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Request edit on 20 February 2018

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

The Adler & Allan Group is based in the UK, specialised in oil, environmental, Emergency Response and cleanup services . Adler &Allan started trading in 1926 ^[1] ^[2]

They have been involved in the clean-up in one of the UK’s most infamous disasters, In 2006 Adler and Allan were appointed principal contractor for the cleanup of the Buncefield oil terminal following the catastrophic fire and the extensive floods of 2007 and 2013. ^[3] Not done the source doesn't say this? Link has now been changed--Rene Willemsen (talk) 14:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Not done the source only says... "Adler and Allan (employed by Total to clear the Buncefield site) " Theroadislong (talk) 14:37, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Added - another resource that references they have been involved in the clean up ^[4] Done but in a neutral tone. Theroadislong (talk) 10:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Following Storm Desmond in 2015, they worked closely with the Environment Agency and where involved in the clean-up operation, sanitising equipment and preventing pollution as well as helping communities in Cumbria access available flood grants. ^[5] Done

They are a founding member of BERG (Business Emergency Resilience Group), BERG is part of the BITC (Business in the Community), an initiative of His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales.^[6] Not done self promoting and not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In 2008, Adler & Allan were chosen by the Olympic Development Authority (ODA) to run a secure supply chain for fuel to the London 2012 Games around the country. ^[7] Not done self promoting and not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Adler & Allan expanded its range of services with the acquisition of E&S Environmental , WES (Worcester Electrical Services) and in 2017 with the acquisition of specialist environmental consultancy, OHES Environmental. ^[8]

Adler & Allan Win the Barclays Award for building resilient business 2017 - ^[9] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rene Willemsen (talk • contribs) 16:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Expands & Upgrades Hazardous Waste Site in London - Reference https://waste-management-world.com/a/adler-allan-expands-upgrades-hazardous-waste-site-in-london

Infobox company information

Industry Environmental services

Founded 1926 Headquarters Harrogate, United Kingdom

Key people Bob Contreras (Executive Chairman), Mark Calvert (Non Executive Chairman) Done Theroadislong (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC) , Henry Simpson (Commercial Director), Henrik Pedersen (Business Development Director), Keith Potts (Compliance Director), Andrew Clarke (Managing Director E&S environmental)[reply]

Services Compliance & Asset Resilience, Tank Services, Spill Response, Waste Management, Fuel & Forecourt Services, Pollution prevention, 24/7 Emergency Response (Oil, Chemical, flood, fuel spills and oxygen depletion), Protective Coatings & Linings, Tankering, Contaminated Land Investigation & Remediation, Spill Training, Consultative Services, Non-Destructive Testing (NDT), Site Decommissioning, Flood services, PPM and testing

'Number of employees 600+ (2018)'

Subsidiaries E&S Environmental , WES (Hazardous electrical services) , OHES Environmental

Website http://www.adlerandallan.co.uk Not done self promoting and not notable

I have amended and added in the independent resources as well as the info box information and services and would like to change the Adler and Allan page / article as the information needs updating.

kind regards,

Rene

References

@Rene Willemsen: Please slow down we are volunteers here, whilst you are being paid for your edits. COI editing is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. It undermines public confidence and risks causing public embarrassment to the individuals and companies being promoted and I for one have no interest in helping you promote your business. Theroadislong (talk) 17:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Theroadislong: I understand your point of view and will find the sources required, however the intro on the page (about Adler and Allan) is incorrect the correct info about Adler & Allan is :-

The Adler & Allan Group is based in the UK and specialised in oil and environmental, Emergency Response, Compliance and Asset Resilience services. Adler &Allan started trading in 1926 [1] [2]

this is not promoting the company this is merely stating what the company is about in the correct way.

Not done this may be your preferred version, but that doesn't make it correct, please advise what is incorrect about the article's lead as it stands. Theroadislong (talk) 13:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Theroadislong: Dear Therislong if you would look into the company history you would find that it is the correct description not just the description of 1 article, i can provide many external impartial 3rd party sources and references if needed. as said before i am not here to promote i merely like to see the correct information about Adler & Allan displayed.

