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Background music reused claim

First off, since in the last edit summary the editor seemed unclear on this point, the reason this claim is dubious is because Sonic and the Black Knight is from a different franchise and a different publisher. So if the claim were true, that would mean Sega went through licensing negotiations and paid Virgin money so that they could reuse music from a game which relatively few people played. Obviously, that doesn't make sense.

The statement that "most of the sources are YouTube videos" suggests that this claim is based on personal observations of similarities between the two tunes. This shouldn't need saying, but there are several possible reasons why such similarities exist, among them pure coincidence. As for the cited source, as noted on the "about" page, Whosampled is WP:USERG, and therefore not reliable.--Martin IIIa (talk) 16:58, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I think I've removed it in the past, only to have it re-added. But as is, it's completely original research. Sergecross73 msg me 17:32, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone ever listened to those tunes before saying that the claim was based on "personal observations of similarities between the two tunes"? I wrote that because YOUTUBE IT'S THE ONLY SOURCE WHERE YOU CAN LISTEN TO THOSE TUNES. There's not a single review, not a single gaming article which says anything about the two tunes themselves. Sonic's is a rearranged version of Black Dawn's, it's not rocket science. That claim was there for ages, i did not add it originally, yet suddenly it has become "dubious". Also Tommy Tallarico contributed music for the game (https://www.gamezone.com/originals/tommy-tallarico-making-music-for-sonic-and-the-black-knight-wants-to-work-on-mario/), it's even listed in the Sonic's page... so he had all the rights to reuse his own music in another game (paying Virgin? seriously?). Also search for "Recycled Soundtrack" on TV Tropes, under "Video Games", he did the same to other titles where he originally contributed music to (yeah, another "source that's not really a source", but whatever at this point...). Sega Retro lists "Molten Mine", "The Cauldron" and "The Great Megalith" as the names of the pieces of soundtrack he made. Molten Mine is the infamous track, of course. And of course that's still not considered a source, heh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.41.74.209 (talk) 12:46, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You still need a source that directly verifies the claim, or it's not valid for inclusion on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 14:20, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, i think i've found ONE source: https://www.sonicstadium.org/tag/molten-mine/ if this is not good enough ban me and lock the pages. Seriously, search for "There is, however, a single, individual piece of music". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.41.74.209 (talk) 14:59, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The IP appears to have dropped this, but for future reference, Sonic Stadium is not what Wikipedia considers a reliable source, and even if it was, the author doesn't particularly sound authoritative in making the claim anyways. Sergecross73 msg me 13:49, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]