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On 14 December 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Freeman on the land to Freeman on the land movement. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Canada-centric?[edit]

As a casual wanderer into this article, it seems to me very focused on Canada. I did a bit of restructuring which makes more sense to me, and to try to clarify which bits were only referring to Canada. I hope this makes sense to others, but I'm sure others will re-edit accordingly if I've gone wrong somewhere. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Laterthanyouthink, Canada seems to have the best developed jurisprudence about OPCA litigants. That is probably why there's a lot about Canada here. Guy (help! - typo?) 10:38, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Guy, thanks. I thought this must be the case... But presumably there's some more history and background that could be dug up for the UK? A quick Google tells me that it's a more recent phenomenon in Australia, but it's also a thing in Ireland and New Zealand (and I also saw mention of some litigation in all of those). Also, re freemen in the UK, perhaps could contain a bit of explanation re some of the different terms (see Freeman DAB page - and as a side-issue, have just found that neither that page nor the Burgess DAB page seem to cover this use of the word... But I must not get side-tracked again!). I might get back to this article, if my curiosity overcomes my good sense, to fill in a bit more Aus stuff at some point, but I really don't have the time to dig deeper just now. :-) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:51, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Laterthanyouthink: I added elements pertaining to several other countries. Psychloppos (talk) 09:07, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 14 December 2022[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Freeman on the land → Freeman on the land movement Consistency with Sovereign citizen movement and Redemption movement. I think it would be better if the title made it clear that this is about a movement, which is not immediately understandable by people who have never heard of the subject. Psychloppos (talk) 20:44, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

support per nom—blindlynx 21:47, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Consistency in titles is important, but its also needed just from the perspective that 'freeman on the land' is not a real thing, while the movement behind the ficticious concept does exist. --WhoIs 127.0.0.1 ping/loopback 14:05, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral - while it does seem to be how the topic is referenced in reliable sources, "movement" implies that Freemen on the land are a connected group working towards a common objective, when in reality the individuals who espouse these beliefs are "loosely connected" by having been duped by a small group of con artists selling legal fictions for profit; they're not "loosely connected" by any particular cause nor call to action, nor do they generally work together in any way. I don't oppose the change but I don't like the word. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:55, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ivanvector: clearly, "movement" is meant here in the loosest sense of the word. The sovereign citizen movement isn't one coherent organization, either. It's a collection of people sharing a set of beliefs, and often following the teachings of some specific leaders ("gurus"). Said leaders may or may not work together on occasions : that was the case, for example, of the original freeman of the land gurus who appeared together at seminars, which indicates some degree of cooperation between them. Psychloppos (talk) 16:11, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Clarity and consistency are good things.~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 15:02, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Shwcz (talk) 00:36, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:25, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.