Talk:Australian soccer league system

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On 10 March 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Australian men's soccer league system. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Regional Tier

I think the split between State and Regional tiers is misleading. NSWPL is not any more of a 'State-wide' league than the NNSW State League, despite its name - both cover different regions of the same state.

In fact most of the 'State' leagues are just as regionally concentrated as any of the regional leagues, the only difference is the name. All leagues should therefore be placed on the same level. 203.33.163.234 (talk) 09:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The NNSW isn't associated with the main state body though. JRA_Westy Qld2 ^Talk 11:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Levels

I think the article explains enough why it's not straight 1-15 tiers. Does anyone disagree? JRA_Westy Qld2 ^Talk 11:29, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Consolidating interpretation of Australia's football league system/pyramid

Those who have contributed to this article seem to have mistaken the political structure of Australia with the administrative structure of football in Australia. The FFA oversees 9 federations. How Australia's football pyramid is interpreted ought to be reassessed according to these 9 football federations rather than the country's states and "regions". Thus, the second tier of the league system/pyramid ought to consist of leagues representing each football federation rather than states for the purposes of civilian government. This would place the NBN State Football League in the Second "Federation" Tier along with, I would argue, the four leagues that concurrently operate at the top level of football in Tasmania and the Northern Territory. The structure of Queensland's football pyramid presents a difficult situation. The Queensland State League functions primarily for the purpose of developing players mainly from regional areas of Queensland and is thus very much unlike any of the other federation's top level leagues. The QSL has only been in existence for a few years now and furthermore, in my personal opinion, the Brisbane Premier League is considered as the most prestigious football league in Queensland both before the formation of the QSL and at present. The Brisbane Premier League also resembles the top level league of other federations more so than the Queensland State League. I would suggest that both the Queensland State League and Brisbane Premier League be placed on the "Federation" Tier as per the leagues operating in Tasmania and the Northern Territory. My recommendations may be represented as follows:

Levels - League(s)/Division(s)

National - A-League

Federation - ACT PL, NSW PL, NBN SFL, Vic PL, Football West PL, Queensland SL and Brisbane PL, SA SL, Southern and Northern PLs, NorZone PL and Central Australia A-Grade

Without a "Regional" Tier with everything else as stands at present while accounting for the Brisbane Premier League being at the "Federation" Tier, thus Division 1 of the Brisbane Premier League would fall into the Third Tier and so forth. Unless any person is in disagreement with my recommendations, I feel the article ought to be edited according to the argument presented above. It also seems to me that leagues or divisions within the Australian football league system/pyramid may very well be absent: particularly with regard to those which would be under the juridiction of Football NSW. Kind Regards. 124.191.179.242 (talk) 19:13, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

NNSW Football

Northern New South Wales State Football League is shown incorrectly as a regional league (a categorisation which has no basis in reality). It should be shown as tier 2 as it is the premier competition of Northern New South Wales Football, one of the two FFA-recognised state associations for NSW. Hack (talk) 03:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How should the Newcastle Zone Premier League, Zone League One, Zone League Two and Zone League Three be represented in this chart? Should it just be left as regional due to being part of Newcastle Football? Datasmack (talk) 04:17, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, I think it should be left as regional.--2nyte (talk) 04:57, 20 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to include the other four NNSW regional leagues in this article? The premier divisions of Football Far North Coast, Football Mid North Coast, North Coast Football and Northern Inland Football should be at the same level as the Newcastle Zone Premier League.--Akttns (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:27, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

T-League

In 2013 FFT is creating a Tasmania wide T-League known for sponsorship reasons as Victory League (tier 2 league). The structure of Tasmanian leagues in 2013 below that (tier 3+) will be region based (ie. North Tas and South Tas based leagues) but the exact structure is currently unclear so I'll wait off any kind of updates to this article but it's something to think about/change in the future.--TinTin (talk) 06:59, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article is incorrect and misleading

The article is incorrect. Not all of the state federations are currently participating in the NPL and there is no guarantee that all of these leagues will participate next year. Hack (talk) 13:35, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Northern NSW and Western Australia are confirmed to join the NPL in 2014 with clubs already announced. Victoria is the only one not yet guarantee with this statement released on 7 October confirming that. As far as I know, all state league have ended their season, so technically the table represent the current situation (besides Victoria, which the current outcome is yet to be decided).--2nyte (talk) 14:41, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is the worst sort of misinformation. It's not accurate for the current season and it's speculating for the next season. Hack (talk) 14:57, 9 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Victoria will compete in the NPL next year (here). I will updated the table.--2nyte (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Using decimals in the league system

I don't like the use of decimals for promotion / relegation places. Full discussion here --TinTin (talk) 01:15, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SITH (talk) 14:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Australian soccer league system → Australian football League system – The term "football" is now rapidly growing in Australia. The term football is the recognised term across Australia. Baileymorecroft (talk) 07:06, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I am not familiar with colloquial usage in Australia, but this is an international encyclopedia, and this title could easily lead to confusion with Australian rules football. PatGallacher (talk) 13:29, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – as mentioned above, Australian rules football also exists. This move would be going against all precedent across Wiki (see Category:Soccer in Australia). Also, it seems quite odd that the nom has commented on their own request to say that they agree with their own statement in the nomination. 21.colinthompson (talk) 17:15, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think this could pretty well clinch it: Football_in_Australia#Terminology. PatGallacher (talk) 17:33, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 07:53, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - as above, 'football' is ambiguous in Australia. Giant Snowman 07:55, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose this makes no sense since Australian rules football is a legitimate code itself, and this change looks like it would be used to describe Aussie football rather than association football. Until the term "football" becomes hegemonic in reference to association football in Australia, "soccer" should remain. Jay eyem (talk) 23:00, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 10 March 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ASUKITE 17:27, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Australian soccer league system → Australian men's soccer league system – To better reflect the content on the article, and so an equivalent Australian women's soccer league system article can be created. Idiosincrático (talk) 01:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Yes. It's simply logical. HiLo48 (talk) 01:52, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 12:45, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and instead simply...introduce women's soccer system into the article. Otherwise somebody at some point will create Australian women's soccer league system and there's no need for two articles. Giant Snowman 12:48, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Most articles of this type just include men's and women's information on the same article: for example, French football league system, Italian football league system, Spanish football league system. I'd encourage following that model and adding more information about the women's system here. Adumbrativus (talk) 05:58, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per Adumbrativus. Simione001 (talk) 02:59, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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