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Last sentence of "Criticism over "director-driven" mandate"
Wasnt it revealed that it wasnt WB or DC that wanted the No Mans Land scene cut?? Here is the article: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/09/05/wonder-woman-jenkins-no-mans-scene/ its misleading and should be deleted.Phoenix (talk) 12:38, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Logo
Please anyone update logo of DC Films. Take a look at DC Films official account here : https://www.facebook.com/429023340629945/posts/432033080328971/ Thangs Thangasamy (talk) 06:58, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Production Library doesn't include TV Shows
The Production Library section in DC Films (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/DC_Films) doesn't have any TV Shows or anything else. It stops at Films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyberfrenzy27 (talk • contribs) 21:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is DC Films, not DC Television. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
DC Studios rebrand
Due to WBD's corporate studio reconstruction, the studio might create "DC Studios." So the studio may incorporate a TV division, "DC Television," as the company has been making some TV shows under the DCEU brand. It's plausible further projects will be moved to DC Films (DC Studios). — Preceding unsigned comment added by MegaSmike46 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Ok. Source? InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:03, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
- Let's just keep in mind until further confirmation. https://deadline.com/2022/06/david-zaslav-thrilled-toby-emmerich-remaining-part-of-warner-discovery-family-outlines-new-studio-structure-1235036864/ MegaSmike46 (talk) 22:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
Page move
This is now official. Per THR, Gunn and Safran's hirings (and presumably, the name change) goes in effect on November 1, so we should not move this page until then. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:21, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
- Just curious, but DC Studios is being labeled a new division at WBD rather than a continuation of the DC Films subsidiary. It might make more sense to create a new page for DC Studios (film division) rather than move this one. (Currently, DC Studios redirects here to DC Films.) Playhouse76 (talk) 21:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
- It's DC Films' replacement/successor, so for now I don't think there's a need to create a separate article unless we find out later that it's highly distinct from DC Films. Also, DC Studios redirects here because I made it so an hour ago, if there is to be a new article it can be located at DC Studios since it's the obvious primary topic (though one might argue that's somewhat WP:SPECULATION). InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
- Will this require a 'requested moves' to be started, in which case you should probably start it now? Or do you anticipate it will be an uncontroversial/technical move request? To that end, I think it was a bit premature to create the DC Studios redirect, as this makes it more of a technical move than it had to be. Criticalus (talk) 02:45, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- This is 100% uncontroversial, so a RM is not necessary. I will make the move when the time comes, unless another page mover gets to it first. The DC Studios redirect was left behind after I moved the video game developer, and I'm not sure why you would find it premature. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:15, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- Will this require a 'requested moves' to be started, in which case you should probably start it now? Or do you anticipate it will be an uncontroversial/technical move request? To that end, I think it was a bit premature to create the DC Studios redirect, as this makes it more of a technical move than it had to be. Criticalus (talk) 02:45, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
- It's DC Films' replacement/successor, so for now I don't think there's a need to create a separate article unless we find out later that it's highly distinct from DC Films. Also, DC Studios redirects here because I made it so an hour ago, if there is to be a new article it can be located at DC Studios since it's the obvious primary topic (though one might argue that's somewhat WP:SPECULATION). InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
Recreate DC Films article
Wouldn't be a good idea to recreate the DC Films article, separating DC Studios of this former incarnation? I think listing DC Films productions (like CW series) in the DC Studios production library is not coherent. As already stated by official sources, DC Studios is not a new name for the old DC Films, but a newly formed studio, whose first ever CEOs are James Gunn and Peter Safran (as already said in a tweet by Gunn). 2804:2968:1015:1670:7966:D997:27EE:3D5C (talk) 08:50, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
- I would oppose a split at this time, it's still too early in my opinion. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:09, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
Redirect hatnote
IP, regarding this revert, I don't see how the hatnote makes anything more confusing (in fact, that's contrary to the hatnote's purpose), and you have not provided a valid reason why it should be removed. The fact that it is also linked under Production library
is irrelevant, DC Films redirects to this page so it is entirely plausible that some may be looking for a list of DC films when they type "DC Films". As for Marvel Studios, a redirect hatnote is also warranted, so I'll add one over there. InfiniteNexus (talk) 05:46, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
Multiple projects in development hell.
What's the matter of keep maintain a series of movies in supossed development when has no any update in years. The leadership, and the focus, of the studios has change. We need to clean up all the section of future projects that won't never be released.OscarFercho (talk) 06:11, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
Define proper categories for readers
Now new chapter of DCU studios is announced so please create a separate table with title as DCU with subsection as FILMS,TV/ANIMATION projects etc. then create a table with title DCEU and related films/tv/animation and another table with title as ELSE WORLD projects. This will help readers to find topic of interest and make content more readable. Razkverma (talk) 03:59, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
Separate DC Studios and DC Films pages
DC studios should have a new wikipedia page and not be included in DC films. DC films would end with 2023 slate going into the new DCU after the reboot. The page in it's current form creates confusion.
Just like how DC films was decided to be starting from Suicide Squad film and doesn't include the earlier DCEU movies like Man of Steel and BvS, DC studios shouldn't include DCEU as well. 122.148.204.197 (talk) 04:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
- Is there a source for that? Moyema (talk) 12:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
- DC Studios is essentially just a rebranding of DC Films, they don't really need separate articles. Spanneraol (talk) 17:59, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
- This is a rebranding, not a new or separate unit. When DC Films started, it was a different case because it was a new unit of DC Entertainment. But this is just DC Films under a new name, led by different people.— Starforce13 18:44, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
- DC Studios is essentially just a rebranding of DC Films, they don't really need separate articles. Spanneraol (talk) 17:59, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Superman & Lois
I can't find any source for DC Studios being a producer on the show. At best the editors have cited the article from James Gunn and Peter Safran that they expect the show to continue for one or two seasons on DC Studios page.
I fail to understand how does an expectation by someone equate to being involved in production though. I know DC Studios now has the right to take decisions on every DC media, but that doesn't mean production involvement. For example Flash season 9 doesn't have DC Studios listed. Linkin Prankster (talk) 09:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- DC Studios dosen't just have rights for decisions, Gunn said here that every DC media would fall under DC Studios. And apparently, they don't have an actual logo. BestDaysofMusic (talk) 20:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
DC Studios is NOT a rebranded DC Films
THR: “James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-peter-safran-to-lead-film-tv-division-1235248438/
Variety: “James Gunn and Peter Safran have been tapped as co-chairmen and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly created production entity that will oversee DC properties for Warner Bros. Discovery.” https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-warner-bros-discovery-1235414228/
The Verge: “Warner Bros. Discovery has chosen director James Gunn and producer Peter Safran to lead its recently formed DC Studios division.” https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/25/23423484/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-ceo-dceu
USA Today: “The studio on Tuesday named Gunn and veteran executive Peter Safran co-chairmen and CEOs of the newly formed DC Studios.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2022/10/25/james-gunn-peter-safran-become-ceos-newly-formed-dc-studios/10601719002/
Warner Bros. Discovery: “Peter Safran is Co-Chairman & Co-Chief Executive Officer of DC Studios, a newly formed division of Warner Bros. Discovery” https://www.wbd.com/leadership/peter-safran
James Gunn: “As the new (& first ever) CEOs of DC Studios, Peter & I think it’s important we acknowledge you, the fans” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1589336402873188354
”When Peter and I formed DC Studios we immediately knew what logo we wanted to use.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1816954985760100536
“Last night Peter & I went to the #Penguin premiere, the first DC Studios production.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1836448114950946935
This whole page needs to be split into two and rewritten. DC Films was a separate, now defunct, division, which was replaced with a new studio. 90% of the contents of this page are irrelevant to DC Studios. The production library of this new studio began this week with The Penguin and Super/Man. 184.144.61.138 (talk) 21:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- DC Studios succeeded DC Films and took over its operations and production. The history of DC Films directly affected what became DC Studios, so that is why they share an article. A split of these closely connected articles is not warranted at this time because there is not an excessive amount of detail. Also, rebrands come with different leaders and corporate structures, not always just in name alone. Trailblazer101 (talk) 22:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Even thought James Gunn confirmed it is its own seperate entity entirely in this post? ScottSullivan01 (talk) 23:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Studios was formed as the successor to DC Films and it was reorganized differently from that prior entity. Yes, it is a different entity, but it is still a successor to what was DC Films. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Glad you agree! We should mention it's a successor in the new article. Thanks for sharing! ScottSullivan01 (talk) 22:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Studios was formed as the successor to DC Films and it was reorganized differently from that prior entity. Yes, it is a different entity, but it is still a successor to what was DC Films. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:45, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Even thought James Gunn confirmed it is its own seperate entity entirely in this post? ScottSullivan01 (talk) 23:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- A consensus must be reached once and for all. A NEWLY CREATED DIVISION, not a continuation or rebranding. DC Studios was born as an INDEPENDENT and NEW ENTITY, DC Films (which didn't even exist, it was just a name for the position held by the ''head of DC-Based films'' at Warner Bros. Pictures). DC Studios was born with the purpose of grouping all the branches of DC (films, television, animation and video games) under the same studio. It's not that hard to understand.
