Talk:Accessibility of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority

History

@Roadrunner3000 and Kew Gardens 613: Should we move some of the info in the separate sections to form a new "History" section? epicgenius (talk) 23:55, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Marcy Avenue future ADA station?

@Kew Gardens 613: I'm not sure that this is correct. The text currently says, "Five more stations are being evaluated. These stations are the J and ​Z trains' platforms at Broadway Junction, as well as the Marcy Avenue (J, M, and Z​ trains), Union Street (R train), Vernon Boulevard–Jackson Avenue (7 and <7>​ trains), and East Broadway (F train) stations". But Marcy Avenue (BMT Jamaica Line) is already ADA-accessible. Is it Myrtle Avenue (BMT Jamaica Line)? @Kew Gardens 613: epicgenius (talk) 01:20, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Fast Forward

@Epicgenius: We should update the article with the goals set forward in Fast Forward-no station two stations in either direction away from an ADA-accessible stop.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:14, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613: It was in the article, but with a convoluted wording. The text in the fifth paragraph of the "New York City Subway" section now says This would allow one of every two to four stations on every line to be accessible, so that all non-accessible stops would be a maximum of two stops from an accessible station. epicgenius (talk) 01:19, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: I have added additional information from the plan.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 01:35, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Stations for 2020-2024

@Epicgenius: Several stations have the design stage funded as part of the 2015-2019 program with construction to be funded in 2020-2024, such as Tremont Avenue, 14th Street, Avenue H, 77th Street, Avenue I, Kings Highway, Neptune Avenue, and Broadway Junction for the Canarsie and Jamaica Lines. We should make this clear. The Fulton Street Line station at Broadway Junction is fully funded by the the City as part of the 15-19 program. Thanks.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:17, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, I have added the clarification. Do you have the source that says the design phase is funded? I can't seem to find it in the past CPOC (March 2019 and November 2018). epicgenius (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: For which station?--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 19:59, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, any of them. Did you just look it up in the MTA capital dashboard? If so, I can see why you didn't put the source here. epicgenius (talk) 20:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: I got it from the Dashboard and added sources. I don't understand.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 00:45, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, never mind. I see what you mean now. epicgenius (talk) 01:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, how are you able to get the proper hyperlinks to the sources, with the new dashboard url format? I can't manage to get a link to a specific project. epicgenius (talk) 01:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Here is an example. Let's try to create a hyperlink for the first project listed for the 2015-2019 plan, which is "Purchase 440 B-Division Railcars." Click the link and a popup window shows up. Click Display all and you get the link. I didn't realize that that button was there until recently. For a while, what I did was right-clicked in the white space (not the gray) at the top and then clicked open frame in new tab. You should do the first option, which is easier.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:15, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613, I see, thanks. I don't think the "Display all" button was available last time I looked at the dashboard. But it is much easier now. epicgenius (talk) 13:06, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: So I am not crazy. I was certain that it was not there earlier. No problem.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 13:19, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Future Accessible Stations: Mets-Willets Point

Why is Mets-Willets Point mentioned twice for the same station (LIRR Port Washington Branch,) but with different statuses (in design and in pre-planning)? Is one of those entries meant for the subway station to make it 100% ADA-accessible, or is there really a duplicate entry that needs to be consolidated/removed? 2604:2000:1304:4BDD:7804:ACE:9A7E:C904 (talk) 18:32, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 20:13, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that a 2018 report found that, of 122 New York City neighborhoods with subway stations, only 62 had wheelchair-accessible stations? Source: "Service Denied: Accessibility and the New York City Subway System". Office of the New York City Comptroller Scott M. Stringer. July 17, 2018.
  • ALT1:... that a separate New York City transport system was proposed for the disabled on the grounds it would be too expensive to make the regular system accessible? Source: Maitland, Leslie (October 1, 1979). "Suit Asserts M.T.A. Fails To Provide for Disabled". The New York Times.
  • ALT2:... that in 2018, only about a quarter of New York City's 472 subway stations had elevators, among the lowest accessibility rates of the world's major transit systems? Source: Patel, Jugal K. (February 11, 2019). "Where the Subway Limits New Yorkers With Disabilities". The New York Times.
  • ALT3:... that New York City's paratransit system was expanded in 1998 after complaints of rides that took several hours, even as only 26 of 468 subway stations were accessible? Source: McFadden, Robert D. (November 23, 1998). "Better Transportation Planned for Disabled". The New York Times
  • ALT4:... that a year after the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 was passed, New York City's bus system was almost fully accessible, but the subway system was not? Source: Sims, Calvin (July 19, 1991). "Handicapped Find Transit More Accessible". The New York Times.

