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This page needs to be moved to a "List of ..." title, but what is it a list of? Srnec (talk) 18:10, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

wilhelm hintersatz

Harun el Raschid-Hintersatz - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=79369

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=79369 Axis History Forum Apr 30, 2006 - Harun el Raschid-Hintersatz. Postby Requin Marteau » 09 Jun 2005 08:12. Bonjour, Research infos on Harun el Raschid-Hintersatz Wilhelm? Thierry. Top ... Ottomans and Allies decorated with the TWM http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=198799 3-May-13 Wilhelm Harun-el-Raschid-Hintersatz http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=23803 10-Mar-07 German Muslims in Wehrmacht? http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=89080 2-Nov-05 Orden der weissen Rose von Finnland http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=76536 28-Apr-05

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https://pl.wikipedia.org/.../Wilhelm_... Translate this page https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Hintersatz&prev=search Polish Wikipedia Wilhelm Hintersatz (ur. 26 maja 1886 w Seftenbergu, zm. 29 marca 1963) – niemiecki wojskowy, pisarz, specjalista do spraw tureckich, oficer Waffen-SS, ...

SS-Standartenführer Wilhelm Harun El-Raschid Hintersatz ... http://alifrafikkhan.blogspot.com/2009/08/ss-standartenfuhrer-wilhelm-harun-el.html

alifrafikkhan.blogspot.com/.../ss-standartenfuhrer-wilh... Translate this page https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=id&u=http://alifrafikkhan.blogspot.com/2009/08/ss-standartenfuhrer-wilhelm-harun-el.html&prev=search Aug 10, 2009 - Wilhelm Hintersatz dilahirkan tanggal 26 Mei 1886 dari keluarga yang beragama Katolik. Dia bertugas di Kaiserliche dan Königliche Armee ...

Osttürkischer Waffen-Verband der SS - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukPVmrTjKCE

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Harun-el-Raschid Hintersatz: Finnish Muslim - Northern ... http://gmic.co.uk/topic/8453-harun-el-raschid-hintersatz-finnish-muslim/

gmic.co.uk › European States › Northern European & Baltic States May 14, 2006 - Wilhelm HINTERSATZ, born 26 May 1886. a career ... He then changed his name to Wilhelm "Harun-el-Raschid-Hintersatz." He served as a ...

Wilhelm Hintersatz (biographical details) - cosmos http://cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/db.php?auid=33349

cosmos.ucc.ie/cs1064/jabowen/IPSC/php/db.php?auid=33349 Wilhelm Hintersatz (1886-1963) was, according to different sources, an Austrian or German (the confusion may derive from te fact that he was born in ...

SS - Standartenführer Wilhelm Hintersatz / Kama - Archiv des ... http://forumarchiv.balsi.de/ss/236326.html

forumarchiv.balsi.de/ss/236326.html Translate this page https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://forumarchiv.balsi.de/ss/236326.html&prev=search May 9, 2005 - 5 posts - ‎3 authors Standartenführer Wilhelm Hintersatz mitteilen . Ist sein Geburtsort Senftenberg identisch mit Senftenberg in der Niederlausitz oder Senftenberg ...

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www.warrelics.eu › ... › SS Uniforms and insignia Feb 7, 2014 - Born as Wilhelm Hintersatz in 1886, this Prussian officer had served with Osman troops during WWI and converted to Islam in 1919, taking on ...

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Harun el Raschid-Hintersatz - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=79369

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=79369 Axis History Forum Harun el Raschid-Hintersatz. Postby Requin Marteau » 09 Jun 2005 08:12. Bonjour, Research infos on Harun el Raschid-Hintersatz Wilhelm? Thierry. Top ...

Wilhelm Harun-el-Raschid-Hintersatz - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=23803

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=23803 Axis History Forum I search the death date & place of the SS-Standartenführer Wilhelm Harun-el-Raschid-Hintersatz. Thanks AnDie. Top. User avatar. AlifRafikKhan: Member ...

Ottomans and Allies decorated with the TWM - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=198799

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=198799 Axis History Forum May 3, 2013 - German Nurse (she also has Turkish Red Crescent Medal) 2. Captain Willy Rohr 3. Captain Wilhelm Hintersatz 4. U-Boots-Flottille-Mittelmeer

AZERIS IN WEHRMACHT,SS and others Unit - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=142382

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=142382 Axis History Forum Aug 5, 2008 - 01.10.44 - Waffen-Standartenführer Wilhelm Hintersatz 31.12.44 - SS-Sturmbannführer Josef Fürst SS Waffengruppe „Aserbeidschan” Formed ...

German Muslims in Wehrmacht? - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=89080

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=89080 Axis History Forum Nov 2, 2005 - Wilhelm Hintersatz was born 26. 06. 1886 in Senftenberg. In 1 ww served as instructor in Turkish army . There also accepted Mussulman faith ...

German Veterans Converted To Islam - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=152890

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=152890 Axis History Forum May 9, 2009 - Wilhelm Hintersatz (Harun-el-Raschid Bey, 1886-1963), achieved the rank of colonel serving the Kaiser's Austrian armed forces in Turkey, ...

Karl von Krempler - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=34666

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=34666 Axis History Forum Oct 27, 2003 - Harun al Raschid was nickname an Ss-Standartenführer Wilhelm Hintersatz, born 26.06.1886 r. in Senftenberg. Hintersatz was German and ...