- THR: “James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-peter-safran-to-lead-film-tv-division-1235248438/
- James Gunn: “As the new (& first ever) CEOs of DC Studios, Peter & I think it’s important we acknowledge you, the fans” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1589336402873188354
- “Last night Peter & I went to the #Penguin premiere, the first DC Studios production.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1836448114950946935 Drapionsito (talk) 19:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
The listing of DC Studios projects going forward
Currently, every DC project that gets released is being attributed to DC Studios and is listed in this article. This is now an issue because, according to Gunn, The Penguin is the first DC Studios production, yet this article has three other series preceding it. It can no longer be assumed that every DC project will be a DC Studios production just because they have oversight.
A good rule of thumb would be to only list projects where the DC Studios logo is present, or where reliable sources directly tie the project to DC Studios. I believe this criteria would more accurately limit the current listings to The Penguin, Super/Man, Creature Commandos, Peacemaker season two, and the live-action films. Prefall 05:19, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's a failing of those who run Wikipedia, because they think that absolutely everything new from DC (which yes, may be overseen by DC Studios, but are not studio productions) like Teen Titans Go! (new seasons), or movies like Batman Ninja 2 are from DC Studios, when it's not. And yet, there you see them, in the article, being totally wrong. There are no DC Studios executives in those productions, because they are produced by WB Animation and WB Japan respectively, DC Studios is its own entity and there should be their own productions, not just what ''they oversee''. Drapionsito (talk) 16:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- All of the animated films and series included in this article are sourced in their respective articles as falling under DC Studios. I especially know Merry Little Batman, Bat-Family, Crisis on Infinite Earths, Watchmen, Aztec Batman, Batman Ninja 2, My Adventures with Superman, and Caped Crusader are directly sourced in their articles as being credited to DC Studios. That does not necessarily mean the same as being a DC Studios production through-and-through, just that DC Studios is given a credit on those films. As for the others, such as TTG and Harley Quinn, I believe those were included because they were said to be DC Elseworlds, but mainly fall under DC Entertainment and are credited to it, same for The Sandman and Dead Boy Detectives. I will remove those ones. We cannot simply dictate what is and is not credited to DC Studios and what they are or not involved in, we go by the sources and credits available. Just because someone like Gunn is not credited in a series does not mean the studio was not involved. Gunn has said all future works with DC characters will fall under DC Studios, and he previously said earlier this year that all animated works would be the same, which is sourced in many of those articles. We should not deviate from that based on a hunch or interpretation alone. We should stick to the sources. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:46, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Studios does not receive any credit on those productions, just look at the credits of the series. Would you rather trust what a random website says or what appears in the credits of the episodes of the series? DC Studios is not involved in the production of any of that, and it has already been said by James Gunn himself, the studio's first production is The Penguin. The second will be Creature Commandos, the third Superman, and so on. In addition to this, the Super/Man documentary is included since it was a studio acquisition and carries the studio's logo.
- Now, there is no source of any kind anyway, and you're not going to find them because they don't exist. And I'm referring to the claims that these contents are from DC Studios, which they are obviously not. Drapionsito (talk) 21:12, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- We cannot simply dictate what is and is not credited to DC Studios and what they are or not involved in, we go by the sources and credits available. I agree, but DC Studios does not appear to be credited on the productions you listed. For Merry Little Batman, Caped Crusader and My Adventures with Superman, I just sat through the full-length credits myself and did not see a DC Studios mention or logo in any of them. I assume this is the case with the others, as well. Checking their articles, Merry Little Batman cites its DC Studios credit from this THR article, which is very direct, though it is contradicted by the series' own on-screen credits and Gunn's statement; Caped Crusader does not cite its DC Studios credit at all; and My Adventures with Superman cites this interview, which just says that Gunn would not be interfering with their work. Credits tend to be very apparent and these simply aren't solid. Prefall 21:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Because even though DC Studios oversees absolutely every branch of DC, DC Studios has launched its own productions. Teen Titans Go! will probably never be produced directly by DC Studios, but they oversee it because they are entitled to it, and that's not why it should be in the DC Studios article. Only studio productions should be, starting with The Penguin, and those that come with the studio logo. Drapionsito (talk) 22:04, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
DC Films was renamed into DC Studios
Can james gunns annoying fans stop editing misleading informations in this wikipedia? It doesnt matter what james gunn says if it speaks against actual facts. Dc films was renamed into dc studios on november 1st 2022. Dc studios wasnt created on that day, it was created 2016. And a rename means that it isnt called dc films anymore, its called dc studios. Feel free to add a "(formerly known aa DC Films)" behind it, but you cant take out the "DC Studios", because thats what its called. So can we please focus on actual facts and not on what a phatlogocial liar says? Every movie since fury of the gods is a dc studios production, it doesnt matter what gunn says or what logos were used. Stop putting words of a known liar above actual facts. His opinion on things dont matter he just wants to claim the succesful ones! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:387F:75ED:D260:7CAC (talk) 12:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I dont know how this sitw works but i'm replying to the guy who said he watched the credits and didnt find any credits to dc studios. Did you find any dc films credits in said end credits? Nothing you said disconfirms that they are dc studios movies. Also you just have to think logical: gunn and safran are ceo's of dc studios. They have the power about every dc content in live action, animation and games. So them saying "we wont interfere" doesnt make the content not-dc studios. They dont interfere because they dont want, not because they are not allowed. How can they have the power to interfere with prijects if they are not dc studios when its literally the studio they are ceos of? How can they cancel the dceu and reboot th3 universe if they are ceos of dc studios and not dc films? Because its the samw damn thing! Gunn even was directly involved in the 2023 movies by giving notes. And again, it was renamed. That alone shozlf be reason enough because dc films is called dc studios from that moment. Also go do some research when dc studios was created. It was may 2016. So no matter who made this movies or when, if they are released after the rename, its dc studios. Gunn is known for saying whatever fits him, this guy lost a court case against nicole perlman because he tried to claim credits for work an other person has done. His words have no weight and in no universe i can imagine putting the words of an untrustly person above actual facts. Everything since fury of the gods is dc studios. 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:387F:75ED:D260:7CAC (talk) 13:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't want to argue in an uncivil manner, but really, you seem a bit deficient, but apparently it's just your hatred of James Gunn, and that shouldn't be allowed on Wikipedia as you should be fair and concise with information. Teen Titans Go! is not a DC Studios production, neither is Superman & Lois, neither is Gotham Knights, neither is the video game Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League, and neither are the movies Shazam! Fury of the Gods, Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom, The Flash and Blue Beetle. Because each of those DC productions were handled entirely within the corresponding Warner Bros. divisions (Warner Bros. Pictures for the movies, Warner Bros. Television for the TV series, Warner Bros. Animation for the animations, Warner Bros. Games for the video games). That's why all that has been eliminated.
