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== Lee Harvey Oswald ==

I'm in awe of your copy editing, it's a real object lesson in how to take sentences that ''seem'' ok, but then transform them into something much more fluid and logical. Even though you make it seem easy, I'm sure it takes a lot of time. I think it's an amazing skill and I'm studying your changes closely to try and learn as much from them as I can. Thank you. [[User:Alistair Stevenson|Alistair Stevenson]] ([[User talk:Alistair Stevenson|talk]]) 23:36, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
:Aw, shucks! (blush) The article was (fairly) well organized, and competent at the sentence level, but too much fat -- unimportant details like Ruth Paine drove Marnina from city X to Y, then later drove her from A to B -- OK, we know Ruth was a family friend and friends do such things -- the interested reader could find out details from the refs. Amazing how much tighter things get when you cut even small amounts of stuff like that, which then allows even whole paragraphs to collapse into a single (albeit somewhat more complex) sentence. ''Again, just for the record for anyone else listening, I have no interest in getting involved in controversy over LHO and JFK -- my intent is strictly to copyedit'' the article as it stands, neither adding nor omitting anything substantive. Having received no accusatory condemnations from impassioned assassination theorists of whatever stripe, I guess I've succeeded in doing that so far. Thanks for taking the time to compliment. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 12:38, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
::Your reply here reminds me of one of Mark Twain's quotes: "Anybody can have ideas—the difficulty is to express them without squandering a quire of paper on an idea that ought to be reduced to one glittering paragraph." — [[User:Preslethe|President Lethe]] ([[User talk:Preslethe|talk]]) 19:42, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
:::And your post reminds me of the old joke about the ambiguous letter of recommendation: "You will be lucky if you can get this man to work for you." [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:18, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

== Barnstar of (ploop) --oh NO it fell in the water! ==

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==From a new friend==
[[File:Whiffenpoofs of 1912 with Louie Linder and the Mohicans.jpg|250px|right|thumb|The Whiffenpoofs poised to perform the ''Fantasies of Victimization of 1912'']]<!-- Honestly, this is hysterically funny-->

:EEng, shockingly, I find I quite like you. The change came when I began to put your comments in the voice of Seth Green's character in [[Party Monster (2003 film)|Party Monster]]. It's no insult. He's mesmerizing. And when I imagine Seth Green's voice saying the phrases "Naturally I thought Lockley was behind this at first" and "be careful not to feed Lockley's fantasy of victimization" in the same breath, it makes a lot more sense. Now do let's leave each other alone for awhile if you can stand it.--[[User:Lockley|Lockley]] ([[User talk:Lockley|talk]]) 02:35, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

:::::I never saw PM and have only just now checked it out. Your comparison to me took on a disturbing quality when I read, ''...which details his friendship with Alig, that later fell apart as Alig's drug addiction worsened, and ended after he murdered Angel Melendez and went to prison,'' until I realized that the Seth Green character is the friend, not the murderer. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 22:29, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

::Yeah, I get that hate-turns-to-love thing a lot, though usually it takes years. I'm assuming you've alredy seen [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lockley&diff=next&oldid=534757112#privacy]. Shall we now, together, tell PBS to go soak his or her head? What a schoolmarm! It's like Atilla the Hun has appeared to dispense justice on my behalf. Saints preserve us! [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 02:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
::P.S. Be more careful who you hang out with -- that Binky guy's up to no good.
::P.P.S. Pull any more of that Yale shit and I'll have you boiled in oil.
:::okay, got it, no more Yalie stuff. --[[User:Lockley|Lockley]] ([[User talk:Lockley|talk]]) 03:17, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

::::Honestly, Lockley, I'd have thought, in this day and age, that you'd know better than to make fun of Poofs [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&diff=534764074&oldid=534761562]. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 22:28, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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http://aeritzo.tumblr.com/page/3
http://www.zug.com/pranks/harvard-vs-mit/index.html
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2329&dat=18900602&id=O7woAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1gUGAAAAIBAJ&pg=896,1390437 aurora "clawhammer" police powerless

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== Precious ==

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'''guarded logic'''<br />
Thank you for quality articles such as [[John Harvard statue]], developed with {{diff|Talk:John Harvard statue|518411227||care for detail}} and {{diff|John Harvard statue|517697957||explicit edit summaries}}, revealing "the idea of the three lies is at best a fourth", and other math, - you are an [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious|awesome Wikipedian]]!

--[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:48, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
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A year ago, you were the 463rd recipient of my [[User talk:PumpkinSky|PumpkinSky Prize]], --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Two years ago ..., - and did you know that several editors I know enjoy your user page inspiration, unable to decide which pair of image and caption is most to the point? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:59, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
:''<Bows, acknowledges applause>'' My only aim is to serve my fellow editors and the project. I am unworthy of your praise. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 13:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC) <small>Please visit [[User talk:Martinevans123]] and help talk him down off the ledge.</small>
:: <small>bzzt, {{diff|User talk:Martinevans123|658151422|658146602|I tried}}</small> --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 17:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

:: Three years ago, you were recipient no. [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Precious#EEng|463]] of Precious, a prize of QAI! <small>bzzt: I have [[Requiem (Reger)|a FAC open]]. </small> --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 06:52, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

:: Six years now! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 11:19, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:::Receiving your greeting is a pleasant spring ritual (and it sure beats getting nailed to a cross!). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:18, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

== Costco run ==

I searched and searched the aisles, and they were fresh out of troll food. So, on to other ventures. [[User:Cullen328|'''<font color="green">Cullen</font>'''<sup><font color="purple">328</font></sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<font color="blue">''Let's discuss it''</font>]] 04:22, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
:Why not bake some nice [http://www.ideafinder.com/history/inventions/tollhouse.htm Troll House cookies]? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 14:10, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

== [[John Harvard (clergyman)]]==
Nothing you ever did or said regarding the use of "emigrate" or "immigrate" made any sense to me. [http://www.google.com/search?q=supreme+court+%22emigrate+from%22&btnG=Search+Books&tbm=bks&tbo=1#q=supreme+court+%22emigrate+from%22&safe=off&tbm=bks] [[User:Sweetmoniker|Sweetmoniker]] ([[User talk:Sweetmoniker|talk]]) 08:43, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
----
Maybe this will make sense to you. You asserted, with palpable condescension, that ''immigrated from'' and ''emigrated to'' are blunders [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=John_Harvard_(clergyman)&diff=592466752&oldid=590848026]:
:''There is no possible level of appropriateness to debate on this subject. One "immigrates to" and "emigrates from" Consult any grammarian source if in doubt''.
[[File:John_Harvard_Tablet,_Emmanuel_College.jpg|thumb|upright=0.8]]
Though ''no possible level of appropriateness to debate on'' doesn't recommend you as a wordsmith, I would never deny my own fallibility. Thus I double-checked and... guess what? Your prissy 7th-grade English teacher Mrs. Snodgrass was wrong, and my warm and wonderful 8th-grade teacher Mr. Dunkum was right (hi, Mr. Dunkum, wherever you are!): one may ''emigrate from'' or ''emigrate to'' or (if one prefers) ''immigrate from'', or ''to'', as well.

You've been offered three compelling arguments for why this cannot be but so:
*''Argument logical [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=John_Harvard_(clergyman)&curid=198800&diff=592644691&oldid=592630416]:'' Under your theory this sentence is verboten{{nbsp}}--
::''He emigrated from England to America.''
:because (you say) one can't ''emigrate to'' somewhere. And the following is also a no-no{{nbsp}}--
::''He immigrated to America from England.''
:because (according to you) one can't ''immigrate from'' somewhere. So, presumably, you would have this{{nbsp}}--
::''He emigrated from England and immigrated to America.''
:inflicted on the reader, and that's ridiculous. ''QED.''<ref>From the Greek for ''Quite Easily Done''.</ref>
*''Argument empirical general [http://enwp.org?diff=592711862]:'' As seen here [http://www.google.com/search?q=supreme+court+%22emigrated+to%22&tbm=bks] examples of ''emigrated to'' are thick on the ground in the opinions of the Supreme Court of the United States, the Supreme Courts of sundry states of said United States, and the esteemed and honorable Courts Supreme (or other highest courts) of numerous other jurisdictions and sovereignties. High court justices are usually considered exemplary expositors.
:And as if that's not enough, no less luminous a legal legend than the great Epaphroditus Peck quoted the digest of a Massachusetts court's opinion thus:<ref>Peck, Epaphroditus (1913). ''[http://books.google.com/books?id=ak4aAAAAYAAJ&dq=%22emigrated%20to%22&pg=PA173 The Law of Persons: Or, Domestic Relations]'', p. 173. I have no idea who Peck was, but once I saw the name Epaphroditus resistance was futile.</ref>
::''Refusal by an English woman, whose husband had <big>'''emigrated to'''</big> the United States and had obtained employment here, to follow him to this country when he reqeuested her to come and sent her money for her passage, was held to be desertion by her, it being found that she had no other reason for her refusal that reluctance to leave her native land. Franklin v. Franklin, 190 Mass. 349; 4 L.R.A. (N.S) 145. See the note to [etc etc and so on and so forth...]''
:Now, you're not ''really'' planning to climb into the ring with Epaphroditus Peck, are you?
*''Argument empirical specifical{{thinsp}}<ref>Made-up word.</ref> [http://enwp.org?diff=592709611]:'' Emmanuel College's tablet "In Memory of John Harvard A.M." describes the man as "A member of Emmanuel College who <big>'''emigrated to'''</big> Massachusetts Bay...", and later describes ''itself'' as "erected by Harvard men ... in the College which fostered his beneficent spirit." Since as is well known Harvard men think they're always right, and Emmanuel men pretty much ''are'' always right, this wording (passed by both) must surely be considered dispositive.

The true difference between ''imm-'' and ''em-'' is a subtle one of emphasis and narrative point of view. These --
*''John lost his best friend when Bill emigrated to America.''
*''Many of these new immigrants to America had left good friends behind.''
*''Those emigrating from France found it relatively easy to obtain exit papers; those from Germany, less so.''
*''American authorities scrutinized those immigrating from France less carefully than those from Germany.''
-- are all fine and all subtly different, and would be irreparably crippled if twisted to fit your Procrustean bed of linguistic over-prescription.

