Talk:DC Studios

Requested move 6 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Improper discussion (special case-classification) BarntToust^(Talk) 17:09, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

This move discussion was improper in all ways, shapes and forms from its genesis to my closing, and amounted ultimately to a general clusterfuck (pardon my language). This was not a discussion: this constituted gross, bearing instances of sockpuppetry, Wikipedia:LOUTSOCK, was proposed by one sock of an editor abusing multiple accounts—and had been voted on by (at least) one other sock account. Furthermore, one editor who voted was also canvassed by another editor off-wiki. This madness must come to an end. It was also improper, should have been a proposed split rather than a rename. (non-admin closure)

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DC Studios → DC Films – We should revert this page back to DC Films.

• Why move?: The three 2024 projects, such as Super/Man, The Penguin, and Creature Commandos (along with any 2025 projects movie forwards), will leave this article. As confirmed by CEO James Gunn, in this post on Threads, DC Studios is its OWN entity separate from DC Films. The Super/Man documentary was the first movie to be released by the studio, and The Penguin was the first show released by the studio. As he confirmed on this post here, the Joker sequel is NOT a DC Studios film, though some of 2024 projects mentioned earlier are are, as he explained in this post. Given this information, directly from the source, I think this move is in the best interest to make things clear. Even if you disagree with this move propsal, please state if you agree/disagree that the movies Shazam! 2 to Joker 2 should fall under DC Films, as confirmed by the CEO of the company.

Note ... Keep in mind... James Gunn (first party) spelled it out for us. It's its OWN entity. And The Variety (third party) article that mentions DC Studios was a NEWLY CREATED ENTITY. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 00:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

What? No. I strongly Oppose this request. What you are requesting is an article split, which you already proposed on here before removing because you didn't agree with my response. Stop trying to game the system. DC Studios is still the successor of DC Films and inherited its prior projects and saw them to completion. DC Films was structured under Warner Bros. Pictures (which mainly oversaw the Joker sequel), while it was replaced with DC Studios and was restructured. These are NOT two completely unrelated companies. What banner recent projects are released under does not mean a split should occur. From a real-world perspective, these share a history and should not be split. Do you have any source aside from your interpretation of Gunn's comments that confirm DC Studios is not at all related to DC Films or that none of the 2023 works were inherited by DC Studios? If not, there is no verifiable rationale to warrant a move or a split. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:39, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I will note that WP:NAMECHANGES applies as DC Studios has routinely been used by reliable sources as the new name for this studio, which sources note replaced/succeeded DC Films. Regardless of what one may believe about the recent titles, this move request is based on a subjective perspective largely from WP:RECENT social media comments from the CEO. As recent sources have shed more light on this situation that spawned this discussion surrounding the recent release of a Joker film, this article has been updated to reflect the new information as it was verified by independent, third-party sources outside of the CEO himself. Reverting to the old name of a former studio to force a page split is not how this process is supposed to work on Wikipedia, and largely all of the support !votes have not addressed article title policies (and appear to be relatively new accounts or new to how this encyclopedia functions, even going as far as ignoring policies) solely based on the word of its CEO. It also appears that there are efforts of WP:Votestacking, though may I remind everyone that WP:Wikipedia is not a democracy and these discussions are NOT determined solely by how many !votes there are. Wikipedia is based on WP:Consensus building, and it appears there is no consensus in sight for this discussion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

A WP:Consensus is not built through a unanimous decision. Third-party articles dating back to 2023, like the first paragraph from this one here, have noted the studio being separate from Warner, but Warner continuing to release its slate of movies. Sites, such as The-Numbers (as you have mentioned yourself) have also used "DC Films" on these 2023 movies onwards from its release (as verified through the WayBackMachine) to today. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 22:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Per that source and the others in the article, DC Studios is separate from Warner Bros. Pictures (where it was part of as DC Films), but that does not support the notion that DC Studios and DC Films are "separate entities", which Gunn has not said directly and no one in this discussion has cited a direct source or quote for. Also, the post you cited above, Gunn makes no mention of a separate entity, either. These arguments are riddled with WP:SYNTH and a gross misunderstanding and mischaracterization of what the sources have contextualized. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Here's a Hollywood Reporter article for you, where they specially state that Gunn and Safran "formed" DC Studios. There's a reason Man of Steel and BvS are not on this article either. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 01:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, they formed DC Studios as a replacement and successor to DC Films. None of these sources dispute that, even the trades from the Oct. 2022 announcements support this. Also, MoS and BvS are not listed because those were made BEFORE DC Films even existed, as DC Films was made due to the poor reception of BvS. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:48, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

And DC Studios was made due to the poor reception of the whole 2017–present era. Get it know? ScottSullivan01 (talk) 01:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

And? You still have not provided a source that supports the notion of two unrelated companies existing in the way you have spun it. Gunn never said they were "separate entities" as you have repeatedly claimed. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Never? That's interesting. Please clarify what he said here for me then. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 02:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

As I have explained, Gunn is referring in that comment to how DC Studios is separate from Warner Bros. Pictures. If we took what he said at face value, that would imply DC Studios is not in Warner Bros. at all, which is not true as it was restructured from DC Films being under WBP to being under DC Studios. DC Films had its own history under the Pictures unit before it was replaced, though they have a shared history. This is also the first time you have actually cited that comment in this whole discussion, but it still does not support the notion that DC Studios does not have its roots in what DC Films was, nor does it dispute the fact, which is sourced in the article, that DC Studios replaced DC Films and that Gunn and Safran were hired to replace Hamada. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:16, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I would like you to answer directly why you deny the information from the sources we have provided for this request to separate DC Studios with an article of your own. It states that DC Studios is a newly created separate entity, and that James Gunn and Peter Safran formed it. It is born within Warner Bros. and assumes the responsibilities of what was DC Films, DC Television, DC Animation and DC Games. The difference is that DC Films was a studio of sorts (which it never really was, source here: https://deadline.com/2016/05/dc-films-batman-v-superman-geoff-johns-jon-berg-1201758630/), while the other divisions were managed by WB Television, WB Animation/Warner Animation Group and WB Games. Now DC Studios manages all of that, with the support of all those divisions mentioned, but the power and decision making is in DC Studios, as that's what the studio was created for, to manage all branches of DC under one studio.

DC Studios is not the successor of DC Films, DC Films has ceased to exist because it had no reason to continue to exist after the birth of DC Studios, a completely new entity created with that need, to be able to group all the branches of DC under the same studio.

The problem with using the article of what DC Films was to DC Studios is that we are confusing the audience, because, besides not being the same, there is no way to organize the content well. DC Films produced a few DC films between 2016 and 2022, not all of them, that's a fact to mention, as Walter Hamada had absolutely nothing to do with the 2019 DC Vertigo film The Kitchen, when he was already assuming the position of ''head of DC-Based films''.

So, since DC Films only made movies, we can't put Peacemaker (season 1), and yet, it's in the article. Then, all these movies and series that are in the article, such as direct-to-video, series like Batman: Caped Crusader and so on, shouldn't be either, since they are not DC Studios productions. And yet, under this logic, if you put Batman Ninja and Batman Aztec in the article, there should also be Superman & Lois, Gotham Knights and the Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League video game, since if the idea is to represent everything DC Studios oversaw, why not include them? You have to be consistent, but you don't do that either.

The studio's first production is The Penguin. All of that was already in the works before the birth of the studio, and they had nothing to do with it. I don't know if you realize it, but it's confusing and you should agree that Wikipedia is a reliable site with real and updated information, we have provided you with the sources, what you need to agree with us, but you flatly refuse, and I would like to know why. Drapionsito (talk) 21:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

" These are NOT two completely unrelated companies."

The CEO of the company disagrees with you. The articles should remain split, and the table of DC films productions should be removed from the DC Studios page. 208.58.214.29 (talk) 02:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

gunn said its a different entity, which is true. That doesnt make it a new company. I cant believe how triggered some gunn fans are and misinterpret everything in their favour. He literally said what i'm telling you guys since 2 days. Dc fimms was its own division within warner bros pictures, dc studuos is its own division within warner brothers discovery. Its still the same company. Can you guys start accepting facts? 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:522:3149:A653:5E18 (talk) 12:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

While DC Studios is the 'successor', it's important to note these are two SEPARATE entities, as stated by James Gunn himself. Homeofdcu (talk) 15:18, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

For transparency, I am noting that the nom apparently made a WP:Canvassing attempt at Homeofdcu's talk page to sway their support in their favor, as evidenced here. This whole discussion is riddled with a poor understanding of Wikipedia policy and a misuse of procedure. I would not be surprised if this ended with no consensus. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Even if we broke every single one of Wikipedia's policies, you'd eventually have to come to terms with the fact you need to separate the two articles. Sure, there may be a better way of actually making that change and not violating policy, but this is just Wikipedia being sorely out-of-date right now, and a change will need to be made whether it's tomorrow or in a year. Brayden8881 (talk) 20:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe I've personally broken any rule during this discussion. I'm just saying how you're not gonna be able to change the facts of this debate even if rules and policies get broken, as Wikipedia is supposed to be a site that has unbiased and up-to-date information. Brayden8881 (talk) 20:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

@ScottSullivan01: Per WP:RMCOMMENT, as the nominator, you do not and should not add "Support" to your own proposal, as it is already given that you support your own idea. Please remove that as it is an improper use of this process (which this whole request is, nonetheless). Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:31, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Film/Comic book films task force, WikiProject Film, and WikiProject Comics/DC Comics work group have been notified of this discussion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:44, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Trailblazer, this move request is inappropriate. You need consensus that there is no relationship between the two companies, and if that is the case then the article would be split. But renaming this to the old name makes no sense. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I would like to share my opinion on this matter. DC Studios is indeed a new division under WB Entertainment, a production studio. Logically, they were bound to inherit all DC Films projects, but DC Studios goes beyond that. It is now a studio responsible not only for theatrical releases but also for animation, television, and video games. Therefore, they have also inherited all animated projects, but that doesn't mean every project should be listed under the DC Studios article just because they are now under its supervision. As James Gunn himself has stated, not all of these projects are DC Studios productions.