- DC Studios is an entity created to manage all branches of DC from now on (movies, TV, animation and video games). They greenlight their own productions, like the new Dynamic Duo animated movie, Superman, Creature Commandos and everything else. Whatever is made outside of DC Studios, like Batman Ninja vs. Yakuza League, while DC Studios may give notes on it, they are not studio productions, so that's how it works. It's not hard to understand. Don't let your irrational hatred of James Gunn hurt Wikipedia. Drapionsito (talk) 15:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are actually slow in your head. Everything you named was produced by dc films, BUT dc films is called dc studios now. If i rename a company i cant use the old name and yes those were distributed by warner bros. Fury of the gods was produced by dc films. You want to deny that? Yes or no? Dc films was renamed into dc studios on november 1st 2022. You want to deny that? Yes or no? Everything what was produced by dc films before the rename is now dc studios. There is nothing that speaks against actual facts. They bought a documentary and you think its more a dc studios production than the movies they actually produced under a different name? Shazam2 for example, you are literally trying to make a movie which was produced by new line cinema, the safran company and formerly known dc studios a warner bros movie? Yes its a warner bros movie, but they didnt produce it, they distributed it. So stop lying here with your "warner produced them" nonsense! Dc studios produced it, they just had a different name when it happened. Maybe if you wouldnt make up unproven claims it would be easier for you to understand? 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D451:4DD7:731E:4F23 (talk) 16:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Films was a division of WB Pictures, as was New Line Cinema. Walter Hamada's position was ''head of DC-Based films''. The problem is that you think DC Studios is just a name change, and it's not, it's a newly created division as specified in all the articles about the creation of it. A new separate entity created to manage all branches of DC (movies, TV, animation and video games). The studio's first production is The Penguin. Everything else was inherited, not only what was handled by WB Pictures/DC Films, also the TV, animation and video game projects, but the first project of the studio is The Penguin, the second will be Creature Commandos, the third Superman and so on. It is easy to understand! Try a little harder, man! Drapionsito (talk) 17:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are actually slow in your head. Everything you named was produced by dc films, BUT dc films is called dc studios now. If i rename a company i cant use the old name and yes those were distributed by warner bros. Fury of the gods was produced by dc films. You want to deny that? Yes or no? Dc films was renamed into dc studios on november 1st 2022. You want to deny that? Yes or no? Everything what was produced by dc films before the rename is now dc studios. There is nothing that speaks against actual facts. They bought a documentary and you think its more a dc studios production than the movies they actually produced under a different name? Shazam2 for example, you are literally trying to make a movie which was produced by new line cinema, the safran company and formerly known dc studios a warner bros movie? Yes its a warner bros movie, but they didnt produce it, they distributed it. So stop lying here with your "warner produced them" nonsense! Dc studios produced it, they just had a different name when it happened. Maybe if you wouldnt make up unproven claims it would be easier for you to understand? 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D451:4DD7:731E:4F23 (talk) 16:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong opposition to the lies. Sorry but, that's not how it works. It's NOT what you say or what you think, it's reality, and the sources are there. DC Studios is a new separate entity created at Warner Bros. with the need for DC to have its own studio in which all branches of DC (TV, animation and video games besides the movies, which was the only thing that DC Films managed, which NO LONGER EXISTS, and didn't even exist as such, it was never a studio, it was a kind of division of WB Pictures, nothing more). Drapionsito (talk) 15:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- No its not you have no factual proof that dc studios was created because you cant prove lies. You are making up lies because you are obviously one of his cultists. Dc studios was created in 2016 under the name "dc films". Why are all gunn fanboys such liars and refuse to aknowledge facts? 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D451:4DD7:731E:4F23 (talk) 16:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh also your claim that dc studios is its own division now: so was dc films. Dc films was its own division within warner brothers pictures and dc studios is its own division within warner brothers discovery. Your pathetic attempt to make this look like a brand new company csnt be proven. All you said speaks against actual facts and you dare to accuse others of hating someone? You sound like the biggest cultist, nothing you said here is a fact, just speculations. What i said are all facts, but i guess gunn cultists are immune to facts 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D451:4DD7:731E:4F23 (talk) 16:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Bro, are you sure you don't have some kind of deficiency? No offense, it's crazy all the lies you claim because of your irrational hatred of James Gunn when I'm showing you the sources of what I claim:
- THR: “James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-peter-safran-to-lead-film-tv-division-1235248438/
- Variety: “James Gunn and Peter Safran have been tapped as co-chairmen and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly created production entity that will oversee DC properties for Warner Bros. Discovery.” https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-warner-bros-discovery-1235414228/
- The Verge: “Warner Bros. Discovery has chosen director James Gunn and producer Peter Safran to lead its recently formed DC Studios division.” https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/25/23423484/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-ceo-dceu
- USA Today: “The studio on Tuesday named Gunn and veteran executive Peter Safran co-chairmen and CEOs of the newly formed DC Studios.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2022/10/25/james-gunn-peter-safran-become-ceos-newly-formed-dc-studios/10601719002/
- Warner Bros. Discovery: “Peter Safran is Co-Chairman & Co-Chief Executive Officer of DC Studios, a newly formed division of Warner Bros. Discovery” https://www.wbd.com/leadership/peter-safran
- James Gunn: “As the new (& first ever) CEOs of DC Studios, Peter & I think it’s important we acknowledge you, the fans” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1589336402873188354
- ”When Peter and I formed DC Studios we immediately knew what logo we wanted to use.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1816954985760100536
- “Last night Peter & I went to the #Penguin premiere, the first DC Studios production.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1836448114950946935 Drapionsito (talk) 17:59, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oh also your claim that dc studios is its own division now: so was dc films. Dc films was its own division within warner brothers pictures and dc studios is its own division within warner brothers discovery. Your pathetic attempt to make this look like a brand new company csnt be proven. All you said speaks against actual facts and you dare to accuse others of hating someone? You sound like the biggest cultist, nothing you said here is a fact, just speculations. What i said are all facts, but i guess gunn cultists are immune to facts 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D451:4DD7:731E:4F23 (talk) 16:23, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- No its not you have no factual proof that dc studios was created because you cant prove lies. You are making up lies because you are obviously one of his cultists. Dc studios was created in 2016 under the name "dc films". Why are all gunn fanboys such liars and refuse to aknowledge facts? 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D451:4DD7:731E:4F23 (talk) 16:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Even if you subscribe to the idea that DC Studios is an expansion of what was originally DC Films, the studio still has completely different responsibilities now. For the first time, it is an independent division and is no longer intertwined with Warner Bros. Pictures. They also have oversight of all DC media, not just WBP's film slate like before.
- There is a notable distinction between merely having oversight, and directly being involved in production and receiving credit. And thus far, DC Studios has only been credited with The Penguin and Super/Man, as far as released projects go. As for previous projects, none of the ones associated with DC Films have been removed. Shazam 2 through Aquaman 2 are still listed and properly attributed to DC Films. Prefall 16:40, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- It doesnt matter how much changed since the renaming. Its still a renaming! Its still the same company. No one here denied that changes were made. It was you weirdos denying that dc studios was created in 2016 as dc films! Dc studios also wasnt involved with the super/man documentary. Warner brothers bought it, thats it. So based on your logic its also no dc studios production? Just accept facts, dc studios is formerly known as dc films and NOT a new company. This means that everything what was supposed to be dc films production is now called dc studios production. Becausw thats what renaming means, its bot called dc films anymore. And no, warner didnt produce fury of the gods, they distributed it 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D451:4DD7:731E:4F23 (talk) 17:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused on what you're upset about, because this article doesn't dispute anything you're saying. The studio being created in 2016 is noted, along with the rebranding, and DC Films productions are still listed, along with DC Studios productions. But a line has to be drawn somewhere, since DC Films and DC Studios are not 1:1 identical. Also, the fact that they slapped the DC Studios logo on Super/Man makes it a DC Studios production, whether anyone likes that or not. It's their studio and they're going to do with it what they want. We are not in a position to give credit or absolve credit based on what we personally believe their contributions to be—we can only include what they give us, and what can be supported by reliable sources. Prefall 17:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Who said they are identical? No one here arguing about it, stop the cope, its the same company. Its not a new company, so what exactly is your problem here? Dc films produces shazam 2 but it was renamed into dc studios before its release so its a dc studios production. What about this is so hard for you weirdos to understand? You either deny that a rename happened or you agree that everything since the rename is dc studios. You cant just pick what you want, same as gunn cant just claim the ones he slapped an logo on. Why would he give notes to movies which werent dc studios productions? And we not only talk about the old ones, he also gave notes to todd phillips joker 2, but his notes got rejected. You are coping so hard with "but gunn said this and that", no one cares bro. The rename happened, that means its the same company, that means dc films is called dc studios since the rename. Yes, we know a lot has changed. You dont have to cope to it 24/7. And no, the words of an phatological liar cant make a rename unhappened! Wont even bother to read the rest of your nonsense, you already agreed that the rename happened and its the same company. Keep arguing with yourself about the rest 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:FB33:E096:D0C4:2C3B (talk) 18:27, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is incredible that you dedicate yourself to tell so many lies in front of a discussion made to solve something that is wrong in Wikipedia, a site that should be reliable and have concise and correct information in all its articles so that people go to them and get informed correctly.
- DC Studios is a newly created separate entity at Warner Bros. FOR THE FIRST TIME to bring all branches of DC (movies, TV, animation and video games) under one production studio.
