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2015 Tianjin explosions

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All three sources given state that it was "Tianjin TV". Stop adding Beijing News' "explanation" and stop adding "Satellite" to make it fit better. No RS has printed any of that BS

Wikipedia isn't here to serve the propaganda purposes of ~~your masters in~~ Beijing. See WP:Primary Source. Thank you zzz (talk) 19:42, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I have your talk page on my WP:watchlist so if you wish to reply you should do so here. zzz (talk) 20:16, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification, though if you check, the source from iFeng states clearly that it is the "Satellite Channel" (a Channel belonging to Tianjin TV) and not just "Tianjin TV", so ~~I thought it was like "people thought that candidates were too unorthodox" versus "people thought that Trump and Sanders were too unorthodox" where both are correct but clarification is better~~ the part concerning the regulation, worded just as "television channels", was factually incorrect. Also, if you check, the source is not really "explaining" anything in the sense that it sees a phenomenon presented to it and seeks for the underlying cause; it is stating a clause of a regulation that was an explicit part of the facts and that explicitly took part in shaping multiple rather significant events (e.g. Tianjin news not live reporting; journalists fully ready waiting in situ for permission to transmit data to TJTV to broadcast; journalists dispatched by Tianjin media transmitting data to CCTV only; CCTV which is in Beijing, whose reporters only arrived 4a.m., reporting live instead; public uproar that Tianjin Satellite Channel (the only Tianjin channel accessible nationwide) should be doing that; later reports recycling data from the night but back then no such was publicly available when no regulations/censoring directed to the explosions even existed).

Now don't mistake me; I don't think the source is entirely factual either since every person from Tianjin tells me that no local Television did live report (the source claims that they did, and ^[1]), but I think it has this truth in it, so I cited it. And as much as truth is concerned and nothing more is involved, it is good; or you can just dismiss that and think that all sources must contain no content error entirely to be acceptable for Wikipedia.

By just citing WP:Primary Source, are you suggesting that I did "analyze, evaluate, interpret, or synthesize material found in a primary source [my]self", that it is an exceptional claim and WP:EXCEPTIONAL, or actually that WP:SOURCE and it is not a reliable source? And WP:GF please, thank you very much. (sᴍıʟᴇ) Rethliopuks (talk) 02:46, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, agreed - I was just a little shocked to see myself mentioned in an edit summary before my first cup of coffee. No, by citing primary source I am saying that Beijing News, in controversial/sensitive matters concerning the public image of the CCP, cannot be seen as anything other than a primary source - it is inconceivable that they would do anything other than defend the official line. Since the article was accurately reporting what all other sources said, I can't see why to muddy the waters with their propaganda. (That's not to say that they absolutely can't be trusted on anything.) It's just that I find it hard to swallow anything that is printed in the officially sanctioned Chinese press that puts the CCP in a better light. The part about regulations is now gone, for the reason you stated. Do you think the section, as it stands, is inaccurate? zzz (talk) 04:18, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Data !!!

Hello Rethliopuks, I noticed you push on the data side of the Wuhan epidemic. Would you be ok to move these data tables into templates space ? Such as {{2019-20 Wuhan coronavirus China data by province}}, by example ? It would isolate the data, ease maintenance, and it would be as easy (simplier) to include in the articles. I did it for {{2019_coronavirus_pandemic_data}} and I'am quite happy of it. The template gets improved and updated by several users now, and a discussion is taking place. Yug (talk) 15:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes of course! Thank you for your kind offer. Rethliopuks (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, as a new wikipedian editor, if you ever have conflict wirh other wikipedians : sit back, ask the rational and explanaitions and be ready to listen it, call me over. I may help bridge both side ;) Yug (talk) 22:52, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan News

Taiwan News is a credible news source...and just because a report is single-source does not make that inappropriate, especially if it's a time-sensitive piece of data, such as inadvertent data releases (that are subsequently withdrawn); happens all the time. Please stop deleting the Tencent story on the 2019-nCoV timeline. It stands as-is...and credibly so. --2600:1700:80:5AD0:5528:57EE:F835:719 (talk) 01:19, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am worried because the content is straightforward to fabricate. You can do it yourself by editing the source code of the webpage from your end. It is an extraordinary claim so it requires extraordinary evidence. That was not to say that Taiwan news wasn't a credible source, but rather that the claim is so substantial yet based on so shaky grounds that it should require more credible sources to back up. If you read closely, the Taiwan news article never seemed to suggest that they verified the data as authentic -- in substance merely relaying what circulated on the Internet. Hence we should be cautious and at least cite a credible source which claims to have verified its evidence. Rethliopuks (talk) 05:28, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source of data for province-level cases of coronavirus?