The ideal solution would be to create a separate article for DC Studios and only include the projects the studio itself is working on. There are also inconsistencies in the current article, such as the exclusion of series like Gotham Knights (2023), Superman & Lois, Suicide Squad Isekai, and video games released after the establishment of DC Studios.

If the goal is to group all existing DC audiovisual material under DC Studios, then everything should be included, not just select projects. However, the correct approach is to leave the DC Films article as it was, with its films (and they didn’t even manage all of them, such as The Kitchen in 2019), and create a new article for DC Studios featuring ONLY the productions the studio has produced or acquired and released under the DC Studios label, such as Super/Man, Superman (2025), Creature Commandos, or The Penguin. Drapionsito (talk) 14:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I concur with Drapionsito. It is clear they are two separate entities, as mentioned by James Gunn himself. For anyone who clicks on the page too, they are bombarded with the entire history of a completely different entity before they can see anything about the newly formed DC Studios, which is probably why they're going to the article. Ideally, we should only include DC Studios projects that contain its logo or its name in the credits. Brayden8881 (talk) 14:55, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

We go by what reliable sources state. Per sources in the article, DC Studios was formed to replace DC Films, and it did inherit some of DC Films' productions. The studio was restructured as DC Studios. That cannot be ignored. This whole move request is very revisionist and these suggestions are not backed by any reliable sources to verify the claims. Everything on Wikipedia needs a reliable source. Content like Gotham Knights has not been said to be a DC Studios production, while others have been. Productions started under DC Films, ie the Joker sequel, should still be included in this article as that is where they started, even if DC Films' replacement is not involved in it. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

There is no continuity between DC Films and DC Studios; it is an entirely new and separate division created within WB Entertainment, which handles something that has never been done before at the company: overseeing all of DC's audiovisual branches, outside of the comics. As I’ve already told you, by pure logic, they inherit all of DC Films' projects, as well as DC’s animation and video games, but these are not projects of the studio. And the sources that Wikipedia requires have already been provided, in the words of James Gunn, the head of the studio. Drapionsito (talk) 15:19, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

DC Studios needs to have its own article because it is a newly created division. It’s referred to as the successor to DC Films because that division, under Warner Bros. Pictures, ceased to exist with the birth of DC Studios, a fully-fledged and totally independent production studio under Warner Bros. Entertainment. It now takes on not only films but also DC's animation, television, and video games. Cartoon Network Studios has its own article because it split from Hanna-Barbera, so why can’t DC Studios, which is a completely new entity? I've provided plenty of reasons for this change. Even James Gunn, the head of DC Studios, has said countless times that DC Studios is something new and entirely separate from what DC Films was. Drapionsito (talk) 15:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

It seems quite ridiculous to me that you say Wikipedia needs sources for everything, we provide them, and despite the fact that they are words from the head of DC Studios himself, you don't take them into account. Yet, at the same time, you allow the article to be filled with productions that the studio has nothing to do with, like Batman Ninja 2 (from WB Japan) or Batman Azteca (from Max Mexico). DC Studios can give notes for everything, but only productions from the studio itself should be included, in its own article, because it is an independent entity. Drapionsito (talk) 15:40, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Drapionsito is correct. This is not just a name change. This is a separate entity which was created after DC Films disbanded. The two are even structurally different, one being its own studio ran by co-CEOs under WBD, and the other being ran directly by WB executives. Homeofdcu (talk) 15:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The continuity of the company from DC Films to DC Studios is consistent. Yes the status of the company changed, but it's not entirely new and it would be confusing to readers to have two separate articles with similar names. Spanneraol (talk) 15:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  There is no continuity between DC Films and DC Studios; it is an entirely new and separate division created within WB Entertainment, which handles something that has never been done before at the company: overseeing all of DC's audiovisual branches, outside of the comics. As I’ve already told you, by pure logic, they inherit all of DC Films' projects, as well as DC’s animation and video games, but these are not projects of the studio. And the sources that Wikipedia requires have already been provided, in the words of James Gunn, the head of the studio. Drapionsito (talk) 15:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Example of this on Wikipedia. Cartoon Network Studios became its own studio separate from Hanna-Barbera in 2000, and in their Wikipedia article they do not count series produced at Hanna-Barbera, that is in the Hanna-Barbera article, they only count CNS productions since the formation of the studio Drapionsito (talk) 15:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  That is simply untrue. It was elevated to it's own division of WB... but kept the continuity of the projects that had been in the works. Again, it would create confusion to have two articles with similar titles. There is no need for that.. Spanneraol (talk) 16:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Opposition. It's not untrue at all. I think you're interpreting it as a name change, but that's not the case. DC Studios is a new division, A SEPARATE ENTITY from any WB division, that reports directly to the CEO of WBD, David Zaslav. It is responsible for managing live-action content (movies and series), animation, and DC video games. The studio GIVES NOTES on all the projects that were in development before, but only those that were greenlit and started production under its leadership, with DC Studios fully involved, belong to DC Studios. Teen Titans Go! is not a DC Studios production, just to give you an example, and yet it's listed in the article, which is a mistake. See? You're getting confused with these things too, even though it's already been fully explained. Drapionsito (talk) 19:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  I'm not confused.. I know exactly what happened here. It's still the entity overseeing DC Productions.. It was just moved from a sub label of WB to a separate label of it's own under Zaslav and renamed and Hamada was replaced by Gunn and Safron. There is still continuity from one to the other. Spanneraol (talk) 01:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Exactly. For some reason, a large silent majority are expressing their abject rejection of the corporate history because Gunn made some comments saying DC Studios only starts with their projects, and are interpreting that and other sources to suit their own perception, a clear definition of WP:SYNTHESIS. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  It is not a continuation. It is a newly created division dedicated to managing all branches of DC. Gunn and Safran didn't replace Hamada, DC Films (which wasn't even a studio, it was an imprint under WB Pictures, because WB Pictures executives didn't even use the name DC Films, they called Hamada as ''head of DC-Based film'', and I'm sure you know that perfectly well). DC Studios is a production studio with its own executives that was born out of the need for DC to be able to operate on its own and for each division of Warner Bros. to not do what it wanted, it was what Zaslav wanted and it's in one and a thousand articles that you can use as sources. And you've read them, don't tell me you haven't. Drapionsito (talk) 16:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  It is BOTH a newly created division AND a continuation. That's not that hard to understand. Spanneraol (talk) 16:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  THR: “James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-peter-safran-to-lead-film-tv-division-1235248438/

  Variety: “James Gunn and Peter Safran have been tapped as co-chairmen and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly created production entity that will oversee DC properties for Warner Bros. Discovery.” https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-warner-bros-discovery-1235414228/

  The Verge: “Warner Bros. Discovery has chosen director James Gunn and producer Peter Safran to lead its recently formed DC Studios division.” https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/25/23423484/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-ceo-dceu

  USA Today: “The studio on Tuesday named Gunn and veteran executive Peter Safran co-chairmen and CEOs of the newly formed DC Studios.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2022/10/25/james-gunn-peter-safran-become-ceos-newly-formed-dc-studios/10601719002/

  Warner Bros. Discovery: “Peter Safran is Co-Chairman & Co-Chief Executive Officer of DC Studios, a newly formed division of Warner Bros. Discovery” https://www.wbd.com/leadership/peter-safran

  James Gunn: “As the new (& first ever) CEOs of DC Studios, Peter & I think it’s important we acknowledge you, the fans” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1589336402873188354

  ”When Peter and I formed DC Studios we immediately knew what logo we wanted to use.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1816954985760100536

