Talk:Curriculum for Wales (2022–present)

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 12:33, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that the new school system in Wales which was first promised in 2015 won't be fully implemented until 2026? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-33087859 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-41387459
  • ALT1: ... that the new curriculum in Wales doesn't tell schools what they have to teach? Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61787090
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  • Comment: Article created 4th of august

Created by Llewee (talk). Self-nominated at 00:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - ALT0 fails. The article does not make clear that the changes were promised in 2015, although the cited source does. If the article is updated then this hook may become acceptable. Personally I feel ALT1 strays to far from the truth as the curriculum does still tell schools what has to be taught in some areas.

QPQ: None required.

Overall:
I would like to propose ALT2: ... that the new curriculum in Wales lets school's schools set there their own curricula?
I believe this meets the aims of ALT1 but more closely matches what is covered in the article and citation. Request another reviewer checks this is acceptable. CSJJ104 (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi all, I'm happy to provide verification of the proposed hook. The assertion that "the new curriculum in Wales lets school's [sic] set there [sic] own curricula" is backed up by this BBC source: "schools are encouraged to develop their own curricula tailored for their pupils and communities". The two statements don't mean exactly the same thing, but I think this is passable. Approved.--Coin945 (talk) 19:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Coin945, if you are formally approving the corrected ALT2 and the nomination, you need to include an appropriate icon with your post; as it says above the edit window, An article cannot be officially promoted until a reviewer has given approval ([ticks shown here]) to at least one of the article's hooks. (The bot needs to see an approval tick before processing the nom further; I haven't reproduced either one here because the bot would think they were an actual approval.) Here's ALT2 without all the strikeouts, for the benefit of future prep builders:

• ALT2: ... that the new curriculum in Wales lets schools set their own curricula?

Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:32, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

• Approved (take 2) --Coin945 (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
  • I don't think ALT2 quite passes muster – after all, if the Curriculum for Wales let every school set their own curricula without regarding the national standard, there wouldn't be much point in having a Curriculum at all. The full quote from the source is While the Curriculum for Wales sets a framework, schools are encouraged to develop their own curricula tailored for their pupils and communities. That sounds more like a system akin to federalism. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 04:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: I'm not sure I understand your complaint. The hook is talking about multiple curricula, with the national one setting the framework that all others must adhere to, but I'm not seeing the reference to federalism, or even why that would be an issue? Curriculum can have different meanings, which both the hook and the source make use of, and I would say the sentence you quote from the source backs up the hook quite well. CSJJ104 (talk) 21:23, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: I think this quote from the original report (which is linked in article) makes the point as well:

"What do we mean by the ‘curriculum’?

The curriculum has often taken the form of a framework of subjects to be taught over a defined period such as particular stages of primary or secondary education. That framework might be very general or more specific and might include, for example, time allocations for each subject together with descriptions of what content should be covered at different stages. Essentially, this approach to the curriculum involves defining the inputs that all children, or particular groups of children, should experience and is reflected in the approach adopted in many countries, including Wales, in the latter part of the last century. It is also generally based on a belief that subject knowledge has stood the test of time and remains the best path to a sound and relevant education.

An alternative approach, increasingly common internationally, focuses more directly on the expected outcomes of learning. Its proponents argue that learning is shaped by much more than individual subjects and syllabuses, and that fulfillment of the purposes of the curriculum requires approaches which are more directly relevant to emerging personal, social and economic needs. In this approach, the curriculum is often framed in terms of the key skills, capacities or competences that will be developed in children and young people." Llewee (talk) 09:37, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay, that's a fair point – I suppose we can chalk up that difference to quirkiness of the hook. reaffirming GTG tick. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 23:34, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Article title

Shouldn't it just be Curriculum for Wales? There is no other article to disambiguate from, even if this is set to apply in the future. If a date is needed isnt just "(2022)" enough rather than adding "to present" for the current year as if it is already 2023 (plus shouldn't that be "–present")? I could boldly move, but seems the title was intentional so I ask here. Many Thanks DankJae 01:00, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