You haven't answered the question though, please advise what is incorrect about the article's lead as it stands. Theroadislong (talk) 13:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My Mistake i thought i did, as it stands the incorrect information is oil industry and environmental service, it should be Compliance and Asset Resilience services and then instead of environmental clean-up operations it should say specialises in oil, environmental, Emergency Response and cleanup services. - this would provide the correct information Rene Willemsen (talk) 13:58, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but "Compliance and Asset Resilience services" sounds like a marketing term. Feel free to ask for second opinion at The Teahouse though. Theroadislong (talk) 15:24, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

this is a genuine service to industries and ill put it forward in the teahouse, however it would be nice to add what adler and allan specialise in- specialised in oil, environmental, Emergency Response and cleanup services as well as the Subsidiary OHES environmetnal Rene Willemsen (talk) 08:42, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It really isn't helpful to continually (50 plus changes) edit and change your content above after people have responded. Theroadislong (talk) 10:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Request edit on 25 May 2023

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Edits to description

Please can we replace the current description with this one:

Adler and Allan is an environmental services provider based in the UK. It was founded in 1926.

It has approximately 1,500 employees and 30 depot locations.

In November 2020, Sun European Partners acquired Adler and Allan. [Reference: https://www.ft.com/content/8414cb8e-4f93-11e7-bfb8-997009366969)

Adler and Allan is a group company with several specialist brands, including: Detectronic; Aqua Consultants; Jet Aire; Flotech; Oneline; and OHES.

In April 2023, Adler and Allan acquired Detectronic. [Reference: https://environment-analyst.com/uk/109304/adler-and-allan-acquires-detectronic]

In February 2023, Adler and Allan acquired Aqua Consultants. [Reference: https://www.insidermedia.com/news/yorkshire/adler-and-allan-acquires-water-utility-consultancy]

In November 2021, Adler and Allan acquired Jet Aire Services. [Reference: https://www.facilitatemagazine.com/content/news/2021/11/02/adler-and-allan-acquires-drainage-firm-jet-aire-services]

In March 2021, Adler and Allan acquired Flotech Performance Systems and Oneline Surveys. [Reference: https://www.insidermedia.com/news/yorkshire/adler-and-allan-makes-trio-of-acquisitions]

In November 2017, Adler and Allan acquired OHES Environmental. [Reference: https://environment-analyst.com/global/60730/adler-allan-buys-ohes-environmental]

Following Storm Desmond and Storm Eva, Adler & Allan who were involved in the clean-up operation, won The Barclays Award for Building Resilient Business at the 2017 Business in the Community Responsible Business Awards in recognition of its flood response and recovery program in Cumbria. [Reference: https://www.ft.com/content/8414cb8e-4f93-11e7-bfb8-997009366969]

In 2006 Adler and Allan were employed by Total to clear the Buncefield fire site. [Reference: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/78981/buncefield-recovery-plan.pdf]

Edits to info box

Change 'Products' section to 'Divisions' and list the following items:

Environmental, Energy, Water

Remove 'Brands' section

Change items listed under 'Services' to:

Strategy and consultancy, Assets and infrastructure, Hazardous waste, Incident management, Energy transition

Move 'Subsidiaries' to come after 'Services' and change listed items to:

Detectronic, Aqua Consultants, Jet Aire Services, Flotech Performance Systems, Oneline Surveys, OHES Environmental

Move 'Number of employees' to come after 'Subsidiaries' and change amount to:

Approx. 1,500 Will N at Adler and Allan (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 30-JUN-2023

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The Sun's diameter is 864,337 miles,<ref>{{cite book|last1=Sjöblad|first1=Tristan|title=The Sun|url=http://www.booksource.com|publisher=Academic Press|date=2020|page=1}}</ref> while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles.<ref>{{cite journal|last1=Harinath|first1=Prisha|title=Size of the Moon|journal=Science|issue=78|volume=51|url=http://www.journalsource.com|date=2020|page=46}}</ref> The Sun's temperature is 5,778 Kelvin.<ref>{{cite web|last1=Uemura|first1=Shu|title=The Sun's Heat|url=http://www.websource.com|publisher=Academic Press|date=2020|page=2}}</ref>
Which displays as:

The Sun's diameter is 864,337 miles,^[1] while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles.^[2] The Sun's temperature is 5,778 Kelvin.^[3]

References

^ Sjöblad, Tristan. The Sun. Academic Press, 2020, p. 1.

^ Harinath, Prisha. (2020). "Size of the Moon", Science, 51(78):46.

^ Uemura, Shū. The Sun's Heat. Academic Press, 2020, p. 2.

In the example above the references have been formatted according to Citation Style 1, which shows the author, the source's name, date, etc., all information which is lost when only the links are provided. As Wikipedia is a volunteer project, edit requests such as yours are generally expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review.

