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Merging Red Gyarados into Gyarados

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I'm proposing that we merge Red Gyarados into this article. Does Red Gyarados really need its own article? It's just a shiny Gyarados, which is perhaps a little more notable than other Gyarados, but anything about Red Gyarados could easily be mentioned in the Gyarados article. --Brandon Dilbeck 17:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Voting, schmoting, let's just merge it. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that there will be any opposition to this. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 05:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Great. I wasn't suggesting that we vote; I just don't want to spearhead this myself. I hate Gyarados. --Brandon Dilbeck 05:57, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Look in the bioligcal carachteristics.-Fear teh Happy! 00:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A post from September 2006...—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gyre in Gyarados

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Gyarados's name might come from the word gyre, too. --Riley the Kirlia 23:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No - Gyarados isn't known for circling, whirling, or controlling ocean currents, he's known for being the Tarasque of the Pokémon world. -Jeske (v^_^v) 01:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, in the anime, in the first episode it appeared in, when it was preparing to use its Dragon Rage attack against Ash and Co. and Team Rocket, the four Gyarados were moving in a circular pattern, drawing water towards them. Now, this animation may be a variation of the Whirlpool attack, which wasn't a known attack until the 2nd generation games. That episode could give the impression that Gyarados can control the ocean currents, as evidence from that Whirlpool they created, but it is unknown as to whether or not that was all a part of the Dragon Rage attack they were preparing to use. But aside from that episode, there hasn't been any other evidence to suggest that Gyarados possess this ability. Most likely, as the user in the comment directly below states that the name is a direct translation from the Japanese name, I doubt that Gyarados got its Japanese name from "Gyre," which of course is an English word. Saying anything else would be speculation. ––Ksy92003(talk) 21:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ksy, there have been Pokemon with Japanese names gotten from English (Buoysel and Flowsel come to mind, as does Perap). -Jeske (v^_^v) 21:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not saying that it's impossible for that to happen, but Gyre is a word that not that many people use here, in America. The only time I've even heard a variation of this word is when I heard Gyrating on a TV show, and I'm not sure if that comes from the root Gyre. The reason I don't think Gyre gives Gyarados its prefix is because there has only been one instance in the anime where there was even a tiny bit of evidence to support that Gyre does give Gyarados its prefix, and even that evidence could be controversial.
And as far as the three examples you gave, Jeske, I noticed that Chatot/Perap is completely different in both languages. Floatzel/Flowsel have minor differences in their prefixes, but come from different roots, nonetheless. I'm not sure about Buizel/Buoysel; I assume they both come from buoy, but I can't even pronounce the English variation. In other words, there might be some differences with this case for Gyarados because the name is a direct translation from it's Japanese romanization, whereas the aforementioned three have had a change, minor or not, from the translation. I'm not sure if this would be a contributing factor in determining the origin of Gyarados' name. My guess would just be that it is a portmanteau of two Japanese words. I do think that the Dos could've been kept because it is the second stage of the family (Stage 1), but I don't think that's where it came from in the Japanese translation. ––Ksy92003(talk) 21:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There is no change in pronunciation between Buizel/Buoysel. If Chatot isn't a good example, how about Crecelia? -Jeske (v^_^v) 21:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I get it. I guess I just wasn't thinking when I left that comment. But irregardless of the English/Japanese translations, based on lack of circumstantial evidence from the anime, Iwould stull have to say that there isn't a good enough case to prove that Gyre gives way to Gyarados. ––Ksy92003(talk) 21:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dos?

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Is there really any reason to believe that the "dos" in its name comes from Spanish for "two"? Gyarados is one of the few Pokemon whose name was not changed from its original Japanese name, so it makes the whole "dos" thing seem even less convincing. Sure, I don't have any real evidence against it, but seeing as this is an encyclopedia and all, it makes much more sense to omit a theory like this one.

No no no no... It's just meant to strike terror or something... But it's not meant as a pun for the word two... And sign your name... Angry Sun 19:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Gyarados" is a direct transliteration from Japanese; this theory has no merit. -Jeske (v^_^v) 19:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe I should have been more clear. My post was in reference to this sentence in the article: "The dos may just indicate that it's the second in its evolutionary line." I was actually trying to argue against it, not for it. Reading past the first sentence of my paragraph is hopefully enough evidence of that. Also, I apologize for not signing. --Shroom Mage 08:23, 12 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Mega category

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@(Oinkers42): I noticed that you added Category:Pokémon with Mega Evolutions. Wouldn't this allow other redirects to be added to this category? Or is it a special case because the target is about the duo/family? Tagging Cukie Gherkin since you created it, and Kung Fu Man, which is the most involved contributor I guess. Web-julio (talk) 07:00, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I put it in because of WP:INCOMPATIBLE, which has it so that when an article covers two separate topics, the categories on the main article must apply to both topics. Any categories that only apply to one of the topics should be placed on the redirect that is most appropriate. It is pretty much the special case that you described. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So what to do with Mega Gyarados then? Web-julio (talk) 04:45, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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