[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 06:14, 29 January 2014 (UTC) P.S. The link in your post above proves only that ''emigrate from'' is acceptable, not that ''emigrate to'' is unacceptable

===References===
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===Telegrams from near and far===
=====[http://wiki.riteme.site?diff=592927070 The very model of a Modern Emigrantical]=====
Mr. Dunkum would be right proud, not to mention [[W. S. Gilbert|Sir William Schwenck Gilbert]]. "Procrustean bed" indeed. I doff my specifical QED to you, dear EEng. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 07:49, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
::Not everyone shares your high opinion, Mr. Jonesey (assuming you weren't being facetious). Aside from ol' CG (<del>above</del><u>below</u>) we have this effusive praise: "so snobbish and pigheaded that I could only make it through three sentences until I couldn't force myself to continue." [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?diff=592950080] Noting, however, that ''it was this critic himself'' who wrote the bulk of my post's opening (i.e. "There is no possible level of appropriateness to debate on this subject{{nbsp}}... Consult any grammarian source if in doubt") I must complement the gentleman on his candid self-evaluation. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 04:25, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
:::I could not have been farther (further?) from Facetious, wherever that may be. Mesmerized was more like it. Gobsmacked. Enthralled. I smile enigmatically at you, and my eyes follow you about your chambers. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 05:02, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
::::My attorney will need your address for the restraining order. It would be best if you cooperate. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 05:54, 30 January 2014 (UTC) P.S. Many people leaving Facetious find themselves in [[Schenectady, New York|Synecdoche]] (and of course when I say ''[[Synecdoche]]'' I really mean the greater Synecdoche area).

=====Personal attack? You decide! <small>''[Section heading not supplied by ChrisGualtieri]''</small>=====
Did you really... and I mean that... need to spend all that time making such a post? Its your time, but I think some of this is a bit ironic. Glad to see you are still floating about. [[User:ChrisGualtieri|ChrisGualtieri]] ([[User talk:ChrisGualtieri|talk]]) 06:45, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

::How much time do you think it took me? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 07:16, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

::In any event, it took about one ''Masterpiece Theatre'' episode. (This current post cost about 1/2 a ''Modern Family.'') You like to mass-update article classes, I like to warn off stubbornly misinformed know-it-alls.
{{collapse top|title=<big>WARNING! Text inside constitutes, according to one editor, a ''personal attack!''</big>}}
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::Chief among our differences, CG, is that you seem to think that beautiful portraits (or fine Wikipedia articles) are created by dutifully coloring between lines set out for us by our betters, instead of considering what will please the eye or nourish the intellect. Perhaps you would have asked da Vinci, "Did you really need to spend all that time making such a picture?"?
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::[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 04:25, 30 January 2014 (UTC) P.S. What is it that's ironic
{{anchor|burning bridges}}
:::: I'd watch those personal attacks and bearing false witness because I don't tolerate such abuse sitting down. Your comment shows your ignorance and folly - but if you take such pride in burning bridges, far be it from me to tell you that you've burnt the last with I. [[User:ChrisGualtieri|ChrisGualtieri]] ([[User talk:ChrisGualtieri|talk]]) 00:40, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
[[File:Wikip-facepalm.jpg|right|thumb|upright=0.5|Far be it from me to tell you what I just told you.]]
:::::Second on the list of differences between us is that you think everything's a personal attack. You certainly don't take anything lying down -- you get right in there and issue stern warnings! [https://wiki.riteme.site?diff=581426888][https://wiki.riteme.site?diff=583935485] Some of them are even "last" warnings! [https://wiki.riteme.site?diff=584643831] And "bearing false witness" -- what... gonna report me for violating [[WP:TENCOMMANDMENTS]]?

:::::Re "Far be it from me to tell you that you've burnt the last [bridge] with I"... Is that meant to be some kind of brain teaser? It's like a kid saying, "I'm not gonna tell you that mom has milk and cookies in the kitchen."

:::::Anyway, that's "burnt the last with <u>me</u>," Einstein [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 05:20, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

== Talk page comment ==

Not sure if you realise that {{diff|Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers|599576281|599559976|your edit}} at [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers]] inserted your reply in the middle of [[User:Makyen|Makyen]]'s comment, which I believe is poor form: your reply should be below, after Makyen's signature, to avoid confusion about who wrote what. I suggest you move your reply.

Sorry to always be harping on the negatives instead of admiring all the good stuff you've been doing! I get the sense that you sometimes seem to be in a rush to post your changes and then having to repeatedly edit again and again to patch things up, and there's always the risk that someone will revert, edit, or start a conversation while you're still perfecting your work. Maybe it would be beneficial if you tinkered in the sandbox before posting your finished product for all to enjoy, which might make us all more inclined to praise your work rather than criticise works in progress. I digress. Keep up the good work! <small>—'''[[User:sroc|sroc]]'''&nbsp;[[User talk:sroc|&#x1F4AC;]]</small> 14:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

== Sorry! ==

Reading on my iPad and did not mean to revert you! Deepest apologies! [[User:Kafka Liz|Kafka Liz]] ([[User talk:Kafka Liz|talk]]) 01:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:Oh! Too bad I didn't get this sooner -- the unmanned killer drone has already been dispatched. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 01:33, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
:Luckily I was able to get the killer drone recalled. Sorry if it gave you a fright.<p>I'd be interested to know what you think of the article. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 01:35, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
::Poor Lizzie died of fright, but I, Kafka Jane, can give a close reading if you wish. Overall, I'd say it looks damn good. [[User:Kafka Liz|Kafka Liz]] ([[User talk:Kafka Liz|talk]]) 11:25, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

== Cash for you ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Here's some cash for coming up with that alt hook [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/North_Fork_Tangascootack_Creek&curid=43168048&diff=614934801&oldid=614933693]. --'''[[User:Jakec|Jakob]] ([[user talk:Jakec|talk]]) ''' 21:54, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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:This beats that stupid wikilove and the kittens any day. I'm rich! [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 21:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
::[[:File:2.2-Cash-Roll.gif|EEng]] demonstrates the "DYK reviewer [[Cash for Honours|somersault]]". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:12, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

== July 2014 ==
[[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history at [[:Template:Did you know/Preparation area 4]] shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]. '''Being involved in an edit war can result in your being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''&mdash;especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;'''even if you don't violate the three-revert rule'''&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. See [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle|BRD]] for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. {{Break}}''You should know better than to behave this way.''<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 13:44, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
::So should you. Honestly, can't you just let something fun and interesting, like a weird old word almost no one's seen in 200 years, live and grow? [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_4&diff=618811324&oldid=618783251] [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 13:48, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
:::[EC] The discussion is, as you know, occurring at [[Wikipedia talk:Did you know]].
:::Your action -- introducing a word into a hook in prep that was not used in the article, is found in very few dictionaries, and was not discussed on the nomination page -- is indeed typical of the antics of some less mature Wikipedia contributors, but it is not in keeping with the established rules of DYK, except perhaps on April 1. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 13:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
::::See my prior response. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 13:53, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::Oh dear, I see the [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/balloon_goes_up balloon's gone up] over this one. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:00, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::<small>''[At this point I'll just quote a bit of Orlady's post (above) here, '''adding my own bolding''', since she's [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=618914224 ludicrously determined to draw attention to her own silliness and fuss over the utterly trivial]... Here goes:]''
:::::::::::Your action -- introducing a word into a hook in prep that was not used in the article, is found in very few dictionaries, and was not discussed on the nomination page -- is indeed typical of the '''antics of some less mature''' Wikipedia contributors, but it is not in keeping with the established rules of DYK, except perhaps on April 1. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 13:52, 28 July 2014 (UTC)</small>
::::::Where were you when your fellow '''less mature''' editors needed support for their '''antics'''? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 14:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I think we can all find out only too easily... tee-hee. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:53, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Um, something's just come up with "Article has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days" (using my DYK checker tool). Not sure what to do about that. Seems a real shame.[[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:14, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Um, um, what article are you talking about? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 20:24, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::The very lousy one, of course! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:00, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Martin, that DYKchecker tool is just a tool for use by humans. Humans aren't suppose to let the tool make decisions for them. Humans can -- and do, on a regular basis -- understand that articles are eligible for DYK if they were nominated within the specified time window. Eligibility doesn't automatically expire for nominations sitting on the noms page. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 21:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::Martin, is your concern whether the nomination was within the idiotic 7-day limit? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 21:26, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes. But then I'm only human, alas. And only mostly idiotic. I'm guessing that it was indeed nominated within 7 days of its passing GA (if that was what's required). [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yes, I think the nom is timely. As you know I never pass up any opportunity to point out that the idiotic 7-day idiotic requirement is idiotically idiotic. So can you complete the review? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 21:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::All looks fine to me. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:43, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Special Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Special Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | When I left a message on the DYK talk page, I didn't expect much to come of it for at least 12 hours, but the deadly duo of EEng and Yoninah performed magnificently, I expected it would need some fixes from me, but you, Yoninah, and Belle fixed all the issues. Thank you very much for getting it done for me, I am very grateful. Best, [[User:Matty.007|<span style="color: #F00;">Mat</span>]][[User talk:Matty.007|<span style="color: #00F;">ty</span>]]<span style="color: #800080">.</span>[[Special:Contributions/Matty.007|<span style="color: #039180">007</span>]] 07:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
|}

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Special Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Special Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For becoming the target of administrator Orlady. [[User:WilliamJE|...William]] 13:23, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
|}
::Wow. Do you get a volume discount for the barnstars? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 18:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Libellus_responsionum&diff=620416459&oldid=620411226 For this God-tier pun] - that is the first and probably the last papal decretal related pun I shall ever see. I'm afraid I do not have a witty responsionum :( [[User:Acather96|Acather96]] ([[User talk:Acather96#top|click here to contact me]]) 20:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
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== 3RR at [[Phineas Gage]] ==

Please be careful about [[WP:3RR]]. Thanks. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 14:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

[[Image:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|ANI]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#EEng and edit warring|EEng and edit warring]]. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. —[[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 07:39, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
[[File:Popcorn.svg|thumb|100px|Today's drama-fest will begin at 1400 hours. Refreshments and snacks will be provided for the [[peanut gallery]].<small>[[Midnight Express (film)|Turkish Delight]] also available.</small>]]
:Without wishing to comment on who's right and who's wrong, I threw together [[User:Ritchie333/Hit and run editors]] today, and one point I made in it is that the typical Wikipedia ''reader'' won't be too fussed about what citation templates are used in an article. I can barely master {{tl|sfn}}, and even then it's akin to drawing a pentagram on the floor and hope the formatting doesn't cause errors or get reverted. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:17, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Not content with getting a metal bar [[Bees in His Bonnet|stuck in your head]], you now seem to be responsible for ruining a perfectly good ancient [[Ani|Turkish city]]! Shame on you. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:20, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

::ANI is a cool place to hang out. Most people there find it so cool that's the only place they '''do''' hang out. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 17:23, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
:::I have a good sense of humor, but I don't find this one funny. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:39, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

::::Yes, I do hope you're not suggesting it's some kind of [[Harry Hill's Shark Infested Custard|piranha pool]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:42, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

{{od|4}}
''[Referring to caption at right]'' Dammit, I'm going out. I hate for my tickets to go to waste. Know anyone who can use them? To answer (Ritchie) your question re GA (not FA) delisting, see [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=481888179#Great_article.21] which incidentally makes some blushworthy comments.
<p>But seriously, I'd be very happy for you to comment on who's right and who's wrong. .<p>[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 17:54, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

