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Criminal category?

Is he a criminal if only accused? If not, we should remove any criminal-related categories, right? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 02:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added DSA and Angela Davis

Hey all. I added the Democratic Socialists of America and Angela Davis to his list of attempted victims, as they are clearly included on the spreadsheet in the police document. I think the original article had a slight (unintentional) center-left POV bias as portraying him as a Trump supporter who was angry at Democrats. (This is evidenced by the current "see also" list which includes lists to terrorists attacks by far-right conservative terrorists targeting Democratic figureheads but not terrorist attacks by other Neo-Nazi terrorists) The individual in question was clearly an explicit neo-Nazi who believed in the cultural Marxism conspiracy theory and chose his targets based on that criteria, not based on vague conservative / pro-Trump sentiment against the Democrats. (The police report explicitly says so) The article should be further edited to show how his planned attack followed the instructions of the Breveik manifesto, and also to include logistical details such as the weapons and ammunition he had on him.2601:5C4:C400:ABD0:EC6C:291A:FB67:A4B0 (talk) 06:44, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Convicted with no trial?

This article seems very biased and makes it sound as though it is a fact that he did what he is accused of, currently he is only charged with a weapons charge and drug possession. Everything else is just fluff until / if he is charged with more, the way the article is written makes it sound like he has been convicted of blowing up half the country. 2600:1700:1EC1:30C0:88ED:FCB8:7393:9259 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:28, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, clear bias in the article, while the sources do use the term allegedly. Imagine, if he was a leftist, Jew or Muslim. The treatment would be completely different. --105.4.3.43 (talk) 13:12, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Time line gap

The Career section of the article currently (version link) says:

"Hasson served in the Marine Corps from 1988 to 1993. He was then on active duty with the Army National Guard for approximately two years. He began working for the Coast Guard in 2016."

Five years in the Corps, then two in the Guard (to ~1995), then nothing until 2016? What was he doing for those two decades? – Athaenara ✉ 16:22, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article in The Mercury News^[1] says he was in the Coast Guard for "more than two decades" which, if true, means he joined a lot earlier than 2016. – Athaenara ✉ 16:38, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ The Washington Post (February 21, 2019). "Coast Guard lieutenant ordered held 14 days while prosecutors weigh terror charges". The Mercury News. Retrieved February 22, 2019.

Fixed. – Athaenara ✉ 14:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Residence

Unresolved

There is a conflict in the Personal life section between "Hasson lived in Silver Spring, Maryland.^[1]" and "he lived in a cramped basement apartment in a small house in Langley Park.^[2]" They're neighboring areas, but they are in different counties. -- Pemilligan (talk) 17:30, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Dilanian, Ken; Williams, Pete (20 February 2019). "Coast Guard officer wanted to kill Democrats, TV hosts, say prosecutors". NBC News. Retrieved 20 February 2019.
^ Lehan, Bruce (February 21, 2019). "Neighbors shocked: Accussed domestic terrorist Christopher Hasson lived in a Latino community". WUSA 9 (CBS). Retrieved February 21, 2019.

Terrorist?

"Terrorist" categorizations have recently been removed, with the edit summary linking to a Baltimore Sun article saying the subject hasn't yet been charged (and may not be charged) with terrorism-related offenses. I think that the definition of "terrorist" is not "one who is charged with a terrorism-related offense" or "one who is convicted of terrorism". I think a terrorist is a "terrorist" if the reliable sources call him a "terrorist", regardless of whether they are charged and convicted. I can post links to newspaper articles if anyone doubts this, but I'm claiming that, like, every single newspaper article about this guy says that (1) he is a white nationalist or white supremacist, and (2) he is a domestic terrorist (or attempted domestic terrorist). So, I think these categories should be applied here. Thoughts? Leviv ich 14:35, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[MercuryNewsWashPo-1] The Washington Post (February 21, 2019). "Coast Guard lieutenant ordered held 14 days while prosecutors weigh terror charges". The Mercury News. Retrieved February 22, 2019.

[NBC-2] Dilanian, Ken; Williams, Pete (20 February 2019). "Coast Guard officer wanted to kill Democrats, TV hosts, say prosecutors". NBC News. Retrieved 20 February 2019.

[3] Lehan, Bruce (February 21, 2019). "Neighbors shocked: Accussed domestic terrorist Christopher Hasson lived in a Latino community". WUSA 9 (CBS). Retrieved February 21, 2019.

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