  “Last night Peter & I went to the #Penguin premiere, the first DC Studios production.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1836448114950946935 Drapionsito (talk) 19:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  A NEWLY CREATED DIVISION, not a continuation or rebranding. You're making that up because we've already given you enough sources. DC Studios was born as AN INDEPENDENT and NEW ENTITY, DC Films (which didn't even exist, it was just a name for the position held by the ''head of DC-Based films'' at Warner Bros. Pictures). DC Studios was born with the purpose of grouping all the branches of DC (films, television, animation and video games) under the same studio. It's not that hard to understand. Drapionsito (talk) 19:17, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  A NEWLY CREATED DIVISION WITHIN WARNER BROS DISCOVERY! Thats what warner said. This means exactly what they said. There hasnt been this division within warner bros discovery so its A NEWLY CREATED DIVISION WITHIN THEM. This doesnt mean the company is new nor does it contradict that dc studios was created in 2016 as dc films. And your other sources are adding informations which arent true at all, there is nothing they are refering to other than warners official statement which said nothing about "replacing dc films". I cant believe how many james gunn obsessed fanboys are trying to make his reboot look better by claiming dc studios hadnt anything to do with the 2023 flops. They are the same company, just a different name. What other changes were made simply dont matter because it wont make it a new company. Yall can keep crying "but its a new divison. And they have more responsibilities", thats cool, its still the same company 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:522:3149:A653:5E18 (talk) 12:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support - DC Films and DC Studios are separate entities with separate purviews that are each notable enough for their own articles. Mushing them together gives undue weight to their connection. No reliable sources would ever claim that DC Studios was founded in 2016 by Geoff Johns and Jon Berg. 184.144.61.138 (talk) 17:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

The infobox specifically specifies that DC Films was founded in 2016 and that DC Studios was formed in 2022. No one is saying DC Studios was formed in 2016 here, just that DC Studios replaced (aka succeeded) DC Films, which is accurate and reliably sourced in the article and infobox. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

The lede says “The studio was initially formed in May 2016 as DC Films and was led by comic book writer and producer Geoff Johns and producer Jon Berg”, so no, the page does in fact say that the studio was formed in 2016, which is inaccurate and unsourced. The infobox also unequivocally claims that Geoff Johns and Jon Berg are the founders of DC Studios. 184.144.61.138 (talk) 19:08, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I don't know if a split is justified, however, the presentation of DC Studios projects definitely needs to be changed. There is a major distinction between projects that may technically have DC Studios oversight (Shazam 2 through Joker 2) with projects that are directly attributed to DC Studios (The Penguin, Super/Man, etc), and the current format does not make this clear. Prefall 17:49, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Correct. I have been working on devising a different structured approach to the productions list. I think adding a note along the lines of "Initially produced by DC Films and released under DC Studios" for Shazam! 2 to Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom}} and then another note for Joker 2 saying "Initially produced by DC Films and Warner Bros. Pictures; Not a DC Studios film" could suffice, though there needs to be clarity explaining that the likes of Super/Man and The Penguin were released under the DC Studios banner (ie with Gunn and Safran's involvement, the new logo, etc.) while others were inherited (Shazam! 2) and some ultimately had little to no involvement from the new brass ala Joker 2. Gunn's comments are good to help support this approach and these distinctions, though it needs to be conveyed in a simple manner as not to confuse readers or to over-bloat the table. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:39, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Joker 2 began production after DC Films was shut down. It doesn’t belong on this page at all. Unless someone can find a reliable source that says otherwise, it should be removed entirely. 184.144.61.138 (talk) 19:12, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

It needs to have its own article for DC Studios because DC Studios is not DC Films; it’s a completely new studio created from scratch. That’s what people need to understand. Does it inherit projects from DC Films? Yes. It also inherits projects from DC Animation, but that doesn’t make it the successor of anything. It replaces DC Films because DC Films ceased to exist the moment DC Studios was created, nothing more. But they are not the same, and the same article for DC Films should not be used for DC Studios, and that’s a fact. Drapionsito (talk) 19:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

This is the correct response. Movies from the Shazam! sequel to the Joker sequel also need the "DC Studios" banner removed from their respective articles, but User:Trailblazer101 continues to revert my edits. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 22:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Shazam! 2, Aquaman 2, The Flash, and Blue Beetle are still credited to DC studios on websites such as Box Office Mojo and The Numbers. See their respective articles for those citations. Those should NOT be removed. One film, the Joker sequel, not being produced or released by DC Studios is not evidence to support an entire split of this article in a proposal disguised as a move request. You have not provided independent third-party sources to dispute the DC Studios credit of those films aside from Joker. Per my latest comment in this long-winded thread at the bottom, I already explained how this article ought to address the different credits and situations. You were the one repeatedly reinserting unsourced or incorrectly sourced information after it was contested, which can be disruptive especially when it is under discussion and has been contested before. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:07, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Box Office Mojo pulls from IMDb, which is user-edited just like Wikipedia with an even less rigorous approval process. IMDb (and its other companies) are not reliable sources. In another post not shared here yet, Gunn confirmed The Penguin was the FIRST DC Studios production. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 22:15, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

BOM is a reliable source, unlike IMDb, per Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Resources#Box office. I have noted Gunn's comments. Gunn is referring to how he and Safran were directly involved in the production of The Penguin via DC Studios, unlike Joker 2 and the 2023 titles. Trailblazer101 (talk) Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:23, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, I have checked The Numbers and Box Office Mojo. Box Office Mojo does not mention "DC Studios" and The Numbers uses the "DC Films" label as seen here on the Shazam! sequel, on the Aquaman sequel, The Flash movie, and the Blue Beetle movie. So your original post isn't even factually correct. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Well, they had originally used that name when I added the cites months ago, so I think those could also be changed. As for Aquaman, this THR article uses "DC Studios", and DC Studios is specifically cited in many citations in those articles as being involved in the production process since it was formed in 2022. Again, none of this confirms DC Studios is completely separate from DC Films, as it succeeded it. DC Studios being a new division does not mean it is not the successor of DC Films, and you have still not provided any sources to verify your claims of this. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:33, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

That article was written in 2023 when there was still a lot of confusion surrounding the new studio. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

It is still a reliable source. You can't just ignore it because you disagree with the contents. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I believe you're not getting it. I've already mentioned several times that DC Studios inherits the task of GIVING NOTES on previous DC products, whether it's the productions from what was DC Films, DC TV/WB TV series, or WB Games' licensed DC video games, because DC Studios, THE NEW ENTITY created to oversee all DC branches outside of comics, is responsible for that. Therefore, all DC movies from 2023 and 2024 are from WARNER BROS. PICTURES, the TV series on CW like Superman & Lois or Gotham Knights, or The Sandman on Netflix, are from WARNER BROS. TELEVISION. The same goes for Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League from WARNER BROS. GAMES. According to the current logic of the article used for DC Studios, all of this would have to be included, but that’s not the case. Only what is PRODUCED by DC STUDIOS should be included, not what is produced by other divisions, where the most DC Studios has done is GIVE NOTES. Now, having said this, is it that hard for you to accept that DC STUDIOS is its own independent entity that makes its own productions, whether they be movies, animations, TV series, or video games? You're completely refusing, despite me giving you sources for this.

Now, really, you CANNOT use sources like Box Office Mojo or IMDb because the only way to know if something is from DC Studios is if a studio executive is CREDITED in the production, in any capacity, or if the studio itself is credited. THE PENGUIN is the first production by DC Studios, and Super/Man is the first one to be released under the studio's label, although it was an acquisition. Box Office Mojo lists DC Studios because they think that's the case, but I've given you plenty of well-reasoned arguments and SOURCES that show otherwise. You can't say Teen Titans Go! is a DC Studios production because it isn't—that's not how it works. A production from the studio will bear the studio's logo—THAT is the only truth.

However, you CAN trust what articles from sites like The Hollywood Reporter say because they get FIRST-HAND information from DC Studios to write their pieces. In all of them, they state that it's a newly created division that replaces DC Films for the simple reason that DC FILMS DIED after the birth of DC Studios. It's exactly the same as when HBO Max launched and HBO Now was shut down—it wasn’t a name change, it was a REPLACEMENT, and thus it has its own Wikipedia article. This differs from the change from HBO Max to Max, which was a name change, so they use the same article. Drapionsito (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that TB101 continues to cite The-Numbers, despite that site currently using "DC Films" (and always using "DC Films" if you check the WayBackMachine). ScottSullivan01 (talk) 19:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support. I don't know who will be responsible for deciding if this happens or not, but I hope they read this.

I'm going to list the reasons why I believe DC Studios should have its own article on Wikipedia.

1. DC Studios is not the successor of DC Films. DC Films died the moment Warner Bros. Discovery decided to create DC Studios, a completely new studio dedicated to managing all branches of DC, except for comics, as that falls under DC Comics. Moreover, DC Films wasn’t even a studio in the traditional sense; it was more of a name for a division that managed the DCEU and some other DC movies, but not all of them, as I already mentioned. For instance, Walter Hamada had absolutely nothing to do with The Kitchen, a DC Vertigo movie that was distributed by WB Pictures in 2019.

2. DC Studios, being a separate entity that manages all branches of DC, has indeed inherited projects initially handled by DC Films, such as Shazam 2, Aquaman 2, and Blue Beetle. However, these are not films produced by the studio since they were not made under DC Studios. The only thing the studio did was provide notes; WB Pictures handled everything, including Joker 2. DC Studios also inherited all of DC Animation's projects, and that doesn't make Teen Titans Go! a DC Studios production, does it?

