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Title

According to the show's Facebook page, the title is The Conan O'brien Nightly Show

http://www.facebook.com/friends/?ref=tn#!/group.php?gid=23201543692&ref=ts

199.80.112.226 (talk) 19:12, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That page is not official. Just a fan page. Hopefully after the tour wraps in a couple of weeks, TBS will announce an official name. Until then, I think we should simply leave it The Conan O'Brien Show. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 23:53, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the official statement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHeyO2W8aPU the title is Conan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.178.149.67 (talk) 14:14, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cue card; huh?

Where exactly did this "cue card" come from? It hardly seems more acceptable than the title card available from TBS. Thorncrag 02:54, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

...I see this has since been answered on the article, thanks :-) Thorncrag 03:18, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Repeatedly added "official" logos

This was done when it was speculative as "The Conan O'Brien Show" and now as "Conan." If there is no source, please do not add fan created logos. The only existing title card as of now is Conan's self created title. Thank you. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 04:06, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Late Night With Conan O'Brien always aired every weeknight.

I deleted the part in format that said that 'Late night with Conan O'Brien aired from Tuesday to Friday up until 2008'. ???, this never happened, it aired on every weeknight from when it debuted in 93 until it ended. - Russell

Again, unless someone can provide a verified source or article that Late Night added Monday nights to the schedule in 2008, then it needs to stay out of the article because it is not true, I think someone is making this up for some strange reason. I clearly remember watching 24 on Monday nights since it moved to Mondays in season 4 which was in January 2005 and I would stay up and watch Conan at 12:35 on NBC. I also watched it on Monday nights before that for years. Please provide a genuine source that it was never on Mondays until 2008. What was aired in it's place? Even when Heroes was on they advertised Leno and Conan being on in late night and Heroes aired on Mondays for its 4 season run. This is an absurd and unverified claim and the NPR article says nothing about it either. - Russell

This was a long time ago, but with Late Night I remember that they used to always show a rerun on Monday, and then at some point they started showing five new episodes per week. I don't remember the details, nor do I have a source at the moment. But I remember Conan announced during one show that Mondays would no longer be a rerun. --Keith111 (talk) 20:56, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well there still needs to be a verifiable source because I clearly remember that his monologue on Monday's show for several years talked about the news that day, and it was definitely before 2008. Until a source can be added that no new shows were on monday nights until 08 it needs to stay out of the article. - Russell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.109.117.98 (talk) 21:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I agree it needs a source, and indeed 2008 is too recent. It happened before 2008. Also I didn't watch the first few years of Late Night, so it's certainly possible that they originally started out with five new shows per week, then switched to four, then switched back to five. The number of new shows per week could have changed any time Conan signed a new contract. --Keith111 (talk) 21:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This had been re-added to the article, and I removed it once again. I have absolutely no memory of Conan taking off Monday night's shows. Maybe he had been pre-empted for a couple of Mondays, being a cause to notorize the following Monday being a new show? Mwhayes1995 (talk) 02:03, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

IP has continued to re-add this information without source. I once again removed the information, citing no references. Mwhayes1995 (talk) 20:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps reviewing the episode listings on IMDB would help? http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005277/filmoseries#tt0106052 70.71.167.232 (talk) 06:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think Mwhayes1995 is right, it was pre-empted by something or some such a long time ago for a period. Also, per IMDB link I think it's agreed to keep it 5-day. Thorncrag 06:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First guest

Some background info and sources, at Leavenworth Nutcracker Museum. Enjoy! ;) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 23:37, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Listing every show in the genre it beat in the Nielsen ratings that night

Stop. Wikipedia has a distinct policy against unnecessary verbosity. To say that the show led all late-night talk shows is sufficient for the purposes of this article. It is not necessary to specifically indicate every show in the genre. That's what PR people do to get digs into their competition and treads awfully close to violating NPOV. The only ones that need to be mentioned are the ones that directly compete with the show in the 11-12 timeslot (Daily and Colbert); the other shows have different time slots and trying to compare the different shows is like comparing apples to oranges. I did make a mention, that has since been removed, of how it fared compared to Tonight (with the margin of victory) because he used to host that show, but Kimmel and Letterman have different time slots and have no dogs in this race. They don't need to be mentioned. J. Myrle Fuller (talk) 15:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your assessment in keeping Tonight mentioned, and I've went ahead and removed the other two. Gage (talk) 21:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Giving reference - Turkey

