Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Turkey

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Petition to merge article "Timeline of the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Turkey" with this article

Timeline of the 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Turkey should be merged with this article, there is already a timeline in this article. What do you think?   ApChrKey   ^Talk 21:09, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

@ApChrKey: I agree. The two articles are almost identical. The timeline thing should not have been created in the first place. Unless we leave everything in detail for that article and then trim this article down a little bit and only include key information here. I think a merge would be easier and more appropriate though. Keivan.f^Talk 07:02, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

At this point, I would not support a merge anymore. The current article has been shaped into specific sections, while the timeline has everything in chronological order. I think we should leave it as it is. Keivan.f^Talk 03:03, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I aggree with @Keivan.f:, they seem to differ more in shape with every day. BactrianCamelCase (talk) 05:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Death Toll Numbers for the provinces come from Health Department?

The health department page seems to have nothing about the case numbers (could be something obvious I missed), and the map showing cases in provinces does not have a source. Rethliopuks (talk) 12:01, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

You’re right. The city/province data are pure speculation. It’s not mentioned where those data come from. Allakallak 21:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Actually wrong, all the cities in map are confirmed cases. The sources are right and mostly official. Map is not a full picture but it still helps to see the spread. I think it have to be back. --Blamethrower35 (talk) 05:22, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

In any case the map seem to show incostincies in its current state. It's been noted in the map definition that İstanbul, Ankara, Artvin, Kastamonu, Şanlıurfa, Trabzon, Van, Kayseri and İzmir all have confirmed cases but Ankara is marked blue and Artvin not marked at all. BactrianCamelCase (talk) 20:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

If you're sure, we just would like to know the sources. It's unbeleviable; we cannot get the correct information neither from the state nor from public. Allakallak 07:02, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I know from first hand that a covid patient is in ahievran uni hospital (in Kırşehir) and 1 more is coming but Kırşehir is not showing on the map. Since I cant prove it nor can I put a source for it I am not sure if it is relevant though. 88.244.113.27 (talk) 21:10, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Cases per date and province

Is there any publicly available data to create a table with cases per date and province? I've seen this on many countries COVID-19 articles. Emailsson (talk) 15:37, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I noticed a new "Overview" section under the "Statistics" part of the article; I remember someone creating a table for cities breakdown with empty data, which got deleted quickly. Is this "Overview" part a remnant of that edit? Or someone found a reliable source for case stats for cities and preparing a new table? --BactrianCamelCase (talk) 19:27, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

On national desaster prevention I kindly ask subdivision of the District between Antalya and Mersin going to North, in Northern direction.

according to extrapolation, the northern part is dark, the southern part is white. such a Low accuracy would mean, a) one could fly Antalya and Mersin on direct flights, b) the Eastern Istambul Airport area is affected too. leading to Lockdown of both Main Istanbul airports. c) all supply of TK should run via Mersin ports. the ones Cyprus uses. noone to enter Istanbul port, and running Cargo trains to supply main towns. D) how about Iran border?

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Proposed Template for Case and Death numbers by Province

I have worked on a template in my sandbox to create a table by date and by province. Here you can find it at Draft of Template. I'd like to include it, however I cannot find an official source to update this table regularly. If you are aware of any source like this, please help me improve, create and include this template. --Caner Güçlü ^talk 01:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

New template looks nicer but referencing same source for both cases and deaths is misleading since the source you refer only report case numbers as of 3 April 2020 and the numbers on the death column is still from 1 April 2020. --BactrianCamelCase (talk) 10:21, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, just noticed that your totals do not really sum the column data, they in fact represent the latest numbers announced by the Ministry of Health. I believe they further complicate the table and should be removed. --BactrianCamelCase (talk) 10:42, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@BactrianCamelCase:: This question was actually not regarding what I already included. I'd like to hear about including Draft of data By date and by province as soon as data becomes available. On the other hand, you are right about the death and case by province template that I already included. Unfortunately Turkish government is not following any systematic announcement system. I wanted to clarify those with footnotes. However I may comment totals row out (which will break the templatestyle css from working properly I believe).

You can have one column per province and include deaths in brackets. Seems to be the style the of choice in several other countries templates. Emailsson (talk) 06:23, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Emailsson: That's gotta make it simpler, I'll do it in my first convenience. Caner Güçlü ^talk 17:15, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

References

Panic buying

Regarding to the pictures used in the article, there has not been extreme panic buying in Turkey as it has happened in the United States.

• Pasta, (File:Empty pasta shelves at the supermarket in Istanbul, Turkey.jpg) Google search: There has been a brief demand for pasta, and related association made a statement that they will "drown" Turkey with pasta if there's a shortage. But there's not a wide out-of-stock situation.
• Toilet paper, (File:Empty toilet paper shelves at the supermarket in Istanbul, Turkey.jpg) Google search: No apparent increase in demand in the news for Turkey.
• No picture for Cologne, (Google search): There has been a demand, and price increase, but no panic buying in masses, even the government delivers free cologne.

