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As we all know, Helene has already become the costliest (and probably even deadliest) tropical cyclone in the southeastern United States altogether. Most of the damage has been done in Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina, which already makes me believe that South Carolina would fall in second place in terms of damage (which it already has in fatalities). It would also make logical sense anyway to have effects articles for all the states in the southeast, as all have been hit extremely hard. Tennessee doesn't really deserve an article as the damage isn't nearly as great as surrounding states. Once there is a known damage value (if greater than $5 billion USD), I will start creating a draft. Iseriously (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iseriously The South Carolina subsection of this article (as of right now) is similar in size to the other states' subsections. I'd suggest expanding the South Carolina subsection first, and only spinning off a separate effects article if the information you find makes it too large. JayTee⛈️ 17:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not if the SC section can be expanded upon here still without overcrowding its portion of the article. Not every storm with a subarticle for its impacts in one state has a subarticle for every other state it's impacted. JayTee⛈️ 05:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iseriously For the third time, the section on SC in this article is not very large and could be expanded upon fairly easily. Use your sources to expand this part of the article, that's more constructive than making a new subarticle before this section has outgrown itself. JayTee⛈️ 03:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just chiming in, that image doesn't enhance the article because it's not like it's a specific image made to demonstrate what happened with Helene. It's just the information from NCDC, which, as Drdpw mentioned, that info could just be integrated, rather than having a big clunky image. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is an interactive image though including information on every death in that county. I still do not see how information on every death “does not enhanced” the article. Like I stated above, several other articles have the interactive image/PDFs of government reports. I’m trying to understand the policy reason behind how it does not enhanced the article, unless this is more of a I don’t like it-argument (which could be valid if consensus hates the including of it). That is why I started this discussion, to see if this needs to be truly discussed or if there was some policy-reasoning that was against the use of interactive images like that. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page)19:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since the image is just text, then there are accessibility problems with people reading the image (like people who are blind, or translators). Also, that's needlessly specific for having information for every death in the county. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have a pretty fat monitor and around 20/20 vision and I still have to strain my eyes to see it. It is also a rather complicated image and I'm really not sure how to work it, forget about a slightly below average reader. ✶Quxyz✶22:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note, I am viewing it through Commons, not sure how it looks in the article (though it is probably worse due to size restraints). ✶Quxyz✶22:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The NCEI climate report for January has just released, and it includes an estimate for the damage caused by Helene. The estimate is 78.7 billion dollars, which is quite a bit lower than what's currently on the page. However, the summary also notes that "additional information is currently being assembled that summarizes the vast scope of damage produced by Helene" which seems to suggest that this is a preliminary estimate. Should we replace the currently listed damage in the article, or should we wait until we get a final amount? Thoughts? MCRPY22 (talk) 17:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given that this is the first official estimate, I think we should list it as: "≥$78.7 billion", with a note that it is a preliminary estimate. It is better than what we have now, which was a hodgepodge of unofficial estimates state-by-state that may or may not have been the most accurate. We'll get a better estimate when Helene's TCR comes out, but I would much rather have something like this. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I looked into the matter further, and while the 78.7 billion estimate may still rise, it appears the main reason for the large difference is a major error in the state-by-state storm damage totals. Damage in South Carolina is currently listed at 30-47 billion dollars. Carefully reading the source however shows that this estimate was for property damage in the southeast US in general, not for total damage in South Carolina. I really wish I had spotted this sooner, because I've seen the estimate shared around a lot now. I will make the adjustments to the page. MCRPY22 (talk) 21:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Done Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 20:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