I do not see any source of data for province-level cases. I see a cited source for total cases, but that does include only a few provinces. (For example, where are the data from guandong province from? Not in the cited page.) I cannot verify those independently. ----221.121.29.157 (talk) 03:51, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I do have all the sources but was worried that adding 100 sources every three days would clunk up the page. I can certainly add them all back if you want, although it would take me a while. Also, even if I were to add the sources, I'd plan to list them separately from the table as the tallying can be absolute pain; I'm using excel for all the summations and subtractions, and it's just orders of magnitude easier to just copy and paste rows. What do you think? Rethliopuks (talk) 06:53, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep up the good work!

Hi, Rethliopuks! I just wanted to say that your last contribution here on the article Timeline of the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak in February 2020 was great :)

I believe we need more content coming directly from original sources in chinese and you have been doing a terrific job. Keep up the good work! Have a nice day! :) FranciscoMMartins (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

+1 ! thanks for the good work. Mentor recomendations : always ask around to understand better the wikipedia rules and practices :), and make some friends to call over if you see something fishy. Yug (talk) 15:52, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Coronavirus China cases chart

I assume you did not intend to, but your edits changing the colours of the chart bars were incorrect. As explained in the description (citing CNN^[2]), from 10 to 18 Feb China included clinically diagnosed cases in their count even if they were not lab-tested. From 19 Feb onwards, China reverted to counting only lab-tested cases, but did not subtract the non-lab-tested cases counted during 10 to 18 Feb. And from 16 Feb onwards there is to my knowledge no data for total lab-tested cases. Hence we cannot label any of the numbers from 16 Feb onwards as "lab-tested". We could estimate that the total lab-tested cases reached ≈54000 as of 19 Feb, which would imply that it would reach ≈57000 as of 23 Feb, leaving ≈20000 clinically diagnosed cases included in the published count. If you know any reliable sources with data on lab-tested cases, let me know and we can work it into the chart. Thanks! 202.166.16.132 (talk) 06:04, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@202.166.16.132: Hubei initially subtracted all the CD cases not testing positive for its data of 19 Feb and reverted the change later. This should give you the number and I believe it was 426. All the cases since 19 Feb are tested ones plus the restored handful of hundred cases in Hubei. I absolutely meant to change the colours; I just didn't find the time/energy to insert the 426 number and source + explanation at the time. Rethliopuks (talk) 06:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't think that I did not read that. That 426 was only relevant to 19 Feb. I don't understand why you insist on your reading when the CNN article explicitly supports what I said:

Tu Yuanchao, deputy director of Hubei Health Committee, said at a press conference that the provincial government has banned the practice of reducing the number of already confirmed cases. Tu said that all the cases that were confirmed but then retroactively dismissed as they no longer fitted the reporting requirements would be added back to the total tally. "These adjustments in numbers have attracted huge public attention, caused some doubts about the data. As a result, Ying Yong, secretary of the provincial Party committee, attached great importance to this issue. He explicitly ordered that no subtraction be allowed for already-confirmed cases and all subtractions be added back," Tu said.

I tell you what, you find some reliable source that explicitly states the number of lab-tested cases, and we will follow that. 202.166.16.132 (talk) 07:32, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@202.116.16.132: Is any source possibly more authoritative than the Health Commission of Hubei? Well, did you read the source I added from CCTV? Also, if you really want to discuss, I'd advise not using an IP address as that makes pinging fairly difficult. Rethliopuks (talk) 08:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that they never stated the number of lab-tested cases so far. They even explicitly stated that they would not subtract already-confirmed cases, which means that the thousands of cases clinically diagnosed from 10 to 18 Feb but not lab-tested would NOT be subtracted. Hence we do not know the real number of lab-tested cases. I don't mind if you think the rejected cases from 19 Feb onwards (i.e. clinically diagnosed but negative lab-test) should be counted under "clinically diagnosed" or not, because I can see reasonable argument for either choice. One choice (yours) is to count "at first clinically diagnosed". The other choice (mine) was simply to let the final total count be the most accurate actual number we have, which means excluding those that were explicitly stated to be negative.