Kindly resubmit the edit request below at your earliest convenience, taking care to ensure that it makes use of CS1. If you have any questions about this formatting please don't hesitate to ask myself or another editor. Regards, Spintendo 19:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I have re-submitted this request as two separate edit requests for the description section (which should now correctly use CS1, I hope) and the info box. Will N at Adler and Allan (talk) 11:16, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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^ "WP:CITEVAR - Wikipedia:Citing sources". Wikipedia. 20 October 2018. Retrieved 22 October 2018. Guideline: It is normal practice to defer to the style used by the first major contributor or adopted by the consensus of editors already working on the page, unless a change in consensus has been achieved. If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow it.

Request edit on 20 July 2023

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

What I think should be changed:

Replace current article description section as follows.

Adler and Allan is an environmental services provider based in the UK.

History

It was founded in 1926.

It has approximately 1,500 employees and 30 depot locations.

In November 2020, Sun European Partners acquired Adler and Allan.^[1]

Following Storm Desmond and Storm Eva, Adler and Allan (who were involved in the clean-up operation) won The Barclays Award for Building Resilient Business at the 2017 Business in the Community Responsible Business Awards in recognition of its flood response and recovery program in Cumbria.

In 2006, Adler and Allan were employed by Total to clear the Buncefield fire site.^[2]

Acquisitions

Adler and Allan is a group company with several specialist brands, including: Detectronic; Aqua Consultants; Jet Aire; Flotech; Oneline; and OHES.

In April 2023, Adler and Allan acquired Detectronic.^[3]

In February 2023, Adler and Allan acquired Aqua Consultants.^[4]

In November 2021, Adler and Allan acquired Jet Aire Services.^[5]

In March 2021, Adler and Allan acquired Flotech Performance Systems and Oneline Surveys.^[6]

In November 2017, Adler and Allan acquired OHES Environmental.^[7]

Why it should be changed:

To provide a more factually accurate description of the business and history, including acquisitions etc.

References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

^[1] ^[2] ^[3] ^[4] ^[5] ^[6] ^[7]

Will N at Adler and Allan (talk) 11:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b "Private equity investment to acquire environmental risk reduction firm". TheBusinessDesk.com. 24 November 2020.
^ ^a ^b "Buncefield Multi-Agency Recovery Plan" (PDF). Gov.uk.
^ ^a ^b "Adler and Allan acquires wastewater monitoring firm". Insider. 5 April 2023.
^ ^a ^b "Adler and Allan acquires water utility consultancy". Insider. 3 February 2023.
^ ^a ^b "Adler and Allan acquires drainage firm Jet Aire Services". Facilitate Magazine. 2 November 2021.
^ ^a ^b "Adler and Allan makes trio of acquisitions". Insider. 16 March 2021.
^ ^a ^b "OHES acquired by Adler & Allan". Fuel Oil News. 14 November 2017.

Reply 20-JUL-2023

Clarification needed

The claim(s) regarding the acquisition of certain companies could not be added because the companies described are not independently notable in Wikipedia.
To proceed with the request, kindly provide the WikiLinks of the mentioned companies.^[a] When ready to proceed with the requested information, kindly change the {{Edit COI}} template's answer parameter to read from |ans=y to |ans=n. Please note that prior text entered in the Edit request proposal should not be retro-actively altered. Instead, a new reply post supplying the needed information should be posted below this review. The original {{Edit COI}} template may then be altered.

Regards, Spintendo 00:43, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ What the reviewer is asking for here is not due to WP:N (which is not a content requirement). In this instance, the request for notability is to ensure a neutral point of view. The purchase of one company by another company represents a point of view, in that it effectively ascribes to the companies the relative importance of their purchase according to the purchaser's point of view. If the purchased companies were independently notable, that would add weight to the purchasing company's view that their purchase was important enough to be mentioned in the article. Otherwise, adding to an article several points of view on the purchase of non-notable companies may upset an article's balancing aspects.^[1] Thus, this reviewer's own practice is to limit the listing of acquisitions to those which are independently notable in Wikipedia.

References

^ "WP:BALASP". Wikipedia. 16 July 2023. An article should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject. A description of isolated events or news reports related to a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic.

Request edit on 20 July 2023

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

What I think should be changed:

Changes to info box as follows.