::'''Oppose''': that's how we do things round here when asked for a comment (I know you didn't ask me to comment, but that's par for the course too) [[User:Belle|Belle]] ([[User talk:Belle|talk]]) 18:02, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
*Further to Ritchie: Your essay is bang on. You might want to draw on this by {{u|Beyond My Ken}} (you'll find it linked under ''Thoughts'' or something from his userpage):
::''The flip side of "ownership" is the problem of editors who come to an article with a particular agenda, make the changes they want to the page according to their preconceived notions of what should be, and then flit off to their next victim, without ever considering whether the page really '''''needed''''' the change they made, or whether the change '''''improved''''' the article at all. These '''''hit and run editors''''' certainly never take the time to evaluate the article in question, consider what its needs are, and spend the time necessary to improve its quality. Their editing is an off-the-rack, one-size-fits-all proposition, premised on the idea that what improves one article, or one type of article, will automatically improve every other article or type of article. In the grand scheme of things, "ownership" may cause conflicts when two editors take the same degree of interest in a particular article, and disagree with it, but mostly it helps to preserve what is best in an article. On the other hand, '''''hit-and-run editing''''', including the plague of '''''hit-and-run tagging''''' that's defaced so many Wikipedia articles, is a much more serious problem, because it's more difficult to detect, frequently flies under the flag of the MoS (and therefore is presumed at first blush to be legitimate), and is more widespread. Wikipedians should worry more about those who hit-and-run, and less about those who feel stewardship towards the articles they work so hard on. <small>'''03:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)'''</small>''

[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 18:09, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

:BMK's thoughts page is generally brilliant - here's another one : "''Start with an article that looks like shit and reads like it was written by a high-school dropout. A hundred edits later, take another look at the article – and it still looks and reads like shit. That's because the intervening edits did useful things like replace m-dashes with n-dashes, capitalized the first letters of template names, added interwiki links, vandalized and reverted the vandalism, made sure that bold text was being used as laid down in the manual of style, removed extraneous blank lines and miscellaneous other actions which did not, in any fundamental way, improve the article.''" [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:20, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

==Thin-skinned admin blocks for criticism of ''himself!''==
See section immediately following -- so thin-skinned he even made this [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=624514248] edit! [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 05:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

===August 2014===
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''48 hours''' for attempting to [[Wikipedia:Harassment|harass]] other users. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. However, you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. &nbsp;[[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 05:36, 30 August 2014 (UTC)</div>{{z8}}<!-- Template:uw-hblock -->

I [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk%3APhineas_Gage&diff=622853018&oldid=622849844 asked you] to stop your name calling. You did the [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&diff=623405365&oldid=623404497 same exact thing at ANI] and went on to call editors "self-satisfied roving enforcers". Disagreeing with editors is one thing, but belittling editors is another. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 05:42, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

:Noting that you are blocking for comments regarding ''you'', I'll let the great [[John Stuart Mill]] try to explain to you how ridiculous you're making yourself look:{{quote|Before quitting the subject of freedom of opinion, it is fit to take notice of those who say, that the free expression of all opinions should be permitted, on condition that the manner be temperate ... If the test be offence to those whose opinion is attacked, I think experience testifies that the offence is given whenever the attack is telling and powerful, and that every opponent who pushes them hard, and whom they find it difficult to answer, appears to them, if he shows any strong feeling on the subject, an intemperate opponent.}}
:In other words, it stings because it's so true, you're mad because you can't think of anything to say in response, and as the person criticized you shouldn't take it upon yourself to decide whether the criticism is appropriate.
:I doubt I'll appeal this since there's more use letting it stand as a 48-hour monument to your thin-skinned pettiness. Along those lines I'd appreciate it if you'd note this block in the ANI discussion -- unless you'd prefer others not see your action side by side with the "offense" that prompted it.
:[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 06:30, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
:P.S. Will you be blocking {{u|Nyttend}} as well? After all, he called you an "amateur" [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=623169912] -- that must have stung pretty bad too. Or [[User:Ritchie333/Hit and run editors|that mean Ritchie333]], who called you "a stereotypical Wikipedian, who makes a large amount of similar changes to pages, despite having had no evidence of being previously interested in any of them" (not by name, of course, but then I didn't call you by name either -- you just seemed to know it was you that I was referring to -- funny, isn't it). Ritchie also mentioned that "One of the reasons hit and run editors have gained prominence in [the area of trivial formatting changes] is that writing the encyclopaedia has become more difficult. The quality of work has increased in some areas, which makes it harder to contribute without good knowledge in the subject matter and sources. Fiddling with the formatting seems to be a suitable alternative passtime". That must ''really'' hurt. You should definitely block {{u|Ritchie333}} for that!

::[[User:EEng|EEng]] requesting in your talk page that other people get blocked is not very nice. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 07:20, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::Magioladitis, if you actually think that what I wrote was a suggestion that {{u|Nyttend}} or {{u|Ritchie333}} (or, for that matter, {{u|Beyond My Ken}} or {{u|BedsBookworm}}) be blocked, then words fail. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 14:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
:::But I'm not sure if blocking someone is that much nicer? I certainly wouldn't condone "personal attacks", but goodness me, compared to what I've been called on occasion, this looks like a rather mild but candid observation. Could [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] be regarded as "involved" in any way here? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:52, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
::::{{u|Martinevans123}}, perhaps you'll be kind enough to post a mention of this block at the ANI thread. I want it in the record there before it gets archived. Bgwhite apparently prefers to work under cover of darkness. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 14:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::I have already noted there. Yes, he may be a bit of a [[The Night of the Hunter (film)|"rover"]] (allegedly). But at least he doesn't go sneaking off to the [[Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes|dentist]] for some off-wiki relaxation! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:34, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
{{od|5}}
'''Just for the record, a former member of Arbcom called this block "outrageous"''' [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=624372972]. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 02:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
: {{ping|Bgwhite}} probably does not agree with your continued snark and attacks, but I do not think changing the header to "Admin blocks for criticism of himself" is appropriate here. It does not seem to follow the talk page guidelines and I've warned you repeatedly for making gross abuses of my own text. Please stop inflaming the situation - this is getting beyond distasteful. [[User:ChrisGualtieri|ChrisGualtieri]] ([[User talk:ChrisGualtieri|talk]]) 03:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
:: Please don't change words I wrote. For the record, I had edited the ANI discussion three times and not on the thread you responded too. You were responding to John and Typto's comments. The examples you gave were John's and you took a swipe at John. Your words were directed at all editors editing Gage. Other admins at the ANI page said you did a blockable offense. At least now you are directing your hate at me instead of Chris, John, Typto and everybody else. Just drop it and edit Phineas Gage‎ with Chris. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 08:05, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
:::Just for the record: No editor contested the blocked while it was active and no unblock has been requested. Eeng remained blocked for 48 hours. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 13:02, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
{{od|3}}
Sorry, missed these comments until now, and they bear responding to, just for the record.
*As already explained above I was perfectly happy to have been blocked by a thin-skinned bully like Bgwhite. And many ''more'' editors at ANI said I did not "do a blockable offense" (to use the words of an editor who has trouble writing English) and scolded Bgwhite for acting in clear violation of [[WP:INVOLVED]].
*My words were not directed at all editors editing the Gage article, but rather a small group of self-certain editors who tag-team actual content contributors to maintain their freedom to impose nonexistent "rules" reflecting nothing but their desire to feel they're doing something useful -- regardless of whether or not they actually are.
*Magioladitis' clueless non sequiturs, showing he comprehends nothing that came before, make more obvious how blissfully insular is the mindless echo chamber of mutual cheerleading in which this group operates.
[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 05:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
:Well, I disagree with that. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 22:33, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
::It's almost artistic -- the way in which your spare, innocent obliviousness makes my point more eloquently than I could ever hope to make it myself. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 05:14, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
:::No problem. Do you think you have to be blocked for using the expression "thin-skinned bully" or not? -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 09:20, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
::::No, I don't ''have'' to be blocked -- what a weird way you have of expressing yourself -- but if a thin-skinned bully wanted to further underscore what a thin-skinned bully he is, that would be a great way for him to do it. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 18:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

== Some style ==

"The Manual of Style is not yet an education-free zone." I love your style. Cheers. [[User:Jonathunder|Jonathunder]] ([[User talk:Jonathunder|talk]]) 18:45, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
:Opinion is split on that, with no middle ground -- it seems an editor can either love my style, or burn with hatred for it, with no middle ground ''ever''. Submitted for your consideration:
:*[http://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=589683559#Great_article.21] vs. [http://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=561173872]
:*[http://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=625847053#Telegrams_from_near_and_far] -- scroll back to see how that started, and be sure to continue into the next section ("Humor... on Wikipedia?").
:[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 19:56, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
::<small>Not every teenage girl lets you read her diary! ("blush") [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC) </small>
:::<small>The phrase in dispute was ''is remarkably small'', which leads me hope the teenage girl wasn't someone he was dating -- though that would explain the autonomic hostility. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 22:19, 16 September 2014 (UTC)</small>
::::<small>We shall have to call you "[[The Diary of a Nobody|Lupin]]", I fear. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC) </small>

== October 2014 ==
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''72 hours''' for [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit warring]] and violating the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], as you did at [[:Eleanor Elkins Widener]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. However, you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first.<p>During a dispute, you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] and seek [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[Wikipedia:Page protection|page protection]]. &nbsp;[[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 20:26, 4 October 2014 (UTC)</p></div><!-- Template:uw-3block -->

{{unblock reviewed|1=
See the article history: [http://wiki.riteme.site/?title=Eleanor_Elkins_Widener&offset=20141005000000&limit=30&action=history]
*Admin Bgwhite is WP:INVOLVED, as he and I have had trouble before re this very article [http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Check_Wikipedia&diff=622364177] (though I have never told him or anyone else to "fuck off") and on other articles.
*I repeatedly asked that the question be raised at the article's Talk page, per BRD. [http://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=628204047][http://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=628204884][http://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=628206706]
*Blocks are meant to be preventative, not punitive. Bgwhite blocked me [http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:EEng#October_2014] seven hours after my last edit, and after another editor had restored the article to "my" version [http://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=628209972]. The article continues to remain in "my" version, with no attempt to change it by anyone including WP:INVOLVED admin Bgwhite. The block serves no purpose.
[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 09:11, 5 October 2014 (UTC)|decline= Your edits weren't exempt from the rules on edit warring, because you weren't removing a copyright violation, a libelous statement, or vandalism. In this context, you were edit warring, and considering this is your second block, 72 hours is a reasonable duration. [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 07:52, 7 October 2014 (UTC)}}

{{<nowiki>unblock</nowiki>|1=The unblock decline did not address any of the points I raised in my request, which are, again:
*That the blocking admin acted in contravention of [[WP:INVOLVED]], given his prior disputes with me regarding that very page and other pages.
*That the block was in no way preventative, in that it was made 7 hours after the last relevant edit to the page (during time no other admin saw fit to take action, and despite an ANEW thread being open all that time -- reinforcing the stink of INVOLVED already mentioned).
}}

