Talk:Flag of Syria/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Symbolism

As I know the green color in the Syrian flag represents what is called "Rashidun" era or the era of the first four Caliphs in Islam.--HyPerr 15:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

French article

The French version of this article now contains info which could be used to improve this... AnonMoos 16:30, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR

Don't feel like reverting at this date, but the previous wholesale change to British spellings violates Wikipedia policies... AnonMoos (talk) 16:10, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

The NTC

Flag of Libya, 1969-1972

AnonMoos removed my mention that the former flag of the kingdom of Libya is now being used by the NTC. What did I do wrong? --The Colonel (talk) 15:06, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Because the sentence as originally written wasn't referring to the 1951 flag, the 1977 flag, or the 2011 flag, but rather to the 1969 flag. AnonMoos (talk) 22:00, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

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From Some to Many

The 2011 Syrian Uprising anti-government protesters who uses the pre-1963 three star flag has increased such that the opposition has used this flag as their main flag just like the Libyan protesters. The word some has changed into many. 60.49.63.145 (talk) 08:34, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Flag adding

File:Map of the Syrian Uprising- June (Final).gif

Situation in Syria as of June 2012 (Note: this map does not contain the situation in Syria's eastern parts, due to lack of verified information. However, it has been reported that 90% of Deir ez-Zor Governorate and it's main city are in rebel control as of 24 July 2012)

Please, stop adding this rebbel flag as it is not, I repeat, it is not flag of Syria. It's flag of Syrian National Council, some sort of unrecognized government and not flag of the country. Laws of Libya... hm. What laws? Why any country should make a law on flag of other country? Why?! Even if that is true what you are saying, and it's not, all other countries have "laws" that don't agree with this silly Libyan "law", which doesn't exist. --Wustenfuchs 00:48, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

It does actually exist and the references show that the Syrian independence flag flies at the Syrian embassies of the respective countries. You are vandalizing this article, deleting several references that shed light upon an on going evident; I will leave it to another editor to revert or re-add for now. Sans culottes 00:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

It exists? Tell me, which article of wihich law? Maybe Article 5 of the Law on Other Nations Flags? Let's say that law exists, why in the world would Syrians use a flag that Libyans made it legal? Where in the world other country makes laws for other countries? I erased several references, as they are not connected to flag of Syria, but the flag of the Syrian National Council, an unrecognized government. Even the Syrian National Council didn't made law on state flag, so they have no country - no flag. They are rebbels. I'm not vandalizing anything, you are pushing your POV into the article. --Wustenfuchs 01:05, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

They are recognized by Libya, so right off the bat you are wrong. And most of the Syrian people who live in a totalitarian one party state recognize them also. You are literally so ignorant I can't even talk to you. Sans culottes 01:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Most of the Syrian people? Excuse moi. You are making false statement, and beyond everything, a disputed statement, and it's clearly you are also making the WP:OR, the original research, on which you base your claim that the green-white-black flag is actually flag of the country named Syria. No. To make a flag national, you need a law for that, but there isn't one. This law must be, I repeat, it must be Syrian law. If you don't have that, you don't have anything. --Wustenfuchs 03:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

For anyone reading this, this is the exact reason the Independence flag needs to be included. Wustenfuchs cannot make the claim that any given number of Syrians recognize the Ba'athist regime flag. Similarly, he ignores facts when he does not like them; i.e. Libya recognizes the Syrian opposition, and therefore this flag which flies at the Syrian embassy in Libya, for which specific references were provided. Also, hilariously I might add, is the reason a law hasn't been made to change this flag yet—because Syria under Assad is a totalitarian dictatorship where political change or democratic processes are impossible. Hence the civil war (which I'm sure Wustenfuchs would claim isn't even happening), which will sooner than later force Assad form power. Sans culottes 04:36, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

By saying Syrian, I also ment the Syrian National Council. They have governmental flag, but they don't have a country flag. I hope you understand. Also, people supporting this and supporting that doesn't say anything. I'm sure that flag look is the last thing on Syrian people's mind. And be assured that majority of Syrians actually supports al-Assad. For example, rebels have only up to 4,000 soldiers in a city of Aleppo (2,5 million population). If they had support of people, they would have much more fighters by now, wouldn't they? Also Syrian election in May '12 is great example who has the support of people. But this is out of discussion. And you probably don't know what the "totalitarian" means, because you contradict your self - in order to establish a totalitarian regime, you must have support of your people. That is what sociologists say afterall. :) --Wustenfuchs 05:09, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually I think you'll find all you need to do is rig the ballot boxes. Or even better, run presidential elections with only one person actually running like Assad does. But anyway that is besides the point, glad to see you admit the relevance of the independence flag. Sans culottes 07:03, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm not talkinga bout the presidential election, I'm talking about the 2012 parliamentary election. The turout was 52%, which means that 52% (though probably even more) Syrians actually supports Assad (there were two coalitions, both anti-rebel; Assad won majority of votes - 60%), those rebel parties boycoted the election, this speaks about their legitemacy among the people, also rebels have very low support even among Sunni Muslims. The independence flag is however, only flag of the Syrian National Council and it's not a flag of the Syrian country, as such it can not enter this article. It fits only in article Syrian National Council or Free Syrian Army, or if you would made the new article named Flag of the Syrian National Council, which is unnecessary. --Wustenfuchs 07:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Another strong reason for not including the rebel flag to the article is that the Army is wining the Battle of Aleppo. So rebels have no control over anything any more. Great advance of the Syrian Army in a decisive battle of Aleppo, two key suburbs under control of the Army. --Wustenfuchs 10:55, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

a) This is the English language wikipedia, not the Croatian one.

b) Every report I have seen indicated either Free Syrian gains with Ba'athist troops being captured en masse (Syrian rebels seize military base outside Aleppo), or that the battle is a stalemate. Also Syria is more than just Aleppo. Sans culottes 16:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

The opposition flag should be included. The country is currently in a civil war which means there are two opposing forces vying for control of the country. In the case of China, there are two different flags for the country. One flag for the mainland People's Republic China and the other for the Republic of China (Taiwan). Neither government recognizes the legitimacy of the other's claim to what it considers all its territory. Also as an aside, the opposition does control territory see the above map.Guest2625 (talk) 21:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

It's not about the territory. I agree to leave both flags there until we don't solve the issue. The problem is next - Syrian National Council didn't adopted this flag. It's only used de facto alongside current flag. So this is a major problem. I know that rebels use this flag during the battle, but the body above them, I'm speaking about the Council, don't, as a matter of fact, they use both flags, current one and the 1932 version. This is the reason why this "independence flag" shouldn't be included into the article. The Syrian National Council never made a procedure to adopt the "independence flag".

