Talk:Elizabeth Rona

GA Review

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Reviewer: Dr. Blofeld (talk · contribs) 17:52, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Will review tomorrow.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:52, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Lede

• "During her postdoctoral study with George de Hevesy, she developed a theory that the velocity of diffusion depended on the mass of the nuclide"-what period was this?  Done 1914-1918 SusunW (talk) 15:42, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
• "Late in her career, she became a nuclear chemistry professor at the Oak Ridge Institute of Nuclear Studies and after 15 years" -late implies end, but 15 years later..Changed to Later in her career?  Done SusunW (talk) 15:42, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Early life

• "The environment of her childhood and her father's encouragement, though he died when she was in her second year of university, spurred her interest in science." -a bit awkward, try "Though her father died when she was in her second year of university, he spurred an interest in science in her from a young age".  Done Tweaked it a bit as I think the encouragement part is important too. "Though her father died when she was in her second year of university, Rona's father had encouraged her and spurred her interest in science from a young age." SusunW (talk) 15:46, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Early career

• " "diffusion constant of radon in water"" -is this a publication name? If so original Hungarian name and English name in cap letters should be given.

Not a publication. It's a direct quote from the source because I wasn't sure how to paraphrase it and going to the page diffusion constant was mind-boggling. SusunW (talk) 15:50, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

• "The Hungarian Academy of Sciences published her findings. " -when?

Good question, but I have no idea and could not find the publication. The source says "(New radioactive substances were still “elements” in 1912 but orphans in the periodic table)…Elizabeth followed Hevesy’s suggestion and verified the existence of UY. After the Hungarian Academy of Science published her successful study, Otto Hahn and then F. Soddy reverified Elizabeth’s work…" Could not have been in 1912, as she wasn't working with Hevesy then. Her first publication was her thesis in 1912, which is the only entry WorldCat has for her name spelling as Erzsébet Róna and none of the later spellings of her name in WorldCat have mention of her early work in Hungary. None of the articles I was able to find during that period, seem to be about Uranium Y. Multiple sources talk about the UY verification, but none say what the paper was called, which would certainly help in identifying it. SusunW (talk) 16:06, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

• " noted biochemist" -should probably be "a noted biochemist"  Done SusunW (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
• "Instability following the White Terror and persecution of those with communist leanings caused more and more work of the Institute to fall to Rona." -try "Due to the political instability and persecution of those with communist sympathies following the countering White Terror, an increasing amount of work at the Institute fell to Rona".

 Done except I inserted the word countering in the place indicated to make it clear that the White Terror was a response to the communists and not part of them. SusunW (talk) 16:22, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Austria

• "Rona developed an enhanced method of preparing polonium sources and producing alpha-emissions (α-emission). She was soon regarded as the leading expert in their preparation,[11][12] taking those skills back to the Radium Institute along with a small disc of polonium. This sample allowed Rona to prepare polonium, which was used in much of the Institute's subsequent research." -you sort of repeat yourself here as we know it allowed her to prepare it already, can you find a way to copyedit and shorten more concisely?

I changed it to "Rona developed an enhanced method of preparing polonium sources and producing alpha-emissions.(α-emission). Gaining recognition as an expert in the field,[2][3] she took those skills back to the Radium Institute along with a small disc of polonium. This disc allowed Rona to create lab specimens of polonium, which was used in much of the Institute's subsequent research." Though I am not sure if it should be lab specimens or testing specimens? SusunW (talk) 16:35, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

• " Bornö Marine Research Station (sv) on Stora Bornö in Gullmarsfjorden (sv)," -no article for Stora? No idea where in Sweden it is. It would be good if you could blue link those locations and Kålhuvudet also, perhaps Ipigott or Yngvadottir can help.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

created Bornö Marine Research Station SusunW (talk) 18:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

created Stora Bornö though I have no clue what categories it should be in or how to input the coordinates for its location. SusunW (talk) 18:32, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Gullmarsfjorden I can't figure out. When I put it into the translator only some of the words translate. I am not sure whether the article is talking about Bohuslän the province, which seems doubtful, or Bohuslän Archipelago which seems more probable. So I shall make a stub with the sources I can and hopefully someone else can make heads or tails of it and expand it from Swedish WP. SusunW (talk) 19:34, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Gullmarsfjorden probably needs eyes on it that can make sure what I have is acceptable. As I said, I think surely it is talking about the archipelago and not the province as surely the area is not in the middle of the province? SusunW (talk) 20:11, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Kålhuvudet‎ is also done. I could only find two accessible sources, one Swedish and one English, but enough to make a start class article. SusunW (talk) 06:41, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

• "One of the projects the group had been working on for several years was to determine if there was any correlation between water depth and radium content, and their seawater research evaluated the concentration of elements in seawater collected from different locations." -unsourced

 Done repaired citation lost when new paragraph was created. SusunW (talk) 18:45, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

• "Reluctant to leave her home, at the end of her year in Oslo, Rona returned to Hungary,[11] taking a position at the Radium-Cancer Hospital in Budapest preparing radium for medicinal purposes." --split into two. Try "Reluctant to leave her home, at the end of her year in Oslo, Rona returned to Hungary. She was appointed to a position at the Radium-Cancer Hospital in Budapest, preparing radium for medicinal purposes.[19]  Done SusunW (talk) 18:45, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Emigration

• " she had been exposed to the dangers of radium, but when she had asked for protective gas masks, Stefan Meyer had downplayed the hazards of exposure. She purchased protective gear with her own money, not believing there was no danger. When vials of radioactive material exploded and the laboratory became contaminated, she was convinced her mask saved her.[27] Gleditsch had also warned her of the dangers the year she was sick and living in Paris, when Joliot-Curie died, emphasizing the risk of radium-related anemia.[15] In her" -perhaps vary the "she" and "her" usage here.

 Done I hope. Tried to make it more clear and substituted Rona for some of the instances of she and her. SusunW (talk) 18:57, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Why are there three external links to the same site?

I'm guessing you are asking about the 3 different links to WorldCat? It is because (see earlier discussion) her publications under the various spellings of her name are not consolidated on WorldCat. Only 1 of her publishings under Erzsébet Rona is listed, though I found at least 4 in other sources. Even the listings of Róna and Rona are not combined, nor Elizabeth and Elisabeth, though I would have thought that would be standard procedure. Having no way to correct the WorldCat databases, it seemed prudent to list all the variations I found. SusunW (talk) 18:57, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Looks good for GA. Will pass once addressed SusunW!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:44, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Good job!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:49, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Possible additional sources

Found a number of promising newspaper articles here I don't have a subscription. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:33, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Category

Tinton5 No idea why you removed, rather than created the category Oak Ridge Institute of Nuclear Studies faculty, but I have put it back. Clearly she belongs in the category. A simple search in the index reveals there are numerous others that would populate such a category. I contacted a category specialist Ser Amantio di Nicolao to create it and populate it. If you are able to do that, then you are improving the file and your edits are welcome. If you are removing the red link simply because you don't like a red link, you are being disruptive, as it neither improves the file, nor adds the needed category. SusunW (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2016 (UTC)