National Curriculum for Wales (2008 to 2026) does exist, and it seems National is ommitted by the Gov, but there is no other "Curriculum for Wales" article, so should it be moved with a hatnote for the old curriculum? Plus shouldn't it be styled 2008–26, and this one "2022–present"? Which I believe is the more common format, although happy to be disproven. DankJae 01:06, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I've boldly moved them to using a "–" DankJae 01:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

DankJae I wrote this page and expanded the other one a few days back. I felt that the two names were sufficiently similar to warrant clarifying dates and National Curriculum for Wales is now a disambiguation page for them both. Also both names sound fairly timeless so it could be quite confusing for readers to find one or the other article and see it covers specific eras especially if they have come from National Curriculum for England which covers all developments since 1988. I included the "to present" because I generally think its best to try and make text fairly evergreen, especially on low activity pages such as this one.--Llewee (talk) 20:34, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Llewee, I guess I'll leave it be, I understand the aim of clarifying to the reader, they are both have similar names, but I'd argue hatnotes is enough. Though I won't move the article if you disagree, and I guess as the two curriculums will operate side by side, clarity for now would help. Although would it be probable that when all teaching is conducted under this new curriculum that the date be cut off then?, but the old curriculum could have the date retained. Ofc that will be in years time. DankJae 20:48, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

@DankJae Possibly, I guess we would have to discuss it then. Llewee (talk) 11:50, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Curriculum for Wales (2022–present)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 05:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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This one has sat for a while, so fresh eyes might also find other things to change. I found this article actually approachable even though my knowledge of UK education is quite limited, so kudos there. Really all that is needed are some copy tweaks. 7-day hold to Llewee. Ping me when done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Copy changes

Lead

• aged three to sixteen years old Should this not be just aged three to sixteen years?

History

• No need to capitalize "Education" in the phrase "Education in Scotland"
• Add a comma after "variety of changes" to improve reading

Instruction

• Make "aged from 3 to 16" "aged three to sixteen" to be consistent with the lead.
• "Emphasise" should be "emphasis".
• Add a comma after the quotation of "Areas of Learning and Experience" to aid reading and another after "broad way"
• Remove the serial comma in Literacy, numeracy, and digital competence for consistency with other passages.

Assessment

• One of Donaldson's initial recommendations for the new curriculum was that school should be made into more of a single "journey" for a child rather than the way he argued pupils and teachers had previously seen the process as a series of shorter chunks. A comma after "child" would help reading a lot.
• Add "into" after "key stages" and remove it from after "broken" to avoid it hanging

Response

• The headteacher said that in her view; Change the semicolon into a comma.
• The two quotes in the last paragraph that start with capital letters should be changed to start with lowercase letters. MOS:CONFORM recommends this: When quoting a complete sentence, it is usually recommended to keep the first word capitalized. However, if the quoted passage has been integrated into the surrounding sentence (for example, with an introduction such as "X said that"), the original capital letter may be lower-cased. Because they have been integrated, the period should go outside the quotation marks.
• De-capitalize "judicial review" and add commas after "new curriculum" and "biased" to create an appositive.

Sourcing and spot checks

Earwig mostly flags the big blockquote from the headteacher as well as some terms of art that can't be replaced (such as "Areas of Learning and Experience"). I really don't see anything major in that regard.

Reference 24 should list "Shropshire Star" as a work instead of "www.shropshirestar.com".

Five sources were selected for spot checks:

• 8: Education Wales official material. This is an FAQ used twice and represented correctly in the article for its claims as to the new curriculum emphasizing "skills and experiences, as well as knowledge" and reassuring traditional subjects remain. Y
• 19: 2019 news article on the scrapping of national tests in Wales for personalized assessments: Personalised Assessments will replace paper tests completely by 2021 - just before Wales’ new curriculum comes in from 2022. Y
• 20: Not much to say, but I guess A consultation on what the changes mean for GCSEs, and what they should look like under the changes, is now under way, led by exam regulator Qualifications Wales. substantiates the idea that GCSEs will change. Y
• 25: The group have said parents are being "denied their time-honoured right" to remove their child from sex education. Y
• 27: Correct reproduction of Steyn's quote. Y

Images

There is one image. It is actually the PDF of the Curriculum and Assessment (Wales) Act 2021, licensed under OGL.

I've made the changes you suggested to the text. I'm happy to make any other changes needed.--Llewee (talk) 11:31, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

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