To add this also. Comparing situation of Chine with the Syrian one isn't a good idea. Chinas are de iure at war, de facto - not. We have separate articles for both - Flag of the People's Republic of China and Flag of the Republic of China. I also stated it could be possible to create a separate article "Flag of the National Council of Syria" but I think it's unnecessary, it is only necessary to mention the flag and list it in the "History" section, as it is not officialy adopted. Moreover, its use is also disputed. See the reference in the article. --Wustenfuchs 22:56, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

The following image shows the former leader of the SNC with the Syrian independence flag as the flag representing him and his organization [1]. A large number of similar images with the independence flag present during official SNC events can be found. This is enough proof that the SNC's official flag is the independence flag. A similar issue of whether to include two flags during a civil war in the wikipedia flag article arose during the Libyan civil war. The resolution reached at the time was to include both [2]. Guest2625 (talk) 03:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Did you even saw the source that I added? It shows members of the National Council with current flag. --Wustenfuchs 12:25, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I completely oppose the addition of the rebel flag. Rebels are not legal Syria. Case closed. --DanielUmel (talk) 23:01, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

It's nothing to oppose to as rebels don't have a flag. De iure they don't have a flag. They can wave what ever they want, it can be a red, yellow or blue flag, but it's not a country flag. It's eassy to understand this. Syrian National Council never addopted a flag, never. You have no consensus, I only wanted to give a brake, stop an edit warring and let you to show me a strong proof that the SNC has a document, named and sealed, where they proclaim a country flag. You showed no source. I also must say, if you continue edit warring without any source provided, be assured I will report your actions. --Wustenfuchs 00:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

The official government of Syria is the neo-ba'athist government of Bashar al-Assad, and they used the red, white and black flag, and not the greenish one.. The recognised government is still the Assad government, even if everyone is condeming the government, everybody knows the Assad government is the only official government of Syria. --TIAYN (talk) 10:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

TIAYN, it's not just that. Even the SNC doesn't have a flag. So we have two arguments not to add the green flag. --Wustenfuchs 13:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Split infoboxes request

Can someone please make the split infoboxes on this article appear side-by-side like in the "coat of arms of syria" article. Would be much appreciated, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moester101 (talk • contribs) 07:08, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

That is not possible as the NCS didn't regularized the flag as country flag. You must show a source published by the NCS where it states its country flag not flag of te government/organization. You must make a difference between government and a country. I showed a good faith and left the flag until you make a good reason to leave it there, but you made non. Also remember, images aren't sources. You heard of case of Canton 10 in Bosnia and Herzegovina? They also have a de facto flag, a lot of images showing the flag, yet they don't have a de iure flag so they have nothing. Images aren't sources. I also have an image of the NCS with the "Bashar's flags". --Wustenfuchs 14:23, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The SNC has no executive board so how exactly do you expect us to provide you with something like that? However if you want a source which states which flag they use, here goes [3] The SNC uses a Syrian flag from before the Assad dynasty began with Hafez Assad. EllsworthSK (talk) 09:59, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Rather than saying specifically the SNC, for now until the civil war is over, it would be best to simply state that the independence flag is the flag of the Syrian opposition/Free Syrian Army, etc. There are abundant sources for both of these. حرية (talk) 14:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

User:DanielUmel, there are three users here which favor including the opposition flag, which is fully relevant and referenced. Stop editing warring and unilaterally removing this flag. حرية (talk) 14:12, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Not enough to be consensus --DanielUmel (talk) 14:17, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

You aren't in a position to make a value judgement. The consensus is pretty evenly split, so what is needed is both points of view to be integrated into the article. The point of wikipedia is to add to the article and aid the general user, not to take away from them and make the issue less clear. حرية (talk) 14:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

This is non sense. Admins will decide --DanielUmel (talk) 14:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:CON is nonsense? What a bizzare statement. حرية (talk) 14:24, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Not only you have no consensus but in all logic you are wrong about the flag. --DanielUmel (talk) 14:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Great debating skills! Seriously though, consensus isn't whatever you say it is. Rather, it is formed by users collaborating. حرية (talk) 14:49, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Flag is correct and widely used by an opposition. I provided source about SNC above. As for the rest, I do not see many reasons for why not to do the same thing we did in Flag of Libya during civil war. We added it even before NTC had any executive board. Given that SNC is recognized by one country and semi-recognized by several dozen others who cut their diplomatic relations with Damascus, adhering NPOV including both till situation in Syria stabilize one way or the other fits it. EllsworthSK (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Ellsworth, User:Moester101, User:Guest2625, and several others all agree that this flag should be included. This is WP:CON. حرية (talk) 15:21, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

The flag should be included as being in widespread opposition use (just as the 1951 flag of Libya was included in the "Flag of Libya" article in 2011), but it should not be given an infobox, or presented as an alternative national flag, because right now it doesn't have that status... AnonMoos (talk) 15:46, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, in case of Libya there were two infoboxes with both flags. We even went as far as making two infoboxes in Libya article itself. I do not propose that, however. We are not that far. But in case of flag, havign both sides cannot harm anything or anyone. EllsworthSK (talk) 15:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

There weren't two infoboxes on the Libya article until a fairly late stage, when the rebels started achieving significant international recognition. AnonMoos (talk) 16:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

It has that status in Libya and possibly Tunisia (can't seem to find a source that gives a clear answer on the government there and its recognition of the Syrian regime). But if you feel strongly about the non-inclusion of an info box, what exactly do you suggest? حرية (talk) 15:49, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

What's wrong with saying that the flag is in widespread opposition use, as almost all versions of the article have stated for many months? -- AnonMoos (talk) 16:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Because the general reader will not know which flag the sentence refers to. Lets not play these petty little games where certain things get buried/hidden. I want to assume WP:good faith, so let us compromise. حرية (talk) 16:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