3. Only productions made (or acquired, in the case of the Super/Man documentary) by DC Studios should be included, essentially those that bear the studio’s logo, such as The Penguin, Creature Commandos, and Superman (2025). It is entirely incorrect to try to classify all of DC's audiovisual projects under DC Studios when, clearly, DC Studios had nothing to do with them. For example, the Max Latin America film Batman Azteca or the anime film Batman Ninja, produced by WB Japan. DC Studios can provide notes for all projects, but we should only classify what is produced by the studio itself, which includes the projects I’ve already mentioned.

4. James Gunn himself has said this, and he is the most valid source possible for Wikipedia, as he is the head of the studio. DC Films should have its own article with the films managed by that division, and DC Studios should have its own article as an independent entity. I already provided the example of Cartoon Network Studios, which was born as a division of Hanna-Barbera and became independent in 2000; it has its own article, and only productions made under Cartoon Network Studios are included, not those of Hanna-Barbera. And it makes perfect sense! The same should apply to DC Studios.

We must not be inconsistent. DC Studios is a separate entity, and therefore, it needs its own article on Wikipedia, with its own executives, productions, and more. There is no connection between DC Films and DC Studios beyond the latter replacing DC Films because, obviously, the former ceases to exist. It's like when HBO Max replaced HBO Now (or HBO Go in Latin America / HBO Europe in Europe). The same article was not used, unlike when Max came as a replacement for HBO Max, because that IS a name change, with DC Studios it is not, it is a separate entity. Drapionsito (talk) 20:04, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

While I broadly agree with your point, it’s important to note that James Gunn is absolutely not the “most valid source for Wikipedia”. WP:SCHOLARSHIP is clear that secondary sources are always preferred and that “Wikipedians should never interpret the content of primary sources for themselves”. 184.144.61.138 (talk) 20:22, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Precisely. Of course the CEO of a relatively new studio would want to not be associated with the prior regime's works, especially when they haven't performed or been received well. Gunn's word is not a gospel or definitive fact for all information, and Wikipedia should rely on third-party independent sources to verify all information added to the encyclopedia. Given none of the participants in this move request who support it have actually provided such references to verify their claims, it makes it difficult to find any non-biased validity to them (and for this request as a whole). Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

This entire discussion is born from my list of third-party independent sources that all support the idea that DC Studios and DC Films are separate entities. You personally responded to it twice. 184.144.61.138 (talk) 21:00, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Well that, there are several third party sources that serve to argue all of this. That said, who is in charge of deciding whether or not to make the change? Drapionsito (talk) 22:24, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Per my comments at that discussion, those sources do not confirm that DC Studios is completely unrelated to DC Films. DC Studios is a successor to DC Films, but is structured differently. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:28, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Let's just reminds everyone here that User:Trailblazer101 was very against splitting DCEU and DCU too. He continues to believe that he knows more than the CEO of the company who is spelling it out for us. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 22:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

What?! Well, that doesn't sound very WP:CIVIL. I urge you to please WP:Assume good faith. My prior edits bear no meaning in this discussion, and the DCEU and DCU are different universes. I have not said I know more than Gunn, just that we need independent, third-party reliable sources and not to solely rely on one individual who has a stake to claim in relation to this company. That is how this encyclopedia works. If you continue to make these types of comments, that would detract from focusing on the content, not the editor. All I am saying is to provide a reliable source other than Gunn that explicitly says DC Studios is not a successor to DC Films. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:39, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Literally all of these sources mention that it is a newly created division dedicated to managing all branches of DC (movies, animation, television and video games). It is the successor of DC Films for the only reason I already explained, one dies and another is born, it is not a name change therefore DC Studios does not have to be in the same article as DC Films, which is a thing that STOPPED EXISTING. Just like HBO Now after the launch of HBO Max, or Cartoon Network Studios after the death of Hanna-Barbera. Drapionsito (talk) 03:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for mentioning this. User:Trailblazer101 seems hellbent of being actively antagonistic for no reason. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 04:23, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I have not been acting as an "antagonist"? These comments of yours are really unconstructive and reaping of WP:Personal attacks, which are not allowed. Please, focus on the content at hand and stop trying to label editors. This is not the place for that kind of behavior, and I am not going to tolerate it or respond to such comments. I have been working at explaining my reasoning to you and others and have asked for sources that disprove the studios' relation, which have not been sufficiently provided without any WP:SYNTH analysis applied. I don't feel a need to continue participating in this discussion if you cannot contribute in a civil or constructive manner, though it appears you have a clear bias against me for whatever reason. This whole move request has blown way out of proportion and these long-winded comments really have WP:BLUDGEONED the consensus building process. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I did not make any personal attacks. This is my last response in this thread. You accused ME of being uncivil. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 04:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Companies, WikiProject California/Los Angeles area task force, WikiProject Film/American cinema task force, WikiProject Television/American television task force, WikiProject Film/Filmmaking task force, and WikiProject Comics have been notified of this discussion. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:36, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to comment on the Hanna-Barbera comparison.. that company had a long history as an independent company and notability on it's own. I don't believe "DC Films", which only existed as an entity for a short period of time, has the independent notability to have it's own article outside of "DC Studios" which has also just existed for a short period.Spanneraol (talk) 22:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

So you're proposing this article should have never existed? ScottSullivan01 (talk) 22:47, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I think it should remain as part of this article so that the whole history of DC as a film production unit can remain together... I don't see the need for separating them.. "DC Films" otherwise should redirect to the List of films based on DC Comics publications article. Spanneraol (talk) 01:01, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

"DC Films" should remain as a redirect to this article as it is a formal name. There is already "DC films" which sufficiently covers that, plus a hatnote at the top of this article. DC Films and DC Studios have a shared history as the production arm of Warners' DC-based works, regardless of how one interprets Gunn's comments. DC Studios is a new brand, but the core structure of a DC film studio has its roots in DC Films. Gunn and Safran were hired to replace DC Films president Walter Hamada. Plus, if they were split, the articles would have overlapping details explaining their relation to one another. I'm not even sure why this revisionist approach has become so prevalent (especially to relatively new editors) just because of a social media comment. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

What you don't understand is that DC Studios is not a movie studio as such, it is a DIVISION in charge of managing all branches of DC, not just the movies. DC Films was a name used, and not even officially within WB, to refer to the management of Walter Hamada, Geoff Johns, Jon Berg and the others who were at the helm to oversee the DC films, nothing more. They were always referred to as ''Heads of DC-Based film'' by WB. Drapionsito (talk) 16:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

DC Studios being something completely new, you can't put it in the same article as DC Films. I already gave you the example of HBO Now (dies) and HBO Max (born after the death of HBO Now). They are not replacements or continuations, HBO Max was something new, just like DC Studios is, there hasn't been the studio before, it's something new. Drapionsito (talk) 16:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

HBO Now was an app, not a company... HBO Max was something different that existed at the same time as HBO NOW for awhile until MAX replaced both of them... Not an apt comparision. Spanneraol (talk) 16:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Okay, let me give you the example of Cartoon Network Studios. In the studio article, it only counts the productions it made from 2000 onwards, when it became a studio of its own, not the ones made under Hanna-Barbera being a label/division. DC Studios has to have its own article with its own productions, you can't put what's new from DC Studios in the DC Films article because it doesn't work that way, it's a new and separate entity. And you can't put things like Teen Titans Go, Harley Quinn, Kite Man, Batman Ninja or the first season of Peacemaker either, because they are not DC Studios productions (especially the last one, which even DC Films didn't handle because they only handled movies, and not all of them, just some). It is confusing for people to go to Wikipedia and find that if a production is DC Studios, if another is not, like for example, Batman Ninja 2, WHICH IS NOT, and it makes no sense that it is in the article, it should only go what has the DC Studios logo, which are productions made in the studio, like Dynamic Duo, the new announced movie that you have NOT put in the article. Drapionsito (talk) 19:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

A consensus must be reached once and for all. A NEWLY CREATED DIVISION, not a continuation or rebranding. DC Studios was born as an INDEPENDENT and NEW ENTITY, DC Films (which didn't even exist, it was just a name for the position held by the ''head of DC-Based films'' at Warner Bros. Pictures). DC Studios was born with the purpose of grouping all the branches of DC (films, television, animation and video games) under the same studio. It's not that hard to understand.

