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Is the white flag still in use?

At the most recent meetings and media appearances of the leaders and ministers of the transitional government, the white flag is no longer being displayed. I think we have been too quick to jump to conclusions in describing it as some sort of “co-flag” when its use was in the post Assad era was limited to one cabinet meeting and the press conference afterwards.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1167816194902573&set=pb.100050226110792.-2207520000 (16 December) - https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=984180353739970&set=pcb.984180407073298 (18 Decmber) - https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=984504190374253&set=pcb.984504370374235 (19 December) -

Another meeting today (22 Dec) with only the Independence Flag - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1870815164427042883

Meeting with Jordanian diplomats today with only the Independence Flag - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1871141176163889411

A second meeting today, with a delegation from Qatar , with only the independence flag again - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1871151757100823000

I propose we remove it from the infobox and instead display it in the history section below in the subsection about the transitional government. I think we are giving it undue weight by leaving it in the infobox. Dn9ahx (talk) 18:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As there were no objections, I put the change suggested into effect. Dn9ahx (talk) 23:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've just seen this rn. I am opposed to removing the flag from the infobox. It hasn't even been more than a month and we cant expect them to place both flags everywhere they go. Give it a few months before doing so Abo Yemen ✉ 05:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we shouldn't remove it from the infobox for now. Since it's a secondary flag, it makes sense that they don't use it in every meeting. I suggest we wait to see if the flag has actually been abandoned. TheInfoIcon (talk) 07:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://youtube/SFQ2MvHQrsQ?si=mhjTPw2e0Il99qoq Berniesandals (talk) 13:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. If someone wants to reinstate it, thats fine with me. Dn9ahx (talk) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not used again today 24 December - https://x.com/SanaAjel/status/1871520980126101942 Dn9ahx (talk) 13:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The thing i noticed here is the colors of the flags and their proportions Abo Yemen ✉ 14:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Assad flag sill in use

The UN still (December 30) uses the 1980 flag: [1], [2]. Aotearoa (talk) 15:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first source you quoted has not been updated since 28 October 2022. However I will add a note about the continued use of the Ba'athist-era flag at the UN if you wish. Dn9ahx (talk) 15:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outdated sources and shouldn't be used Abo Yemen ✉ 15:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't matter. UN uses the same for defunct Afghan Islamic Republic. Beshogur (talk) 18:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proportions

Hi @RamiPat and Abo Yemen: I have seen no source about the proportions. So it is an WP:OR. Panam2014 (talk) 18:42, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah true. Looking at the new pics and vids from the presidential palace, They seem to be using a 1:1 flag for syria and their visitors 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 19:05, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why do we need a citation for 2:3? The flag is 2:3 format, it doesn't say it's the official version. Beshogur (talk) 15:19, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because WP:OR? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 15:46, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saying that the 2:3 flag being 2:3 is wp:or? You don't know what wp:or means I guess. Beshogur (talk) 12:45, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is. We've seen many different proportions of the flag ranging from 16:9 to 1:1. No proportions are official yet (AFAIK) and we shouldn't be listing it on the infobox without a source 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 13:05, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am saying that the 2:3 flag is 2:3. There is no official version of the flag. Putting a cn tag on 2:3 is just ridiculous. That flag is 2:3. Beshogur (talk) 20:31, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Beshogur if it's that obvious then why do we have to mention it on the infobox? better to remove it because of how obvious it is 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 20:38, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The flag is 2:3. And the infobox says it's 2:3 flag. Come on. This is beyong ridiculous. Beshogur (talk) 22:01, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article 6 of the 1950 Constitution was probably the last one that described the flag proportions as "Its length is twice its width, and it has three equal parallel colors: the top is green, followed by white, then black. The white section contains, in a straight line, three red five-pointed stars".

It was assumed that the current usage would be along that description but there seems to be no standard in a lot of things (even the coat of arms, not only the flag).

- RamiPat (talk) 13:31, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since the 1950 constitution isn't in effect, I think the proportions should be removed 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 13:46, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RamiPat and Abo Yemen: But the 1950 Constitution have been in place until 1963. for 1973 Constitution, the flag was initially described as the Flag of the Federation of Arab Republics. Then in 1980, the Constitution have been amended to say that the flag is determined by law. Then in 2012, possibly to prevent rebels to change the flag, the Assadist flag was decribed in the Constitution with its proportions.

Do you have sources about the laws from 1963 and 1980 who describes the proportions of the flag? Panam2014 (talk) 18:33, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also we should upload here the variants of the flag with differents tones of green, and different proportions for bands and stars. Panam2014 (talk) 18:35, 3 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Freedoxm, Abo Yemen, and RamiPat: we could keep the two variants in the infobox but remove the proportions as WP:OR. Panam2014 (talk) 01:38, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop pinging me as I am not relevant to the discussion. Thanks. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 02:35, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have deleted the citation needed tag. Panam2014 (talk) 02:38, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand but I have not been in this discussion. I only deleted it because the flag clearly shows that it's 2:3. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 02:39, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