If you defer mention of it until after the 1940s/1961-1963 historical flag is introduced (as I proposed in my past edit to the article), then you won't have that problem. I was the one who uploaded the first version of File:Syria-flag 1932-58 1961-63.svg back in 2006, and vectorized File:Flag of Syria 2011, observed.svg, so obviously I don't hate that flag, but right now it simply does not have legitimate infoboxable status. AnonMoos (talk) 17:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

That is fair enough. And I appreciate both your work with the images and your willingness to actually discuss this matter, unlike certain users. But let me get your proposal straight, you do not object to the article in its current state, i.e. with an image of the independence flag, but not in an info box? Because I think that would satisfy all reasonable editors here, create a stable version of this article, and put this issue to rest until the civil war ends. حرية (talk) 17:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

This is not about what flag the SNC uses, or any other external organization uses. This is about two things: 1) The flag held by ALL Syrian protesters and MOST Syrian opposition organizations is the independence flag. 2) The flag is used in ALL cities under opposition control is the independence flag (with few exceptions in some Kurdish areas). NO cities under opposition control still use the current red-white-black flag. If we are to have said split infobox we should make it clear that it is the flag of ALL opposition, not just SNC or FSA. And it does have legitimacy both inside Syria and outside. Moester101 (talk) 20:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

It's the commonly-used opposition flag, and we can and should include the flag in the article (maybe even include File:Flag of Syria 2011, observed.svg, as on French Wikipedia), and state that it's the commonly-used opposition flag. However, it has no significant internationally-recognized status, and it doesn't seem to be fully clear whether it has even been officially adopted by prominent opposition groupings. I'm not too clear what you mean by "independence flag", but it doesn't seem to equate to official or internationally-recognized status... AnonMoos (talk) 21:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

'Independence flag' is the colloquial name for the green, white and black flag. If you are interested in the term, then read the financial times piece linked as a reference in the Flag of Syria Wikipedia article. Just so we are clear, you are happy with the article as it stands, but you wish to use the File:Flag of Syria 2011, observed.svg image rather than the current File:Syria-flag 1932-58 1961-63.svg? If so, that seems like suitable consensus. حرية 21:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I have made the new, expanded version of the article. In the infobox it would be this, "Ba'athist flag" (I'll call it that way). The "History" section would be devided into four subsections - "Early flag", "Mandate and independence", "Ba'athis flags" and "Civil War". Both those subsections will have flag images, so we can remove this gallery. The "Civil War" section would also include the "independence flag", normaly. Why is so? Because it's flag, even though only de facto, of the SNC. Not even SNC did ever reffered to it as flag of Syria or any other reliable source. Can we agree on this one and make a stabile article? --Wustenfuchs 23:04, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Disagree with Wustenfuchs for a couple of reasons. First there have been too many Syrian flags throughout Syria's short history to have only four sections for its history. Second, we need to keep the gallery as it is because of the fact that there are so many flags, because I have noticed that the current gallery makes it a much more easily comprehensible flow that shows all of Syria's flag in a neat and easy to understand fashion. Third, the way that article is currently organized is actually very good, considering how the history section is relatively short and is quick-to-the-point. In all honesty, I believe the following version is the best one: http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Flag_of_Syria&oldid=505917678 with a few exceptions in its grammar and syntax errors which I would be glad to fix if I could re-post this version of the article once the protection level of the article decreases. Moester101 (talk) 08:18, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Moester, I agree that version is best. But until Aleppo is captured and/or several more countries declare recognition of the SNC, User:AnonMoos has a point regarding WP:WEIGHT (judging by the fact that the regime is begging its only ally left to keep it on life support, you can be sure that will be sooner rather than later). However I'm not exactly sure what User:Wustenfuchs is proposing, and therefore whether or not I agree to it. حرية 09:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

This solution is impobssible, as Syrian oposition doesn't have a flag. Do you know what adoption of flag is? It's a document, a proclamation. You don't have that I believe. There is not a single proof that Syrian oposition (which isn't a government only an organization) adopted this flag. You are one more time making the WP:OR. --Wustenfuchs 15:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

The solution is far, far from impossible Wustenfuchs. Other editors are coming to consensus with AnonMoos, which instantly proves you wrong. Also I didn't even say I disagree with the suggestion you made, just that it didn't seem clear what you meant. Perhaps you could sandbox it as an example. Just because one flag is more widely recognized in a legal context, does not mean that another important flag which at this point represents most of Syria should be excluded totally. No other article on wikipedia works that way, and neither will this one (example: Flag of Northern Ireland features the tricolor of the Republic of Ireland, which obviously has no de jure status there). حرية 16:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd say that the Flag of N. Ireland is great example. The de facto flag used by certain groups doesn't have an infobox or lead. We can agree to that. But it is, however, mentioned that it's used by "nationalists". We can do the same with the rebels. Here is the example [4]. Feel free to make a suggestions though. Also I think, in order to look better, we would need to expand the "Civil war" section. If anyone has an information when the rebels started to use it for the first time, by whom... etcetera. --Wustenfuchs 17:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

That is reasonable compromise for the time being. EllsworthSK (talk) 18:35, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'll try to dig up something about the history of the flag during the civil war... that is when it was used for the first time, by whom and its current legal status and if any other symbol is being used by the SNC or the rebels. --Wustenfuchs 19:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

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Re: User:Wustenfuchs/sandbox -- the flag isn't presented too prominently there, but I've grown a little worried that the name "Independence flag" is is not sourced, and might be Moester101's personal invention (I'm sure that Moester101 is very well-intentioned, but he's slightly too inventive for Wikipedia)... AnonMoos (talk) 20:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, he's right. Those sources I presented in the article really name it Flag of Independence, as it was, as source stated, used when Syria gained independence in 1946. It was also, however, used during the French Mandate, as you may have read in my sandbox. Also, I think I would point out the rebel flag only if I could find more informations about it, but I'm unable to do so... even though I'm trying to find out what's possible. Right now it's mixed with the gallery.... --Wustenfuchs 20:15, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