===Discussion===

[[User:EEng|EEng]] it's not "your" version. Any block to bots that you added was removed exactly because it served no reason as I explained you but you kept reverting me and another editor. The nobots tag on the page is only to prevent bad typo fixing by editors who won;t understand the template you put inside a word. In fact, the template inside the word is not needed since the browser takes care (or at least should care care) of this. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 09:27, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
:Bottom line, the template you were warring to remove was restored by another editor, after which you suddenly dropped your efforts to remove it. Whether the template has the precise same list of bots as before doesn't matter -- it lists the bots that have recently done damage to the article, which is all I was trying to maintain. (Talk page discussion might have come up with a narrower list of bots to block, if that was your concern, but you declined my repeated invitations.)
:Please stop trying to prove who's right and go spend your time fixing the bugs in your scripts that are the cause of all this wasted effort. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 14:25, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Wow, a second block by Bgwhite. What a coincidence. Do you have any idea how [[user:Bladesmulti]] learnt of your lil spat with Magioladitis in order to revert you 11 minutes after your second revert of Magioladitis? It seems like another coincidence. Did they participate in any related discussions about the article? p.s., for future reference, 3RR is a fairly strict limit; once you hit it, you need to take a break or take the matter to talk / another venue for more people to see the dispute and help one way or another, irrespective of right or wrong, unless the article is a BLP or very clear-cut vandalism. <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''</sup></span> 16:39, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
:Actually, based on my conversation with Bladesmulti in the section just above this one ([[#Edit_warring_on_Eleanor_Elkins_Widener]]) it appears he walked in on the dustup with Magioladitis quite by accident (though I think it would have been better had he stayed out of the firefight, not knowing the background).
:Of course you're right about 3RR, strictly speaking, but you'll notice that seven hours after a 15-minute edit war only Magioladitis' old pal Bgwhite saw fit to issue a (72-hour!) block over such a silly matter.
:It's also too bad that an unblock request sits for days with no resolution either way. I'm not ashamed to be blocked by a thin-skinned bully like Bgwhite (see [[#Thin-skinned_admin_blocks_for_criticism_of_himself.21]] -- and even less ashamed to be blocked by him twice, since it shows his colors that much more clearly -- but naturally I'd prefer that the record reflect the WP:INVOLVED, punitive, and angry nature of his action.
:For those who don't know, Magioladitis is the maintainer (or one of the maintainers) of AWB, which does a lot of good on certain types of articles (those which haven't gotten careful human attention to their formatting) but also a certain amount of bad on other articles (those which have been carefully formatted by humans, sometimes in ways outside the experience of editors like Magioladitis and Bgwhite). What seems to have upset him (or them) is that the article carried a {{t|bots}} template asking that AWB and certain other bots, which have made damaging "fixes" to the article in the past, spend their time elsewhere. I suspect his hacker's ego is hurt by the idea that his scripts don't have free rein to roam as they please, and his edit summaries claiming "any problems have been addressed" and "tools work after last changes I [made to?] the page" are typical of assurances heard from inexperienced programmers everywhere: "Now I'm sure my code works -- I found the last bug -- trust me!" He doesn't seem to understand that no tool is appropriate for every situation. That's only my speculation of course. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 18:26, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
::As I wrote, with page's current state, no AWB bot will make any unwanted changes. And in fact the bots tags is completely useless there since the only possible problem is a typo fix bug. Since typo fixing is only made by human editors and it is known to be imperfect (for instance, in some cases, there are typos on purpose or "typos" are actually rare words) editors should get any edit before the save. AWB's typo fixing is more of suggestions and less strict rules. I never wrote that I guarantee that AWB does not have bugs and it won't make unwanted changes in future version of that page (or any other page). It is very likely that the entire problem was a misunderstanding but please assume good faith in the future. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 21:37, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
:::What is the block length of 72 hours based on, exactly? If this repeated re-addition was based on some kind of lack of understanding in the part of EEng, is a 72-hour block meant to be more effective in "re-educating" him than a shorter block? Surely the link provided to [[User:Bgwhite]]'s edit of [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Check_Wikipedia&diff=622364177 22 August] shows he was very clearly [[WP:INVOLVED]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:51, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
::::I can't speak on behalf of Bgwhite but just note that the time period is the next bigger after the previous 48-hour block. I do not like if the discussion goes there. I think the best is to find a way to work altogether and I see EEng not helping on this direction. There was no reason to go for 5-6 reverts as there is not reason not to believe me that AWB won't affect the page negatively for the time being since I have tested it before removing the tag. If we all assume good faith and co-operate we will be more productive. Have you seen me making any large scale changes in any of the pages EEng works? No. Because EEng does a wonderful job, as fasr as I have seen, in finding sources. I respect their work but I would like to see a page in a state other editors can get involved too. Anyway, I do not want to open a completely new conversation about everything right now. -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 22:05, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
:::::I've been feeling awful about this since it happened, and I haven't known what exactly to say until now, but I feel like there are a few things I want to say. As EEng knows, 3RR is a serious thing, and I think the final straw was that EEng made two reverts after the notice on his talk page. There was a report at [[WP:3RRN]], and administrators pay close attention to whether or not the reverting stopped after the editor was notified. It seems to me that if Bgwhite had not made the block, some other administrator would have. (And I don't think that requests to go to talk in edit summaries of reverts make the reverts alright.) EEng, please, we need you here at Wikipedia, and you are too smart to get sucked into these edit wars. Please get a hold on the reverting, before we lose you completely. I'm really worried, and I really mean that. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:16, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
::::::Well No, [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]], I must admit that I haven't really been monitoring your interactions with EEng. And I only really commented as it's been quite a while since he requested, along what appear to be very sensible lines, a review of his block. Perhaps he'll get a review after about 71 and a half hours have elapsed? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:28, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I just looked at the list of requests for block review, and there's a backlog, with 31 such open requests right now, so I doubt that there is a personal snub here. But I have an idea. EEng, just in case you want something to do while restricted to this talk page, how about archiving old threads? Otherwise, you might be going for the world record for the longest user talk page! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:34, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
::::::::I just left a note at [[WP:AN]] about the backlog, so maybe that will get some attention. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:27, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

{{U|Martinevans123}} pinged me.
* Yes, I've blocked EEng before. That doesn't mean I cannot block him again. I'm not aware of any interaction I've had with him since 7th September. That was to complain that EEng is changing my messages on his talkpage, which he has since changed again (so, warning, EEng has done and may edit by messages here). The interaction before that was August 30th. I believe EEng has a fixation on me, but not the other way around.
* I was contacted by two people about EEng's edit war. They also made me aware of [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FEdit_warring&diff=628207331&oldid=628178637 this] thread at [[WP:AN3]]. So, if I didn't make a block, someone else reading AN3 would have.
* I've blocked three people (including EEng) in the past week for 3RR, two 72-hour blocks and a 24-hour block.
::a) The other two were on the same article. One person was recently blocked for edit warring, thus I did a 72-hour block. The other person had a clean slate, thus a 24-hour block.
::b) I did 72-hours for EEng because: He was recently blocked, he reverted 5 times, he reverted three different people, his was disparaging in his edit summaries ("your vague assurances are worthless") and he disregarded the instructions at {{tl|nobots}} on how to apply the template. Remove half of these and it would still warrant 72-hour block. From [[WP:EW]], "Where a block is appropriate, 24 hours is common for a first offense; administrators tend to issue longer blocks for repeated or aggravated violations, and will consider other factors, such as civility and previous blocks."
* Unlike what EEng said in his block appeal, the article is not currently at "his" version. [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Eleanor_Elkins_Widener&diff=628206706&oldid=628205090 This] is his last version. [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Eleanor_Elkins_Widener&diff=628209972&oldid=628209749 This] is the current version. They are different.
* EEng did ask the question to be raised on the talk page. However, EEng never did raise it on the talk page. On his 5th revert, he did ask this to be discussed again. After the 3rd revert, one doesn't continue to revert, they should ask the question on the talk page. EEng wasn't following what he asked of others.
* [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 22:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
::{{Ping|Bgwhite}} You said: "I was contacted by two people about EEng's edit war." I don't see those contacts on your user talk page. Can you tell us anything about those contacts? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:14, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
:::{{U|Tryptofish}}, both were by email. Both were sent while I was asleep. I do believe they were sent so I would block EEng. Who/What/Why is not relevant. Admins get notices all the time about somebody's alleged bad behavior. I've been sent emails and notifications multiple times the past month about EEng and not acted on it. This time, he clearly broke the rules, which is why I intervened. If EEng didn't break the rules, we wouldn't be here and that is the only thing to consider. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 23:42, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Bgwhite}} Thanks very much for the reply. I agree that it doesn't matter who the people were, and I have no doubt about admins getting lots of e-mails. But I think that I can safely infer that the two persons weren't merely spamming every admin they could think of. They likely contacted you because you were the blocking admin the previous time. In no way do I think that this fact affects the validity of the block, so please don't think that I am implying that. However, it does speak to how you are becoming perceived as the admin who is receptive to blocking EEng. For that reason, I recommend that you consider yourself to be "involved" in the future. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:49, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
::::I thought the idea behind [[WP:INVOLVED]] was that the blocking admin was, or had been, in dispute with the blocked editor in the same article? Saying "if I didn't make a block, someone else reading AN3 would have" looks a bit like saying "WP:INVOLVED doesn't apply if I can save another adnin diong the same job."? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:19, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
:::::I believe that PhilKnight's reasoning is correct. Although I've said what I said above to Bgwhite, I think that the two existing blocks walked right up to the line of INVOLVED, without actually crossing over that line. Bgwhite never edited the Widener biography page where the reverts took place. In most of the conflicts between EEng and Bgwhite, Bgwhite has been acting in an administrative role rather than as a disagreeing editor, although, just as EEng has, frankly, taunted Bgwhite, Bgwhite needs to start considering, going forward, that he is starting to be perceived as having an involved or prejudiced role. And I wish EEng would drop the review requests, because it would be asking a lot of ''any'' administrator reviewing the AN3 report to assume that, had EEng been reverted again, EEng would not have continued to revert, given what had already happened. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:46, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Unblock request was declined per [[WP:UNINVOLVED]] which reads "One important caveat is that an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, or whose prior involvements are minor or obvious edits which do not speak to bias, is not involved and is not prevented from acting in an administrative capacity in relation to that editor or topic area." -- [[User:Magioladitis|Magioladitis]] ([[User talk:Magioladitis|talk]]) 15:36, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
:Was it? Perhaps the decline rationale should have mentioned [[WP:UNINVOLVED]] in some way? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:11, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
:: I don't accept that [[WP:INVOLVED]] is a good enough reason to unblock. At most, if I accepted the involved rationale, I would take over the block myself. [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 17:28, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
::: A fair comment. Thanks for clarifying that your decline was not "per [[WP:UNINVOLVED]]". But I think you should give a clear answer about it, one way or the other. If you think the block is still valid, that's fair enough. But at least we will all have clarity on when it is appropriate to block and when it is not. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:35, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
:::: I agree with John Vandenberg's comment about going over 3RR - there are very few circumstances when that's acceptable, and this certainly wasn't one of them. In this context, I think the block is valid. [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 17:49, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
::::: Sorry, I was asking for clarity about "[[WP:UNINVOLVED]] vs [[WP:INVOLVED]]". Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:51, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
:::::: I think Tryptofish's comment about the block being just on the right side of the line of WP:INVOLVED is correct. [[User:PhilKnight|PhilKnight]] ([[User talk:PhilKnight|talk]]) 18:24, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

