Talk:Helsinki metropolitan area

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I merged Helsinki Metropolitan Area into this, and reworded a lot of the article. (I was also going to merge in the articles with Finnish names like Pääkaupunkiseutu and Suur-Helsinki, but someone had already done that, which was nice.)

Some justification to this:

The terms "Helsinki metropolitan area", "Greater Helsinki", "Helsinki region", etc. are not that well-defined. In fact, they are often all used interchangeably, and sometimes each with more specific, albeit varying meanings. This is the case also with the Finnish terms such as "Pääkaupunkiseutu" and "Helsingin seutu".

Also, consider this: there is only one article on many of the lot bigger metropolitan areas, such as Chicagoland or Greater Los Angeles, etc. The Helsinki area with around one million people is, after all, relatively small for a metropolitan area. Having several articles makes things unnecessarily complicated, and may actually misrepresent the reality.

So, I think it is clearest to have one article where we try to explain the most common conceptions of the Helsinki region. --Jonik 12:12, 9 October 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Why are the homeless statistics constantly being removed? Hey, this is interesting. I just saw this article in the Helsinginsanomat.

0.5% of the population in Helsinki area is homeless. http://www2.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/archive/news.asp?id=20000815xx5

Helsinki Metropolitan area(area=2,970.6 sq km) has about 6127 homeless. (6,127)/(1,232,595)= 0.50% http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Helsinki_metropolitan_area

Earlier this year, the Los Angeles County-wide homeless count was conducted. The overall county number was released this past June. (The number was 91,000 people who are homeless.) LA County has a population of 10,179,716 (area= 10,517 sq km) 91,000/10,179,716= 0.89% http://homelesscount.lahsa.org/

The Los Angeles Metropolitan area is not the same as LA County, it includes 3 counties and the total population is 17,545,623. Area 87,972 sq km. --Lebite 00:17, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Since when is Sipoo part of Greater Helsinki? It isn't even in the same region (maakunta, landskap)! From what I've heard of Finnish newspapers, Sipooans want to stay separate from the capital region. Why not include Porvoo as well while you're at it? If you ask someone from Northern Savo, Kainuu, or Lapland, I don't think they can make much difference between Helsinki and Porvoo. JIP | Talk 19:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of metropolitan area - official?

Just how 'official' is the wider, 12-municipality definition of the metropolitan area? Is it used in official statistics from Statistics Finland? Is it used by any local planning authority? The article just mention it as commonly recognized and 'not completely established'. --Pjred (talk) 07:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Same question... I see that in the 2005 amendment to the Real Estate Act also Mäntsälä and Pornainen are included, making it 14 municipalities 130.233.136.69 (talk) 08:45, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added Mäntsälä to statistics and updated other demographic information. In my opinion, there is no general definition of greater Helsinki area. Anyway, if Hyvinkää is counted I can see no reason not to count Mäntsälä. Both are semi-urban areas with urban centres connected to Helsinki by commuter train and with lot of commuting inhabitants. Also, the distance to Helsinki centre is approximately the same. Pornainen is more rural. Also Porvoo is semi-urban with an urban centre and lot of commuting inhabitants, but for some reason it is never counted as a greater Helsinki municipality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.240.124.69 (talk) 14:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Helsinki sub-region, Helsinki metropolitan area and Helsinki capital area

I suggest that we synchronize the articles to match the administrative or statistical definitions in use in Finland. At the same time, titles and concepts could be unified and separated at the same time. I propose the following hierarchy:

Helsinki capital area (pääkaupunkiseutu): Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa, Kauniainen
Helsinki metropolitan area (Helsingin seutu): Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa, Kauniainen + Hyvinkää, Järvenpää, Kerava, Kirkkonummi, Mäntsälä, Nurmijärvi, Pornainen, Sipoo, Tuusula, Vihti
Helsinki sub-region (Helsingin seutukunta): Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa, Kauniainen + Hyvinkää, Järvenpää, Kerava, Kirkkonummi, Mäntsälä, Nurmijärvi, Pornainen, Sipoo, Tuusula, Vihti + Karkkila, Lohja, Siuntio

In my opinion, Greater Helsinki is not much in use, and a more appropriate and internationally comparable name for it would be Helsinki metropolitan area. Peltimikko (talk) 00:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus – robertsky (talk) 11:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greater Helsinki → Helsinki metropolitan area – 1. Some guidelines in WP:NCGN, but specifically "metropolitan" in the USA guidelines: WP:USPLACE. 2. Helsinki metropolitan area is by far the most popular way to describe the larger urban area surrounding a large city. In Europe, for example, only a few articles use the word "greater" to describe a metropolitan area. 3. In the Anglo-Saxon language, Greater Helsinki can be sometimes used, but on official (Finnish municipality) websites this form is only the third most used. Much more popular are Helsinki metropolitan area and sometimes Helsinki region. For example, Finnish language documents never use the term "Suur-" (Greater), but either "pääkaupunkiseutu" (Capital region) or "Helsingin seutu" (Helsinki region). Peltimikko (talk) 11:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 01:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm against this. Since this article is about the whole "Helsingin seutu"(Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa, Kauniainen, Hyvinkää, Järvenpää, Kerava, Kirkkonummi, Nurmijärvi, Sipoo, Tuusula, Vihti, Mäntsälä and Pornainen.), which is different from "Pääkaupunkiseutu"(only Helsinki, Espoo, Vantaa and Kauniainen). Helsinki itself uses the term "Greater Helsinki" for "Helsingin seutu" and "Helsinki Metropolitan Area" for "Pääkaupunkiseutu" 2001:999:609:5F0:77C1:B907:1EC:ECD8 (talk) 13:57, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tentative support as it seems there is precedence established, but the commenter above seems to bring up a fair point. Pdubs.94 (talk) 05:28, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nominator. The same article seems to be called "Helsingin seutu" ("Helsinki region") in Finnish and "Huvudstadsregionen" ("Capital region") in Swedish. "Greater Helsinki" seems to be an Anglophone invention. JIP | Talk 13:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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