But referring to 1946 is historical, not necessarily about the current rebel use of the flag. AnonMoos (talk) 20:24, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

No, no. I ment history of its current use, separate from the 1946 flag history. Like I explained above, who started to use it for the first time in 2011 and when. How it became symbol of rebels... etc. --Wustenfuchs 20:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

This source may take care of that problem. EllsworthSK (talk) 20:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thx for the source, does it look ok now? --Wustenfuchs 23:19, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, looks good. EllsworthSK (talk) 08:23, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

"officially adopted by Hashemite family on 30 September 1920 and remained in use until 8 March 1920"

The dates on the 1920 flag section don't seem to make too much sense... AnonMoos (talk) 16:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. --Wüstenfuchs 08:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

History of green-white-balck flag

I was going over the article when I came upon the first sentence in the section "French Mandate and independence (1932—1958, 1961—1963)" I have a few concerns here:
1. The only source provided is in Arabic and thus inappropriate/invalid for this article
2. Upon examination of the source, I found that it is a Syrian government website with news talking about "Assad's reforms" and "fighting the opposition terrorists".......WP:QS anyone?
3. The dates of the flags are inconsistent, how can the so-called "Henri Ponsot" whom we know almost nothing about appoint the flag in 1930, while the flag's actual date of use is supposed to be in 1932?
4. How do we even know if the flag's creation was entirely French-led without any Syrian involvement? The flag was supposedly created for the semi-autonomous "Syrian Republic" after all.
Is anyone else here seeing some Red Flags? I can't believe that such a controversial statement has gone unnoticed for so long, this is clearly a hoax statement. Such a strong statement should have at least 3-4 sources, considering how the Syrian government has tried to use this issue in attempt to make the opposition look like a foreign conspirator. If we don't really know the origins of the flag, then we shouldn't try to create false facts which aren't true. I hope my questions are answered or I'm deleting the statement. Moester101 (talk) 07:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know that it's saying that it was solely a French initiative. However, the 1930 date seems inconsistent with other information. If it was a French-created flag, then it would also be expected to have a blue-white-red tricolor at upper left...

P.S. Given the recognitions extended to the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces, it might be time for a split infobox now -- but only if the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces is known to have officially adopted a flag... AnonMoos (talk) 14:58, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

The 1930 date is correct; it was instated in the constitution signed by the high commissioner in 1930, Henri Ponsot, but that constitution wasn't put into effect until 1932 after a long gruesome negotiations. The constitution was created by the Syrians and the French, but the HC had a veto power over any article he deemed inappropriate, and the constitution was signed by his name. So yes, technically the information is accurate. The flag is obviously a pan-Arab flag, which is a reflection on the increased autonomy in the new constitution.

Furthermore, point no. 1 is irrelevant as foreign language sources are accepted on Wikipedia. You may have a point in that the website is probably not a reliable source (it isn't an official website, though as you stated).

This paragraph from Sami Moubayed's article on the subject could provide more background and NPOV to that section:

"It had been created in 1932 -- during the era of Syria's first democratically elected civilian president, Muhammad Ali al-Abid -- by a parliamentary committee headed by the respected Ibrahim Hananu, one of the leaders of the anti-French revolts in the 1920s, whose name has been immortalized in Syrian history books, even by the Baathists themselves. The colors referred to rulers in Syria's past -- white for the Umayyads, black for the Abbasids, and green for the Rashidun caliphs of Islam."

I think it would be prudent to add the part that it was created by a Syrian parliamentary commission, and effected by the High Commissioner. If only for historical accuracy. Hope this helps. Yazan (talk) 15:40, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Like I mentioned earlier, this is a very sensitive topic that has been used as a propaganda tool by Syrian government to discredit the opposition as foreign conspirators. If we really do know that last bit that Yazan provided, then we need to include it in the flag's history as it is a crucial point to make that section more accurate and neutral. I also agree with Anonmoos' comment about how if the flag was entirely French instituted then it should have had the tricolor on the top-left of the flag. Using this new knowledge I would like to propose the following:
1. We absolutely need to get rid of the "Source" currently provided as it is completely biased BS and not credible/WP:QS
2. We need to add that last bit of info provided by Yazan to make it more accurate and neutral. Hey Yazan, can you find the source for the bit you mentioned about how the flag was drafted by Syrian parliamentarians and then signed by the High Commissioner?
Upon doing this we can clean-up the section and hopefully make it more accurate and neutral. Cheers. Moester101 (talk) 18:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, lol. This Arabic site was created way before the war. So, no, it's not party of propaganda from any of side. Sites in Arabic are alright to be used, though the English language has an advantage. That's all. --Wüstenfuchs 19:28, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

@Wustenfuchs: the site was created in 2010, that's not "way before the war". Second, that doesn't change the fact the site is oozing with pro-Assad news. Biased source is biased no matter how you look at it and can't be used as a reliable source especially pertaining to such a controversial issue, period. Moester101 (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Neither Asad or Syrian intelligence could known what flag are rebels going to use... What are you talking about. The fact about flag adopton is a pure fact. Syria was a French mandate at the time, and Frenchmen made flags as they wanted. --Wüstenfuchs 22:23, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

-Schumann, Christoph. Liberal Thought in the Eastern Mediterranean: Late 19th Century Until the 1960s, p. 204

Ponsot made the Constitution by himslef and previously he dismissed the constituent assembly. --Wüstenfuchs 22:32, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

That's egregious selective quoting and misrepresenting the source, Wüstenfuchs. The source makes it abundantly clear that Ponsot didn't "make the constitution by himself". He dismissed the assembly in February 1929, but France was "forced to back down and approve the constitution" after a few changes that had nothing to do with the flag, and more to do with borders and the article on sovereignty. And "Thus in May 1930 Ponsot issued a decree ratifying the Syrian constitution, including the articles that were in dispute between the Syrian legislators and France." That was the context of the quote.