===Uninvolved? You must be joking ===
This is all quite academic at this point, but still enlightening. Magioladitis, you don't seem to have looked at the diff I supplied re INVOLVED [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=622364177] -- a discussion in which I asked (not of Bgwhite):
:What purpose is served by activating it? Please answer in terms of how articles are improved by highlighting < p>, not in terms of the mechanisms of operation of these tools. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng|talk]]) 11:33 am, 22 August 2014, Friday (1 month, 16 days ago) (UTC-4)
and Bgwhite jumped in out of nowhere to reply
:We've been thru this before. You do not like anything about Checkwiki. You've told us to fuck off. You've called us MOS Nazis. We show where in MOS, but you've used MOS is just a guideline/policy and IAR. The funny thing is, one of the reasons [[Phineas Gage]] is not a GA is because of your idiosyncratic formatting. The very thing we've been preaching is one of things holding back your GA nomination. [[Eleanor Elkins Widener]] is already on the whitelist and won't be checked for <nowiki><p></nowiki> again. [[User:Bgwhite|Bgwhite]] ([[User talk:Bgwhite|talk]]) 1:35 pm, 22 August 2014, Friday (1 month, 16 days ago) (UTC-4)
(All false statements on Bgwhite's part, BTW, other than that I did refer to certain editors as "MOS Nazis", for which I later substituted "schoolmarmish know-it-alls" or something like that.) Now, does that really comport with UNINVOLVED's criterion, which reads
:''One important caveat is that an administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, or whose prior involvements are minor or obvious edits which do not speak to bias,''
--? Hardly. Bgwhite lost his temper, repeatedly, and still allowed himself to act on his anger in an administrator's capacity. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 01:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

::Well then, I will step in here like a schoolmarmish know-it-all, and say that I stand by what I said earlier, that the block stepped up to the line of "involved" without quite crossing over it, and that Bgwhite should consider himself involved for the future. And beyond doubt, EEng has acted on his own anger as well. Which isn't worth it. Peace. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:52, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
:::Excuse me? An admin who says to an editor "You do not like anything about [this administrator's pet project]. You've told us to fuck off. You've called us MOS Nazis" is an "administrator who has interacted with an editor or topic area purely in an administrative role, or whose prior involvements are minor or obvious edits which do not speak to bias"? Again, you must be joking. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 00:43, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
::::You and I both have better things to do than to dwell on this, but when you have called other editors MOS Nazis, even if it is later changed to something else, you should drop it for your own sake. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:12, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
::::::::The greater the extent to which one considers what I said offensive (I actually don't, per Mel Brooks) the more obvious is the INVOLVED aspect. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 23:43, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, EEng, just imagine it's [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiryTUCtLNA Springtime]!! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:30, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
::::::I think we can all agree that Mel Brooks ''was'' joking. Life is too short to stay angry. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, so if ''Mel Brooks'' says it, then it's OK. Tryptocrite! [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 23:43, 20 October 2014 (UTC) <small>Can I be blocked for calling someone a Tryptocrite?</small>
::::::::Well, it's better than calling me Typofish. Early in my editing career, I had a troll who insisted on calling me that. The troll is gone, and I'm still here, and it's always better to keep one's editing on the happy side. [[Lloyd Bentsen|I knew Mel Brooks, and editor, you're no Mel Brooks!]] --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:03, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::<small>I'm your biggest [[Tryptophan|fan]]. And I'm just a hopeless [[Tuna|punny fish]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC) </small>

==Without doubt one of the lamest edit wars ever==
=== NPA ===
Please don't make a personal attack in an edit summary as you did at [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Did_you_know&curid=1659619&diff=635254536&oldid=635243908 Wikipedia:Did you know]]. Dispute resolution is made that much more difficult. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 16:29, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
:Oh, please. If he can't take it he shouldn't be dishing it out [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=635231000][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=635239678]. This guy's always angry. There's no dispute here, just his venting, so there's no dispute resolution to be made more difficult. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 17:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
::It'd be best if you started a thread at the DYK talk page rather than conduct this petty feud via edit summaries. But you both already knew that. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:04, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::You having the most experience in the petty feud quarter, of course. Actaully, I was going to ask you to take over for me, since you and Bloom are always entertaining to watch. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 21:12, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::Bravo. I've turned over a new leaf, i.e. not arguing the toss with those who will never get it, plenty of them around. But the initial advice stands, start a thread rather than attempt a puerile debate via edit summaries. That way we'll get it all out in the open and neither of you will need to feel anxious or upset. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:17, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::::I ''had'' noticed you were less of a curmudgeon lately. Keep up the good work. There's nothing to debate, as BMS has made the needed fix, Bloom's incomprehension notwithstanding. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 21:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::::I had also noticed, in that same period, that you had taken up the role of being the local asshat;) Keep up the good work! [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:34, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::Yours are big shoes to fill, but I'm doing my best. It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 21:38, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::Great, now archive your talk page. It's as bloated as most of the chat at the Reference Desk or the DYK talkpage. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 22:01, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::Love me, love my bloated talk page. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 22:25, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::"Aquarius! and my name is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZklwTGZutc EEng]!" .... "bloat, bloat on"..... [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:29, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?diff=631976933#Can_I_add_this_back_now.3F] [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 03:09, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::<small>It's [[Aquarius Casino Resort|Aquarius]], you numbskull, not [[Fountains of Wayne|Aquaria]]! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:55, 25 November 2014 (UTC) </small>
:::" Gladiators.... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDSkX1MXFNk READY]!!" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:24, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

===November 2014===
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|left|alt=|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Template:Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes]]. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus-building in talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[Wikipedia:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]] rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.<br/>
Please be particularly aware that [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|Wikipedia's policy on edit warring]] states:
# '''Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made'''.
# '''Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.'''
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. You can post a request for help at an [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. If you engage in an edit war, you '''may be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing.'''<!-- Template:uw-ew -->
—[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 21:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:It's more convincing when the person warning about "edit warring" isn't one of those doing the reverting. You're obviously angry about other things. [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=635231000][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=635239678] [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 21:50, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::What a load of bollocks. Don't feed it. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:58, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::<small>"I didn't get where I am today by telling people they might get [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drlPbIWAz-E blocked from editing]!" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC) </small>

===Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion===
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—[[User:Bloom6132|Bloom6132]] ([[User talk:Bloom6132|talk]]) 22:06, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

=== November 2014 ===
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''24 hours''' for [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit warring]] and violating the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], as you did at [[:Template:Did you know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. However, you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first.<p>During a dispute, you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] and seek [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[Wikipedia:Page protection|page protection]]. &nbsp;[[User:Jackmcbarn|Jackmcbarn]] ([[User talk:Jackmcbarn|talk]]) 23:09, 25 November 2014 (UTC)</p></div><!-- Template:uw-3block -->
:See [https://wiki.riteme.site/?title=Template:Did_you_know/Queue/LocalUpdateTimes&offset=20141126050000&limit=7&action=history]] for what all this is about. As with earlier incidents recently (I seem to be making a habit of this [http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:EEng#Thin-skinned_admin_blocks_for_criticism_of_himself.21]]) I'm pleased and gratified to be blocked at the behest of someone so transparently angry [http://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=635231000]. Hopefully this will allow him to cool down. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 23:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::EEng, the best thing I can think of is that a very long time ago, an unruly landlord took exception to the music the band I was in were playing, and at the end of the gig told us to not come back while turning a blind eye to a couple of drunks hurling our equipment out into the street, nearly causing injury due to a [[bass drum]] flying through the air. When 3RR wars break out, think of tales like that and remind yourself "it could be worse". Happy holidays. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 14:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
::Either that, or try and get your own drunken [[Drum magazine|bass-drum hurling]] in first. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:55, 26 November 2014 (UTC) <small> grrrr, a measly 24 hours! ... doesn't even give us enough time do undo all your dodgey [[Phinius Gage|Huck Phinn]] edits. </small>
:::But whatever you do, please [[kick the cat effect|please don't kick the cat]]. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 15:42, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
::::<small>Although you can get [[Cognitive analytic therapy|therapy]] if you do. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:54, 26 November 2014 (UTC) </small>
:::::I continue to be astonished that this page seems worth watching to so many people. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 04:08, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

=== Friendly suggestion ===

I suggest you revert [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FEdit_warring&diff=635713150&oldid=635709634 this edit]. The comment is off-topic there and makes you look petty. I don't think it contributes to a good working climate, either between the two of you, or in general. --[[User:Stephan Schulz|Stephan Schulz]] ([[User talk:Stephan Schulz|talk]]) 02:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:I appreciate the suggestion, but decline. I'm not embarrassed to be blocked at the behest of someone like that, but I prefer that the context be on the record. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 03:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

==Pearls before swine==
Too true. Oh well, there's lots of other [[Fish hook|hooks]] in the sea. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 18:44, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
:Like I said somewhere else, it just goes to show that hookers aren't appreciated, despite providing a much-in-demand service. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 21:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
::[http://stats.grok.se/en/201501/Death_of_Barbara_Precht Just deserts?] [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 11:53, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

== ANI Notice ==
[[File:Cucking stool.png|thumb|upright=1.3|Today is "National shit on EEng from a great height day". Please bring your rotten tomatoes and [[User:Darwinbish/insultspout|automated insult generators]]. Thankyou. <small>Image courtesy of {{u|Ritchie333}}</small>]]
[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you.