I do not know how to give reference, but i know the reference : http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/id/25150070/ this page is the referance. Can somebody make this the reference of In Turkey the program will begin airing on 22 November on CNBC-e ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RuledBySecrecy (talk • contribs) 10:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an english version of the article? Gage (talk) 23:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Remove most Tonight Show Conflict stuff

This article is about the TBS show, not the circumstances that got Conan off NBC and on TBS. Although that is part of the story of "Conan", and should be mentioned, the article currently spends too much space on the Tonight Show conflict, and should be edited. Milchama (talk) 04:31, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think you have a good point. It is relevant of course to show how the host of The Tonight Show ended up on TBS, but the section on The Tonight Show conflict could be shortened to focus on that Conan left NBC and had to stay off TV for a while. --Muboshgu (talk) 05:27, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason the Tonight Show conflict information makes up a large part of the article is because there is currently not enough content to fill the rest of the article in great detail, due to the show only starting to broadcast three weeks ago. As a significant contributor to this article, I would oppose removing any of the information about the conflict until the show becomes established, and the conflict can be put into proper, or at least better, perspective. Gage (talk) 07:40, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's also a good point. --Muboshgu (talk) 14:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Tonight Show information made sense prior to the show's launch. However, it is now on the air, and there is enough details about the show for this article to stand on. Milchama (talk) 15:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

An outlandish statement like that doesn't even deserve a response. Gage (talk) 21:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One shouldn't lower the Wikipedia:Relevance of content threshold in an article in the first place just because the article would look shorter otherwise; when presented with having a short article or having less-relevant material to keep it looking substantial, the right solution is for the article to be shorter. WP:NOTPAPER (though often used to defend long articles) actually notes that appropriately short articles are not a bad thing. In my opinion, a good deal of the section Conan (TV series)#The Tonight Show conflict can be removed, because the level of detail is already in other articles and is beyond what is necessary to understand this article's subject (the TBS show); if that leaves the article shorter, then so be it: the show has, as mentioned, only been on for a month, after all. What is important in one article could end up being WP:Fancruft in another. For example, the details about how the 2010 Winter Olympics schedule interacted with the The Tonight Show (when it actually turned out to be moot because everyone relevant to this TBS show was already gone), or exact quotes of Conan's position statements about what The Tonight Show is, might be important to a history of The Tonight Show, or to the 2010 Tonight Show conflict, but not to the TBS show itself. The summary that is relevant to the TBS show (this article's subject) seems to be: (1) Conan had late-night NBC shows since 1993, with similarity to the TBS show; (2) they ended because of timeslot issues (relevant because of Lopez Tonight); and (3) the terms of the NBC contract prevented him from having another TV show until at least September 1, 2010. One thing that might be more relevant (and isn't yet in the article) is TBS's scheduling strategy in putting Conan across from the local news, if WP:RS can be found. --Closeapple (talk) 08:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So how do we go ahead and take a vote? There are currently three paragraphs about The Tonight Show on this page, and I believe it should be cut down to one. Milchama (talk) 17:50, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No. Gage (talk) 06:23, 10 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My vote is Yes. Anyone else? Milchama (talk) 01:00, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't voting. Wikipedia is not a democracy. Gage (talk) 07:31, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

+1 for this topic, i.e. Remove Most Tonight Show Conflict Stuff.. I agree. Focus more on the content of the show in its current form, what it offers, and way less on the history and conflicts. Btw strange that going in Wikipedia to Team Coco aliases to this article, but the banner at the top then does not say, "Team Coco" Redirects Here.. --Peter Vid2vid (talk) 20:55, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ratings column at List of Conan episodes

List of Conan episodes

The ratings column at List of Conan episodes needs to be updated with sourced info. This article only includes Ratings info on the first and 2nd weeks of production. Could be expanded with additional and more current info. -- Cirt (talk) 06:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Conan Concert Series

Somebody should add some info on the ongoing Conan Concert Series. Instead of a regular musical guest in his studio, a nearby stage to his studio hosts a concert, and the show airs a song or two from it, with Conan up on stage introducing the band. Theres plenty of info on this on Conan's site. I simply think this info is relevant and should be added to this article. I won't add it myself as I wouldn't want to mess with the hard work that people have done on this article (in case you don't agree it should be added), and also because I'm not 100% sure I'd be doing it right. Cheers.