I think this fits very well with the timeline, and Moubayed's additional commentary on the committee should be added. This is the article in question, and it's already cited in here. Yazan (talk) 02:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Anyway, I've added the information from Schumann and Moubayed to the beginning of the paragraph. I think in that context the Discover-Syria info can be left as it's no longer controversial, and only states some factoids like the text of the article and the exact date. Yazan (talk) 02:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Yazan, my apologies... It seems I was unable to form the whole picture... good job anyway. --Wüstenfuchs 02:32, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

No worries! I'm glad you approve of the additions. I hope it's acceptable to Moester101 too. Yazan (talk) 02:44, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I love the new paragraph! So much more accurate. My only minor comment is if we can find any other source that says what the "Discover-Syria" website was saying, b/c I still don't feel comfortable with that site being sourced b/c I feel like if we give it credibility then someone else might try to source it again. But if we can't find an alternate source to it then I guess I'm okay with it, but only if we never source that site again. Anyways, good job Yazan, my conscience can finally rest in peace. Moester101 (talk) 07:07, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I will try to find more reliable sources for that section. I agree about the "Discover-Syria" website, but not because of any POV they might have, it's just that in general, a website like that can't be expected to be reliable when it comes to such detailed nuances, especially in history. I wouldn't cite in any article I write, unless I absolutely had to. But here, it is used (now) for a very particular purpose, which is to cite the text of the article concerning the flag (all the other info is easily sourced elsewhere), which is fine by me. If it comes up again, in sourcing a controversial statement, it can be easily taken to WP:RSN and discussed there.

I'm glad we were able to find a reasonable solution to this. Thank you both! Cheers! Yazan (talk) 14:34, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I've replaced that source with a more academic one, who also has the benefit of reproducing the decree of 1930 with the whole constitution. I think that constitution also deserves its own article, as it was the first republican constitution in Syria's history. You're both welcome to help! :) Yazan (talk) 04:53, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Great... how about making this article a GA? --Wüstenfuchs 17:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I would love to, but I'm afraid there's hardly enough reliable sources out there for this kind of articles. Yazan (talk) 18:57, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Mandate section

I've deconfused that section somewhat with the help of http://flagspot.net/flags/sy-his.html , but there are still some difficulties -- was the white-crescent-on-blue flag in use until September 1920 or until 1930? And what is the claimed "third flag" of 1930-1932? -- AnonMoos (talk) 18:46, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

There wasn't a third flag. The flag was still that of the Syrian Federation (two horizontal green lines with the French flag in the corner). I think there was also an increased usage of the new flag from the 1930 constitution. Yazan (talk) 18:56, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, but after recent edits there are still some confusing points in the text of the mandate section of the article, such as whether the white-crescent-on-blue flag went out of use in September 1920 or in 1930, and what is meant by the words "third flag" in that section. AnonMoos (talk) 00:32, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Three stars representing the three revolts against the Mandate

The Foreign Policy source claims that three stars represent those three revolts, "according to the 1930 decree", the article says, but, the 1930 decree doesn't have such thing. This means that the source is wrong.

However, reliable source (FOTW, using reliable authors as source) states that those stars represented regions (states) of Syria. --Wüstenfuchs 01:54, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Need evidence that the "National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces" has adopted a flag

I'm not going to edit the article right at the moment, but at this point a second flag infobox can be included if and only if there is some evidence that the "National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces" has adopted a flag. The only citation provided right now is to a December 30, 2011 article; since this was before the coalition existed, it's not satisfactory... AnonMoos (talk) 12:53, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Seeing as the coalition's official website is covered in the flag, that shouldn't be too hard to prove. -- 00:46, 17 December 2012‎ 92.40.254.249

Assembling such proof is a small but necessary step in transitioning this article to two infoboxes. I might get around to trying to do it in a few days. AnonMoos (talk) 19:22, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Native Arabic speakers should cite an appropriate page from the Oppositon coalitions site:[5]. Stating that the opposition "does not have a flag" is a disingenuous lie (not referring to you Anonmoos, you are a goodfaith editor), even if the flag may be de facto rather than de jure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.127.186 (talk) 17:19, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Where does it say that? Flag can not be de fact, because they are using this amblem you can see on the article abou them, so... --Wüstenfuchs 17:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

From Reuters today: [6]. Go away and stop edit warring this article Wustenfuchs, before you get blocked for the 11th time (and you have only just been unblocked by the way).

What this image means? Please explain. --Wüstenfuchs 19:27, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

See the earlier discussion about this here. It was explained why we didn't included the second infobox, and the new compromise for that reason. --Wüstenfuchs 19:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

International recognition circumstances and facts on the ground have changed since the time you are citing. The flag of the Assad regime no longer only represents Syria as you are well aware. The image above from he football game is just another reason why the article needs to include the Independence flag, as it is being actively used to internationally represent Syria. Stop making the article less informative to the reader and stop denying reality. Even Putin who I'm sure a fellow like yourself admires has thrown in the towel in that latter respect :Putin 'not that preoccupied' with fate of Syria's Assad — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.127.186 (talk) 21:07, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Did you even read the link I provided to you? For the sake of compromise, we included the "independence flag" in the special section (use during the Syrian civil war). Do you have any better argument for edit warring and violating the consensus? --Wüstenfuchs 05:39, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

I have neutralized the article I have did the same of. What was did in the libyan situation,when we had Gaddafi's government and the national transitional council and I changed the word syria to Assad's Government and I added the national council and I saw the website of the national coalition and they had the independence flag . Abdo45 (talk) 00:36, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I support Wusten's compromise proposal of including the opposition flag in the civil war section. EkoGraf (talk) 23:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

But EkoGrak,several countries recognized the national coalition as the sole representative of the syrian people,the same wording that the national transitional council of libya got during the libyan civil warAbdo45 (talk) 01:23, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that we should do the same that was done during the libyan civil war time when we had both flags in the top,where Gaddafi's government flag was put top,then the national transitional council flag below,and when the rebels capture damascus the rebels flag will be put up,and Assad will be put down Abdo45 (talk) 01:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

This what was done in the libyan case when there was the statement between rebels and gaddafi,the same case now between rebels and Assad

http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Flag_of_Libya&oldid=441902580 Abdo45 (talk) 01:29, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Two infoboxes would certainly be quite appropriate at the current moment -- if there is some evidence that the "National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces" has adopted a flag... AnonMoos (talk) 03:24, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