* Be nice. I removed a significant amount of your verbage that had nothing to do with the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seth Andrews|AFD]]. If you can't be civil, don't speak up at all. <small>[[User:Seicer|<font color="#CC0000">seicer</font>]] &#x007C; [[User_talk:Seicer|<font color="#669900">talk</font>]] &#x007C; [[Special:Contributions/Seicer|<font color="#669900">contribs</font>]]</small> 17:52, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

:: I'm not sure that referring to EEng's edits as [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FSeth_Andrews&diff=642483434&oldid=642482913 crap] is going to get the necessary result. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 19:22, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
:::How prescient of you (see below). In the event, it apparently didn't. So what do you think -- should I file the ritual futile unblock request? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 22:14, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' temporarily from editing for [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|abuse of editing privileges]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. However, you should read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. </div><!-- Template:uw-block -->
:::-- Block performed by [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?limit=500&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Seicer&year=2015&month=1 the semi-retired drop-in admin civility enforcer].
*If you'll specify just ''why'' you blocked me, I'll consult my glittering salon of talkpage stalkers for advice on whether I should file the ritual futile appeal. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 22:14, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
ked me, I'll consult my glittering salon of talkpage stalkers for advice on whether I should file the ritual futile appeal. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 22:14, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
:Well, at least you didn't get a [http://thetangential.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/perm.jpg perm], dearie. [[Beauty salon|Martine's Mobile Hair Vans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

{{ping|Drmies}}, {{ping|User:Yngvadottir}} - I've just had a GA review torpedoed as a result of EEng's block, I don't suppose you've be awfully kind like you were to the Best Known For IP and consider "time served" would you? EEng, I think you've made your point in the AfD (as have I) and we should both leave it alone. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

== ANI ==

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic [[Potentially Polemic Userbox]]. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. --[[User:Mr. Guye|Mr. Guye]] ([[User talk:Mr. Guye|talk]]) 00:06, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

:EEng, I'm saying this as one friend to another - leave ANI alone. Rubbing {{u|Drmies}} up the wrong way is likely to result in a block, possibly an indefinite one. Now, don't take that as meaning I support or want you to be blocked - I don't! But the peanut gallery at ANI generally don't tend to evaluate the pros and cons of an editor, and once you've been dragged there a few times and blocked, it's easy for said peanut gallery to think "[[WP:NOTHERE|he's not here to write an encyclopedia]]" and break out the banhammers. Please, just stick to articles and DYKs - whatever other disagreements we've had recently I can honestly say your work at DYK is a ''good thing'' and very much appreciated for keeping the quality of the main page upheld. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 12:51, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Oh, I doubt that anyone is going to blocked for rubbing ''me'' the wrong way, and I'm not going to block for it. And Ritchie, it wasn't just the peanut gallery, if that's what those folks were: ANI, as I feel I have to explain constantly, is not a forum--and so, EEng, it doesn't matter whether something takes three hours or not. It's consensus plus an admin's judgment, and in this case the admin is me. Few people dislike the forumy peanuty chatter at ANI more than I do--but I hope that there's at least one person in the room who understands that the constant reopening of threads and the persistent shit-smearing in that discussion is, in general and in the long run, what makes ANI the barrel o' crap it is. So, EEng, you made a comment, I (and a couple of others) thought it violated guidelines for talk page behavior, I removed it--and really that's all there is to it. I got no problem with you, and you can complain as much as you like as long as it's not too disruptive. Also, I don't work for Harvard either--does that help? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 14:55, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::::What, I should just sit around while ol' BGwhite just makes up stuff up (e.g. that I work for Harvard)? I understand what you're saying, but I feel the best thing you can do (for me, for you, and for WP) is to speak up yourself and say what you think. These people are out of control.
::::Thanks for the complements re DYK. I'm not mad at you re GA, but I do think you misunderstand what the standard is meant to be there, along with most everyone else at GA, which is why it seems few quality editors care about GA status for articles anymore -- articles get GA status for conforming to very cramped ideas of what articles should look (not stated in the GACR, though) with little regard for whether they're anything anyone would actually care to read. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 13:47, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::Please accept this charming complimentary [http://www.promo-wholesale.com/Upfiles/Prod_m/The-Classic-Honey-Peanuts-Box_20090774925.jpg box of peanuts], kindly donated by this season's [http://www.bravebosom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/peanut-gallery.jpg gallery sponsor]. Enjoy! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
[[File:1933-may-10-berlin-book-burning.JPG|thumb|right|upright=0.8|First they came for the [[No U-turn syndrome|
userboxes]]...]]
:::Your contribution to the day's events is of course most welcome. As mentioned to Ritchie above, though, speaking up at the venue is important too almost as important. At heart this intolerance of criticism is a serious threat to the project. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 13:47, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
::::"I had one of them [[polecat|poleminks]] once, but it [[Peanut allergy|died]]." [[Pine marten|PineMartin123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:02, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I think we'll just have to put Widener behind us, but on the general principle I am in pretty much agreement with your views on GAs; on more than a few occasions (eg: [[Talk:1988–94 British broadcasting voice restrictions/GA1]]) I have passed a GA with a comment like "well we've got issues with x, y and z but they're not part of the GA criteria so I'm passing anyway". IMHO the following are '''not''' required to pass GA : infoboxes, templates, categories, URLs for print sources that happen to be online, non-free images, audio files, an inline source at the end of each paragraph, links to other articles, any external links .... I could go on.

Even so, I would say this : although you generally have free reign to run your talk page as you see fit, you don't [[WP:OWN]] it. [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Don%27t_throw_your_toys_out_of_the_pram&diff=next&oldid=510902479 Not everyone appreciates my sense of humour either], but arguing about it isn't a particularly productive use of your time. In this instance an admin has [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&diff=645844782&oldid=645833456 implemented consensus from ANI to not include something on your user page] and while you didn't directly revert, you have effectively [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&diff=645884101&oldid=645844782 stuck two fingers up at it]. I think we'll draw a line under this conversation now and hope it goes away, because all it takes is one cheesed off admin to look at it and you'll be in trouble. Let's hope Martin can fatally wound the dispute with some sarcasm before we can finally kill it off with irony. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 15:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
:<small>Did someone mention [[Another Brick in the Wall|star chasms]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:12, 6 February 2015 (UTC) </small>
::<small>I dare you to change the lead to "Another Brick in the Wall comprises of three songs". [[Jules Winnfield|I double dare you]]. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 15:25, 6 February 2015 (UTC)</small>
:::<small>[[Careful with That Axe, Eugene|ouch!]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)</small>
Maybe you could get me one of those [[Harvard Crimson|shirts]] at discount rate, EEng? I was thinking of [[MythBusters (2007 season)#Episode 85 – "Red Rag to a Bull"|getting involved]] at ANI. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:00, 6 February 2015 (UTC) <"chortle">
:This sounds [[Talk:Widener Library/GA2|suspiciously like a bribe]]. I am incorruptible. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 22:17, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

== Drive by thank you.... ==

...your User Page is quite entertaining! Thank you for the invite. [[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|20px|^_^]] <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"><sup>Consult Agent 99</sup></font>]] 14:06, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you. Please drop by frequently for more Tales from the Wikicrypt! [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 04:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
::{{tps}} <---I have graduated. <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font><font color="gold">&#9775;</font>[[User talk:Atsme|<font color="green"><sup>Consult</sup></font>]] 01:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I haven't checked out your userpage in a long while, but I laughed so hard (I particularly liked the "head in the sand" picture) I nearly snorted coffee out of my nose. <small>PS: I would like to apologise for [[User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 22#Adminship|being tempted to go to the dark side]]</small>.... [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 12:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
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::*Agree, great comments... {{smiley|5}}[[User:Hafspajen|Hafspajen]] ([[User talk:Hafspajen|talk]]) 20:09, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I don't care if others appreciate [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Serlo_(abbot_of_Cirencester)&diff=654772181&oldid=654768126 your humor] or not. I do! Your posts give me many a laugh. And thanks for your many clever emendations to hooks in the preps, [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know/Preparation_area_4&diff=654766513&oldid=654764411 like this one]. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 22:56, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I lost track of the number of times you literally made me laugh out loud while reading your comments. The latest being [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Drmies&diff=657180465&oldid=657179782 this] - [[User:NQ|'''NQ''']] [[User talk:NQ|<small>(talk)</small>]] 20:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
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:You are too kind. Have you visited [[User:EEng#saddest|the funnest place in the saddest place on earth]] recently? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 12:56, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

== A barnstar! ==

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|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[File:Barnstar of Humour.svg|100px]]|[[File:Barnstar of Humour3.png|100px]]}}

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For your [[User:EEng|medicine]] against chronic wikidespair.<ref group="note">Consult your doctor before trying this medicine. Symptoms include: a systemic allergic reaction, a worsening of withdrawal symptoms for not placing {{tlx|ANI-notice}} in months, and [[Jesus and the woman caught in adultery|casting]] the [[WP:ANI|first stone]].</ref>

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==Where have you been lately?==
I know they say no one's indispensable, but in the case of catchy hooks, you have been the only one doing anything about it. Where have you been lately? I really felt I had nothing but "blah" to work with while assembling Preps 3 and 4 last night. The part about hooks being "hooky" should be written in the rules in blood! [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 09:12, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
:Sorry, beating back the philistine forces of Professional Wikiism and Stultified Solemn Dignity [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=664404232#The_use_of_.27funny.27_misleading_hooks] has left little time for actual hooking. But I did manage to get in [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=664402886&oldid=664186894]
::''... that [[Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant|ISIS]] may have killed '''[[Zenobia (bird)|an ibis]]'''?''
:[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 11:51, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

== Enough ==

I will probably catch hell for this, but my patience has run out. Will you please '''stop''' making personal attacks against {{u|The Rambling Man}} on [[WT:DYK]] and anywhere else. I'm dead against blocking established contributors, but other admins are not, as you well know. Attacks don't help your argument, it just means people either think the other party is right or ignore the conversation. Please, do something else. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:14, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
:Are you fucking kidding? Where were you yesterday when he said I "continually accept, even promote, the mediocre"? Making accusations requires evidence, which he has twice coyly refused to give. He's been insulting everyone at DYK on a daily basis now for months, and it's time someone bells the cat. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 10:19, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
::Is that like [[Fritz the Cat]], but with a bigger [[James R. Clapper|clapper]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC) <small> I'm all in favour of the mediocre, as it makes ny rubbish look good.</small>
::::What am I doing to the cat? [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsaR3HIifHY] [[User:Belle|Belle]] ([[User talk:Belle|talk]]) 10:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, Belle, for some welcome comic relief. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 11:04, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
:::To be fair, I am not happy about TRM referring to DYK as "horseshit" either, but when I look at the arguments presented, his are geared more towards content, and yours seem more geared towards him as a person. Why can't you just get along? I see {{u|Bencherlite}} has presented a pretty good summary of how to quell this dispute, and I would take that good advice at face value. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
::::No, he hasn't. He's giving TRM carte blanche to continue his constant denigration of other editors, now including me directly. As I explain here [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&diff=prev&oldid=666467745] TRM's a liar who says whatever pops into his head. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 10:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::[[File:Cart Mule.JPG|thumb|150px|A typical [[Blanche DuBois|cart blanche]] (note use of "soaked head").]]
Did you know ... “that the [[Sacred cow (idiom)|cart blanche]] was invented by supermarket entrepreneur and inventor of the shopping cart [[Sylvan Goldman]].?” [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC) <small> I had a cart blanche once, but it wouldn’t go in a [[Bandwagon effect|straight line]]. </small>

