Talk:Gajapati dynasty

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Discussions:

Not moved, 26 April 2024, to Gajapatis of Orissa, see discussion.
Not moved, 13 May 2024, see discussion.
Moved, 26 October 2024, from Gajapati Empire to Gajapati dynasty, see discussion.

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History Section

I have added History and other contributions of Gajapati rulers of Orissa, as there History was not mentioned. Request moderator of this WP to review it, make appropriate corrections.

Best Wishes, Indianprithvi (talk) 06:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 26 April 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 15:32, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gajapati Empire → Gajapatis of Orissa – According to the Ngram, Gajapatis of Orissa is widely used than "Gajapati Empire" or "Gajapati Kingdom" [1]. Another thing to be noted is that not much WP:RS calls the kingdom by the name "Empire", but Gajapatis itself. Imperial ^[AFCND] 09:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, As In History and Culture of Indian People by R.C Majumdar uses the word Empire for its designation Rawn3012 (talk) 18:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Majumdar's statement is not alone the factor that decides the title. Commonly used per Ngram is "Gajapatis of Orissa".--Imperial ^[AFCND] 19:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ImperialAficionado, Most of the historians used the suffix of Empire for denoting Gajapti, hence the title of Gajapati Empire is correct. We cannot change the title or identity of a state just due to Ngram

See WP: Rs for the name setting

Mishra, Patit Paban (11 January 2016). "Eastern Ganga and Gajapati empires".

History and Culture of Indian People Volume 6

History of Medival India by Satish Chandra Rawn3012 (talk) 11:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Better if it'd be renamed as Gajapati Kingdom per recent Ngram searches as it is widely used rather than Gajapatis of Orrisa or Gajapati Empire.

Based Kashmiri (talk) 09:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Smoothened view of Ngram [2] leads "Gajapatis of Orissa". Imperial ^[AFCND] 10:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nuh uh, Smoothened view of recent Ngram searches widely used Gajapati Kingdom rather than Gajapatis of Orrisa or Gajapati Empire.Based Kashmiri (talk) 10:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am okay with either "Gajapatis of Orissa" or "Gajapati Kingdom". Incase of case sensitive, Gajapatis of Orissa only have an Ngram. Imperial ^[AFCND] 10:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Based Kashmiri@ImperialAficionado I think you guys know the difference between Kingdom and an empire just because of Ngram. You can't destroy the imperial historicity of a power. It would be better to use Gajapati Empire only. User:Rawn3012|Rawn3012]] (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about? You just voted to oppose the name "Gajapatis of Orissa", and now you're saying "It would be better to use Gajapatis of Orissa". Based Kashmiri (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now you edited (1) "Gajapatis of orissa" to "Gajapati empire". Based Kashmiri (talk) 13:15, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you saw an old edit, I mistyped it. Have corrected too. Rawn3012 (talk) 13:16, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok Based Kashmiri (talk) 13:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PRECISE, article titles are supposed to be unambiguous, the proposed change would make the title more ambiguous not less. // Timothy :: talk 08:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 13 May 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 05:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gajapati Empire → ? – Gajapati dynasty and Gajapati Kingdom are the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NPOV. Besides it seems to be a trend in India-related history articles for everything to be "empires", which obviously not right and problematic. Source per ngram [3]. PadFoot2008 16:18, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move: (Nominator support). Also pinging @ImperialAficionado and @Based Kashmiri. PadFoot2008 16:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since you pinged me you should also ping the other users who voted earlier here (1)

Pinging @Rawn3012 & @TimothyBlue. Based Kashmiri (talk) 16:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, @PadFoot2008 I think you guys have to provide WP: RS for your new name suggestion else it may not be considered. Rawn3012 (talk) 16:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now. I think the nom should provide a source evaluation.

// Timothy :: talk 16:49, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TimothyBlue and @Based Kashmiri, Look at this ngram [4]. The Gajapati Empire has extremely low usage compared to the Gajapatis and Gajapati dynasty. PadFoot2008 05:31, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as per above comments. Based Kashmiri (talk) 17:00, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Ro444 Rawn3012 (talk) 03:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 26 October 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frost 16:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gajapati Empire → Gajapati dynasty – Per WP:COMMONNAME (See ngram). Gajapati dynasty is the clear common name here. "Gajapati Empire" gives only 600 hits on Google Books, while "Gajapati dynasty" gives 2,180 hits. PadFoot (talk) 12:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Flemmish Nietzsche, @AirshipJungleman29 for their opinions. PadFoot (talk) 12:42, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support makes sense. Would also support the previous suggestion "Gajapatis of Orissa" as it looks to have usage somewhat on par with "dynasty" (ngram; used in academic sources I checked) while also clearly describing both the polity and people who ruled it. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 08:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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