However, I see that you have used a different colour for 16 Feb onwards, and I think that may be the best solution, since it does respect the data that we have (or don't have), and does not colour lab-tested cases as "clinically diagnosed". So I am fine with your current version, and only made a change to the legend at the top of the chart to match it.

Don't worry about pinging me; I was watching this page. I hope we are now agreed on a good representation of the data. So thank you. 202.166.16.132 (talk) 10:12, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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{{unblock|reason=I am sorry for violating the three-revert rule. I stopped what I thought was my third revert but I was wrong, it was my fifth already. I was not aware that edits that override edit conflicts may also count as "revert". I had engaged with the IP user's rapid reverting edit war because I was worried that there would not be a way to effectively notify an IP editor, and I was not aware that Wikipedia had fast dispute resolution channels, not having familiarised myself with any. I will definitely be mindful from now on first to communicate and resolve the issues. I will keep mindful of the nature of my edits, not effectively reverting other editors' contributions in violation of [[WP:3RR]]. I have familiarised myself with a few ways to reliably ping an IP user which I previously was not aware had existed, such as an IP user talk page able to notify the IP user. I will use such channels in future. I have since read through and understood Wikipedia policies for the classification criteria of violations and their respective resolution mechanisms; should anything that might count as urgent happen in future, I will use an official resolution channel for third party judgment. If I am unblocked, I will be able to make constructive contributions to the coronavirus templates and timeline updates that are timely.}} Rethliopuks (talk) 12:05, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you modify your request. The problem isn't WP:3RR; careful counting will not keep you out of trouble. The issue is WP:EDITWAR; 3RR is just an obvious symptom of edit warring. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 15:10, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. Honestly, the only essential reason I ever undertook in the edit war was because I didn't know of any reliable method to notify an IP user of a discussion. I have added my clarification. Rethliopuks (talk) 01:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am disabling your unblock request to prevent yet more administrators from wasting their time reviewing it, because the block has expired, as you must know, since you have edited again. JBW (talk) 16:05, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I've supplemented some contexts which made her notable. Her death attracted national attention and considerable controversies ensued which occupied press coverage for days. She was also an important figure in the early chronology of the coronavirus outbreak. A Google search for her returns more than five million results: https://www.google.com/search?q=%E6%9F%B3%E5%B8%86+%22%E6%8A%A4%E5%A3%AB%22 . Rethliopuks (talk) 14:49, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Summary table by region in Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Italy medical cases

Hi. I support the idea of having a summary of the regional data, but another table I think it's too much. I think what might be good is a bar-chart (like the one for the daily new cases) with the regions on the x-axis and the most recent total number on the y-axis. This would also serve as a visual help to understand the numbers. Cheers. --Ritchie92 (talk) 11:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Sorry for the tardy reply. What I would like to see is just a sortable table that allows for seeing which regions have the most/least cases, deaths, discharged ppl, etc. Currently Wikipedia does not support horizontal sorting for some reason, so I thought it might be a good idea to have a transposed table for the situation, like there is for South Korea. What do you think? Rethliopuks (talk) 10:42, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong date format, please revert

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Thanks for letting me know -- obviously it was unlikely to be a hill I would insist on dying on, so if next time you see this happen you could probably just revert it yourself. Rethliopuks (talk) 14:40, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Wondering your thoughts

On making tables like this for the top 25 or so affected countries? The first table specifically.Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Spain medical cases Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:47, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One for Italy is missing 2020 coronavirus pandemic in Italy

With the needed data here http://opendatadpc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/b0c68bce2cce478eaac82fe38d4138b1

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Thanks for asking me. If you mean a summarised breakdown by (at least) the first-level/major administrative divisions (or other applicable divisions of major regions), then yes, I absolutely support it. My concern is not only the clarity it would bring for people interested in knowing about the situations of specific regions, but also a more accurate representation of the situation of the pandemic. For example, Turkey had 21K cases as of 04/04, but of which 12K were in Istanbul alone, 2K in Ankara + Izmir, and another 5K in the rest of the western half of the country. That is very different from a scenario where any region has approximately the same order of number of cases.Rethliopuks (talk) 09:59, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just to check if I understood your question, because it looks to me as though the first table in the Spanish template is of the same kind as the first one in Template:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Italy medical cases. Rethliopuks (talk) 10:06, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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