Talk:1991 Andover tornado outbreak

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Section sizes

Section size for 1991 Andover tornado outbreak (11 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	4,043	4,043
Meteorological synopsis	4,227	4,227
Confirmed tornadoes	53,409	67,961
Haysville–McConnell AFB–Wichita–Andover, Kansas	6,785	6,785
Red Rock, Oklahoma	3,081	3,081
El Dorado Lake–Kansas Turnpike Underpass, Kansas	4,686	4,686
Aftermath	6,095	6,095
See also	152	152
Notes	34	34
References	372	372
External links	880	880
Total	83,764	83,764

Untitled

I was there in April of 1991, stationed at McConnell AFB. I even took a picture of this one. Being from the Pacific NW, I had only seen tornadoes in textbooks and occasionally on the national news.

This beast was a sight to behold. I admit, that was the first time I was in fear of my life. There have been times since, but that was the first.

Data in the "List of confirmed tornadoes"

table is mispaced by one column.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.146.208.101 (talk) 18:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More tornadoes

OK, this article should either focus on the outbreak, or the F5 tornado should be broken off. Hurricanehink 22:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The standard is that the outbreak gets a section, and if there was one or more major tornadoes, they get an additional section below with a reference in the chart. In this case, the F5 should have its own section below, with the note "see section on this tornado" added beside each of the tornadoes involved. CrazyC83 04:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also added a section on the Red Rock OK tornado, since it was one of the more noteworthy twisters of the outbreak. No fatalities or significant damage, but the its track was 66 miles long and portable dopplar registered a windspeed of up to 286 mph. Bigphishy56 07:38, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Very good writing of the outbreak as a whole! That is exactly how it should be done! (Don't worry about the damage from the smaller tornadoes as they are hard to find) CrazyC83 16:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the formal paper that reported the Red Rock observations, Bluestein et al. (1993) reported the winds as 115-150 m/s (257-268 mph), with an uncertainty of 5-10 m/s. Also, the Doppler on Wheels group puts the maximum winds from the 3 May 1999 observations as 301 mph.Hebrooks87 15:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)Hebrooks87[reply]

I cleaned up the opening paragraph. It was too wordy and confused the reader regarding the actual subject of the article. It went into a tangent about the actual Andover, KS tornado instead of focusing on the title subject. MplsNarco 17:52, 31 March 2007 (UTC)MplsNarco[reply]

Citations

If this article were to be cleaned up, and provided with in-line citations, it could be a Good article, possibly even featured. I'm not really familiar with the sources, and I don't want to have to go through the entire article introducing citations if I dont have to, so would someone who has worked on this article be willing to bring it up to snuff? Runningonbrains 20:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing, I created this article and never got a chance to finish up the citations and such. I'll try to do that as soon as possible.Bigphishy56 19:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Many of the sources are listed in the links menu. I will attempt to match these with their respective contributions in the text. Bigphishy56 19:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name change

I moved the article named "Andover, Kansas Tornado Outbreak" to "Andover, Kansas tornado outbreak" to comply with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (events). --Rosiestep (talk) 23:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added year per Wikipedia:WikiProject Severe weather/Tornado's naming convention. Fixed double redirects. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disputed times of the tornadoes

I strongly dispute the times of the tornadoes as being of UTC. For example, the F3 tornado cited as NW of Hanover, KS to N of Beatrice, NE did not occur around 10 AM local (UTC -0500) but did occur at about the local time listed--approximately 3.00 PM. Also, the F2 NW of Washington, KS and the F2 from N of Bushong, KS to NE of Grove, Ks through Wabaunsee, Shawnee, and Jackson counties all occurred during mid afternoon, not late morning.

I know this as I was en route from Kansas City to my parents home near Hanover, KS that afternoon and was listening to the warnings being issued and watching the clouds as I was driving west from St Joseph, MO on US 36 Highway. Also, once I got home I found out my grandfather's farm north of Hanover, KS had been hit and he and my mom and aunt had rode it out in the fruit cellar under the garage (fortunately there was minor damage to the house which was protected by a large grove of trees, but the barn was flattened and much debris was strewn about). Also, our neighbor's brother in-law's dairy farm north of Odell, NE was hit by that same tornado (as were too many others along the path).