- DC Films (informal name, i.e., just like the DC Extended Universe, it is not an official name because it is not a real division) was a sort of division in charge of overseeing DC-based films (hence the name of the ''Head of DC-Based films'' position held by Walter Hamada). DC Studios, being born for the first time as a separate and new entity in the company, assumes the responsibilities that managed WB Pictures/DC Films and everything else DC (TV, animation and video games), being the only company able to greenlight DC productions within WBD, everything is under DC Studios, being a full-fledged production studio created for the first time. Here are the sources, which you seem to completely pass on reading:
- THR: “James Gunn and producer Peter Safran have been tapped to lead DC’s film, TV and animation efforts as co-chairs and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-peter-safran-to-lead-film-tv-division-1235248438/
- Variety: “James Gunn and Peter Safran have been tapped as co-chairmen and co-CEOs of DC Studios, a newly created production entity that will oversee DC properties for Warner Bros. Discovery.” https://variety.com/2022/biz/news/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-warner-bros-discovery-1235414228/
- The Verge: “Warner Bros. Discovery has chosen director James Gunn and producer Peter Safran to lead its recently formed DC Studios division.” https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/25/23423484/james-gunn-peter-safran-dc-studios-ceo-dceu
- USA Today: “The studio on Tuesday named Gunn and veteran executive Peter Safran co-chairmen and CEOs of the newly formed DC Studios.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2022/10/25/james-gunn-peter-safran-become-ceos-newly-formed-dc-studios/10601719002/
- Warner Bros. Discovery: “Peter Safran is Co-Chairman & Co-Chief Executive Officer of DC Studios, a newly formed division of Warner Bros. Discovery” https://www.wbd.com/leadership/peter-safran
- James Gunn: “As the new (& first ever) CEOs of DC Studios, Peter & I think it’s important we acknowledge you, the fans” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1589336402873188354
- ”When Peter and I formed DC Studios we immediately knew what logo we wanted to use.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1816954985760100536
- “Last night Peter & I went to the #Penguin premiere, the first DC Studios production.” https://x.com/jamesgunn/status/1836448114950946935
- Drapionsito (talk) 18:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- i didnt want to but when i see so much dumbness i have to reply. Dc films was also its own entity within warner brothers pictures. Same as dc studios is now within warner bros discovery. Are you actually arguing here about dc films when you dont even know what it was? Its literally dc studios old name. And of course gunn and safran are the first ceos of dc studios because dc films never had ceo's, i cant velieve how dumb you actually are to provide this as proof. You only have to read the words he say to understand it. Why woulf he say "we are the first ceo's of dc studios ever" when it would be a brand new company? Because it isnt. Its dc films, just renamed. And yes dc films was also overseeing animation, shows, movies and games. How can you come here and act like its something new when its literally the same since 2016. They just didnt force to connect everything like gunn does. And if someone like jamea gunn says something that speaks against actual facts then its simply a lie. I know its hard for the gunn cultists to accept that but try to learn. You agreed the rename happened and its the same company. I even replied to all your lies here, now move on with that big fat L! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:FB33:E096:D0C4:2C3B (talk) 18:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Studios was not born in 2016 because DC Studios is a full-fledged production studio of its own, with its own executives. And it was formed in 2022. DC Films was a name to call a division of WB Pictures that Geoff Johns and Jon Berg led from 2016, and then came Walter Hamada, but their positions were ''heads of DC-Based films production''. Hence the name DC Films, which is literally just a name to call a ''sort of'' division that oversaw DC films. It was never a studio, DC Studios is the first time DC has had a studio, and it does so by managing all branches of DC under one team of people, with their own offices, their own executives and so on. The facts are there, and so are the sources, which are articles written even by Warner Bros. Discovery itself, so it is on their executive website, mentioning as it is that DC Studios is a newly created production entity. Now, don't write more stuff without giving solid facts and solid basis for your arguments, because it's just disrespectful and nonsensical stuff. Drapionsito (talk) 23:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- i didnt want to but when i see so much dumbness i have to reply. Dc films was also its own entity within warner brothers pictures. Same as dc studios is now within warner bros discovery. Are you actually arguing here about dc films when you dont even know what it was? Its literally dc studios old name. And of course gunn and safran are the first ceos of dc studios because dc films never had ceo's, i cant velieve how dumb you actually are to provide this as proof. You only have to read the words he say to understand it. Why woulf he say "we are the first ceo's of dc studios ever" when it would be a brand new company? Because it isnt. Its dc films, just renamed. And yes dc films was also overseeing animation, shows, movies and games. How can you come here and act like its something new when its literally the same since 2016. They just didnt force to connect everything like gunn does. And if someone like jamea gunn says something that speaks against actual facts then its simply a lie. I know its hard for the gunn cultists to accept that but try to learn. You agreed the rename happened and its the same company. I even replied to all your lies here, now move on with that big fat L! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:FB33:E096:D0C4:2C3B (talk) 18:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm confused on what you're upset about, because this article doesn't dispute anything you're saying. The studio being created in 2016 is noted, along with the rebranding, and DC Films productions are still listed, along with DC Studios productions. But a line has to be drawn somewhere, since DC Films and DC Studios are not 1:1 identical. Also, the fact that they slapped the DC Studios logo on Super/Man makes it a DC Studios production, whether anyone likes that or not. It's their studio and they're going to do with it what they want. We are not in a position to give credit or absolve credit based on what we personally believe their contributions to be—we can only include what they give us, and what can be supported by reliable sources. Prefall 17:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- It doesnt matter how much changed since the renaming. Its still a renaming! Its still the same company. No one here denied that changes were made. It was you weirdos denying that dc studios was created in 2016 as dc films! Dc studios also wasnt involved with the super/man documentary. Warner brothers bought it, thats it. So based on your logic its also no dc studios production? Just accept facts, dc studios is formerly known as dc films and NOT a new company. This means that everything what was supposed to be dc films production is now called dc studios production. Becausw thats what renaming means, its bot called dc films anymore. And no, warner didnt produce fury of the gods, they distributed it 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D451:4DD7:731E:4F23 (talk) 17:25, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think you need to take a step back and leave personal biases out of the pursuit of the truth. Your illiterate demeanor towards others is unacceptable and won't help your case. Please focus on providing legitimate sources for your claims. There is no place for heresy here. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 19:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- You started this with accusing others of lying, its not a new company and its a rename of dc films. That automatically makes every dc movie that dc films produced and wasnt released yet, an dc studios production. You can keep crying about it and bring the words of an known liar as "proof" how much you want. The rename happened and dc studios is formerly known as dc films. Thats a fact you'll have to live with i guess 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:FB33:E096:D0C4:2C3B (talk) 20:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with your position re: DC Films.. but it doesn't help the argument to make personal attacks and the anti-Gunn stuff... that's really irrelevant for this issue. Spanneraol (talk) 21:01, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- This seems like something you're really passionate and emotional about. However, we really ask you to provide credible news sources to support your claim. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 21:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- You can also look up any other dc wiki sites they all say the same, it was was renamed and formerly known as dc films, you know why? Because thats exactly what happened! Now his cultists try to claim only the succesful projects as dc studios productions. And yes gunn and safran are the first dc studios (dc films) ceos ever. Because dc films never had ceos, they had a president, walter hamada. Dc films was overseeing the same things dc studios oversees, the only difference is that dc films didnt force a connection between them all. Its the same company, so everything that released after the rename is a dc studios production! How can you even deny that when you agree that the rename happened like what is your explanation? How exactly can these movies not be dc studios productions when dc films literally produced them before the company was renamed? Yall come up with the dumbest kind of "proof", which half of those is james gunn spreading lies. How can we even argue about all this when this guy literally slapped a logo on a bought documentary where dc studios had literally zero involvment in and none of you questioning it. Stop taking James gunns words as proof, they are not. This guy tried to claim credit for Nicole perlmans work. Nothing out of his mouth should be considered as fact. It cant, because it speaks against actual facts! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:FB33:E096:D0C4:2C3B (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, there was something missing in my reply. this is my full reply:
- You can also look up any other dc wiki sites they all say the same, it was was renamed and formerly known as dc films, you know why? Because thats exactly what happened! Now his cultists try to claim only the succesful projects as dc studios productions. And yes gunn and safran are the first dc studios (dc films) ceos ever. Because dc films never had ceos, they had a president, walter hamada. Dc films was overseeing the same things dc studios oversees, the only difference is that dc films didnt force a connection between them all. Its the same company, so everything that released after the rename is a dc studios production! How can you even deny that when you agree that the rename happened like what is your explanation? How exactly can these movies not be dc studios productions when dc films literally produced them before the company was renamed? Yall come up with the dumbest kind of "proof", which half of those is james gunn spreading lies. How can we even argue about all this when this guy literally slapped a logo on a bought documentary where dc studios had literally zero involvment in and none of you questioning it. Stop taking James gunns words as proof, they are not. This guy tried to claim credit for Nicole perlmans work. Nothing out of his mouth should be considered as fact. It cant, because it speaks against actual facts! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:FB33:E096:D0C4:2C3B (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Idk why its not working. This is the first part of my reply:
- https://uproxx.com/movies/dc-studios-james-gunn-peter-safran-named-leaders/ 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:FB33:E096:D0C4:2C3B (talk) 21:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why this not working???? I try to send multiple links
- What source??? That it was renamed? There were many articles even before the rename official happened. Only because some big sites who reported superficial on this subject and used the word "create", doesnt mean it wasnt a rename. The way bigger news at that time was that gunn becomes ceo.