Change 'Products' section to 'Divisions' and list the following items:

Environmental Services
Energy Services
Water Services

Remove 'Brands' section

Change items listed under 'Services' to:

Strategy and consultancy
Assets and infrastructure
Hazardous waste
Incident management
Energy transition

Move 'Subsidiaries' to come after 'Services' and change listed items to:

Detectronic
Aqua Consultants
Jet Aire Services
Flotech Performance Systems
Oneline Surveys
OHES Environmental

Move 'Number of employees' to come after 'Subsidiaries' and change amount to:

Approx. 1,500

Why it should be changed:

To more accurately reflect what the business does and the structure/acquired businesses etc.

References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

N/A

Will N at Adler and Allan (talk) 11:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

Reply 20-JUL-2023

Unable to implement

The Wikilinks for the companies listed under the |subsidiaries= parameter have not been provided. Please provide these Wikilinks.

Regards, Spintendo 00:39, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.penews.com/articles/bain-hsbc-refinance-ldc-backed-adler-allan-20170705

[2] ttps://www.ldc.co.uk/news/2014/09/ldc-backs-adler-and-allan-buyout

[3] ttps://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/78981/buncefield-recovery-plan.pdf

[4] ttps://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/adler-and-allan-benefit-from-major-investment-1-2462089

[5] ttp://www.yorkshirebusinessdaily.co.uk/2017/07/06/adler-allan-wins-bitc-award-flood-support-services/

[6] ttps://www.bitc.org.uk/node/359403

[7] ttp://fueloilnews.co.uk/2013/06/crossing-the-finishing-line/

[8] ttps://forecourttrader.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/14218/Adler___Allan_buys_OHES_to_expand_its_services.html

[9] ttps://www.bitc.org.uk/resources-training/case-studies/adler-allan-winner-barclays-award-building-resilient-business

[noteFoot01a] Sjöblad, Tristan. The Sun. Academic Press, 2020, p. 1.

[noteFoot02a] Harinath, Prisha. (2020). "Size of the Moon", Science, 51(78):46.

[noteFoot03a] Uemura, Shū. The Sun's Heat. Academic Press, 2020, p. 2.

[10] The fault for this formatting error may have originated with the automated prompts used by the edit request template, which asks for a COI editor to "supply the URL of any references used". While the resulting omission of information would not be the fault of the requesting COI editor, it nevertheless remains their responsibility to supply the references formatted in the style used by the article.

[12] The use of bare URLs as references is a style which is acceptable for use in Wikipedia. However, general practice dictates that the style already in use for an article be the one that is subsequently used for all future additions unless changed by editorial consensus.^[1]

[11] "WP:CITEVAR - Wikipedia:Citing sources". Wikipedia. 20 October 2018. Retrieved 22 October 2018. Guideline: It is normal practice to defer to the style used by the first major contributor or adopted by the consensus of editors already working on the page, unless a change in consensus has been achieved. If the article you are editing is already using a particular citation style, you should follow it.

[2020-11-24-thebusinessdesk-13] "Private equity investment to acquire environmental risk reduction firm". TheBusinessDesk.com. 24 November 2020.

[buncefield-multi-agency-recovery-plan-14] "Buncefield Multi-Agency Recovery Plan" (PDF). Gov.uk.

[2023-04-05-insider-15] "Adler and Allan acquires wastewater monitoring firm". Insider. 5 April 2023.

[2023-02-03-insider-16] "Adler and Allan acquires water utility consultancy". Insider. 3 February 2023.

[2021-11-02-facilitate-17] "Adler and Allan acquires drainage firm Jet Aire Services". Facilitate Magazine. 2 November 2021.

[2021-03-16-insider-18] "Adler and Allan makes trio of acquisitions". Insider. 16 March 2021.

[2017-11-14-fueloilnews-19] "OHES acquired by Adler & Allan". Fuel Oil News. 14 November 2017.

[21] What the reviewer is asking for here is not due to WP:N (which is not a content requirement). In this instance, the request for notability is to ensure a neutral point of view. The purchase of one company by another company represents a point of view, in that it effectively ascribes to the companies the relative importance of their purchase according to the purchaser's point of view. If the purchased companies were independently notable, that would add weight to the purchasing company's view that their purchase was important enough to be mentioned in the article. Otherwise, adding to an article several points of view on the purchase of non-notable companies may upset an article's balancing aspects.^[1] Thus, this reviewer's own practice is to limit the listing of acquisitions to those which are independently notable in Wikipedia.

[20] "WP:BALASP". Wikipedia. 16 July 2023. An article should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject. A description of isolated events or news reports related to a subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic.

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