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J-na's birthday[edit]

There'll be a birthday party for J-na in Philippines on August 31 (https://www.facebook.com/events/1527303724152863/?ref=3&ref_newsfeed_story_type=regular). Seems like her date of birth reported in the pt.wiki 4L's page (September 1) is correct, but I'm not sure about the year. --93.66.104.38 (talk) 07:51, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To me, it seems a party organized by the fans from Philippines. --Chiya92 12:58, 29 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, September 1 as her date of birth seems correct. There have been many birthday wishes on Twitter and a post on the official Facebook page. However, before adding it we need a more reliable source. --Chiya92 09:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Removed some awards[edit]

Per previous consensus, I removed fan-run awards. This led to removal of the entire Awards section. Shinyang-i (talk) 00:16, 21 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

New sources[edit]

The sites being used to replace Allkpop links are no better than Allkpop was. Newsway, The Dispatch, and Daum are not reliable sources. Daum is a search engine that aggregates other sites' stories. The other two are tabloids. Shinyang-i (talk) 15:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hangul[edit]

It is not standard on Wikipedia to have hangul for every single version of every single name. Stage names are not real names; their hangul is not important. People's real names are what matter. If you feel there is insufficient information on each member, then find some actual biographical information on them (with reliable sources) and write it all up in prose. Then you can easily include the hangul to their stage name and given names in with all the information. If there is no biographical info in existence and they are that non-notable, then the hangul of their stage names hardly matter, do they? So please stop re-adding the stage name hangul along with their real names and hangul. Shinyang-i (talk) 07:21, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 November 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: There is consensus to move these pages using (group) as a disambiguator. (page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 12:07, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

– The groups that are the subject of these article are categorized as "girl groups" (except for the Indonesian group, are in Category:South Korean girl groups), and most of these are also described in the lede of their article as a girl group. Sources are also more likely to refer to or describe each of these as a "girl group", and not as a band - for example, Opinion: Why New “Inkigayo” Rulings on 19+ Music Videos Will Not Work (stating "Witness, for example, the debut of 4L, a girl group which has yet to appear on a single mainstream music show".); Bestie poses in school outfits for release of new digital mini-album (saying "Girl group Bestie surprised fans yesterday by announcing that it will release a new digital mini-album on Friday".); KISS reunites on ‘Sugar Man’, sings “Because I’m A Girl”, reveals reason they broke up (stating "Girl group KISS, which debuted in 2001, reunited on ‘Sugar Man‘"...); Girl Group Rainbow Confirmed To Disband; TWICE to drop new Japanese single album (stating "Girl group TWICE will put out a new Japanese-language single album titled "Candy Pop" on Feb. 7, its agency said Friday). As there has been some dispute as to whether an ensemble of singers who generally do not play any instruments constitutes a "band", these title changes will prevent any confusion by clearly identifying the nature of the ensemble. To the extent that some of these titles are ambiguous, it immediately distinguishes them by the type of performance in which they engage. bd2412 T 16:02, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since it has the word "girl" in it and you wouldn't categorize male bands as a "girl group," it is ultimately gender-based. And we also have categories saying "Male country-singers" or whatnot, but we don't have that as an appendage to their name. To be fair I didn't realize this is a sort of term used within K-Pop, but I still see no reason to use it, especially when (band) is all there is currently. And well, NYSNC isn't NSYNC (boy band) either, if you get my point. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 21:38, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Neither NSYNC (band), perhaps because it is completely unnecessary to have the group with parenthesis, so no, I don't see your point because there is none. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 23:06, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No need to be an asshole, Tbhotch (talk · contribs) ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 23:50, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Pointing out facts and fallacies is not, but if you feel right by insulting me, then OK, that's up to you. © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 23:55, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can you point out where it is said that "(boy band)" cannot be used? Because a band (music) (call them The Rolling Stones or The Bangles) is not the same as a boy band or girl group (Backstreet Boys or Spice Girls). © Tbhotch™ (en-2.5). 23:12, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Would prefer (group) to (girl group) but overall would prefer band. As to "boy" bands that is also problematic as a genre, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 23:50, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Same - band > group > girl group. "Band" is best because it doesn't call for differentiation based upon genre, ie K-Pop vs rock or whatnot. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 14:37, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The ping didn't work, but I don't take any issue with the "group" part. At first glance I would be neutral in that case, not having reviewed the band vs. group issue much lately. Dekimasuよ! 18:41, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Out of curiosity, where is the idea/definition that bands must play instruments coming from? ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 23:48, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"People who play instruments" actually seems to be the first music-related meaning, as bands originally referred to "organized groups" usually of armed men, who were identified by bands they wore on their clothes. --Mαuri ’96 (talk · cont) 06:05, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@El cid, el campeador: For the sake of this move request, I'm using WP:BANDDAB, which defines a band as a "musical ensemble [where] members perform by playing musical instruments." DanielleTH (Say hi!) 23:25, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @DanielleTH:, and to be fair @Mauri96: definition =/= eytomology ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ᐐT₳LKᐬ 01:13, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, @El cid, el campeador:, you asked where the definition was "coming from", so I thought you meant etymology. --Mαuri ’96 (talk · cont) 01:38, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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