- https://comicbook.com/movies/news/warner-bros-discovery-replaces-dc-films-dc-studios/
- https://brandfetch.com/blog/dc-studios-new-logo-and-brand
- https://uproxx.com/movies/dc-studios-james-gunn-peter-safran-named-leaders/ 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:FB33:E096:D0C4:2C3B (talk) 21:49, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Films was never a studio, it was a division ''in name'' nothing more, with no offices of its own, under Warner Bros. Pictures, which only oversaw DC films, nothing more, Walter Hamada's position was ''head of DC-Based films production''. DC Studios was created within Warner Bros. for the first time, it didn't exist before. It is a production studio, with its own executives, in addition to the two CEOs (Gunn and Safran), they have executives for marketing, communications, producers, and so on. DC Films was just Hamada, because it wasn't a studio, it was him overseeing the DC films within WB Pictures. Drapionsito (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- So there is no name change because DC Studios is a newly created entity that did not exist before. Never before in the history of Time Warner/WarnerMedia/Warner Bros. Discovery has there been a DC production studio overseeing all branches of the company, DC Studios is the first attempt to do that, and it's a full-fledged production studio of its own, a separate, newly created entity. DC Films was never anything, and should never have had a Wikipedia article to begin with. Drapionsito (talk) 23:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Films was never a studio, it was a division ''in name'' nothing more, with no offices of its own, under Warner Bros. Pictures, which only oversaw DC films, nothing more, Walter Hamada's position was ''head of DC-Based films production''. DC Studios was created within Warner Bros. for the first time, it didn't exist before. It is a production studio, with its own executives, in addition to the two CEOs (Gunn and Safran), they have executives for marketing, communications, producers, and so on. DC Films was just Hamada, because it wasn't a studio, it was him overseeing the DC films within WB Pictures. Drapionsito (talk) 22:58, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, so you have a source from Uproxx. We have sources from third-parties to the likes of Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, USA Today, and The Verge, with even more first-party sources like James Gunn and Warner Bros. Discovery. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 21:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- You can also look up any other dc wiki sites they all say the same, it was was renamed and formerly known as dc films, you know why? Because thats exactly what happened! Now his cultists try to claim only the succesful projects as dc studios productions. And yes gunn and safran are the first dc studios (dc films) ceos ever. Because dc films never had ceos, they had a president, walter hamada. Dc films was overseeing the same things dc studios oversees, the only difference is that dc films didnt force a connection between them all. Its the same company, so everything that released after the rename is a dc studios production! How can you even deny that when you agree that the rename happened like what is your explanation? How exactly can these movies not be dc studios productions when dc films literally produced them before the company was renamed? Yall come up with the dumbest kind of "proof", which half of those is james gunn spreading lies. How can we even argue about all this when this guy literally slapped a logo on a bought documentary where dc studios had literally zero involvment in and none of you questioning it. Stop taking James gunns words as proof, they are not. This guy tried to claim credit for Nicole perlmans work. Nothing out of his mouth should be considered as fact. It cant, because it speaks against actual facts! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:FB33:E096:D0C4:2C3B (talk) 21:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- You started this with accusing others of lying, its not a new company and its a rename of dc films. That automatically makes every dc movie that dc films produced and wasnt released yet, an dc studios production. You can keep crying about it and bring the words of an known liar as "proof" how much you want. The rename happened and dc studios is formerly known as dc films. Thats a fact you'll have to live with i guess 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:FB33:E096:D0C4:2C3B (talk) 20:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
DC Studios is its own newly created entity
James Gunn just confirmed via Threads what we already knew, but many people were trying to deny. DC Studios is its own separate entity, and as it was in the articles, NEWLY CREATED, therefore, it can't be in the article of what was DC Films, since DC Studios is a NEW entity, founded in 2022.
Source: https://www.threads.net/@jamesgunn/post/DA9MCezPIlh
Now, since this has been cleared up. We can't accept any more opposition to the separation of articles because the head of DC Studios himself has come out to deny that they are the same, which we already knew, but this is definitive confirmation.
We need to change the name of the current article to DC Films, and create another one for DC Studios, with its own productions, information on how it was created, and its own organization, with its own executives. Drapionsito (talk) 20:11, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- No one disputed that it was newly created. It was still a successor to DC Films and the shared history of the projects should continue to be in the same article. Gunn's comments don't change any of that. Spanneraol (talk) 20:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- But if it is a newly created entity how the hell can it be put in the same article as DC Films? It replaces it, but it has to have its own Wikipedia article, just like anything else that replaces something else, including Cartoon Network Studios with Hanna-Barbera, which is literally the successor, but its own separate entity.
- You can't use the DC Films article to put everything from DC Studios because they are separate entities. That's the problem. Drapionsito (talk) 20:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've responded to the idiotic Hanna Barbera comparison before.... HB had a long history as a separate entity before it was merged into Cartoon Network, which existed on it's own before the merger.. i.e. they were two separate companies that were merged. That is absolutely not the same thing. Also, this is a DC Studios article.. that is the title.. it just talks about the prehistory to explain the continuity of DC productions. Spanneraol (talk) 20:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- in all fairness, they're not just talking about the history. They're listing every project under DC Films, and also DC Films links to the DC Studios article. If it was just explaining the previous context, that would be fine, but it also serves as a DC Films article when it shouldn't. Brayden8881 (talk) 20:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Films didn't exist long enough with an elaborate enough history to be worth it's own article... it makes much morse sense to include them both here since there is a continuity of history.Spanneraol (talk) 20:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- so is the idea in like, a few years, to eventually separate the articles? Brayden8881 (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- No need since there wont be enough content on DC Films to create a new article. Spanneraol (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, I've seen a fair amount of articles on Wikipedia with minimal information on it, and I'm thinking at some point into DC Studios's history, it may seem possible to separate, but this is also very far from now so fair. Brayden8881 (talk) 21:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- No need since there wont be enough content on DC Films to create a new article. Spanneraol (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- so is the idea in like, a few years, to eventually separate the articles? Brayden8881 (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Films didn't exist long enough with an elaborate enough history to be worth it's own article... it makes much morse sense to include them both here since there is a continuity of history.Spanneraol (talk) 20:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- in all fairness, they're not just talking about the history. They're listing every project under DC Films, and also DC Films links to the DC Studios article. If it was just explaining the previous context, that would be fine, but it also serves as a DC Films article when it shouldn't. Brayden8881 (talk) 20:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've responded to the idiotic Hanna Barbera comparison before.... HB had a long history as a separate entity before it was merged into Cartoon Network, which existed on it's own before the merger.. i.e. they were two separate companies that were merged. That is absolutely not the same thing. Also, this is a DC Studios article.. that is the title.. it just talks about the prehistory to explain the continuity of DC productions. Spanneraol (talk) 20:27, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- What James said in that post has already been well established in this article. No one is disputing that. DC Studios and DC Films have a shared history where one led to the other being formed. DC Studios superseded DC Films. There is not enough WP:Notability for each studio to have their own articles for the different iterations and operations they had. Also, making yet another discussion about this same topic is not going to change anything. Nothing "has to have its own Wikipedia article" just because you say so. I encourage you to WP:DROPTHESTICK here. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's not that I say so, it's just the way things are. I ask you again, why Cartoon Network Studios has its own Wikipedia article despite being the successor of Hanna-Barbera, and moreover, it was born AS A DIVISION of Hanna-Barbera. why? Answer that first.
- DC Studios was born in 2022, and rather than replacing DC Films, which does not replace DC Films, it is already more than proven, it only assumes the responsibility of managing the movies, while assuming the responsibilities of managing TV, animation and video games. DC Studios replaces both DC Films and DC Entertainment. Don't forget that there was DC Entertainment, which was the company that managed everything else (TV, animation and video games) since 2009, separate to the movies (DC Films). Therefore, DC Studios needs its own article because it is a new entity separate to both. Drapionsito (talk) 20:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Zaslav was looking as soon as he arrived to give DC its own production studio, which would group both the movies (what DC Films managed) and everything DC Entertainment (TV, animation and video games) under one umbrella. Source here:
- https://variety.com/2022/film/news/dc-warner-bros-discovery-zaslav-hbo-max-1235232185/
- David Zaslav, the CEO of the combined companies, and top leadership have been toying with the idea of turning DC into its own solidified content vertical, the sources said.