Looking over the list of tornadoes I recall first hand, the times are consistent with Central Daylight Time (CDT) and not UTC. I suspect that is true for other times in the tables as well.

N0NB (talk) 21:50, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted link to Tulsa Task Force

The main page for this event does not indicate any connection to Tulsa, Oklahoma. I have removed the link to the Tulsa Task Force. Bruin2 (talk) 17:11, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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--JeffGBot (talk) 00:19, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Underpass construction reference

Okay, so I took out the part saying that an open girder design is rare for a few reasons. 1. The article it came from offers conflicting information (are they talking about all bridges nationwide or just the ones in that state?). 2. Not able to find a second source stating the design is rare. 3. I have seen for myself the design commonly used in the state I live.

The listed reference is now only an archived link, which puts in question whether any of the information has since been updated by the original poster (NWS in Norman, OK) or disputed in the road construction industry as true.

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Dustin (talk) 01:11, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1991 Andover, Kansas tornado outbreak → April 26, 1991 tornado outbreak – The outbreak affected far more than just Andover, Kansas; there were not just multiple other violent tornadoes in Kansas, but were three F4-rated tornadoes in Oklahoma, including the famous "Red Rock" tornado. 1. Norman (OUN) In addition, when I searched the names for the number of results each had, my name had 29,100 Google search results, whereas the current title only had 3,430 results, so WP:COMMONNAME may be applied here. Also, multiple sources from Weather Forecast Offices of the the National Weather Service refer to the outbreak with names very similar to the one I am proposing. 2. Tulsa (TSA) 1. Norman (OUN) Finally, because it neither fits the common name nor is consistent with the standard (although unofficial) naming conventions of tornado outbreak articles on Wikipedia, I believe that the name should be altered for consistency. Dustin (talk) 00:41, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support move per your reasoning. A discussion probably wasn't needed. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 01:13, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You are probably right about that, but I was unsure whether any people would be against it or not for some reason or another, so I decided to start a discussion just in case. Dustin (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – It seems that there are not many people responding; if no one responds within a short time, I will move the page. Dustin (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support – Go ahead and move it. I was skeptical when I noticed that discussion, but your argument was convincing. United States Man (talk) 20:46, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Based on what has been said, while I know that the waiting period is generally one week and it has only been five days, I will wait no more than two and a half hours, and if I receive no more opposition, I will move the page. Dustin (talk) 21:41, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have renamed the article and spent a while changing all of the links in Wikipedia mainspace to reflect the change. Dustin (talk) 01:11, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Andover Tornado section

Just wanted to point out that the section on this tornado mentions it is the last F5 on the old Fujita scale, which it is not. Off the top of my head, I can think of the Jarrell, TX F5 in 1997 and the Oklahoma City F5 of May 3rd, 1999. The article mentions that after this F5, the next one was the EF5 in Greensburg KS in 2007. Checking Wikipedia's article, there were a handful of F5 tornadoes between 1991 and 1999. After the May 3rd F5, there was not another until the Greensburg storm.

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/List_of_F5_and_EF5_tornadoes#1950.E2.80.931999 192.223.7.254 (talk) 01:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Name

User:Funplussmart: I propose reverting your move from four years ago. Was already discussed in 2014 before your unilateral revert. Doesn't make sense to name an entire tornado outbreak with over 50 tornadoes after one city. If you have an alternative name proposal that isn't just naming an entire tornado outbreak after a single city, I'm listening. Master of Time (talk) 09:04, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't make the change you wanted, but i changed the name to 1991 Andover tornado outbreak to avoid confusion with the 2022 Andover tornado. Poodle23 (talk) 23:09, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Been a bit occupied lately, but I do concede that this is at least better than the former title. Master of Time (talk) 04:33, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Master of Time: Only just seeing this. Yeah me years ago had some interesting article title ideas. Not against reverting back to the older article title or keeping this new one. funplussmart (talk) 05:13, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]