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Improved to Good Article status by Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 17:48, 11 March 2021 (UTC).

• Substantial article, meeting of GA criteria implicates DYK pass. Article was nominated within 7 days of passing GA. QPQ has been completed. No concerning pings on Earwigs for copyvio or close paraphrasing. Hooks are cited, short enough for DYK, and interesting; personally think ALT1 is the best of the lot. Morgan695 (talk) 19:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Kew Gardens 613 and Epicgenius, the first paragraph of the section "Future accessible stations" is completely unsourced. Can one of you please sort that out, and ping me when you've done so? Thanks! MeegsC (talk) 15:55, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

• MeegsC, thanks for the comment. This was brought up in the GA review but is explained by the hidden comment: <!-- NOTE: cites for this paragraph have been covered about in the table below. No need to tag {{cn}} --> However, should I add the cites there anyway? There would be 40+ citations for this paragraph so I'm just thinking of removing this paragraph. Epicgenius (talk) 16:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Epicgenius, I think it would be okay to put a footnote to that effect at the end of the paragraph. Maybe as a "Note 1" (i.e. broken out into a different section than the general references)? MeegsC (talk) 17:16, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

@MeegsC: I've considered this issue further. Since the table is likely to change very frequently and the paragraph is already outdated, I've removed it. Epicgenius (talk) 18:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Ha! Well that's certainly one way to eliminate the problem! ;) MeegsC (talk) 20:13, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Station count

@Epicgenius: There is a discrepancy between Template:NYCS const and the count in this article for the subway total. The former has 136, with 108 per international standards, while this article has 132 and 109.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

That is weird. The table itself is outdated, so I formatted it to use Template:NYCS const directly. – Epicgenius (talk) 01:31, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Something even weirder is going on. I triple-checked the counts and found different total/intl ADA counts for each borough when looking at this source. I found that there should be ADA access at 133 stations, not including SIR. This equates to 60 stations in Manhattan, 16 in the Bronx, 35 in Brooklyn, and 22 in Queens. If we're using international standards, there should be ADA access at 109 stations (44 in Manhattan, 15 in the Bronx, 30 in Brooklyn, and 20 in Queens). I don't know where the current numbers come from. The MTA deliberately does not include Mets-Willets Point; otherwise, there would be 134 ADA-accessible stations (110 internationally). – Epicgenius (talk) 02:16, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

I suspected as such. People, including myself, added stations at some points, and than other editors forgot to add, etc. I suspect other people double-counted. I suspect similar problems for MNR/LIRR. Also, many of those stations are not fully ADA-accessible, like Forest Hills. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 02:19, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Also, the CSV doesn't have Livonia Avenue, which was made accessible today. Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 02:37, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot to account for this. It should be 37 stations in Brooklyn (30 if counting complexes as one), since 62nd/New Utrecht, Borough Hall, Franklin-Fulton, Jay Street-MetroTech, and Myrtle-Wyckoff all count for two stations, and Atlantic Ave/Barclays Center counts for three stations. Prospect Park and DeKalb count as one station each, though. I'll fix that. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

This is out of date again with QBP, 14th, and LIRR stops. I can't tell what the total overall should be. We also need a better way of doing this. @Epicgenius: Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 00:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree, manually counting the number of accessible stations isn't going to work out in the long run. I did verify that the Manhattan, Queens, and total counts are correct, though. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Outdated info

There is a lot of outdated info, including about the LIRR (Hollis was added, FH will get upgraded ramps, not elevators, there is funding for the design of ADA work at Kew Gardens-see the July 2023 Financial Plan), and the addition of Ditmars Blvd as part of the planned BRT route to LaGuardia. We should see if there are news articles about the issue with commuter rail accessibility-namely that there are often no sidewalks/crosswalks/curb cuts to allow people with mobility impairments to even access the accessible stations. The lead of the article is also way too short. Access-A-Ride should probably get its own article. A criticism section on the cost of making stations accessible. I have some news clippings on the making of buses accessible. Would the MTA's bus stroller pilot belong in this article? We are also missing the Jay Street ADA pilot programs, and the app to help people with bus stops. (https://new.mta.info/press-release/mta-pilots-smartphone-app-to-help-blind-and-low-vision-bus-riders). Sorry if this is disorganized Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 12:41, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

@Kew Gardens 613, good ideas. I was also thinking about some of these. In the meantime, we may have to split the list of accessible stations into its own article soon. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:58, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

See also

Hi all - I've just finished a similar article for London (Accessibility of transport in London) and wondered if this article should link to it and others like it (accessibility of public transit in Boston and Toronto) in the see also section - to me, that seems more relevant than linking to lists of stations. Any thoughts? Turini2 (talk) 12:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)