Talk:2024 Helong North Korean migrant workers unrest

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... that in January 2024, several thousand North Korean migrant workers in Helong engaged in civil unrest that included the workers occupying a factory and taking managers hostage?

Source: Reuters The Japan News

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Malik Ambersley

Created by JJonahJackalope (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 57 past nominations.

JJonahJackalope (talk) 13:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I left a few comments about the article on the article's talk page. May be worth addressing before the article goes to DYK. seefooddiet (talk) 08:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Seefooddiet:, I saw your comments in the talk page and made some edits regarding the Lead section, which I think properly address the points you raised. Additionally, I replied to your discussion on the title and am willing to work on some consensus regarding a possible page move. If that were to happen, would I have to renominate this DYK under the new name or make any edits like that? Please let me know, and thanks for the constructive criticism of the article. -JJonahJackalope (talk) 12:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Seefooddiet:, I just recently moved the page to 2024 Helong North Korean migrant workers unrest, is there anything I need to do here with this DYK nomination? -JJonahJackalope (talk) 17:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm not really sure. I'll ask for help. seefooddiet (talk) 22:53, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JJonahJackalope and Seefooddiet: I have changed the link in the hook to the new article name. The nomination page should remain at its original name. TSventon (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hook is sourced. No copyvio, everything is sourced, article is presentable. Article created on 23 Dec, so within time range. There's no copyright problem with the image on the article, but it does feel a little loosely related to the main article content. QPQ is still technically pending; needs to be locked before it's considered done.

The hook also needs revising to communicate uncertainty and for concision. E.g. Alt1 ... that in January 2024, South Korean sources reported that several thousand North Korean migrant workers occupied a factory and took hostages?

Let me know what you think about this hook. seefooddiet (talk) 00:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Thanks for the article, important topic. I think the uncertainty over the veracity of the story needs a more prominent mention in the lead; the events are presented as definite in the first like 80% and only qualified at the end. The qualification should be early and more prominent seefooddiet (talk) 04:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I definitely struggled a bit when initially writing this article with where to place discussion on the veracity of the claims, but after looking it over again, I agree that it should come earlier in the lead. I recently edited that section to give that discussion more prominence, but let me know what you think about it. Thanks, - JJonahJackalope (talk) 12:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think definitely better presentation. Some of the statements are still presented as definite though; wording needs to be softened to convey that this is alleged information. seefooddiet (talk) 13:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to edit the lead a bit more to reiterate where this information came from, which I hope is sufficient, but if you have more specific requests, definitely do reach out, as I'm always interested in getting a second opinion on the matter. Thanks, -JJonahJackalope (talk) 17:37, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article title

Also just realized; article title is a bit general. Think it's worth clarifying it's north korean migrant workers specifically, and not the people of Helong in general seefooddiet (talk) 05:56, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Similar to above with the Lead section, I struggled a bit with what to call this article, ultimately settling on the well-used template of [year] [place] [event]. I opted to keep the "event" descriptor fairly general, since I didn't feel like something more descriptive, like "strike" or "factory occupation" would be fully encompassing. Thinking about it some more, maybe something like "2024 Helong North Korean migrant workers unrest" may work, though I'm not sure how wordy it should be. Let me know if you have any suggestions and I'd be more than willing to move the page. Thanks, - JJonahJackalope (talk) 12:47, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think your proposal works. It's a little wordier but more descriptive. seefooddiet (talk) 13:36, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]