- One insider suggested that Zaslav was less interested in finding a creative guru and more eager to hire someone who had the type of business background needed to keep all the different factions at DC working more harmoniously. Drapionsito (talk) 20:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've answered the Hana Barbera thing many times... you keep ignoring responses to your posts. HB had an extensive long history that deserves it's own artice.. Cartoon Network was spun off as a separate company.. HB continued and merged into WB Animation.. they aren't exactly the same thing. The long history is the key here.. as opposed to DC Films which existed only for a handful of years and it WAS replaced by DC Studios... with expanded responsibilities. You keep posting the same quotes over and over again does not change any of that. Spanneraol (talk) 20:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Cartoon Network Studios was a division of Hanna-Barbera created in 1994. After the purchase of Turner Broadcasting by Time Warner in 1996, in 1998 Hanna-Barbera and WB Animation merged, and both moved into the same building, and efforts were made to separate Cartoon Network Studios in 2000, then in 2001 Hanna-Barbera died and WB Animation absorbed the production of its IPs. So, it is still a successor of what Hanna-Barbera was, and it is totally understandable that it has its own Wikipedia article because it is its own entity. DC Studios is too, and it manages both what DC Entertainment was in charge of (TV, animation and video games) since 2009, and what DC Films managed (the movies) since 2016. It is not difficult to understand. Drapionsito (talk) 20:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- HB and Cartoon Network both had different long histories separate of each other. Do you not understand that? It would not make sense to combine them because the articles and histories would be too long for one article. Not the case here. DC Entertainment by the way still exists as it managed the comic books and merchandising.. which are not under DC Studios. Spanneraol (talk) 20:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- And that answers my question on the different thread. Thanks! Brayden8881 (talk) 20:47, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- HB and Cartoon Network both had different long histories separate of each other. Do you not understand that? It would not make sense to combine them because the articles and histories would be too long for one article. Not the case here. DC Entertainment by the way still exists as it managed the comic books and merchandising.. which are not under DC Studios. Spanneraol (talk) 20:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Cartoon Network Studios was a division of Hanna-Barbera created in 1994. After the purchase of Turner Broadcasting by Time Warner in 1996, in 1998 Hanna-Barbera and WB Animation merged, and both moved into the same building, and efforts were made to separate Cartoon Network Studios in 2000, then in 2001 Hanna-Barbera died and WB Animation absorbed the production of its IPs. So, it is still a successor of what Hanna-Barbera was, and it is totally understandable that it has its own Wikipedia article because it is its own entity. DC Studios is too, and it manages both what DC Entertainment was in charge of (TV, animation and video games) since 2009, and what DC Films managed (the movies) since 2016. It is not difficult to understand. Drapionsito (talk) 20:41, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've answered the Hana Barbera thing many times... you keep ignoring responses to your posts. HB had an extensive long history that deserves it's own artice.. Cartoon Network was spun off as a separate company.. HB continued and merged into WB Animation.. they aren't exactly the same thing. The long history is the key here.. as opposed to DC Films which existed only for a handful of years and it WAS replaced by DC Studios... with expanded responsibilities. You keep posting the same quotes over and over again does not change any of that. Spanneraol (talk) 20:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- There are no sources saying DC Studios replaced DC Entertainment, which still exists and that source does not disprove that. Cartoon Network is not related to this discussion and that is an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument which I won't entertain. Companies are not "born", they are created and many change hands, names, etc. over time. If Wikipedia created an article for every time a company changed its name or there was a merger or replacement, it would get needlessly cluttered. If there were two separate articles for the different iterations of this studio, there would be too much overlap and too little details to warrant a split. We have rules, policies, and guidelines to follow on Wikipedia that trump whatever you think ought to be done, and no amount of new discussions, points, arguments, or sources are going to change this consensus (or lack thereof) regarding the changes you are proposing, which is getting admittedly tiresome to attempt to keep track of. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- But let's see, there are no sources that say DC Films is dead either, but it is. DC Films was in charge of live-action movies since 2016, and that is now handled by DC Studios, a NEW ENTITY. DC Entertainment was in charge of TV, animation and video games since 2009, and DC Studios is in charge of that as well.
- DC Films and DC Entertainment have no bosses or structure because they disappeared, DC Studios is an entity formed to manage everything as a whole, for the first time in the company. There are DC Studios and DC Comics, there are only two DC companies within WBD. Drapionsito (talk) 20:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Would it make sense to propose this not here, but at DC Entertainment's page instead, since it seems like Studios simply just overtook Entertainment's role? Brayden8881 (talk) 20:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, DC Studios was born in 2022 to take over what was managed by DC Entertainment (since 2009) and DC Films, under WB Pictures, separately. For the first time in the company everything is managed under a newly created division called DC Studios.
- Therefore, DC Films needs your article to specify that the division ceased to exist after the birth of DC Studios, and DC Entertainment as well. Drapionsito (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- After the birth of DC Studios, not only DC Films dies, DC Entertainment dies. This is in DC Entertainment's own Wikipedia article, don't try to gloss over it:
- On April 14, 2022, after the merger of parent company WarnerMedia with Discovery, Inc., it was reported that the company was exploring a restructuring of DC Entertainment into a "solidified content vertical" more akin to Marvel, with its film, television, and video game development brought directly under DC with a central leader, rather than being handled by other Warner Bros. subsidiaries on its behalf. Drapionsito (talk) 20:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Entertainment still exists and DC Films ceased to exist because it was replaced by DC Studios, it's successor. There is not enough content on this page to warrant a split into two separate articles.Spanneraol (talk) 20:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- The article literally tells you that Zaslav is transforming DC Entertainment into what was later announced as DC Studios, and DC Films died. In any case, DC Studios is the successor to DC Entertainment, not DC Films (to both, rather). It's impressive how you are in denial in the face of sources and facts. Goodness gracious. Drapionsito (talk) 20:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Entertainment is still in existence, it is run by Jim Lee and manages the comic book company and associated character IP rights. The point here is that there is not enough content to warrant a split of DC Films and DC Studios. Spanneraol (talk) 20:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is handled by DC Comics. I've given you the sources, DC Studio manages what DC Entertainment used to do. Drapionsito (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Entertainment is defunct because it was created to manage all branches of DC outside of comics, turning DC Comics into a division. DC Studios was created and is separate from DC Comics, therefore DC Comics is under WB as well as DC Studios. DC Entertainment no longer exists. The licenses and characters are under WBEI, so it is credited because DC Entertainment no longer exists. That is misinformation. Find me a recent source after DC Studios was created that mentions DC Entertainment. There isn't one, it was only mentioned when Zaslav explored the reorganization of DC Entertainment, and the sources I've already provided you with. Drapionsito (talk) 21:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- In case you missed the point, both DC Studios and DC Comics are under WB Entertainment. DC Entertainment no longer exists since DC Studios was born. And the same with DC Films, both disappeared. Drapionsito (talk) 21:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Comics is a division of DC Entertainment. 21:01, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Entertainment is still in existence, it is run by Jim Lee and manages the comic book company and associated character IP rights. The point here is that there is not enough content to warrant a split of DC Films and DC Studios. Spanneraol (talk) 20:58, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- The article literally tells you that Zaslav is transforming DC Entertainment into what was later announced as DC Studios, and DC Films died. In any case, DC Studios is the successor to DC Entertainment, not DC Films (to both, rather). It's impressive how you are in denial in the face of sources and facts. Goodness gracious. Drapionsito (talk) 20:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- dc studios was renamed from dc films are you actually too slow in your head to understand this? It doesnt matter what gunn says. The rename happened. Why you think wikipedia didnt make 2 sites ik the first place? Because its literally dc films with a new name. It doesnt matter how much things changed, its still formerly dc films. That also makes every dc movie that released after the rename a dc studios production because its not called dc films anymore. Get used to facts 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 20:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Films isn't even a studio my god, it wasn't even a company. What David Zaslav himself did was REORGANIZE DC ENTERTAINMENT, not DC FILMS. Because there was nothing to reorganize there, they decided to create DC Studios and give it all the responsibilities of DC Entertainment and kill DC Films, read the sources my god. It's in the DC Entertainment article.
- On April 14, 2022, after the merger of parent company WarnerMedia with Discovery, Inc., it was reported that the company was exploring a restructuring of DC Entertainment into a "solidified content vertical" more akin to Marvel, with its film, television, and video game development brought directly under DC with a central leader, rather than being handled by other Warner Bros. subsidiaries on its behalf.
- Source:
- https://variety.com/2022/film/news/dc-warner-bros-discovery-zaslav-hbo-max-1235232185/
- David Zaslav, the CEO of the combined companies, and top leadership have been toying with the idea of turning DC into its own solidified content vertical, the sources said.
- One insider suggested that Zaslav was less interested in finding a creative guru and more eager to hire someone who had the type of business background needed to keep all the different factions at DC working more harmoniously.