It's not about "appropriate", it's about the flag. We had similiar discussion few months ago... Users claiming include the "Ind. flag", include it, include it, rebels have 50% of Syria - so what? They don't have a flag. Why is that hard to understnad. There's no flag we can write about. Just read the archive. Here you can read last discussions, same arguments. --Wüstenfuchs 03:15, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Wustenfuchs this what was done in the libyan case when there was the stalement between rebels and gaddafi ,the same situation is repeating in syria, the national coalition was recognized as the sole legitimate representative of syria or the syrian people ,the Same recognition as the NTC got in libya This is what is done in the libyan case http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Flag_of_Libya&oldid=441902580. Abdo45 (talk) 02:52, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that you do not understand that there's no other flag but this flag. National Coalition doesn't have a state flag. Are you aware of that? Do you understand the difference between their symbol (not the flag) and the country flag? --Wüstenfuchs 18:59, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

• This is not evidence of anything at all--I hope that saying that is redundant. AnonMoos suggests two infoboxes: my personal opinion is that the time is not ready for that, and there seems to be no evidence presented of the opposition being unified enough to have a unified flag. It seems to me (again, that is my personal opinion) that any "Flag" article should give the preference to the official flag, for better or for worse. If no reliable sources (not some caption accompanying a photo from Yahoo of some soccer fans with a flag!) are presented for an alternative flag, then this discussion is moot to begin with, and the best that can be done is to add a sentence to the lead. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 17:03, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

When the case was with the syrian national council,the opposition wasn't unified,but in this case the syrian national coalition of opposition and revolutionary forces,the opposition is totally unified now, saying that the opposition isn't unified is no longer AN ACCEPTABLE EXCUSE Abdo45 (talk) 18:36, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Qatar handing embassy over to opposition

"the opposition flag will fly over the embassy in Doha" — BBC News article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.197.127.144 (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

I saw that too. I think this removes most obstacles to having two infoboxes in the article. AnonMoos (talk) 16:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Naming of the current red-white-green flag

The Red Flag is Syria official flag, Not used by assad government only, I'm not an opposition or with assad. I'm along side because both of them are bad , However, Not all of oppositions are using this flag, As this flag was created by french occupation on syria, We are proud of our flagGhiathArodaki (talk) 12:27, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

However, many associate the two-star flag with Ba`thism and subjugation to Egypt... AnonMoos (talk) 15:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

However, it is inappropriate to write on the current Syrian flag that it's used by the Assad regime, because it infringed on the sovereignty of the State GhiathArodaki (talk) 18:14, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

GhiathArodakil, if you were really neutral as you claim then you would not be coming out with the conspiracy theory that the Independence flag was forced upon Syria by France. As the article makes clear, the flag was created by Syrian nationals. -- 01:10, 16 March 2013‎ 92.40.254.247

the flag was created by france , i know my country history .GhiathArodaki (talk) 05:20, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Clearly you don't. No sources say what you are claiming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.254.247 (talk) 00:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

sources ? , search for that and you'll find , ha! , i don't what is worse , western and israel making causing the problems on middle east and arab world , or rewriting our history , leave us alone , Arabs want PEACE !, As also , france trying to hide the terror that it did, you can read the history, as i grow up STUDYING MY COUNTRY HISTORY FROM I WAS YOUNG !!!! GhiathArodaki (talk) 17:09, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

The current flag preceded the ascend of the "Assad government" by several years. FunkMonk (talk) 23:01, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

So what. It is still assocated with a Ba'athist regime in those few years which you make reference to. Albeit not lorded over by a memeber of the Assad family. Regardless, this conversation is about the Independence flag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.254.179 (talk) 02:37, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

The current flag was adopted in The arab united between syria and egypt , this was before assad many years , But after syria got alone and egypt too , they returned the green one , when assad came he changed the flag that was created by french people to a flag that was created for an araibian union, Ba'athist doesn't have any hand on the flag as it was said, although , not every time a new government comes it changes the flagGhiathArodaki (talk) 11:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Naming of the first paragraph, the red-white-black flag seems to be delicate. Even-tough it is probably still seen and the current or most official flag, naming it the Official Flag can seem bias towards the Assad regime in light of the current conflict. Using Flag used by the Assad government is better but holds the risk of demoting the flag to an Assad symbol. If the flag had a name I would prefer using that name for the first paragraph and independence flag for the second. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Renetus (talk • contribs) 09:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Ba'athist flag is not a good name , Official is better , but if you didn't like we can say "Used Syrian Flag" OR , Used Syrian Flag in the country, and in the second one , it can be leaved as it , because it is not the independence flag , it is the mandate flag that was created by france GhiathArodaki (talk) 11:44, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

YOUR PROPOSAL IS extreme pov,if not that you are trying to vandalize the article,flag used by assad governmment and flag used by national coalition is better

I'm trying to write the truth that you are trying to hide showing lies, this flag isn't only used by assad, it's used by netural people and half of the revolution people , AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CONTROL MY COUNTRY IN YOUR MIND .GhiathArodaki (talk) 15:20, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

believe in what do you believe in,but this became a fact,the red flag no longer represents syria,due that there is another government in syria that holds the green flag,and stop erasing facts in the article Abdo45 (talk) 14:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

who are YOU TO SAY it doesn't represent syria ?, the idiot green flag is just a symbol to the revolution , not the new flag , i asked the opposition people that i know , and many of them says that , as for the another government , it isn't the official government in syria, so you stop putting strange ideas in people mind , and let it be the truth to be said GhiathArodaki (talk) 16:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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By the way, with respect to the naming of this section ("current red-white-green flag"), the two flags at issue are a red-white-black horizontal tricolor with green stars and a green-white-black horizontal tricolor with red stars. There's no red-white-green Syrian flag that I know of. As for the issues mainly under discussion: 1) The Syrian National Coalition has achieved a a very significant degree of international recognition, so that its flag deserves to be prominently included on this article for that reason. It's the same thing that was done on the "Flag of Libya" article when the Libyan opposition started receiving significant international recognition. 2) Examination of sources in the past by people on this talk page has not turned up real evidence that the 1930s-1950s red-white-black flag was designed by France, and if it had originated as a French colonial flag, it should have had a vertical blue-white-red tricolor canton in the upper left corner (but it didn't). Therefore the French-origin theory cannot be included in the article without a reliable source... AnonMoos (talk) 16:34, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

i'm saying the green flag is the mandate , not the red one , the libya thing you did is different from here, green flag of libya was really created by gaddafi , but the red flag of syria was created by the Arab union ,The syrian opposition wanted to use the green flag as a symbol only , while the libyan people wanted to use it as a new flag for the country GhiathArodaki (talk) 17:08, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