{{clear}}
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[Image:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''31 hours''' for persistent [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive editing]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by first reading the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. &nbsp;[[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]</sup> 07:22, 12 June 2015 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-vblock -->
:You were already warned above. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]</sup> 07:24, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks, drive-by-admin-without-a-clue! [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 02:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::That may be, but given that calling people liars is covered by NPA, if someone continually does it after being asked to stop, they generally end up blocked. Believe me, I know how you feel. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 03:03, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::::Well, repeatedly referring to someone's "continual acceptance, even promotion, of the mediocre" [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=666395166], with the clear implication that I'm doing it on purpose in contravention of policy-- and just to be clear, I'm neither doing in on purpose, nor doing it ''at all'' (I don't do DYK reviews nor put prep sets together) -- then refusing to back that statement up, is also a personal attack, but none of the drive-by admins give a shit about that. (It's worth noting, BTW, that none of the admins who regularly hang out at DYK -- all of whom were uninvolved, cared to block.) In case you missed it, check this [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=666467745] out to see who's actually working to improve quality at DYK, and who's just complaining. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 03:19, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::This isn't any drive-by; I read the discussions and have WT:DYK on my watchlist (I used to comment there often). You'll also note that I only blocked after the last spat, which none of the other admins saw. If you have a problem with this block, please request an unblock and/or go to ANI—I am always happy to bring any actions I take as an administrator in front of a wider forum. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]</sup> 03:31, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, right, like anyone in his right mind would submit an unblock request or take it to ANI -- not that I give a shit about a 31-hour block, or any block like this really. They're monuments to the dysfunction of the admin system.
::::::But how about if I just ask you: if you read the thread, how do you see this [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=666467745] fitting into the picture? Do you think it's OK for an editor (an admin at that) to go around saying things like that (and he's been saying it about me for almost a year) with impunity? See, I don't give a shit about being blocked, but I ''do'' give a shit about aspersions about my editing, competency, and adherence to policy and guidelines. So again, please explain how what I said at that diff figured into your decision to block.
::::::And while you're at it, given that you felt block(s) were needed (and they weren't -- TRM and I are perfectly capable of taking care of ourselves), please complete [[User_talk:The_Rambling_Man/Archive_48#DYK|your sentence addressed to TRM here]] --
:::::::''I seriously debated blocking you as well for blatant baiting.''
::::::-- using the word ''but'', as in --
:::::::''I seriously debated blocking you as well for blatant baiting, but I didn't because _______________________.''
::::::You fill in the blank, please. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 03:58, 13 June 2015 (UTC) P.S. The ''[name of impressive laboratory device]'' is warmed up now, so I'll be gone until sometime tomorrow -- take your time.
:::::::(a) Only one person was making personal attacks. (b) You had been warned. I actually came here to warn you, and blocked only after I saw this section. I'm done engaging here. [[User:The ed17|Ed]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]]&nbsp;[[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]</sup> 04:16, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::And so, having ignored both questions, the drive-by admin declares the discussion closed and drives on. So much for [[WP:ADMINACCT]]:
:::::::::::::''Administrators are expected to respond promptly and civilly to queries about their Wikipedia-related conduct and administrator actions and to justify them when needed.''
::::::::::::[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 15:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::::Only blocking one party in this playground squabble seems a bit unbalanced. I think I'd personally take "continual acceptance, even promotion, of the mediocre" as a personal attack. As EEng points out he doesn't "do DYK reviews nor put prep sets together". It's a shame that Old Rambler hadn't "done engaging" a lot sooner too. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:35, 13 June 2015 (UTC) p.s. I thought it was EEng's hopelessly juvenile "orgasm" comment that tipped the balance and led you to block him for "disruptive editing"?
:::::::::Thanks, Martin. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 15:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC) <small>I thought after [[User:EEng#Museum_of_Titulary_Deflation|"pointedly titular"]] the sky was the limit.</small>
*I am unblocking based on "time served", on the T:DYK thread being hatted, and on TRM asserting on my talk that he will not continue the feud, shrugging it off as "a clash of egos". Since we can't leave people blocked when the cause of disruption goes away, I'm doing it now. ''There now follows a choice of viewing. On BBC ANI, a discussion on censorship between [[Derek Hart]], the [[Bishop of Woolwich]] and a [[Graham Chapman|nude man]], and on BBC Eeng, [http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode17.htm me telling you this]. And now....'' [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:01, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::I appreciate the gesture, Ritchie, but I'd rather that ''during'' the dispute you'd taken the time to see what Martin sees so clearly above: TRM attacked me repeatedly (and falsely) with impunity, and when I finally told him to shove it up his ass, ''I'' got blocked. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 15:57, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::"Cut to a [[Wikipedia:Administrators|group of Gumbys]], all with rolled-up trousers and knotted handkerchiefs on their heads, attempting to shout in unison and failing miserably." ... what are you suggesting?? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:10, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::<small>Well I often ''do'' think "My brain hurts" when reading ANI.... [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)</small>

== Barnstar! ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For your wit, constructive sarcasm and edgy humor, your perspective and contributions, sometimes contentious but worth it. I could bet serious money that your wiki-adventures here may someday be the start of a novel novel.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 11:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
|}
::::::... or possibly a lawsuit. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:26, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
:Well, hello there, stranger. Where have you been? Perhaps you'll enjoy my latest effort, [[Charles R. Apted]]. Will you be visiting Cambridge anytime soon? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 02:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::Yes, I might try and drop in this year, especially as there are two amazing [https://www.cambridgelivetrust.co.uk/folk-festival/news/new-acts-added-2015-line Joans], not to mention the [[Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain]] and [[Show of Hands|these guys]], on the bill [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:41, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Martin, I was talking to Tom's Ulcer, not you. That's what the overindenting is for, remember??? Geesh. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 15:33, 13 June 2015 (UTC) <small>But you're welcome too.</small>
:::Sooner or later I will probably visit Cambridge and perhaps we can arrange a get-together. Hope you are doing fine. I'll check out Charles R. Apted.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 09:50, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::::::::<small>"Does my overindent look big in this?" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:36, 13 June 2015 (UTC) </small>

== Barnstar of Good Humor ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Here, add another to your collection. You had me shaking. {{Diff|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carnism (3rd nomination)|670722255|670713224}} ~ <b>[[User:BU Rob13|Rob]]</b><sup>[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 20:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
|}

:Seconded—although, to be fair, it seems our colleague's {{diff|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carnism (3rd nomination)|670626602|prev|primary concern}} was actually that the article would lead to sweeping bans on meat consumption, and that incensed meat lovers, driven savage by frustrated bloodlust, would seek gory revenge at health food stores. [[User:FourViolas|FourViolas]] ([[User talk:FourViolas|talk]]) 20:55, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, you had me [[Apoplexy|shaking]] as well, EEngy, having to drag myself all the way [[Journey to the Center of the Earth|down here again]]. Still, the lighting is nice and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dy2tuF915E subdued], isn't it. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:34, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
0:03, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

== I don't even know what to put here, I'm laughing too hard ==

I will admit that I stand with [[User:Softlavender]]. You're talk page is hilarious! Well done at getting into so many hilarious scenarios and being able to be both serious and humorous as needed!
You deserve every single one of these that you get:
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | message [[User:Drcrazy102|Dr Crazy 102]] ([[User talk:Drcrazy102|talk]]) 10:30, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
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[[User:Drcrazy102|Dr Crazy 102]] ([[User talk:Drcrazy102|talk]]) 10:31, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

:Agreed. EEng, you may be abrasive at times but your humor makes up for that :) <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font><font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 14:52, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
::Abrasive? '''''<big>ABRASIVE???</big>''''' I'll show you abrasive, '''''{{User:RexxS/Shakespearean insults|1=thou}}'''''. <small>[//wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&action=purge#I_don.27t_even_know_what_to_put_here.2C_I.27m_laughing_too_hard Click here for fresh abrasions].</small> [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 03:29, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

==HeeHee==
Hello E. I got a chuckle out of [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=676867268&oldid=676866089 this] though I am not sure if that will be the reaction of everyone. Should someone start editing from the great beyond I think a new SPI report (that would be a spookpuppet investigation) would need to be opened. Cheers. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 17:35, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
:I specialize in quips that not everyone thinks are funny. It's kind of an art. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 20:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
::Perhaps we need a Biography of Undead Persons Noticeboard. Show some respect you zombiephobes! [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 06:35, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:::DYK that ... [[Shaun of the Dead|Jimbo]] recently offered to publicly provide his list of [[Zombie Nation (film)|"toxic" editors that should be "shown the door"]]?? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:34, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
::::''[[Did I tell you to click here? No I didn't. You silly sod, if I put you in a room with a button marked "DO NOT PRESS" what would you do?|You've got red on you, Martin]]'' [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:23, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::Do they have this problem at other popular [[Reddit|websites]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 10:50, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:::::''Sooooo'' tempted to type something on that page and have Ritchie explain his way out of that (yes, fingers would be pointed straight at him when queried). [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 12:24, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== Looking ahead ==

[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=676959689 This] made me laugh out loud. I volunteer to write those policies. [[User:SlimVirgin|Sarah]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 17:25, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:Don't worry, soon someone will stop by to scold me for it. And if not for that one, then certainly for this one [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=676947440]. Don't forget to stop by [[User:EEng#allegory|the museums]] while you're here. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 17:40, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

== still at it, I see ==

Just came across [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Civility&diff=prev&oldid=693456168 this perverse little brushoff]. Who do you think you are, trying to apply logic and common sense to such a sweeping emotional issue? (I was reminded of [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=645884722&oldid=645876282 this classic].) —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 23:31, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. The memory of appreciative comments from my glittering salon of {{tps}}s will be a great comfort as the anti-bullying bullies apply the electrodes to my genitals. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 00:28, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, EEng I think we'd all value a little more <s>civiity</s> bullying [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1leDAwjtto consistency] around here, if you don't mind! [[User:Martinevans123|MarjoryManners123]] ([[Rude Dog|talk]]) 23:48, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
::What's civiity? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 23:56, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
:Hmm, yes it was rather perverse. EEng, It seems I missed the sarcasm, but under the circumstances it wasn't appropriate or appreciated. [[WP:CIV|Article talk pages should be, on the whole, considered to be professional workspaces]], although it seems you will disagree with me on that no matter what policy says. I hope that no electrodes are going to be applied to anyone, anywhere. {{Smiley2|shocked}} [[User:Burninthruthesky|Burninthruthesky]] ([[User talk:Burninthruthesky|talk]]) 08:56, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
::Future tyrants always forswear the electrodes until they gain power. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 12:15, 3 December 2015 (UTC) p.s. What sarcasm?
:::"And how do you like your [[Bully Beef and Chips|bullying]], [[Young Bond|Master Bond]], shaken but not [[Shaken, not stirred|shit stirred]]?" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:16, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

