Draft talk:Caleb Maupin

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I put construction tags for a reason. I wasn't done. Uhtregorn (talk) 00:32, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Okay, but the article wasn't, and still isn't, ready. That's what drafts are for.

You will need much, much better sources, and you will need to summarize what those sources are actually saying. The current article fails to do that. That's a very big problem, especially for a WP:BLP.

Since the last time the article was deleted in 2020, I'm seeing only a few of new sources, and none of them seem strong enough.

One recent source is this one from last year which, to put it bluntly, seem to strongly imply that Maupin is a Russian State actor working to recruit sympathetic "influencers" to play-act at being election experts.

There are also the two opinions from the Communist Party USA.:

Wokeness and the struggle for Black liberation says this: ...The Philly Young Communist League wholly rejects the reactionary ideas of anti-woke “Marxists” such as Caleb Maupin and his CPI or Haz and his Infrared following. We honor the legacy and contributions of past Communist leaders such as William Z. Foster and Claudia Jones in our analysis of class struggle and politicized identities.[1] - That is the only mention of Maupin in the source. It doesn't mention anything about his work on "police brutality to the evils of capitalism", nor would this source be usable to demonstrate notability.

Signaling left, turning right: The “radicals” rebranding populism on the other hand is much more in-depth, but again, if you're going to cite these sources, don't cherry-pick them for the blandest or most flattering details. Look at what the source is actually saying, not just what you wish it was saying. Grayfell (talk) 06:55, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Grayfell has explained in far more detail than I would take the time to. This topic is likely non-notable, which means that no amount of good writing can make it appropriate for an article on Wikipedia, and if it has become notable since the 2020 AfD then the new sources here certainly don't evidence that. — Bilorv (talk) 11:00, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

September 2023 updates

While I am not disputing that this page likely still has more progress for it to go mainspace, I removed a few paragraphs that had been added to the draft. They were rather POV additions, added by a user now blocked for sock puppetry, using unreliable or no sources. Uhtregorn (talk) 21:35, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Neither of those cited sources are appropriate for a WP:BLP, at least, not by themselves. If the Center for Political Innovation is going to be mentioned, than it would be incomplete to not mention that it also dissolved itself, and readers would also reasonably want to know why they did that. This is all a strong indication that the article will need much better sources before being published. Grayfell (talk) 22:42, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Unreliable sources

• Ekimenko, Svetlana (February 15, 2023). "US Using Sham 'Woke Makeover' to 'Sell' Its Proxy Wars, Analyst Says". Sputnik. A case in point, according to Maupin, is the upcoming "Rage Against The War Machine" rally, set for Sunday, February 19, in Washington, DC at the Lincoln Memorial. The rally is expected to bring together a very broad political spectrum of those who vociferously denounce Washington's "war lobby" and argue that "not one more penny" should be spend on Ukraine. Caleb Maupin's organization, the Center for Political Innovation, is a sponsor of the rally. However, it has found itself targeted by a "despicable" Internet smear campaign, he said, with algorithms rigged to promote the onslaught. However, the monopoly on anti-war rallies, according to Caleb Maupin, is gradually being broken by forces that represent the broader opinion. It makes sense that people who are opposed to these wars might come to things from a more right-wing or a libertarian perspective, the analyst insisted, especially after the mainstream left "has broken with any anti-war sentiment."

SocDoneLeft (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Source evaluation

Source assessment table:

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Cleveland Scene (1)	independent newspaper	Cleveland Scene is a news organization	full article discusses Maupin's past in the Workers World Party (WWP) and its youth wing, Fight Imperialism Stand Together (FIST)	✔ Yes
CPUSA (2)	~ CPUSA is a rival socialist organization	~ CPUSA is a rival socialist organization; however, most of its descriptions of Maupin in this article are factual with accompanying quotes, rather than ideological/opinion descriptions	article discusses Maupin's non-affiliation with CPUSA, collaboration with national Bolsheviks and other far-right figures, and organizational history in detail	~ Partial
The Nation (5)	independent newspaper	The Nation is a WP:NEWSORG	only briefly mentions Maupin and International Action Center	✘ No
The Guardian (6)	independent newspaper	The Guardian is a WP:NEWSORG	only briefly mentions Maupin and International Action Center	✘ No
CNN (7)	independent newspaper	CNN is a WP:NEWSORG	only briefly mentions Maupin and International Action Center	✘ No
Kyiv Post (8)	independent newspaper	~ opinion piece, though by writer focused on this topic area	article discusses Maupin, CPI, and its relationship to Tara Reade for half a dozen paragraphs	~ Partial
The Insider (11)	independent newspaper	The Insider (website) is a WP:NEWSORG	entire article is about Maupin, including CPI history, sexual abuse allegations, and relationship with Russian media	✔ Yes
Business Insider (14)	independent newspaper	Business Insider is a WP:NEWSORG	~ includes four paragraphs about Maupin's (key) role in getting American left-ish-ists to lend legitimacy to Nicaraguan government via election observation	~ Partial
Newsweek (15)	independent newspaper	Newsweek is a WP:NEWSORG	~ entire article is about an event by Maupin and CPI and their ideology/actions; however, article mostly repeats quotes and social media	~ Partial
Newsweek (16)	independent newspaper	Newsweek is a WP:NEWSORG	a list includes Maupin's name	✘ No
TruthOrFiction.com (18)	independent newspaper	TruthOrFiction.com is a WP:NEWSORG	~ entire article is about an event by Maupin and CPI and their ideology/actions; however, article mostly repeats quotes and social media	~ Partial
Polygraph.info (22)	independent newspaper	~ Polygraph.info is a US government news source; given that Maupin works for US geopolitical opponents, VOA may be unreliable	most of article is about Maupin and CPI; remainder is about the Rage Against the War Machine event that they helped organize	~ Partial
WUSA9 (25)	independent newspaper	WUSA9 is a WP:NEWSORG	~ although video does not mention Maupin, it discusses RAWM event held by Maupin and CPI	~ Partial
The Week (26)	independent newspaper	The Week is a WP:NEWSORG	~ although article does not mention Maupin, it discusses RAWM event held by Maupin and CPI	~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

SocDoneLeft (talk) 19:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Sources removed

Maupin identified as a Marxist-Leninist.

where Maupin praised Dugin's writings.

RT profile

Maupin worked for RT

In 2020, Maupin founded the Center for Political Innovation (CPIUSA),

which sought to "bring together" the "left and the right" to oppose war

In 2023, the Chinese Communist Party outlet Global Times interviewed Maupin and described CPIUSA as an American anti-war organization.

Speakers at CPIUSA events include Jackson Hinkle, Max Blumenthal, George Galloway, Joti Brar of the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) and Kalambayi Andenet of the African People's Socialist Party.

SocDoneLeft (talk) 21:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)