First off, the terms "green flag" and "red flag" are useless -- one flag has a green top stripe and red stars, while the other flag has a red top stripe and green stars! And yes, the 1932-1958 flag was created during the French mandate period, but that's quite a different thing from saying it was created by the French (no credible sourced evidence of the latter has yet been presented). AnonMoos (talk) 19:56, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

ui know my country flag , no need to tell, and you can go read history books , anyway , i'm syrian , and i know my country history.GhiathArodaki (talk) 20:23, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia still demands reliable sources... -- AnonMoos (talk) 15:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

GO READ HISTORY BOOKS GhiathArodaki (talk) 18:42, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Picture in lead

Left: the flag used by the Assad government
Right: the flag used by the opposition

Hello, suggest putting an image in the lede, would look a lot better. I think the combined one would convey the current state at a glance. Thanks 220.246.135.78 (talk) 02:19, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Putting two flags in one image like that may imply it's actually one flag. IMO, if both flags need to be displayed in the lead, showing both using {{multiple image}} would be better (see right). SiBr₄ (talk) 11:19, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

220.246.135.78 -- I think it's much better to discuss the flags in two separate subsections, one after the other, where the history, characteristics, and current status of each can be discussed without any possibility of inadvertent confusion. As for File:Flag of Syria (2011 combined).svg, I uploaded the current version of that image, but it's really only a template/stub/talk/userbox type image, and not suitable for the use you propose... AnonMoos (talk) 02:23, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Except that that French colony flag is only used by like 30% of rebels, the rest using black Jihad banners and al-Qaeda flags...Kermanshahi (talk) 12:18, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Was Syria a French colony between 1946-1958 and 1961-1963? In any case, the three-red-star flag was semi-spontaneously embraced by a very significant number of ordinary Syrians in 2011... AnonMoos (talk) 00:51, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Independence Flag?

This is the colonialist mandate flag, this was designed and forced by the French. This flag was adopted by a degree of Henri Ponsot in 1930. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.187.17.3 (talk) 14:13, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

If it had been a real French colonial flag, it would have had a blue-white-red vertical tricolor in the upper left corner (canton). In any case, it was indisputably the flag adopted upon independence, and used for the next twelve years. It's also a specifically-Syrian flag (not a generic Nasserist and/or Ba`thist banner, identical to the flags of several other countries except for the number of green stars)... AnonMoos (talk) 15:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 March 2013

Please remove information which implies the flag of insurgents being a flag of Syria. The rebel's flag is a military flag not of any country and not a sovereign state flag. This provision of information discredits wiki in my eyes. 58.179.129.242 (talk) 09:23, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces has received significant international diplomatic recognition (including by the recent Arab League summit). AnonMoos (talk) 14:30, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry , But i would like to tell you the UN doesn't give an "International Diplomatic recognition" , I would like to tell more that Jordan King was not happy because Moaz and hito sat on the seat , I Would like to tell you that many araibian countries opposite about that , So the flag is still the official Syria flag, not the Mandate one , But , because i like it fair , i'll tell you my suggestion that rentus suggest it :

section 1 : Arab Union Flag

section 2: Independence Flag(But I see it as Mandate one, But for your strange thoughts i'll not make a point on it)GhiathArodaki (talk) 12:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

It's the "United Arab Republic" in English, not the "Arab Union" (and some remember it as an era of Egyptian subjugation of Syria, as I mentioned above). In any case, the degree of international recognition is tabulated at National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces#International recognition, not on this article... AnonMoos (talk) 16:48, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

What does that mean to you that it is an era of egyptian subjugation of syria ? , This is a very far thing a way from what we are talking about , so don't change the tittle, I gave you my suggestions as a fair suggestions , rather naming it arab union or united arab republic , anyway you like it , that is fine and good , you don't like it , that shows that wikipedia have a hand on what is happening in syria , rather than rewriting history....etcGhiathArodaki (talk) 11:53, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

It means that from 1958-1961, Nasser was by far the most powerful leader in the United Arab Republic, and some Syrians thought that Syria was getting the worst of the bargain. That has a lot to do with why Syria withdrew from the United Arab Republic (and why not everybody has positive memories or associations with the two-star flag)... AnonMoos (talk) 01:18, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

although i'm not with Nasser and i hate him , but he was the leader of the araibians, the two star flag's memories are better than the red stars , because the red stars was a mandate flag , but the green stars shows the united relation between the arabs , i'm gonna ask you now this question , where are you from ? , if not from syria , then , what does it mean to you ? , and who told you everybody doesn't have a positive memories with this flag ? , this flag was our flag in october six days war , this flag saw better events than the mandate one, it doesn't mean to you which flag is the syrian flag , but if you are syrian that is something else ,as western countries always poke themself in somethings that are not there buisness .GhiathArodaki (talk) 11:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Not that it makes much difference in what we're talking about, but the Syrian flag in 1973 was the one with the golden hawk, not two stars... AnonMoos (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

As long as the Assad government, i.e. the Syrian Arab Republic, is the official representative of that country in the General Assembly of the United Nations it is clear that the Flag of Syria is the flag of that state. Coolavokig (talk) 11:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Look at National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces#International_recognition to see that the opposition forces have attained a significant degree of diplomatic recognition -- including Syria's seat in the Arab League. In any case, the Pol Pot regime or Coalition Government of Democratic Kampuchea retained Cambodia's seat in the United Nations during the late 1970s and most of the 1980s, though almost no-one thought it was the de facto or de jure government of Cambodia.... AnonMoos (talk) 13:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

'By March 2013, at least twenty states had recognized the SNC as ‘the (sole) legitimate representative of the Syrian people’:'

I must have missed news of that election.

So the vast majority of the world's states, didn't concur.

