Talk:Antoun Khouri

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On 25 May 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Antoun (Khouri). The result of the discussion was not moved.

"Antoun issa Khouri" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect Antoun issa Khouri and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 May 24#Antoun issa Khouri until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Xenophore; talk 20:16, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 May 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. The RM was created on the assumption of there being a consistent convention of Firstname (Lastname) in the article titles of Eastern Orthodox bishops. Such a convention was found to not be in place. Establishing a convention is beyond the scope of a one-page RM; other venues of discussion to do this are being pursued elsewhere. (non-admin closure) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:39, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Antoun Khouri → Antoun (Khouri) – The naming convention for Eastern Orthodox bishops is Firstname (Lastname). Examples of this can be found with Philip (Saliba), Tikhon (Mollard), etc. Xenophore; talk 20:19, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:14, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody already did that same move 10 years ago, and it was reverted immediately by someone who presumably didn't know that that was the convention. I don't think that's enough to oppose this being an uncontroversial request, but I'll leave it here for a few hours in case anyone disagrees. If it's still here tomorrow I'll do it. Dr. Vogel (talk) 20:28, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no WP:CONSISTENT pattern among bishops given the assortment in Category:21st-century Eastern Orthodox bishops. With a wide mix and the history noted, this needs a full RM. (Unless you can point out a general naming convention page that would show the plethora of counter-examples are the ones that should move.) I recommend you seek a wider consensus for the naming convention (if one doesn't exist) beyond this one page, thuogh, @Xenophore. -2pou (talk) 20:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - This would seem the proper forum for a wider consensus: WT:NCCL given that WP:NCCL#Eastern Orthodox bishops resides there. -2pou (talk) 20:54, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I will certainly start a discussion over there, as well. I just checked the Web sites for the three largest Eastern Orthodox jurisdictions in the United States as well as that of the Patriarchate of Antioch in Damascus and all list the bishops' names as First (Last). Xenophore; talk 05:13, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I've started a discussion on the talk page for [[WT:NCCL]. Here are five quick examples that show this convention in use:
    His Eminence Metropolitan Savas of Pittsburgh
    
    Our Bishops
    
    History of the Antiochian Orthodox Christian Diocese of Los Angeles and the West
    
    Archbishop Kyrill
    
    Archdioceses
    Xenophore; talk 05:33, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree this is potentially controversial given the move history and this should go through a normal RM discussion. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:52, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Note there is a related discussion at Rfd. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:57, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I see no convention and no need for one. In the absence of one, we should go by common names. Or if we are to have one, it should discourage use of this parenthetical form in article titles such as this, as it is confusing in the light of our disambiguation conventions. Andrewa (talk) 08:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.