THR: “James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-peter-safran-to-lead-film-tv-division-1235248438/

James Gunn: “As the new (& first ever) CEOs of DC Studios, Peter & I think it’s important we acknowledge you, the fans” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1589336402873188354

“Last night Peter & I went to the #Penguin premiere, the first DC Studios production.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1836448114950946935 Drapionsito (talk) 19:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

One of your own sources says that this new division "will replace DC Films"...which is what I was saying.. who cares if it is a "new division" its still taking over from DC Films and adding additional oversights. Despite your jibber jabbering on and on.. you are the one who seems to be making a mountain out of a mole hill. There is definite continuity here. Spanneraol (talk) 21:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Dude, of course DC Studios replaces DC Films, because their task is to manage all branches of DC (film, TV, animation and video games. However, it's not a continuation, it's a separate newly created entity, which is the important part. DC Films was a division under WB Pictures in charge of one thing, subsequently, within WB Entertainment they create DC Studios, and DC Studios assumes the responsibilities of DC Films, therefore, DC Films ceases to exist. It's as simple as that. You complicate yourself. Drapionsito (talk) 21:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Note / Additional third-party source: Keep in mind this third-party article from 2023 mentioning DC Studios being a separate entity. The article also mentions the reamining films (at the time) being released from Warner Discovery, not DC Studios. The article mentions, "Previously led by Walter Hamada, DC Films was a smaller division that mainly focused on Warner Bros.'s movies based on the comic book brand. During the original DCEU era, DC Films only existed within Warner Bros. Pictures Group. DC Studios, with Gunn and Safran, will report directly to Zaslav. However, the two CEOs are staying on the same level as Mike De Luca and Pam Abdy, who are the new heads of Warner Bros. Pictures Group." ScottSullivan01 (talk) 04:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

  That article is noting what has already been explained by the trades and what is sourced in this article, that DC Films was under Warner Bros. Pictures while DC Studios replaced it and was restructured under Warner Bros. Entertainment with a new approach under Gunn and Safran. This is nothing new and the Screen Rant article does not deconfirm that DC Studios succeeded DC Films. Plus, Screen Rant is a lower tier blog cite when compared to the trades of The Hollywood Reporter and Deadline. Gunn did not say that DC Studios was a separate entity in that source in the way it has been conveyed, saying "DC is separate from Warner Bros as of a couple months ago", as in no longer part of the WB Pictures unit but it is still obviously part of Warner Bros as a whole. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Find me an article that says DC Studios is under Warner Bros. Entertainment. Which that's another lie that's on Wikipedia. It's under Warner Bros. Discovery, obviously, because it's owned by the company, but not under WB Entertainment, because it ACCOUNTS to Zaslav. Just because DC Studios has its offices at WB Studios in Burbank doesn't mean it belongs under the WB Entertainment division. WB Games belongs to Warner Bros. Discovery Global Streaming & Games, for example, and operates out of the Burbank studios, which belong to WB Entertainment. DC Studios is not a replacement for DC Films in the exact sense of the word, it's a whole new thing dedicated to managing ALL branches of DC (animation, video games, movies and TV). Drapionsito (talk) 16:36, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  Those are all the same companies. Warner Brothers Discovery is one company and these are all separate divisions of the company that can be shifted around depending on what the corporate overlords decide to do with them. And yes DC Studios IS a replacement for DC Films.. its just given more responsibility. Spanneraol (talk) 16:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  It's not a replacement because you say so, it's a division created out of THE NEED to unite all branches of DC under one vision. James Gunn and Peter Safran are the co-founders of the studio, a full-fledged studio that exists for the first time in the company. DC Films was a name given to a sort of imprint of WB Pictures. Literally for WB Pictures the title was ''head of DC-Based films''. When DC Studios was created, it was done with the idea I just mentioned to you, to GROUP ALL THE BRANCHES OF DC under one roof, like Marvel Studios. Zaslav said it, they copied that structure from Disney, and it's a brand new studio founded for the first time. DC Films didn't even exist as a division, never was. Drapionsito (talk) 19:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  A consensus must be reached once and for all. A NEWLY CREATED DIVISION, not a continuation or rebranding. DC Studios was born as an INDEPENDENT and NEW ENTITY, DC Films (which didn't even exist, it was just a name for the position held by the ''head of DC-Based films'' at Warner Bros. Pictures). DC Studios was born with the purpose of grouping all the branches of DC (films, television, animation and video games) under the same studio. It's not that hard to understand.

  THR: “James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-peter-safran-to-lead-film-tv-division-1235248438/

  James Gunn: “As the new (& first ever) CEOs of DC Studios, Peter & I think it’s important we acknowledge you, the fans” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1589336402873188354

  “Last night Peter & I went to the #Penguin premiere, the first DC Studios production.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1836448114950946935 Drapionsito (talk) 19:21, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support —— Based on the evidence provided through both first-party and third-party sources in this discussion, it is reasonable to propose renaming the current article to its former title, DC Films. This reflects the historical context and distinguishes it from DC Studios, a newly established entity. To maintain clarity and accuracy, a separate article should be created for DC Studios, ensuring that each entity is represented independently and appropriately in accordance with their distinct timelines and organizational structures. It is only logical to do so. The CEO of the studio (like him or hate him) has confirmed that DC Studios is a newly established entity. This indicates a formal distinction between the two organizations, each with potentially different leadership, mandates, and operational structures. Maintaining separate articles would provide clarity for readers, as it allows for the accurate representation of each entity’s unique history and purpose. This separation aligns with best practices in documenting corporate evolutions, ensuring that the information reflects current realities while preserving the historical context of DC Films. These comment/replies are getting a little silly. MissTaylorW (talk) 06:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC) Blocked as a sock of the editor who proposed this move. Dekimasuよ! 09:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support this endeavor for all of the reasons I've stated before as well as what Drapionsito, Homeofdcu and ScottSullivan01 have all said about the fact that DC Films and DC Studios are clearly two separate entities, and for organization efforts as well as accuracy in comments made by the CEO of the studio. Brayden8881 (talk) 20:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• SUPPORT!!!! Long time reader... 1st time commenter! I wanted to say we should fix it because that's what James Gunn said to do and has explained severeal times! TheAquaman1 (talk) 21:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC) Blocked as a sock of the editor who proposed this move. Dekimasuよ! 09:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support There should be a clear distinction between DC Films and DC Studios, two separate entities, so two separate articles, as distinguished by co-CEO James Gunn on Threads. The Penguin and Super/Man are the first DC Studios projects, first and foremost. The current state can imply to readers that they are the same, just with a name change. 204.154.81.253 (talk) 22:59, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

• SUPPORT I've already made my case previously, but I want to make it clear I support the motion. Homeofdcu (talk) 23:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Regardless how James Gunn himself commented about it, we must take a note that DC Studios had a roots from DC Films. So, both firms are same identity, albeit with name change. DC Films was founded in 2016 while DC Studios was founded in 2022 as successor of DC Films. Anyone can deny the existence of DC Films as predecessor of DC Studios, but doesn't change the fact that both companies (according to revisionist approach is a separate entity) are single entity that shared history each other. Source from Brand Petch and Comic Book already mentioned that. 103.111.100.82 (talk) 03:08, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  It needs to have its own article for DC Studios because DC Studios is not DC Films; it’s a completely new studio created from scratch. That’s what people need to understand. Does it inherit projects from DC Films? Yes. It also inherits projects from DC Animation, but that doesn’t make it the successor of anything. It replaces DC Films because DC Films ceased to exist the moment DC Studios was created, nothing more. But they are not the same, and the same article for DC Films should not be used for DC Studios, and that’s a fact. Drapionsito (talk) 16:39, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  The ComicBook article you linked to also incorrectly states, "The DCEU (DC Extended Unvierse) will be officially referred to as the "DCU" or "DC Universe"." Not only is that wrong, but they didn't even correctly spell universe. I think it is safe to assume that source is inaccurate. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 23:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

  As ScottSullivan01 mentioned, that ComicBook source is inaccurate about that part. In addition, Brand Petch is not even close being considered a reliable source. MissTaylorW (talk) 01:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Blocked as a sock of the editor who proposed this move. Dekimasuよ! 09:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Support DC Studios is a new entity completely separate from Warner Bros. Pictures. It has complete autonomy over it's creative and production projects. The old DC Films was a division of WB Pictures and completely reliant and in service of it. There is a clean break between the two companies, that being the merger of WB with Discovery and the arrival of Zaslav. Gunn and Safran are almost always reffered to as the co-founders of DC Studios, rather than just the new CEOs of a 'rebranded' entity. I'm in favor of a split here and the creation of a new article for DC Studios. --JoaumBoladaum (talk) 16:33, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

A consensus must be reached once and for all. A NEWLY CREATED DIVISION, not a continuation or rebranding. DC Studios was born as an INDEPENDENT and NEW ENTITY, DC Films (which didn't even exist, it was just a name for the position held by the ''head of DC-Based films'' at Warner Bros. Pictures). DC Studios was born with the purpose of grouping all the branches of DC (films, television, animation and video games) under the same studio. It's not that hard to understand.

THR: “James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-peter-safran-to-lead-film-tv-division-1235248438/

James Gunn: “As the new (& first ever) CEOs of DC Studios, Peter & I think it’s important we acknowledge you, the fans” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1589336402873188354

“Last night Peter & I went to the #Penguin premiere, the first DC Studios production.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1836448114950946935 Drapionsito (talk) 19:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Repeating the same message three times is not going to make others agree with you, and it really does not make following this discussion any easier. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I had a little moment of lack of patience. But I stand by my position. Drapionsito (talk) 20:40, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

• Strong oppose Although DC Films was rebranded as DC Studios, they are still single identity with sharing roots. I don't believe how James Gunn tweet elsewhere about the company, but even then, they are sharing same roots and same continuity. 2404:8000:1037:587:E433:2897:AEB0:E645 (talk) 10:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  The sources are right in front of your eyes and you keep saying it's just a name change and not a newly formed production studio. It's unbelievable, man!