'Arab League to forge NATO-like military alliance of Sunni powers ' ~ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/29/arab-league-to-forge-nato-like-military-alliance-o/?page=all Beingsshepherd (talk) 05:20, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

This article must be one Wikipedia's greatest embarrassments. I used to think Wikipedia was at least usable for objective information, but it cannot even tell me what the official flag of Syria is ...

Bashar al Assad heads the only government in Syria. It collects taxes and runs essential services, except in areas invaded by jihadists (many of whom are foreign). In the last presidential elections he got over 80% support, and people travelled for miles and queued round the block to vote in places like Beirut (Lebanon). Even the least favourable recent European poll showed that the Syrian government had more support than any of the alternatives. A NATO report declared that Bashar al Assad was supported by at least 70% of his people.

Most people in Syria haven't heard of this National Council (or Coalition, or whatever the flavour of the month is) which has clearly been set up in Turkey by NATO to facilitate externally propelled regime change. It has NOT been recognised by the international community, not by China or Russia or most other countries. It represents NATO and its allies, period. There are opposition parties within Syria: this is not one of them.

Syrian opposition in exile seems to be in total disarray, and the status of the various groups is quite unclear: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-15798218

I would argue against the ISIS flag being a legitimate flag for Syria but it certainly has more validity than that of this "Council" Bougatsa42 (talk) 20:16, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Jihadist flag?

Flag of AQI/ISIS/ISIL/IS

Should we show this too for the "Islamic State", or do we discount it because the proclaimed state doesn't include "Syria" in its title?

And what about the Al-Nusra Front flag, or does that count even less because this group has not taken the grand step of declaring statehood?--Pharos (talk) 21:18, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

The Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi led group doesn't claim to be a government of Syria, but something completely different (a pan-Islamic caliphate), which if it came to fruition would pretty much obliterate Syria as a sovereign state in its current borders. Also, neither the "Islamic state" nor Al-Nusra Front have acheived significant recognition from any internationally recognized nation-states... AnonMoos (talk) 17:45, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Let's face it, this article is a joke. No-one has heard of this organisation that is supposed to be of equal legitimacy to the Syrian government, which recently held elections. It does NOT acquire legitimacy based on the wishful thinking of Western powers. And I bet its flag is the least known of those associated with Syria (I'm only here because I couldn't remember what it was)

I'm going to copy and keep this article now as an example of the ongoing awfulness of Wikipedia. 203.79.101.147 (talk) 20:00, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

There are actually quite a few rebel flags now from different factions, maybe there should be a section on them all.--Pharos (talk) 14:21, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

The Lone Star Flag

Recently I saw a demonstration where both the green-white-black flag was flown and a red-white-black with a lone star was flown.

Any information on that? 95.34.50.97 (talk) 23:59, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

A red-white-black horizontal tricolor with a single green star was the flag of north Yemen from 1962-1990 (see Flag of Yemen); not sure why it would show up in a Syrian context... AnonMoos (talk) 01:51, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Split

Let's simply split Flag of the Syrian opposition into a separate article - this is already 6 years and neither the opposition nor the Ba'athist Syrian Republic are not going anywhere. We should be realistic and stop pretending like both Koreas are the same country with same flag or that Republic of Cyprus and Turkish Republic of Cyprus can unite - all have distinct flags.GreyShark (dibra) 17:44, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Korea has been hostile but stable since 1953, while Cyprus has been hostile but stable since 1974. Syria is still very volatile and unpredictable... AnonMoos (talk) 10:27, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous

Based on this worthless page, Google is now showing the FSA banner when you search "Syrian flag". Make like a banana, and split. 70.48.113.232 (talk) 04:46, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

What you call the "FSA banner" was in fact the flag of Syria from at least 1946-1958 and 1961-1963, so it's not lying as such (though the text snippet Google displays from the article doesn't match the image). It's a little strange, but on my browser, the Assad/green-star flag is displayed in the little summary box (detached from the search results) at the right of the page, while the old/rebel/red-star flag is displayed under the first result at left, so anybody who was paying a little bit of attention would not be misinformed. Certainly anybody who clicked on the Wikipedia article itself would not be misinformed... AnonMoos (talk) 10:35, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I've read this entire page, and you've rehashed that point ad nauseum. Whatever you say (repeatedly), that rag is not the flag of the Syrian Arab Republic. Enough!

P.S. "Banner" is not a pejorative in vexillological terms. I merely wanted to avoid using the word "flag" twice in one sentence.70.48.113.232 (talk) 15:24, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

It was the flag of the الجمهورية السورية as you can read for yourself at image File:Coat of arms of Syria-1957.svg. Some consider it the last flag untainted by Nasser's rule, Ba`thism, and the Assad dynasty, and respect it for that reason, while others dislike it for similar reasons. However, mere personal opinions should not affect the Wikipedia article, nor should quirks of Google search displays... AnonMoos (talk) 14:49, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

The page is nonsense and should be deleted, so that someone can start again. There is only one internationally recognised government of Syria. The alternatives, whatever they are called this week, are not even based in Syria. As for the FSA flag, it is associated first and foremost with Western-backed marauding terrorists, who certainly do not represent the Syrian people. Bougatsa42 (talk) 05:40, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

We've had this discussion above; see National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces#International_recognition etc. Your use of the word "terrorists" is unfortunately laughable, since the Assad dynasty has notoriously loved, coddled, and protected terrorists when they could use them against their enemies... AnonMoos (talk) 11:47, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

So who exactly is this "government's" envoy to the United Nations, to Astana, to Geneva? Bougatsa42 (talk) 08:26, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Only one Syrian flag at the Soccer World Club 2017

The official Syrian flag flown at the Soccer World Cup is ... the Syrian flag. Not the ISIS flag, not that of the French Mandate. To continue to pretend there are two internationally recognised Syrian flags of equal weight is ridiculous. Bougatsa42 (talk) 17:29, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

That's not necessarily something to boast about, since FIFA is a notoriously corrupt organization, which has a cozy relationship with several despotic tyrants. See also http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/19343630/how-syrian-government-brought-soccer-campaign-oppression . In any case, FIFA is not in charge of state recognition and legitimation. AnonMoos (talk) 19:43, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

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