I believe that these pictures are some local incidents. Also note that, the pictures are from a chain market, which has small branches. Some branches are less than 5 minutes away (400 meters) from each other (Google Maps). They generally have moderate stocks. Should we remove those pictures?--Joseph (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

First case

The first case was reported on 10 March --Conderas (talk) 09:50, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Active cases vs. confirmed cases

I'm inclined to delete the column "active cases" from the data table. It's gives a false indication of the active cases, because it's a straighforward calculation that uses "confirmed cases", "confirmed deaths" and "confirmed recoveries". There is no such relation linking these variables with each other. If the variables were "all cases" (meaning: confirmed + unconfirmed cases), "all deaths" (meaning: confirmed + unconfirmed deaths) and "all recoveries", then yes it would make sense to calculate the active cases. For example, if 97 are death today on April 12th, it doesn't mean all of the 97 died today. They are only counted to todays statistics. This happens in all countries with high numbers. The reason for this delay is a technical issue. This is also one of the reasons why some days there is an outlier in the graphs. There are also countries for example that doesn't test death people (died at home) due to resource allocation issues. There are also countries that test only old people like Italy. What I'm trying to say is that the "confirmed cases", "confirmed deaths" and "confirmed recoveries" are not simple variables and are giving a distorded indication of the active cases. --Randam (talk) 01:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Location of the Index case

Any information on where the first case in the country was from? I have been searching but found no answer. If any Turkish editors can search Turkish media, that would be great. The information is needed for the infobox. Thanks --Shawnqual (talk) 09:47, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

The index case was never made public due to privacy reasons and in order to prevent people from panicking and relocating. The first case (traveller from Europe) was officially confirmed on 11 March. --Randam (talk) 01:34, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

International Aid

Ireland should be painted as well. Can someone please update the map? --DarkPirate35 (talk) 00:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC) Türkiye'den İrlanda'ya yardım eli! 173 yıl sonra bir kez daha.. Aynı devlet bu hafta da kişisel koruyucu ekipman hibe etti." denildi.

Thank you for notifying. It is updated now. Randam (talk) 01:57, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Low mortality

Regarding the disproportionately low COVID death rate in Turkey, I think the end of the 2nd paragraph is misleading. It says that the low rate is attributed to "the country's relatively young population and high number of available intensive care units", whereas pretty much everything I've read elsewhere (in non-Turkish RS publications like NYT) suggests rather that the number does not include all deaths due to reporting problems, and may even be kept artificially low for political reasons. Specifically on ICU availability, I'm not convinced that Turkey has particularly high capacity: eg. this WHO data source gives a figure of 259 acute care hospital beds per 100K population, as compared with EU average of 394 or the Central Asian Republics figure of 367. I'm not suggesting that this article gets into detailed deliberation on the reliability or otherwise of the Turkish figures, but I also don't think we should leave the text as it is, without at least adding a counterpoint, because as it stands it presents a one-sided view. Thoughts? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:01, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Late reply, but Turkey has the highest number of ICU beds per 100,000 residents (see https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds). The number of deaths can be compared against the number of burials and deaths that are announced by local authorities -- and the local authorities in Ankara, Istanbul and Izmir belong to the opposition parties, which makes it difficult to "hide" the number of deaths.

Portugal1337 (talk) 00:54, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Portugal1337 The amount of ICU beds per residents has a relatively low impact / negligible impact on the overall death rate (besides it is not only the beds..). There are many developed countries (Germany, Sweden, Austria, Switzerland...) which never exceeded their capability of ICU beds but have still a far higher death rate. -- Tensorproduct (talk) 21:25, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Tensorproduct, (1) Germany's median age is 47.8 (Austria: 44.5; Sweden: 41.1; Switzerland:42.7). Turkey's is 30.9. Fatality rate increases by age. I think a lower death rate is to be expected solely by demographics. Also, there's a big stigma against (2) nursing homes (Altenpflegeheimen) in Turkey – they became vectors of spread in many countries; because old people have a tendency not to cluster in Turkey, the fatality rate remained depressed. Hyios monogenes (talk) 05:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Hyios monogenes: I agree that this (and other factors) make much more sense than the amount of free beds. Tensorproduct (talk) 23:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

New Daily case

New daily case update 25 november: 28.351 26 november: 29.132 https://covid19.saglik.gov.tr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.135.206.230 (talk) 18:01, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

I am very confused by the new reporting system. Is there a detailed explanation for the breakdown in English? Thanks

Portugal1337 (talk) 00:56, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

I couldn't find an official explanation in english but this was a know issue. Basically "hasta sayısı" means ill count and it shows the number of people with positive test and have symptoms. "vaka sayısı" means case count and it shows people with positive test. If you look at the past official announcements you will see that after 26 nov (26 kasım in turkish) there is an additional section called "vaka sayısı" prior to 26 nov "vaka sayısı" was not anounced for various reasons. also if someone finds a source for this please add this to wiki

176.236.104.161 (talk) 08:03, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

There is literally no logical reason for their secretiveness about the case numbers neither have they stated any. Efekankorpez (Efekankorpez|talk) 20:55, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

References

Request for comment - cases change metrics

Please take part in discussion here: Project COVID-19, Medical cases charts - change type — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kohraa Mondel (talk • contribs) 23:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Maps

We need to update the maps because Health Minister Fahrettin Koca will announce the number of cases by province as of today.[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eray08yigit (talk • contribs) 09:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

• [2] Eray08yigit (talk • contribs) 18:17, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Intensive care units claim

In the 3rd paragraph it talks about the number of intensive care units, with reference [7] being the source - after reading the source it doesn't make any reference to the number of ICU's and appears completely unrelated Phil Shipley (talk) 11:12, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Covid 19 Don't look like a habit in Russia nobody there where's a mask or is that just putin

How is covid in Europe 2600:387:F:E18:0:0:0:6 (talk) 22:32, 30 March 2022 (UTC)