  Variety: “James Gunn and Peter Safran have been tapped as co-chairmen and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly created production entity that will oversee DC properties for Warner Bros. Discovery.” https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-warner-bros-discovery-1235414228/

  Warner Bros. Discovery: “Peter Safran is Co-Chairman & Co-Chief Executive Officer of DC Studios, a newly formed division of Warner Bros. Discovery” https://www.wbd.com/leadership/peter-safran Drapionsito (talk) 15:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Yes and they reported wrong. Of course gunn wont debunk it because it fits his narrative. Are you actually denying that a rename happened? Dc films was also its own division within warner bros just like dc studios is its own division within wbd 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D451:4DD7:731E:4F23 (talk) 16:32, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  How is a name change going to happen with the formation of a separate entity at Warner Bros. my friend, that's crazy what you're saying. It sounds like a joke, but at the same time it sounds like you mean it. DC Films was never a studio, it was a division ''in name'' nothing more, with no offices of its own, under Warner Bros. Pictures, which only oversaw DC films, nothing more, Walter Hamada's position was ''head of DC-Based films production''. DC Studios was created within Warner Bros. for the first time, it didn't exist before. It is a production studio, with its own executives, in addition to the two CEOs (Gunn and Safran), they have executives for marketing, communications, producers, and so on. DC Films was just Hamada, because it wasn't a studio, it was him overseeing the DC films within WB Pictures. Drapionsito (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  The company dc studios wasnt created, the division within warner bros discocery was newly created. Because (and here comes the thing), there hasnt been this division within warner bros discovery yet. That makes it a NEWLY CREATED DIVISION WITHIN THEM. But that doesnt mean that dc studios is a new company lol. Also the changes that were made within the company dont make it a new company. Yall need to learn reading before starting arguments 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:29B3:6395:7FA6:CA6C (talk) 12:34, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  DC Films was nothing more than a production company of Warner Bros. Pictures where WB were in charge and had the final say. DC Studios is its own independent studio that was created separate from Warner Bros. who have practically no involvement with them, bypass the heads of Warner Bros. Pictures, and report directly to Zazlav. TheAquaman1 (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Blocked as a sock of the editor who proposed this move. Dekimasuよ! 09:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

• Procedural close This is a proposed split, not a requested move. Please use WP:PROSPLIT instead. Everybody needs to take a chill pill as well. Also, there's obvious sockpuppetry going on; will file a SPI report shortly. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

  Per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Brayden8881, MissTaylorW and TheAquaman1 have been CU-blocked as socks of ScottSullivan01. Apparently, Homeofdcu and Brayden8881 are unrelated, despite being created at the same time as the other accounts. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:13, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  Further note to the closer than per the SPI linked above, Homeofdcu is confirmed to have been canvassed off-wiki to participate in this discussion by Brayden8881. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

DC Studios is its own newly created entity

James Gunn just confirmed via Threads what we already knew, but many people were trying to deny. DC Studios is its own separate entity, and as it was in the articles, NEWLY CREATED, therefore, it can't be in the article of what was DC Films, since DC Studios is a NEW entity, founded in 2022.

Source: https://www.threads.net/@jamesgunn/post/DA9MCezPIlh

Now, since this has been cleared up. We can't accept any more opposition to the separation of articles because the head of DC Studios himself has come out to deny that they are the same, which we already knew, but this is definitive confirmation.

We need to change the name of the current article to DC Films, and create another one for DC Studios, with its own productions, information on how it was created, and its own organization, with its own executives. Drapionsito (talk) 20:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

No one disputed that it was newly created. It was still a successor to DC Films and the shared history of the projects should continue to be in the same article. Gunn's comments don't change any of that. Spanneraol (talk) 20:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

But if it is a newly created entity how the hell can it be put in the same article as DC Films? It replaces it, but it has to have its own Wikipedia article, just like anything else that replaces something else, including Cartoon Network Studios with Hanna-Barbera, which is literally the successor, but its own separate entity.

You can't use the DC Films article to put everything from DC Studios because they are separate entities. That's the problem. Drapionsito (talk) 20:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I've responded to the idiotic Hanna Barbera comparison before.... HB had a long history as a separate entity before it was merged into Cartoon Network, which existed on it's own before the merger.. i.e. they were two separate companies that were merged. That is absolutely not the same thing. Also, this is a DC Studios article.. that is the title.. it just talks about the prehistory to explain the continuity of DC productions. Spanneraol (talk) 20:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

in all fairness, they're not just talking about the history. They're listing every project under DC Films, and also DC Films links to the DC Studios article. If it was just explaining the previous context, that would be fine, but it also serves as a DC Films article when it shouldn't. Brayden8881 (talk) 20:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

DC Films didn't exist long enough with an elaborate enough history to be worth it's own article... it makes much morse sense to include them both here since there is a continuity of history.Spanneraol (talk) 20:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

so is the idea in like, a few years, to eventually separate the articles? Brayden8881 (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

No need since there wont be enough content on DC Films to create a new article. Spanneraol (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I mean, I've seen a fair amount of articles on Wikipedia with minimal information on it, and I'm thinking at some point into DC Studios's history, it may seem possible to separate, but this is also very far from now so fair. Brayden8881 (talk) 21:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

What James said in that post has already been well established in this article. No one is disputing that. DC Studios and DC Films have a shared history where one led to the other being formed. DC Studios superseded DC Films. There is not enough WP:Notability for each studio to have their own articles for the different iterations and operations they had. Also, making yet another discussion about this same topic is not going to change anything. Nothing "has to have its own Wikipedia article" just because you say so. I encourage you to WP:DROPTHESTICK here. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

It's not that I say so, it's just the way things are. I ask you again, why Cartoon Network Studios has its own Wikipedia article despite being the successor of Hanna-Barbera, and moreover, it was born AS A DIVISION of Hanna-Barbera. why? Answer that first.

DC Studios was born in 2022, and rather than replacing DC Films, which does not replace DC Films, it is already more than proven, it only assumes the responsibility of managing the movies, while assuming the responsibilities of managing TV, animation and video games. DC Studios replaces both DC Films and DC Entertainment. Don't forget that there was DC Entertainment, which was the company that managed everything else (TV, animation and video games) since 2009, separate to the movies (DC Films). Therefore, DC Studios needs its own article because it is a new entity separate to both. Drapionsito (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Zaslav was looking as soon as he arrived to give DC its own production studio, which would group both the movies (what DC Films managed) and everything DC Entertainment (TV, animation and video games) under one umbrella. Source here:

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/dc-warner-bros-discovery-zaslav-hbo-max-1235232185/

David Zaslav, the CEO of the combined companies, and top leadership have been toying with the idea of turning DC into its own solidified content vertical, the sources said.

One insider suggested that Zaslav was less interested in finding a creative guru and more eager to hire someone who had the type of business background needed to keep all the different factions at DC working more harmoniously. Drapionsito (talk) 20:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I've answered the Hana Barbera thing many times... you keep ignoring responses to your posts. HB had an extensive long history that deserves it's own artice.. Cartoon Network was spun off as a separate company.. HB continued and merged into WB Animation.. they aren't exactly the same thing. The long history is the key here.. as opposed to DC Films which existed only for a handful of years and it WAS replaced by DC Studios... with expanded responsibilities. You keep posting the same quotes over and over again does not change any of that. Spanneraol (talk) 20:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Cartoon Network Studios was a division of Hanna-Barbera created in 1994. After the purchase of Turner Broadcasting by Time Warner in 1996, in 1998 Hanna-Barbera and WB Animation merged, and both moved into the same building, and efforts were made to separate Cartoon Network Studios in 2000, then in 2001 Hanna-Barbera died and WB Animation absorbed the production of its IPs. So, it is still a successor of what Hanna-Barbera was, and it is totally understandable that it has its own Wikipedia article because it is its own entity. DC Studios is too, and it manages both what DC Entertainment was in charge of (TV, animation and video games) since 2009, and what DC Films managed (the movies) since 2016. It is not difficult to understand. Drapionsito (talk) 20:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

HB and Cartoon Network both had different long histories separate of each other. Do you not understand that? It would not make sense to combine them because the articles and histories would be too long for one article. Not the case here. DC Entertainment by the way still exists as it managed the comic books and merchandising.. which are not under DC Studios. Spanneraol (talk) 20:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

And that answers my question on the different thread. Thanks! Brayden8881 (talk) 20:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

There are no sources saying DC Studios replaced DC Entertainment, which still exists and that source does not disprove that. Cartoon Network is not related to this discussion and that is an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument which I won't entertain. Companies are not "born", they are created and many change hands, names, etc. over time. If Wikipedia created an article for every time a company changed its name or there was a merger or replacement, it would get needlessly cluttered. If there were two separate articles for the different iterations of this studio, there would be too much overlap and too little details to warrant a split. We have rules, policies, and guidelines to follow on Wikipedia that trump whatever you think ought to be done, and no amount of new discussions, points, arguments, or sources are going to change this consensus (or lack thereof) regarding the changes you are proposing, which is getting admittedly tiresome to attempt to keep track of. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

But let's see, there are no sources that say DC Films is dead either, but it is. DC Films was in charge of live-action movies since 2016, and that is now handled by DC Studios, a NEW ENTITY. DC Entertainment was in charge of TV, animation and video games since 2009, and DC Studios is in charge of that as well.

