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Thank you. - Mainstreammark (talk) 19:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Requested move 19 March 2015
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Move to Batman: Arkham Origins (mobile). We have clear consensus against using "app", and this option is the best supported. Cúchullain t/c 14:12, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Batman: Arkham Origins (app) → Batman: Arkham Origins (mobile video game) – This article has been moved and reverted twice now, supposedly because the disambiguator "mobile" is not standard. However, the disambiguator "app" is also not standard, and is not proper disambiguation per WP:NCVG. Since the article Batman: Arkham Origins exists, "video game" is too ambiguous, therefore the additional disambiguation of "mobile" should be added to this article. Fortdj33 (talk) 13:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:PRECISE (one word to describe this subject is sufficient), and per the precedent/standard set by several other article titles for mobile apps: Yo (app), Swarm (app), Prismatic (app), Pulse (app), Whisper (app), and Couple (app). (There are more, but I think this illustrates my point enough.) Steel1943 (talk) 14:42, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- I understand that other stuff exists, but none of the examples that you gave are video games. And as stated above, since there is already an article for Batman: Arkham Origins, this article should follow WP:NCVG for disambiguation. However, since both games were also released the same year, additional disambiguation is necessary per WP:NCVGDAB, which states to 'Disambiguate by appending "(video game)"'. Therefore, in this case, the additional disambiguation of "mobile" should be added, to differentiate this article from the other "Batman: Arkham Origins", which was also released in 2013. Fortdj33 (talk) 19:28, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- I agree. Mobile game may run as an "app", but they're not generally referred to as an app in general, so I think it would be confusing to use as a disambiguation term. Mobile games are generally referred to as video games. Sergecross73 msg me 19:44, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- I agree as well; (app) may be a fine disambiguation for applications, but for video games it doesn't work. It should be "Batman: Arkham Origins (mobile video game)". --PresN 19:57, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- I agree. Mobile game may run as an "app", but they're not generally referred to as an app in general, so I think it would be confusing to use as a disambiguation term. Mobile games are generally referred to as video games. Sergecross73 msg me 19:44, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- I understand that other stuff exists, but none of the examples that you gave are video games. And as stated above, since there is already an article for Batman: Arkham Origins, this article should follow WP:NCVG for disambiguation. However, since both games were also released the same year, additional disambiguation is necessary per WP:NCVGDAB, which states to 'Disambiguate by appending "(video game)"'. Therefore, in this case, the additional disambiguation of "mobile" should be added, to differentiate this article from the other "Batman: Arkham Origins", which was also released in 2013. Fortdj33 (talk) 19:28, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: Fortdj33, Sergecross73, and PresN, I'm open to WP:NCVG being updated to address this move request. My opposition above is based solely on a few factors that would be diminished if the guideline is updated: there are currently no currently-existing articles that use the term "mobile video game" as a disambiguator, the standard right now seems to be "app" (as I stated above), and WP:NCVG does not seem to mention or consider "video game apps" in its scope. Steel1943 (talk) 20:37, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- With all due respect Steel1943, if WP:NCVG is to be modified, it should be to include the word "mobile", not the word "app". This article was titled Batman: Arkham Origins (mobile) before you changed it, which was in line with similar articles, such as Saints Row 2 (mobile) and Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy (mobile). The word "app" might be the standard for applications that are not video games, but articles such as Flight Control (video game), Rolando (video game) and Tiger Woods PGA Tour (video game) are all apps and follow WP:NCVG, as should this one. Fortdj33 (talk) 20:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Fortdj33: In all honesty, it does not matter to me what the disambiguator is determined to be; I just used "app" since it was consistent with other existing articles. I'd support your proposed disambiguator (or any other disambiguator, for that matter) only if the applicable guidelines are updated, given that I believe in consistent disambiguators across all articles if possible. Steel1943 (talk) 21:27, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- In fact, per your finds, it looks as though the disambiguator "mobile" is the current standard disambiguator for such articles ... yet another monkey wrench thrown into having articles keep consistent disambiguators... Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- I would support a move back to Batman: Arkham Origins (mobile). Fortdj33 (talk) 12:12, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- In fact, per your finds, it looks as though the disambiguator "mobile" is the current standard disambiguator for such articles ... yet another monkey wrench thrown into having articles keep consistent disambiguators... Steel1943 (talk) 21:30, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Fortdj33: In all honesty, it does not matter to me what the disambiguator is determined to be; I just used "app" since it was consistent with other existing articles. I'd support your proposed disambiguator (or any other disambiguator, for that matter) only if the applicable guidelines are updated, given that I believe in consistent disambiguators across all articles if possible. Steel1943 (talk) 21:27, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- With all due respect Steel1943, if WP:NCVG is to be modified, it should be to include the word "mobile", not the word "app". This article was titled Batman: Arkham Origins (mobile) before you changed it, which was in line with similar articles, such as Saints Row 2 (mobile) and Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy (mobile). The word "app" might be the standard for applications that are not video games, but articles such as Flight Control (video game), Rolando (video game) and Tiger Woods PGA Tour (video game) are all apps and follow WP:NCVG, as should this one. Fortdj33 (talk) 20:59, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- For the record, I still oppose the proposed move, but now, I support moving to Batman: Arkham Origins (mobile) (which is essentially a revert to my original move), provided that any applicable naming convention pages (such as WP:NCVG) get updated to address this as a standard. Otherwise, I will support whatever standard is determined on the applicable naming convention page(s). Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- Move to Batman: Arkham Origins (mobile) - "(app)" has no precedent of usage for video games, is too "casual", and is a shortname for "application". I could see it used in some cases for companion apps to video games if both bore the same title and there was really a need for a standalone article, but not for actual mobile spinoff games like this. Per WP:NCVGDAB's newly minted point 4, which I see as a simple extension of point 3, since "(mobile)" in this case can be considered the platform on which the game is played. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 13:32, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, I can see the possibility that using app in the title could imply that this is a companion app as opposed to a full game.--174.91.184.226 (talk) 21:06, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
- Support move to the original title of this article, Batman: Arkham Origins (mobile). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:03, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.