anyway I have added back the cn tag. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 02:41, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. The fact is a 1:1 flag is also used. Panam2014 (talk) 02:42, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Freedoxm: reason? The flag there is 2:3 format. It doesn't say anywhere it's officially 2:3. Beshogur (talk) 22:02, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Beshogur, I did not say it's 2:3 officially, so how do I have to explain? I just said it's 2:3, not officially in terms. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 04:21, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We are using this one for Syria, so I don't see any reason why it shouldn't say that this is 2:3 format. The flag is 2:3. Beshogur (talk) 11:37, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I never said that we should eradicate the 2:3 flag. Alongside the 2:3 flag, I added the 1:2 format to the infobox because it's original and if you look at news outlet videos, you'll see that some syrians use there 1:2 format. The 2:3 format is just a modification of the 1:2 flag but with bigger stars, and of course, a new proportion. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 17:27, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I mean we can use both for Syria, but a cn tag for this is ridiculous. The flag listed above is 2:3. That's what I mean. I don't say it's the official format. Of course it's not the official format, because there is no law on the flag right now. Beshogur (talk) 14:24, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I tried switcher for Syria, so you can click on both versions, but looked bad. Beshogur (talk) 14:29, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but the point is: I did add the cn tag, but it was @Panam2014 that told me to do it. If you need proof they said "You deleted the citation needed tag." I originally deleted the tag but they told me to add it back. Maybe you should settle this with them instead, but feel free to ping me if it's needed. Thanks. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 18:24, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Beshogur, Freedoxm, RamiPat, and Abo Yemen: the solution is not adding the proportion in the infobox but diplaying both flags. Panam2014 (talk) 22:17, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "both flags"? It would be appreciated if there is a reply. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 02:03, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Safouh Al Barazi (the guy)

Why is it important to include the thoughts of a guy from a prominent family from Hama living in Canada? Most of the documental references being used to carry the thoughts of the guy are not even reliable. Greek Lizard (talk) 13:46, 4 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Final proportions

@RamiPat and Abo Yemen: the official proportions are 1:2. Panam2014 (talk) 16:14, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Panam2014 got a source? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 16:16, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Abo Yemen: sure. See here. Panam2014 (talk) 16:22, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nice find. Ill update the flag on Syria 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 16:48, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is not true, it is 2:3 according to the new constitutional declaration Aboshhabka (talk) 18:46, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Huh.. @Aboshhabka is this posted anywhere other than twitter/x? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 18:49, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, not yet. It is official though, published by SANA (Syrian Arab News Agency) x account. I am not sure the flag status changes from de facto to official because of this. Aboshhabka (talk) 19:18, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We need to see this posted somewhere other than twitter/x. Would be nice to wait for when the constitution is officially ratified so we can get over with this flag stuff 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 19:22, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The official account of the presidency telegram (the way we actually get news from them now smh) posted it, in the text it says:

يكون العلم السوري على الشكل التالي:

يمتد العلم على شكل مستطيل طوله يساوي ثلثي عرضه

يتضمن ثلاثة مستطيلات متساوية يعلوها اللون الأخضر ويتوسطها اللون الأبيض ومن ثم الأسود من الأسفل

تتوسط العلم في المنتصف وضمن المساحة البيضاء ثلاثة نجمات حمراء

Meaning:

The Syrian flag shall be as follows:

The flag shall be rectangular in shape, the length of which shall be equal to two-thirds of its width.

It shall include three equal rectangles, green at the top, white in the middle, and black at the bottom.

In the middle of the flag, within the white space, shall be three red stars. RamiPat (talk) 19:41, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Average official Arab media moment
We can't be citing telegram. Plus we'd need reliable secondary sources to be reporting on this anw 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 19:43, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I hope this works Aboshhabka (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is this the national TV of Syria? We gotta wait for secondary reliable sources to report on this. It won't take too long if it's official 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 20:14, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The initial source provided states:

"This article was translated and edited by The Syrian Observer. The Syrian Observer has not verified the content of this story. Responsibility for the information and views set out in this article lies entirely with the author"

The actual declaration has 53 articles. In this source, it has 43.

This change should not have been made in the first place. Aboshhabka (talk) 20:41, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@RamiPat, Abo Yemen, and Aboshhabka: the new proportions are confirmed. But the flag is no longer de facto since the draft have been signed. Panam2014 (talk) 21:12, 13 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

we need sources 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 08:26, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Abo Yemen, Aboshhabka, Panam2014, and RamiPat: I think this should work, it is from the Syrian government news agency site. San mo sa _Outdia 10:03, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://sana.sy/?p=2198312 Aboshhabka (talk) 16:16, 14 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Abo Yemen, Aboshhabka, Panam2014, RamiPat, and Freedoxm: See the final draft. Also, the office of Prime minister is abolished. Panam2014 (talk) 04:22, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which article of the temporary constitution does it say it? If so, I will mark Mr. Bashir as the former PM. 🗽Freedoxm🗽(talk • contribs) 04:26, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article 31 of the Constitutional Declaration is as follows in Arabic: "يمارس رئيس الجمهورية والوزراء السلطة التنفيذية ضمن الحدود المنصوص عليها في هذا الإعلان الدستوري."

Translated to English: "The President of the Republic and the Ministers exercise executive power within the limits stipulated in this Constitutional Declaration."

This is in contrast to the equivalent article in the 2012 Constitution which stipulated that: "The President of the Republic and the Council of Ministers exercise executive power on behalf of the people within the limits stipulated in the Constitution."

So there's no mention of the Council of Ministers in Constitutional Declaration, and the Prime Minister in Syria is actually just the President of the Council of Ministers. Thus, it's safe to say that, like in the American System for example, there won't be a prime minister during the transitional period. That being said, Mr. al-Bashir is not yet dismissed and is still, at least officially, the Prime Minister for now. Eyad0308 (talk) 09:37, 15 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]