DC Films and DC Entertainment have no bosses or structure because they disappeared, DC Studios is an entity formed to manage everything as a whole, for the first time in the company. There are DC Studios and DC Comics, there are only two DC companies within WBD. Drapionsito (talk) 20:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Would it make sense to propose this not here, but at DC Entertainment's page instead, since it seems like Studios simply just overtook Entertainment's role? Brayden8881 (talk) 20:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Of course, DC Studios was born in 2022 to take over what was managed by DC Entertainment (since 2009) and DC Films, under WB Pictures, separately. For the first time in the company everything is managed under a newly created division called DC Studios.

Therefore, DC Films needs your article to specify that the division ceased to exist after the birth of DC Studios, and DC Entertainment as well. Drapionsito (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

After the birth of DC Studios, not only DC Films dies, DC Entertainment dies. This is in DC Entertainment's own Wikipedia article, don't try to gloss over it:

On April 14, 2022, after the merger of parent company WarnerMedia with Discovery, Inc., it was reported that the company was exploring a restructuring of DC Entertainment into a "solidified content vertical" more akin to Marvel, with its film, television, and video game development brought directly under DC with a central leader, rather than being handled by other Warner Bros. subsidiaries on its behalf. Drapionsito (talk) 20:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

DC Entertainment still exists and DC Films ceased to exist because it was replaced by DC Studios, it's successor. There is not enough content on this page to warrant a split into two separate articles.Spanneraol (talk) 20:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

The article literally tells you that Zaslav is transforming DC Entertainment into what was later announced as DC Studios, and DC Films died. In any case, DC Studios is the successor to DC Entertainment, not DC Films (to both, rather). It's impressive how you are in denial in the face of sources and facts. Goodness gracious. Drapionsito (talk) 20:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

DC Entertainment is still in existence, it is run by Jim Lee and manages the comic book company and associated character IP rights. The point here is that there is not enough content to warrant a split of DC Films and DC Studios. Spanneraol (talk) 20:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

That is handled by DC Comics. I've given you the sources, DC Studio manages what DC Entertainment used to do. Drapionsito (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

DC Entertainment is defunct because it was created to manage all branches of DC outside of comics, turning DC Comics into a division. DC Studios was created and is separate from DC Comics, therefore DC Comics is under WB as well as DC Studios. DC Entertainment no longer exists. The licenses and characters are under WBEI, so it is credited because DC Entertainment no longer exists. That is misinformation. Find me a recent source after DC Studios was created that mentions DC Entertainment. There isn't one, it was only mentioned when Zaslav explored the reorganization of DC Entertainment, and the sources I've already provided you with. Drapionsito (talk) 21:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

In case you missed the point, both DC Studios and DC Comics are under WB Entertainment. DC Entertainment no longer exists since DC Studios was born. And the same with DC Films, both disappeared. Drapionsito (talk) 21:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

DC Comics is a division of DC Entertainment. 21:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

dc studios was renamed from dc films are you actually too slow in your head to understand this? It doesnt matter what gunn says. The rename happened. Why you think wikipedia didnt make 2 sites ik the first place? Because its literally dc films with a new name. It doesnt matter how much things changed, its still formerly dc films. That also makes every dc movie that released after the rename a dc studios production because its not called dc films anymore. Get used to facts 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 20:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

DC Films isn't even a studio my god, it wasn't even a company. What David Zaslav himself did was REORGANIZE DC ENTERTAINMENT, not DC FILMS. Because there was nothing to reorganize there, they decided to create DC Studios and give it all the responsibilities of DC Entertainment and kill DC Films, read the sources my god. It's in the DC Entertainment article.

On April 14, 2022, after the merger of parent company WarnerMedia with Discovery, Inc., it was reported that the company was exploring a restructuring of DC Entertainment into a "solidified content vertical" more akin to Marvel, with its film, television, and video game development brought directly under DC with a central leader, rather than being handled by other Warner Bros. subsidiaries on its behalf.

Source:

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/dc-warner-bros-discovery-zaslav-hbo-max-1235232185/

David Zaslav, the CEO of the combined companies, and top leadership have been toying with the idea of turning DC into its own solidified content vertical, the sources said.

One insider suggested that Zaslav was less interested in finding a creative guru and more eager to hire someone who had the type of business background needed to keep all the different factions at DC working more harmoniously.

Drapionsito (talk) 21:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

You keep posting the same damn thing over and over again. That quote says nothing about turning DC Entertainment into DC Studios.. it just talks about a restructuring of DC Entertainment.. which is what happened. The company still exists and as the website says "DC Entertainment consists of the comic book publisher DC Comics and its associated intellectual properties." No one said DC Films was a "studio".. it was a division under WB that produced DC based films.. it's responsibilities were moved to the new DC Studios and given greater responsibilities over TV, video games, etc. Spanneraol (talk) 21:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

DC Entertainment managed TV, animation and video games. Zaslav turned DC Entertainment into DC Studios, and had them take over DC Films as well. Is that so hard to understand? Drapionsito (talk) 21:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

The restructuring started at DC Entertainment, so DC Studios is not the successor to DC Films, it is a new entity that took over the responsibilities of DC Films. In any case, DC Studios is the successor to DC Entertainment, because that's where Zaslav started the reorganization to turn DC into an independent studio. Drapionsito (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

no one turned dc entertainment into dc studios lmao. You just make up lies here and then post "proof" which are the words of an known liar called jamed gunn. A person who lost a court case against nicole perlman btw because he tried to claim credit for her work. And then you come here like "but gunn said..." lmao no one cares. Its the same company and was renamed. Stop living in denial of reality. You behave like a cultist 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 21:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

The sources I have posted have nothing to do with James Gunn and are from many months before the creation of DC Studios. David Zaslav reorganized DC Entertainment with the goal of finding a leader who would be in charge of what would later become DC Studios. You have zero reading comprehension or some deficiency, because it's not normal for you to respond that way. You're lucky I can't insult you, but what a barbarity, you're not smart at all. Drapionsito (talk) 21:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Not only your source doesnt mean shit its also 6months before the rename happened, this is your "proof"? Are you actually denying that a rename happened? Why dont you ask wikipedia why there arent 2 sites in the first place? You the guy who said on threads "i'm getting cooked ok wikipedia" huh? Such a gunn cultist, the rename happened, its the same company. Can you accept facts please? 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 21:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Why do you keep saying name change? If I have literally shoved in your face a myriad of sources that tell you that it is a newly created entity, created only in 2022, FOR THE FIRST TIME. Zaslav reorganized DC Entertainment and was looking to create DC Studios as soon as he got to the WBD CEO position, and it ended up happening months later. Drapionsito (talk) 21:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

DC Entertainment was originally a nebulous branch of WB that handled a lot of different things related to DC, after the restructuring DC Entertainment was put in charge of the comic book company and IP maintenance... DC Studios was created to take over for DC Films and handle production of DC movies, tv etc. No one is saying DC Studios is not a new entity.. but even you admit it took over what DC Films had been doing. The only issue is should this article be split into two articles or maintained as one. Spanneraol (talk) 21:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I am not going to discuss this anymore, you can close the discussion. But no, DC Studios does not assume the responsibilities of DC Films as a successor, it is a separate DC entity created for the first time, that didn't exist before. For that simple fact it has to have its own article. Nice talking to you, I'm out. Drapionsito (talk) 21:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

But I want to tell you one thing, tone it down a bit and stop calling me a Gunn cultist, I just want Wikipedia to be a reliable source to go to, and it's not, unfortunately. You shouldn't be proud of that. I'll pass on further discussion because you're all, especially you, in absolute denial despite the sources, which have nothing to do with James Gunn (so that thing about him lying and you can't trust him doesn't apply here).

DC Studios is a newly created division that didn't exist before and therefore doesn't have to be in the same article as a division of WB Pictures dedicated to movies. DC Studios is not born as a successor, it is born as a new and separate entity, created for the reasons I specified, to return to DC its own solidified content vertical. It's super tiresome that you guys refuse to accept reality despite the sources. But whatever, in a couple of years it will have to be separated for obvious reasons. It's been somewhat amusing with an illiterate like you. Drapionsito (talk) 21:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Your whole argument with DC Entertainment becoming DC Studios is WP:SYNTHESIS as no sources have directly stated what you are saying here. There is no consensus to split this article. I don't condone the IP's uncivil remarks nor do I condone those you have also made here (and I encourage everyone to remain civil), though repeating the same rationale without actual evidence and your own interpretation of the sources is unlikely to change the consensus. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

No, I'm not saying DC Studios was a replacement for DC Entertainment, I'm saying it ASSUMED all the responsibilities of DC Entertainment (TV, animation and video games) and DC Films (movies). It's a newly created separate entity that takes on all of that, so it's sort of a successor to both. Drapionsito (talk) 21:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

It did not assume all the responsibilities since it did not take over the comic book company. I thought you were done arguing? Spanneraol (talk) 21:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

If you dont want to be called a gunn cultist stop behaving like one! You make up lies and your "proofs" dont prove anything. You speculate based on the words of a known liar. I'm asking you again: are you actually denying that a rename from dc films into dc studios happened on november 1st 2022? 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 21:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

On November 1, 2022, DC Studios was founded, a newly created separate entity charged with managing what was taken away from DC Entertainment (and probably disappeared after that), which was DC TV, animation and video games, and DC Films (which was under WB Pictures), which was DC's live-action movies.