Arm gestures in opening

Is there a name for the arm gesture thing Conan does in the opening? I know he jumps when the band is done, but on many episodes he tucks his arms in and does this odd sort of drumbeat dance looking thing….I can't really describe it, but it seems to be a part of his shtick. Anyone know anything about this? 98.206.241.221 (talk) 04:07, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

O'Brien himself addressed the poor ratings

The part that says

O'Brien himself addressed the poor ratings of the show on the December 13, 2011 episode (preceded by an hour show of the best moments from his first year at TBS), stating "If you're watching right now, you're either a huge fan or you lost the remote."

Conan is known for his self insulting jokes. He says stuff like that all the time — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.82.246.7 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 15 March 2012‎

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved to Conan (talk show). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 12:25, 11 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Conan (TV series) → Conan (2010 TV series) – I don't usually do this sort of thing, but when I see a title like "Conan (TV series)," I expect to read about a barbarian, not a comedian. And indeed, Conan the Adventurer (TV series) was broadcast as Conan alone; this is clearly visible in the infobox picture. (Incidentally, that's not a great title either because of Conan the Adventurer (animated series), but that's a separate question.) I propose moving and retargeting the current title to Conan#Television. BDD (talk) 17:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Conan (talk show) might be an option too, and would probably be more recognizable. I see the page was moved there and back in 2012. There are other talk show articles that use this disambiguator, such as Sharon (talk show) and Moments (talk show). --BDD (talk) 17:29, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Conan (talk show) is also acceptable to me. As there were several Cimmerian-based TV shows, that's also something needing disambiguation, WP:NC-TV ; the proposed title, if not used, should exist as a redirect. The current title should redirect to the disambiguation page. -- 65.94.171.206 (talk) 00:22, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've requested the problematic "Conan the Adventurer (TV series)" also be renamed, see talk:Conan the Adventurer (TV series) -- 65.94.171.206 (talk) 00:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support in principle but prefer (talk show) as the dis. Red Slash 01:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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"Conaco" Is No More, And Now A.k.a. "TeamCoco," Eh?..

Conaco now called or nicknamed, "TeamCoco" basically, yes? --Peter Vid2vid (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Covid 19

Does anyone think there should be something added about the show currently being produced from Conan’s home due to the Pandemic? I think it has to do with production and would be a good addition to the article. Wjrz nj forecast ([[Us Wjrz nj forecast (talk) 22:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Conan to end his show at the end of his contract

https://deadline.com/2020/11/conan-to-end-on-tbs-conan-obrien-weekly-variety-show-hbo-max-1234617122/ Anthony Guidetti (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Add "discontinued" to the lead

I propose changing the lead from "Conan is an American variety and late-night talk show" to "Conan is a discontinued American variety and late-night talk show" to increase clarity considering that the show has been discontinued. I contend that without the word "discontinued" the first sentence of the lead reads as though the recurring talk show is still airing. This change is still in the present tense and compliant with MOS:TVNOW. I previously made this change which was reverted by JDDJS with the reason: there is absolutely no precedent for using it in the lead like that. We don't that for shows that were cancelled 50 years ago or shows that were cancelled yesterday. As the change is debated, I am creating this topic to solicit consensus. On the one hand, I believe this change would increase clarity as described above, is not in violation of any Manual of Style as far as I am aware, and therefore should be made. On the other hand, I agree with JDDJS that other articles on the topic of discontinued talk shows do not use the word "discontinued" in the lead, so one could argue that this change is better discussed with respect to a change in the Manual of Style. Nonetheless, I do not believe the wording of other leads should dictate the appropriate lead of this article. Yannn ¹¹ 19:11, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The lead states "that aired for 11 seasons." That makes it pretty clear that it's not currently airing. If that's not good enough, you can add the exact dates that it aired for to the lead sentence. However, the fact that the show isn't currently airing is simply not important enough that it be the first thing stated about the show before it is even stated that it even is a show. It's putting way too much emphasis on it putting it your way. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:33, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is a possible compromise. I've added the years that the show aired to the lead. I think it's also worth noting that "discontinued" appearing before the word "show" is a product of the head directionality of noun phrases in English and does not necessarily imply significance. The word show would still be the head of the phrase. Yannn ¹¹ 00:52, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How long did it run for

it went from 2010 to 2021 11 seasons but it was only 8 years? ThaddeusThomas (talk) 17:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]