- Drapionsito (talk) 21:02, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- You keep posting the same damn thing over and over again. That quote says nothing about turning DC Entertainment into DC Studios.. it just talks about a restructuring of DC Entertainment.. which is what happened. The company still exists and as the website says "DC Entertainment consists of the comic book publisher DC Comics and its associated intellectual properties." No one said DC Films was a "studio".. it was a division under WB that produced DC based films.. it's responsibilities were moved to the new DC Studios and given greater responsibilities over TV, video games, etc. Spanneraol (talk) 21:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Entertainment managed TV, animation and video games. Zaslav turned DC Entertainment into DC Studios, and had them take over DC Films as well. Is that so hard to understand? Drapionsito (talk) 21:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- The restructuring started at DC Entertainment, so DC Studios is not the successor to DC Films, it is a new entity that took over the responsibilities of DC Films. In any case, DC Studios is the successor to DC Entertainment, because that's where Zaslav started the reorganization to turn DC into an independent studio. Drapionsito (talk) 21:15, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- no one turned dc entertainment into dc studios lmao. You just make up lies here and then post "proof" which are the words of an known liar called jamed gunn. A person who lost a court case against nicole perlman btw because he tried to claim credit for her work. And then you come here like "but gunn said..." lmao no one cares. Its the same company and was renamed. Stop living in denial of reality. You behave like a cultist 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 21:18, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- The sources I have posted have nothing to do with James Gunn and are from many months before the creation of DC Studios. David Zaslav reorganized DC Entertainment with the goal of finding a leader who would be in charge of what would later become DC Studios. You have zero reading comprehension or some deficiency, because it's not normal for you to respond that way. You're lucky I can't insult you, but what a barbarity, you're not smart at all. Drapionsito (talk) 21:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Entertainment managed TV, animation and video games. Zaslav turned DC Entertainment into DC Studios, and had them take over DC Films as well. Is that so hard to understand? Drapionsito (talk) 21:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not only your source doesnt mean shit its also 6months before the rename happened, this is your "proof"? Are you actually denying that a rename happened? Why dont you ask wikipedia why there arent 2 sites in the first place? You the guy who said on threads "i'm getting cooked ok wikipedia" huh? Such a gunn cultist, the rename happened, its the same company. Can you accept facts please? 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 21:14, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why do you keep saying name change? If I have literally shoved in your face a myriad of sources that tell you that it is a newly created entity, created only in 2022, FOR THE FIRST TIME. Zaslav reorganized DC Entertainment and was looking to create DC Studios as soon as he got to the WBD CEO position, and it ended up happening months later. Drapionsito (talk) 21:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Entertainment was originally a nebulous branch of WB that handled a lot of different things related to DC, after the restructuring DC Entertainment was put in charge of the comic book company and IP maintenance... DC Studios was created to take over for DC Films and handle production of DC movies, tv etc. No one is saying DC Studios is not a new entity.. but even you admit it took over what DC Films had been doing. The only issue is should this article be split into two articles or maintained as one. Spanneraol (talk) 21:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I am not going to discuss this anymore, you can close the discussion. But no, DC Studios does not assume the responsibilities of DC Films as a successor, it is a separate DC entity created for the first time, that didn't exist before. For that simple fact it has to have its own article. Nice talking to you, I'm out. Drapionsito (talk) 21:32, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Entertainment was originally a nebulous branch of WB that handled a lot of different things related to DC, after the restructuring DC Entertainment was put in charge of the comic book company and IP maintenance... DC Studios was created to take over for DC Films and handle production of DC movies, tv etc. No one is saying DC Studios is not a new entity.. but even you admit it took over what DC Films had been doing. The only issue is should this article be split into two articles or maintained as one. Spanneraol (talk) 21:29, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- But I want to tell you one thing, tone it down a bit and stop calling me a Gunn cultist, I just want Wikipedia to be a reliable source to go to, and it's not, unfortunately. You shouldn't be proud of that. I'll pass on further discussion because you're all, especially you, in absolute denial despite the sources, which have nothing to do with James Gunn (so that thing about him lying and you can't trust him doesn't apply here).
- DC Studios is a newly created division that didn't exist before and therefore doesn't have to be in the same article as a division of WB Pictures dedicated to movies. DC Studios is not born as a successor, it is born as a new and separate entity, created for the reasons I specified, to return to DC its own solidified content vertical. It's super tiresome that you guys refuse to accept reality despite the sources. But whatever, in a couple of years it will have to be separated for obvious reasons. It's been somewhat amusing with an illiterate like you. Drapionsito (talk) 21:30, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your whole argument with DC Entertainment becoming DC Studios is WP:SYNTHESIS as no sources have directly stated what you are saying here. There is no consensus to split this article. I don't condone the IP's uncivil remarks nor do I condone those you have also made here (and I encourage everyone to remain civil), though repeating the same rationale without actual evidence and your own interpretation of the sources is unlikely to change the consensus. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, I'm not saying DC Studios was a replacement for DC Entertainment, I'm saying it ASSUMED all the responsibilities of DC Entertainment (TV, animation and video games) and DC Films (movies). It's a newly created separate entity that takes on all of that, so it's sort of a successor to both. Drapionsito (talk) 21:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- It did not assume all the responsibilities since it did not take over the comic book company. I thought you were done arguing? Spanneraol (talk) 21:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, I'm not saying DC Studios was a replacement for DC Entertainment, I'm saying it ASSUMED all the responsibilities of DC Entertainment (TV, animation and video games) and DC Films (movies). It's a newly created separate entity that takes on all of that, so it's sort of a successor to both. Drapionsito (talk) 21:45, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you dont want to be called a gunn cultist stop behaving like one! You make up lies and your "proofs" dont prove anything. You speculate based on the words of a known liar. I'm asking you again: are you actually denying that a rename from dc films into dc studios happened on november 1st 2022? 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 21:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- On November 1, 2022, DC Studios was founded, a newly created separate entity charged with managing what was taken away from DC Entertainment (and probably disappeared after that), which was DC TV, animation and video games, and DC Films (which was under WB Pictures), which was DC's live-action movies.
- There is no name change because it is a newly created entity as the sources indicate, and as Zaslav himself was trying to form 6 months before DC Studios existed. To turn DC into its own entity that grouped all branches of the company under a single leader (which in the end, were two, Gunn and Safran).
- On April 14, 2022, after the merger of parent company WarnerMedia with Discovery, Inc., it was reported that the company was exploring a restructuring of DC Entertainment into a "solidified content vertical" more akin to Marvel, with its film, television, and video game development brought directly under DC with a central leader, rather than being handled by other Warner Bros. subsidiaries on its behalf.
- Source:
- https://variety.com/2022/film/news/dc-warner-bros-discovery-zaslav-hbo-max-1235232185/
- David Zaslav, the CEO of the combined companies, and top leadership have been toying with the idea of turning DC into its own solidified content vertical, the sources said.
- One insider suggested that Zaslav was less interested in finding a creative guru and more eager to hire someone who had the type of business background needed to keep all the different factions at DC working more harmoniously. Drapionsito (talk) 21:49, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- no it was renamed. Variety, thr and so on just reported way too fast on a subject and the big news on that day wasnt dc studios. It was gunn becoming co ceo. No one cared about anything else, nor do they now. Other sources that came out later that day report that it was renamed
- https://comicbook.com/movies/news/warner-bros-discovery-replaces-dc-films-dc-studios/
- https://brandfetch.com/blog/dc-studios-new-logo-and-brand
- https://uproxx.com/movies/dc-studios-james-gunn-peter-safran-named-leaders/
- Why should wikipedia not make a new site for dc studios and go by the words of these websites when bigger sites like variety, thr and so on say something different in their articles, which also went viral in social media? Go ask warner for documents which year dc studios was created, it was 2016. A rename and a new leadership dont make it a new company. Accept facts or deny them idc. In my opinion you are an triggered gunn cultist who puts the words of his favourite director above actual facts 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 21:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also the reason why some sites use the words "new entity" or "replaced" is because thats what its actually is. Because dc films was its own entity within WARNER BROTHERS PICTURES but dc studios became its own entity within WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY. This doesnt mean dc studios is a new company, its still a rename of sc films but idk why i'm even explaining you this you are literally hallucinating "facts" 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 22:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your arguments are absurd. I leave you here a mention that DC Studios is a new entity by Warner Bros. Discovery itself, on its official website:
- Warner Bros. Discovery: “Peter Safran is Co-Chairman & Co-Chief Executive Officer of DC Studios, a newly formed division of Warner Bros. Discovery” https://www.wbd.com/leadership/peter-safran Drapionsito (talk) 22:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, because for the 3rd time: it is a newly formed division WITHIN WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY. Are you too dumb to understand that dc films was its own division within warner brothers picutres and NOT warner brothers discovery? That doesnt make it a new company. You are pure speculating and dobt even ubderstand the "proof" you are providing 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 22:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is a new entity. Don't you understand the concept of new? It is new. Created for the first time, it did not exist before. Therefore there is no name change and it is not the same division. Drapionsito (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Again for people who are not good at reading: the DIVISION dc studios WITHIN WARNER BROS DISCOVERY is NEWLY FORMED. Why? Because there hasnt been this division within warner bros discovery! That makes THE DIVISION dc studios NEWLY FORMED! But that doesnt mean that its new company!!! Nor does it contradict that it was created in 2016 under the name DC Films!!!
- "Peter Safran is Co-Chairman & Co-Chief Executive Officer of DC Studios, a newly formed division of Warner Bros. Discovery."