There is no name change because it is a newly created entity as the sources indicate, and as Zaslav himself was trying to form 6 months before DC Studios existed. To turn DC into its own entity that grouped all branches of the company under a single leader (which in the end, were two, Gunn and Safran).

On April 14, 2022, after the merger of parent company WarnerMedia with Discovery, Inc., it was reported that the company was exploring a restructuring of DC Entertainment into a "solidified content vertical" more akin to Marvel, with its film, television, and video game development brought directly under DC with a central leader, rather than being handled by other Warner Bros. subsidiaries on its behalf.

Source:

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/dc-warner-bros-discovery-zaslav-hbo-max-1235232185/

David Zaslav, the CEO of the combined companies, and top leadership have been toying with the idea of turning DC into its own solidified content vertical, the sources said.

One insider suggested that Zaslav was less interested in finding a creative guru and more eager to hire someone who had the type of business background needed to keep all the different factions at DC working more harmoniously. Drapionsito (talk) 21:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

no it was renamed. Variety, thr and so on just reported way too fast on a subject and the big news on that day wasnt dc studios. It was gunn becoming co ceo. No one cared about anything else, nor do they now. Other sources that came out later that day report that it was renamed

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/warner-bros-discovery-replaces-dc-films-dc-studios/

https://brandfetch.com/blog/dc-studios-new-logo-and-brand

https://uproxx.com/movies/dc-studios-james-gunn-peter-safran-named-leaders/

Why should wikipedia not make a new site for dc studios and go by the words of these websites when bigger sites like variety, thr and so on say something different in their articles, which also went viral in social media? Go ask warner for documents which year dc studios was created, it was 2016. A rename and a new leadership dont make it a new company. Accept facts or deny them idc. In my opinion you are an triggered gunn cultist who puts the words of his favourite director above actual facts 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 21:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Also the reason why some sites use the words "new entity" or "replaced" is because thats what its actually is. Because dc films was its own entity within WARNER BROTHERS PICTURES but dc studios became its own entity within WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY. This doesnt mean dc studios is a new company, its still a rename of sc films but idk why i'm even explaining you this you are literally hallucinating "facts" 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 22:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Your arguments are absurd. I leave you here a mention that DC Studios is a new entity by Warner Bros. Discovery itself, on its official website:

Warner Bros. Discovery: “Peter Safran is Co-Chairman & Co-Chief Executive Officer of DC Studios, a newly formed division of Warner Bros. Discovery” https://www.wbd.com/leadership/peter-safran Drapionsito (talk) 22:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, because for the 3rd time: it is a newly formed division WITHIN WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY. Are you too dumb to understand that dc films was its own division within warner brothers picutres and NOT warner brothers discovery? That doesnt make it a new company. You are pure speculating and dobt even ubderstand the "proof" you are providing 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 22:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

It is a new entity. Don't you understand the concept of new? It is new. Created for the first time, it did not exist before. Therefore there is no name change and it is not the same division. Drapionsito (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Again for people who are not good at reading: the DIVISION dc studios WITHIN WARNER BROS DISCOVERY is NEWLY FORMED. Why? Because there hasnt been this division within warner bros discovery! That makes THE DIVISION dc studios NEWLY FORMED! But that doesnt mean that its new company!!! Nor does it contradict that it was created in 2016 under the name DC Films!!!

"Peter Safran is Co-Chairman & Co-Chief Executive Officer of DC Studios, a newly formed division of Warner Bros. Discovery."

This is the literally quote, you left out the "of warner bros discovery" multiple times so i assume you just act like you dont understand what is meant by that! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 00:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

If it was just shifting the division from WBP to WBD as you say, I don't think they would use the verbiage "newly formed division." At least, they would later clarify that the studio was initially formed in 2016, or that it was being renamed from DC Films. The fact that they don't say any of the sort makes it seem like a "newly formed division" is truly what it is. THR also said DC Studios would "replace DC Films." Prefall 00:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

What you think dont matter, they also dont need to clarify anything to make it more understandable. And there is also no word of replacing dc films in the link you both provided and left out the most important part when you quoted it! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:3CFE:A8E3:3370:4F3F (talk) 00:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

What matters is what reliable sources say, and reliable sources say it is a newly formed division. And the "replace" line is at the end of the second paragraph. Prefall 00:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Which reliable source is refering to something official from warner other than the link you both provided? Which says "OF WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY". Why you still leave that part out? Provide a source 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:3CFE:A8E3:3370:4F3F (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Still waiting for an source where they say "replace dc films" and is refering to something official from warner. If they refer to the link you both sent, it can be assumed that "replace dc films" was added by the writer without evidence, since warner never said anything about replacing dc films. This is the way you guys defined credible and reliable sources right? Provide proof for your claims or it simply isnt true. 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:522:3149:A653:5E18 (talk) 11:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Entertainment Weekly also said it's replacing DC Films. You can say these were "added by the writer without evidence", or that "newly formed division" is being misinterpreted, but there is nothing to the contrary. None of these sources say this is merely a restructuring or a rebranding. Prefall 16:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

wow its getting really pathetic right now. There is so much misleading information yiu just spread here. The source you linked cant refer to anything official from warner except the link you guys already provided and which does not say "replace dc films" at any time. Secondly, the source you linked said "The new division will replace DC Films" which is totally correct because dc films division within WARNER BROTHERS PICTURES is beeing replaced by the new division WITHING WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY. That doesnt mean a company is beeing replaced nor does it contradict that dc studios was created in 2016 as dc films. Also you cant just call any source that doesnt fit your narrative not credible enough when the sources you provided cant refer to anything official. Bigger names dont mean they are correct all the time, i guess you'll have to learn that yet 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:46FA:A4AF:D946:CCDB (talk) 17:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

By newly formed division at Warner Bros. Discovery they mean the conglomerate itself. It is the first time that a division entirely dedicated to DC has been created that brings together all branches (film, TV, animation and video games). It is a new company. 2001:1388:1640:F4CE:6186:5DC5:473E:1812 (talk) 16:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

no they meant exactly what they said, "the new DIVISION will replace dc films", which is true because the division within warner brothers pictures has been replaced by a NEWLY FORMED division within warner brothers discovery. But a newly formed division dont mean a new company is required. It also dont matter how much more power the division now has, that has nothing to do with the company itself. You guys keep twisting the word in your favour or come uo with sources which cant refer to anything official 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:46FA:A4AF:D946:CCDB (talk) 18:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Reliable sources explicitly say it was not merely a renaming. THR: "a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films." / Variety: "a newly created production entity" / WBD themselves: "a newly formed division" Prefall 21:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

No one is saying it was. It is still a successor company and has common history. There is no reason for a content split. Spanneraol (talk) 21:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

They don't have a common story because DC Studios is something new that Zaslav wanted to create after becoming CEO of WBD. Turning DC into its own solidified content vertical, as sources indicate, many months before the formation of DC Studios. And that started with a restructuring at DC Entertainment. DC Films had nothing to do with it, it disappeared with the departure of Walter Hamada and WB Pictures took over the responsibilities for the films that were still in the works, with DC Studios giving notes, nothing more. It's simple. Drapionsito (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't think 'are DC Studios and DC Films synonymous' is relevant to if they share a common history, which they plainly do. A thing purpose built to fill the shoes of a past thing has a continuous history with it by virtue of being iterations of the same thing, even if they're very, very different iterations.

Afaik a lot of decisions about article splitting end up being whatever's pragmatic and A) I don't think DC Studios has enough history on its own to warrant a separate article at this time as it's only existed for a few short years and been partially involved in the production of one released TV series, and B) DC Films' history is directly relevant to DC Studios', anyways, and would presumably be restated for context in a brand new DC Studios article.

I do think the article should make very clear that DC Studios, the film studio/production division within WBD, isn't DC Films, the label within Warner Bros. Pictures, but it's not like the article doesn't draw that line. It'd be more of a question of 'should we rephrase certain sections to make the distinction more plainly stated. 136.35.180.148 (talk) 00:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

The IP user I responded to is saying it was. I said nothing about a split. Prefall 21:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Of course, the new DC Studios article, if it should manage to be created, should start with that, David Zaslav's intentions to create a studio of his own for DC, which did not exist before. That's how it came about, it's not an ''evolution'' or a ''name change'' for DC Films. They are separate things, DC Studios is something new. DC Films ceased to exist after the departure of Walter Hamada. Drapionsito (talk) 21:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)