Orden der weissen Rose von Finnland - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=76536

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=76536 Axis History Forum Apr 28, 2005 - Generalfeldmarschall WILHELM KEITEL (Grosskreuz mit Schwertern und Bruststern: 00.00.1942) ... SS STAF Wilhelm HINTERSATZ

OoB & COs of Osttürkischen & Kaukasischen SS-Waffenv - Axis ... http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=115155

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=115155 Axis History Forum Jan 29, 2007 - Wilhelm Hintersatz. Was taken post in 30.12.1944 after mass desertion of soldiers from Waffengruppe "Krim” under W-Ostuf. Gulam Alimov to ...

SS-Standartenführer F-H - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=43307

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forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=94210 Axis History Forum Jan 23, 2006 - Kommandeur - W-Staf Wilhelm, Harun el Raschid Hintersatz I a - SS-Stubaf d.R. Heinrich Hugo born 5 Oct 1893 seniority 18 Jan 1945

Full German Officers Name in Ottoman Army.. - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=107127

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Muslims and the Reich - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=180020

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Caucasus formations - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=43387

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=43387 Axis History Forum Feb 17, 2004 - Ostturkischer Waffenverband kdr : Harund al Rachid/Hintersatz Wilhelm SS Waffengruppe Idel Ural SS Waffengruppe Turkestan (Mayer Mader)

Turkish officers with iron crosses - Page 9 - Axis History Forum http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=105327&start=120

forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=105327... Axis History Forum Jun 13, 2011 - "At Galizia Wilhelm II inspected our troops. I was surely with Enver Pasha. .... Wilhelm Harun el Raschid-Hintersatz he he was adjutant of Enver ...

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forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=161490... Axis History Forum Apr 1, 2010 - ... Hellmuth von Pannwitz, Hans-Adolf Pruetzmann, Ernst Koestring, Oskar Ritter von Niedemayer, Theodore Oberlander, Wilhelm Hintersatz ...

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forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=27262... Axis History Forum Jul 23, 2003 - Hi, I don't know him, is he like Harun-El Raschid (HINTERSATZ, Wilhelm) born 26/05/1886) a german being muslin. Could you tell me his ...

Nothing but twitter tweets as sources...Really?

Isn't there some kind of consensus that facebook, twitter, and other comments on the internet from random people (not counting official press statements given via social media) are unreliable sources? Literally anyone can write anything, some things can even be bot-made! This article certainly needs reliable sources (ex, archives, books, national museum websites...literally almost anything better than twitter)--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 20:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

New title

The title isn't great. It's inaccurate, because the article includes Arab volunteers who don't fall into one of the four listed ethnic groups. And "collaborationism" seems POV to me. Any objections if I move it to "Foreign volunteers in the Wermacht"? --Cerebellum (talk) 01:29, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done --Cerebellum (talk) 01:14, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

It should be Foreign volunteers in the Wehrmacht. But this is already redirect to Wehrmacht foreign volunteers and conscripts. So maybe merge there? --Silesianus (talk) 20:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

• Merge same topic. The distinction between volunteers and conscripts was somewhat fuzzy at the time. (t · c) buidhe 08:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
• Merge, per buidhe. I also see no reason why Western European "volunteer" units should be dealt with in this article, especially since their "choice" was far freer than for most of the groups currently detailed. —Brigade Piron (talk) 15:00, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  I believe we should have an umbrella article covering both voluntary and conscript service, with an explanation of how voluntary it may have been for different individuals. (t · c) buidhe 18:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

  Buidhe, I agree, and there may be some scope for dealing with "Allied" armies such as Croatia and Slovakia which were part of the German Army in all but name. This is the approach taken in, amongst others, Joining Hitler's Crusade: European Nations and the Invasion of the Soviet Union, 1941 and The Unknown Eastern Front: The Wehrmacht and Hitler's Foreign Soldiers. I'd also add that I really don't link the current list form, which risks being WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Some (most?) of the units listed were tiny, and a deceptive impression is provided by their current presentation. At a push, it might be necessary to create a separate article after the merger called German recruitment in the Soviet Union to mop up some of the minor contingents here. —Brigade Piron (talk) 08:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

  I was wondering whether Waffen-SS foreign volunteers and conscripts should be folded in too, given that most of the Wehrmacht contingents eventually migrated to the Waffen SS? —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:58, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if this would be a good idea since many units were Waffen-SS from the start. --K.e.coffman (talk) 00:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

K.e.coffman, I appreciate that but there were also variations on the theme, such as the Flemish Legion which originated as an "affiliated" SS formation and became part of the Waffen-SS only in 1943. I don't think the distinction is particularly significant historically - pretty much all foreign units had become SS by the end of the war and there is only really scope to discuss the reasons for this in a joint article. Equally, it would allow the similar tensions between foreign enlistment and Nazi racial theory to be discussed. —Brigade Piron (talk) 13:54, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

• I also note that there is a 4th article covering the same ground in Non-Germans in the German armed forces during World War II. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

• Merge per Buidhe (I checked everything before !voting ke.coffman, so don't even think about it chap) - GizzyCatBella🍁 06:37, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
• Merge  Yes, the four separate pages is chaotic. It would be better as one, with an included or separate list of formations and units. —Michael Z. 16:36, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
• Merge per buidhe Aeengath (talk) 08:24, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 08:57, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

"Sonderverband Graukopf" missing

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