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Changing name from "pradesh" to "province".

To correct the language; as 'pradesh is a Nepali word and actually gives additional word to the name. When we write pradesh (in English) we should still write "province" for clarification. So I suggest to write province instead of pradesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kathmandu99 (talk • contribs) 07:17, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 7 October 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. The nomination, and supporting comments do not present their rationale on the basis of "translation" in English, but on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME. —usernamekiran (talk) 15:11, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bagmati Pradesh → Bagmati Province
Gandaki Pradesh → Gandaki Province
Lumbini Pradesh → Lumbini Province
Karnali Pradesh → Karnali Province
Sudurpashchim Pradesh → Sudurpashchim Province

– The use of "Pradesh" for named provinces is the status-quo, though unnamed provinces use the word "Province" (e.g. Province No. 1). Yesterday, we saw a mass move by one user from "Pradesh" to "Province"[1] which have all been reverted. The prevailing argument for "Pradesh" is that it is part of the proper name in the native language, which is true, and that we do have articles like Uttar Pradesh which would never be moved to Uttar Province [2][3]. In my own search, I found that, when writing in English, sources are not religious about preserving the "Pradesh" in case of Nepalese provinces, instead preferring the loose translation, "Province" (sometimes "province"), which has more or less become the common name. For this reason, I am proposing that Nepalese provinces be named with the English translation usage of "Foo Province" (P capitalised as it is the translation of the proper name "Foo Pradesh", sources also prefer capitalisation, and it is consistent with other geographic titles on Wikipedia such as "Foo River", and "Foo District" for Nepalese districts.) Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:43, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps WP:IFITAINTBROKE should also be considered because it will take a lot of work to change everything that will need to be changed following the move, if the consensus is to move. On the other hand, the number of things needing to be so changed will only increase with time, so if the proposed move would be the better choice long-term, we should do it now so that the necessary changes can be begun immediately. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:07, 7 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– I have no idea whether Pradesh should be change with Province or not because I If you change Pradesh with Province then there is a province in Nepal which is named according to It's situation, then it will also need to be translated in English. For Example Sudurpashchim Pradesh is Nepali translation for Far West Province. It is similar to indian state Uttar Pradesh which is Northern Province or Northern State in English. I have no idea-- 👤Raju💌 05:55, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, may be Province No. 1 will be renamed as Purbanchal Pradesh tomorrow, I am not sure, then it will be translated as Eastern Zonal Province in English. What should we do?--- 👤Raju💌 06:04, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sources seem okay with "Sudurpaschim Province", sometimes even using "Sudurpaschim" as a proper name all on its own.[4][5][6][7] Personally, I am perfectly happy with continuing to use "Pradesh". But sources seem set on making "Province" the English WP:COMMONNAME. And an editor has objected to using "Pradesh". So, we need to settle this, one way or the other. Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:11, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, I searched on google and found in various English news links that they are using province instead of pradesh in English, so it's okay Pradesh should be change with Province in English. Also mind on Gaunpalikas which is Rural Council in English. --- 👤Raju💌 12:25, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It's not about STATUSQUO nor is it about how much work it takes to fix it. The decider here, per article title policy has to be WP:COMMONNAME, which is: "the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)". In particular, what they are called in Nepal, or what the official name is, carries no weight in the argument. The reason our article is called Uttar Pradesh, is because that is what it is called in English. The reason the article Nagorno Karabakh is named that way, and not Upper Karabakh (a redirect), is because that is what English sources call it. Be careful about doing Google searches, where the query itself tends to elicit the result you are looking for. A better search might be, "local government in Nepal", or "political divisions in Nepal", or something like that. Any search you do with either the word province or pradesh in the search query itself, is tainted (because of implied WP:CHERRYPICKING) and cannot be used. The remainder of the discussion should be entirely about what these are called in reliable, independent, secondary, sources in English, per WP:COMMONNAME. Mathglot (talk) 06:51, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– Support. It makes no difference either way but it would be easier for people. It is translated as Province and not Pradesh in the official English language websites too. SimulationWig (talk) 14:33, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Per WP:COMMONNAME. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 11:51, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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