- This is the literally quote, you left out the "of warner bros discovery" multiple times so i assume you just act like you dont understand what is meant by that! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 00:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- If it was just shifting the division from WBP to WBD as you say, I don't think they would use the verbiage "newly formed division." At least, they would later clarify that the studio was initially formed in 2016, or that it was being renamed from DC Films. The fact that they don't say any of the sort makes it seem like a "newly formed division" is truly what it is. THR also said DC Studios would "replace DC Films." Prefall 00:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- What you think dont matter, they also dont need to clarify anything to make it more understandable. And there is also no word of replacing dc films in the link you both provided and left out the most important part when you quoted it! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:3CFE:A8E3:3370:4F3F (talk) 00:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- What matters is what reliable sources say, and reliable sources say it is a newly formed division. And the "replace" line is at the end of the second paragraph. Prefall 00:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Which reliable source is refering to something official from warner other than the link you both provided? Which says "OF WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY". Why you still leave that part out? Provide a source 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:3CFE:A8E3:3370:4F3F (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Still waiting for an source where they say "replace dc films" and is refering to something official from warner. If they refer to the link you both sent, it can be assumed that "replace dc films" was added by the writer without evidence, since warner never said anything about replacing dc films. This is the way you guys defined credible and reliable sources right? Provide proof for your claims or it simply isnt true. 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:522:3149:A653:5E18 (talk) 11:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Entertainment Weekly also said it's replacing DC Films. You can say these were "added by the writer without evidence", or that "newly formed division" is being misinterpreted, but there is nothing to the contrary. None of these sources say this is merely a restructuring or a rebranding. Prefall 16:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- wow its getting really pathetic right now. There is so much misleading information yiu just spread here. The source you linked cant refer to anything official from warner except the link you guys already provided and which does not say "replace dc films" at any time. Secondly, the source you linked said "The new division will replace DC Films" which is totally correct because dc films division within WARNER BROTHERS PICTURES is beeing replaced by the new division WITHING WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY. That doesnt mean a company is beeing replaced nor does it contradict that dc studios was created in 2016 as dc films. Also you cant just call any source that doesnt fit your narrative not credible enough when the sources you provided cant refer to anything official. Bigger names dont mean they are correct all the time, i guess you'll have to learn that yet 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:46FA:A4AF:D946:CCDB (talk) 17:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Entertainment Weekly also said it's replacing DC Films. You can say these were "added by the writer without evidence", or that "newly formed division" is being misinterpreted, but there is nothing to the contrary. None of these sources say this is merely a restructuring or a rebranding. Prefall 16:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Still waiting for an source where they say "replace dc films" and is refering to something official from warner. If they refer to the link you both sent, it can be assumed that "replace dc films" was added by the writer without evidence, since warner never said anything about replacing dc films. This is the way you guys defined credible and reliable sources right? Provide proof for your claims or it simply isnt true. 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:522:3149:A653:5E18 (talk) 11:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Which reliable source is refering to something official from warner other than the link you both provided? Which says "OF WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY". Why you still leave that part out? Provide a source 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:3CFE:A8E3:3370:4F3F (talk) 00:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- What matters is what reliable sources say, and reliable sources say it is a newly formed division. And the "replace" line is at the end of the second paragraph. Prefall 00:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- What you think dont matter, they also dont need to clarify anything to make it more understandable. And there is also no word of replacing dc films in the link you both provided and left out the most important part when you quoted it! 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:3CFE:A8E3:3370:4F3F (talk) 00:35, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- By newly formed division at Warner Bros. Discovery they mean the conglomerate itself. It is the first time that a division entirely dedicated to DC has been created that brings together all branches (film, TV, animation and video games). It is a new company. 2001:1388:1640:F4CE:6186:5DC5:473E:1812 (talk) 16:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- no they meant exactly what they said, "the new DIVISION will replace dc films", which is true because the division within warner brothers pictures has been replaced by a NEWLY FORMED division within warner brothers discovery. But a newly formed division dont mean a new company is required. It also dont matter how much more power the division now has, that has nothing to do with the company itself. You guys keep twisting the word in your favour or come uo with sources which cant refer to anything official 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:46FA:A4AF:D946:CCDB (talk) 18:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- If it was just shifting the division from WBP to WBD as you say, I don't think they would use the verbiage "newly formed division." At least, they would later clarify that the studio was initially formed in 2016, or that it was being renamed from DC Films. The fact that they don't say any of the sort makes it seem like a "newly formed division" is truly what it is. THR also said DC Studios would "replace DC Films." Prefall 00:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is a new entity. Don't you understand the concept of new? It is new. Created for the first time, it did not exist before. Therefore there is no name change and it is not the same division. Drapionsito (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, because for the 3rd time: it is a newly formed division WITHIN WARNER BROTHERS DISCOVERY. Are you too dumb to understand that dc films was its own division within warner brothers picutres and NOT warner brothers discovery? That doesnt make it a new company. You are pure speculating and dobt even ubderstand the "proof" you are providing 2A02:8071:6350:45C0:D3F6:A8CB:9C0:2AE6 (talk) 22:59, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reliable sources explicitly say it was not merely a renaming. THR: "a newly formed division at Warner Bros. that will replace DC Films." / Variety: "a newly created production entity" / WBD themselves: "a newly formed division" Prefall 21:50, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- No one is saying it was. It is still a successor company and has common history. There is no reason for a content split. Spanneraol (talk) 21:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- They don't have a common story because DC Studios is something new that Zaslav wanted to create after becoming CEO of WBD. Turning DC into its own solidified content vertical, as sources indicate, many months before the formation of DC Studios. And that started with a restructuring at DC Entertainment. DC Films had nothing to do with it, it disappeared with the departure of Walter Hamada and WB Pictures took over the responsibilities for the films that were still in the works, with DC Studios giving notes, nothing more. It's simple. Drapionsito (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think 'are DC Studios and DC Films synonymous' is relevant to if they share a common history, which they plainly do. A thing purpose built to fill the shoes of a past thing has a continuous history with it by virtue of being iterations of the same thing, even if they're very, very different iterations.
- Afaik a lot of decisions about article splitting end up being whatever's pragmatic and A) I don't think DC Studios has enough history on its own to warrant a separate article at this time as it's only existed for a few short years and been partially involved in the production of one released TV series, and B) DC Films' history is directly relevant to DC Studios', anyways, and would presumably be restated for context in a brand new DC Studios article.
- I do think the article should make very clear that DC Studios, the film studio/production division within WBD, isn't DC Films, the label within Warner Bros. Pictures, but it's not like the article doesn't draw that line. It'd be more of a question of 'should we rephrase certain sections to make the distinction more plainly stated. 136.35.180.148 (talk) 00:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- The IP user I responded to is saying it was. I said nothing about a split. Prefall 21:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- They don't have a common story because DC Studios is something new that Zaslav wanted to create after becoming CEO of WBD. Turning DC into its own solidified content vertical, as sources indicate, many months before the formation of DC Studios. And that started with a restructuring at DC Entertainment. DC Films had nothing to do with it, it disappeared with the departure of Walter Hamada and WB Pictures took over the responsibilities for the films that were still in the works, with DC Studios giving notes, nothing more. It's simple. Drapionsito (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Of course, the new DC Studios article, if it should manage to be created, should start with that, David Zaslav's intentions to create a studio of his own for DC, which did not exist before. That's how it came about, it's not an ''evolution'' or a ''name change'' for DC Films. They are separate things, DC Studios is something new. DC Films ceased to exist after the departure of Walter Hamada. Drapionsito (talk) 21:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- No one is saying it was. It is still a successor company and has common history. There is no reason for a content split. Spanneraol (talk) 21:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Your whole argument with DC Entertainment becoming DC Studios is WP:SYNTHESIS as no sources have directly stated what you are saying here. There is no consensus to split this article. I don't condone the IP's uncivil remarks nor do I condone those you have also made here (and I encourage everyone to remain civil), though repeating the same rationale without actual evidence and your own interpretation of the sources is unlikely to change the consensus. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:39, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why do you keep saying name change? If I have literally shoved in your face a myriad of sources that tell you that it is a newly created entity, created only in 2022, FOR THE FIRST TIME. Zaslav reorganized DC Entertainment and was looking to create DC Studios as soon as he got to the WBD CEO position, and it ended up happening months later. Drapionsito (talk) 21:17, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- You keep posting the same damn thing over and over again. That quote says nothing about turning DC Entertainment into DC Studios.. it just talks about a restructuring of DC Entertainment.. which is what happened. The company still exists and as the website says "DC Entertainment consists of the comic book publisher DC Comics and its associated intellectual properties." No one said DC Films was a "studio".. it was a division under WB that produced DC based films.. it's responsibilities were moved to the new DC Studios and given greater responsibilities over TV, video games, etc. Spanneraol (talk) 21:10, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- DC Entertainment still exists and DC Films ceased to exist because it was replaced by DC Studios, it's successor. There is not enough content on this page to warrant a split into two separate articles.Spanneraol (talk) 20:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- Would it make sense to propose this not here, but at DC Entertainment's page instead, since it seems like Studios simply just overtook Entertainment's role? Brayden8881 (talk) 20:46, 10 October 2024 (UTC)