== Do not pass go ==

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[[File:Edit war star.png|left|88px|While this looks suspiciously like a barnstar, it's ''actually'' a prison tattoo.]]
[[File:Macaca fuscata juvenile yawning.jpg|right|125px|Once you've seen one content dispute, you've seen 'em all!]]
<big>'''You've won a free trip to WikiJail!'''</big>
<br />
The discussion at [[WT:CIVILITY]] is hilariously ironic. You being (or being perceived as being) uncivil, then getting uncivil templates on your talk page because of it. <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font><font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 00:04, 10 December 2015 (UTC)</div>
:Watch it, or after the CivRev ([[Newspeak|Civility Revolution]]) you'll get the electrodes [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=693570937]. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 05:50, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
::If you faked WikiAnemia and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5xHXevVbhg WikiFainted] unexpectedly, the WikiJailers might not WikiArrestYou. <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font><font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 04:06, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

== Bodice-Rippers, again ==

Looks like {{u|DYKUpdateBot}} and {{u|BattyBot}} can't agree on where to put a DYK talk banner [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dublin_Castle,_Camden&diff=next&oldid=647025211]. Do you think the pair of them would make a good [[User:EEng#Museum of Computer Porn|Bodice-Ripper]]? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Ritchie333}} BattyBot uses [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/General_fixes#Talk_page_general_fixes|AWB's talk page general fixes]], which follows [[WP:TALKLEAD]]. [[User:GoingBatty|GoingBatty]] ([[User talk:GoingBatty|talk]]) 17:29, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
::I just did a random sample of my DYK noms ([[Talk:A4061 road|uno]], [[Talk:Richard Wright (musician)|dos]], [[Talk:Terraced houses in the United Kingdom|tres]]) and all three have the DYK banner at the bottom. It's more that I'm amused when bots can't agree amongst themselves what to do ;-) [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
:::It's even more amusing when [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Green-thighed_parrot&offset=20090904193308&limit=37&action=history one bot can't agree with itself what to do]. Too bad it wasn't an adminbot, so it could've repeatedly blocked and unblocked itself for edit warring with itself. [[User:Mandarax|<span style="color:green">M<small>AN</small>d<small>ARAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;<span style="color:blue">•</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandarax|<span style="color:#999900"><small>XAЯA</small>b<small>ИA</small>M</span>]] 22:46, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

==[[WP:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive277#Review_of_EEng.27s_indefinite_block|"Hands-down the worst block I've seen in my time on Wikipedia, and I've seen some whoppers"]]==
{{main|WP:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive277#Review_of_EEng.27s_indefinite_block}}
::::<small>Wow, maybe you deserve a fitting [[Martyrs' Lane|memorial]]?? [[User:Martinevans123|Nave Mart Sin 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:35, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::In [[Special:Diff/698979415|this edit]] I was going to request that you or {{U|Hafspajen}} find an image of a rescued martyr indignantly demanding to be cast back into the flames (or whatever), but I got distracted. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 20:50, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::: ... "You want [[Lawrence of Rome|Drmies bacon fries]]<sup>©</sup> with that??" [[User:Martinevans123|Smear Vat Inn 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:55, 15 January 2016 (UTC) </small>

===January 2016===

<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[File:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon]] You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' '''[[Wikipedia:Indefinite block|indefinitely]]''' from editing for [[WP:Disruptive editing|abuse of editing privileges]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[WP:Appealing a block|appeal this block]] by first reading the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. </div><!-- Template:uw-blockindef --> [[User:Nakon|<span style="color:#C50;">'''Nakon'''</span>]] 04:31, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

*Words fail. When you unblock me, please make sure your entry in the block log makes clear the nature of your original action in instituting the block; the words "outrageous", "tone-deaf", "absurd", "ridiculous", and "incompetent" would all be good choices. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 06:40, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:P.S. And don't forget to restore my user and talk pages to their prior state. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 06:47, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
{{collapse top|title=Unhide for comments from a clueless admin -- see [[WP:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive277#Review_of_EEng.27s_indefinite_block]] }}
::A 48 hour block would have been appropriate for the shitty attitude you have been laying down at ANI. While it may be fun and jokes you were getting into topics that did not involve you and grinding your axe. You were adding heat to situations that did not need heat added to them. The indef was over the top, but your behaviour was not so innocent either. The block was excessive but did not occur in a vacuum. Really if a reasonable length block has been made it would have stuck, so don't act too self-righteous. [[User talk:HighInBC|<b style="color:LightCoral">HighInBC</b>]] 16:17, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

:::{{U|HighInBC}}: Pardon me, but what in the ''world'' are you talking about? "Grinding axe" -- huh? Here's every ANI post I made in the week before the block. Which ones are in any way inappropriate?
:::*(a) [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=698784589]
:::*(b) [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=698841999]
:::*(c) [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=698930271]
:::*(d) [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=698932071]
:::If you're one of these people who thinks that humor doesn't have a useful purpose, including (or even especially) in difficult situations, then please add yourself to the list of admins whose experience of the world is sufficiently limited that you should probably leave behavioral blocks, other than obvious vandalism, to those with a broader perspective and more social clue. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 16:46, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

::::I don't accept your false dichotomy. The fact is you are going to topics that don't involve you and taking up space commenting on things that in no way help the situations. I don't think that thinking this is annoying and unhelpful means I don't think humour has a useful purpose. Your humour is taking the form of telling people off. If I have made your "list of admins" that is too bad, but perhaps consider that your behaviour is also a factor. [[User talk:HighInBC|<b style="color:LightCoral">HighInBC</b>]] 16:57, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{U|HighInBC}}: Again: huh? Of the three posts above, one was an image adding harmless comic relief to the otherwise dreary ANI landscape, and the other three were absolutely serious comments on what was going on (though (d) ''also'' carried my notorious ribbing for Drmies). So false dichotomy or not, I must insist that you answer: which of those justified my being blocked? That's a very serious charge, so either put up or shut up. Or do you, like Nakon, just shoot from the hip, and stonewall when called to account? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 17:59, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::::::I think a trout may have been sufficient. I know you are having trouble seeing your comments as disruptive, not sure how I can convince you otherwise. [[User talk:HighInBC|<b style="color:LightCoral">HighInBC</b>]] 18:11, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Indeed, or maybe a small supply of trouts. EEng is often frustrating and exasperating. But I am pretty sure that we dont have a policy that makes that in itself a cause for an indefinite block.[[User:Maunus|·maunus]] · [[User talk:Maunus|snunɐɯ·]] 18:29, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Wow [[User:Maunus|·maunus]], why not go for the whole [[Aquaculture of salmonids|farm]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Sure, knock yourself out. ;) [[User:Maunus|·maunus]] · [[User talk:Maunus|snunɐɯ·]] 19:35, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::<small>Haha. That's so appropriate. But thanks [[Mr. Burns|·maunus]] - I see you've trimmed back and gone for the [[One Fish, Two Fish, Blowfish, Blue Fish|lower calorie option]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:28, 9 January 2016 (UTC) </small>
{{od|::::::}}
{{U|HighInBC}}: Oh, I see. First you cast this as "a difference of opinion on what justifies an indef block" [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=698948262]. When that turned out to be ridiculous, you wanted 48 hours. Now it's a trout. Have you no idea how corrosive to the project are this kind of careless and imperious pronouncements on the fate of us peons?

Yes, I'm having trouble "seeing [my] comments as disruptive", because you've dodged my repeated demands that you say what talking about. And now that Nakon has issued a full (and very gracious) retraction and apology [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=699028186], you're alone in insisting that I did anything wrong ''at all''. <big>'''So you have two choices now: admit you were just shooting your mouth off, or make it obvious you're one of those people who has to always insist he's right, no matter what.'''</big> (I put that last bit in big-bold so that, since you undoubtedly will continue to bob and weave, it will be obvious to everyone, at a glance, what's going on here.) [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 10:45, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
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*You are to be commended for graciously accepting Nakon's apology. Now, that seems like an odd thing to say, but around here, some people are only interested in perpetuating the drama no matter what. [[User:Mandarax|<span style="color:green">M<small>AN</small>d<small>ARAX</small></span>]]&nbsp;<span style="color:blue">•</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandarax|<span style="color:#999900"><small>XAЯA</small>b<small>ИA</small>M</span>]] (a fellow back pain sufferer) 21:17, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

*EEng, it is obvious from HighinBC's comments that he is a prime example of what I have been saying for years about administrators around here. '''Their first rule- Protect their own.''' High's defense of a outrageously bad block which was followed by a pathetic defense that no one but the hardcore administrators will ever defend. What Nakon did is just another example of why administrators are allowed to get away with almost anything whereas we editors get routinely shafted on a regular basis.[[User:WilliamJE|...William]], is the complaint department really on [[User talk:WilliamJE|the roof?]] 16:04, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

::I'm genuinely puzzled by HighinBC's views, because I have always regarded High as someone with good judgment (and I'll refrain from suggesting any relationship between height and cough syrup). I guess it just comes down to the difficulty of assessing humor online. EEng, I hope your back feels better soon. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:21, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Ditto. He used to be pretty [[Chillum (pipe)|chilled out]], din't he? But now he's just "High"? Is one expected to simply [[How High|jump]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:31, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

=== Courtesy notice for Nakon's block review at AN ===

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.<!--Template:AN-notice--> [[User:Dr.K.|<span style="font-weight:600;font-family: arial;color: steelblue;font-size: 1em;">Dr.</span>]] [[User talk:Dr.K.|<span style="font-weight:600;font-family: arial;color: steelblue; font-size: 1em">K.</span>]] 06:15, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks. While you guys are at it, you might take a look at Nakon's reversion ([https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_process&diff=next&oldid=698931439 here]) of my clearly constructive changes (which, while fit subjects for discussion as all edits are, certainly don't deserve a high-handed no-edit-summary trashing). Perhaps this is Nakon's subtle way of underscoring the need for effective mechanisms for recall of heavy-handed admins who, having made essentially no edits in six months [https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Nakon&project=wiki.riteme.site], suddenly appear out of nowhere to throw their weight around in situations they know nothing about, then mysteriously go silent when called to account. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 06:40, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::I've restored the edits to Deletion process. Looks pretty strongly like a rollback by mistake, so I've assumed as such and undone it. —/[[User:Mendaliv|'''M'''<small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 06:58, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:P.S. I fully agree with IJBall in [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=698943985&oldid=698943542 this edit]; I'm happy to remain blocked as long as it take for Nakon to come to his senses. Wikipedia doesn't need me nearly as much as it needs to come to grips with the problem of this kind of admin. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 06:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

::Nice to see you online. I am confident this will be resolved soon enough. Best regards. [[User:Dr.K.|<span style="font-weight:600;font-family: arial;color: steelblue;font-size: 1em;">Dr.</span>]] [[User talk:Dr.K.|<span style="font-weight:600;font-family: arial;color: steelblue; font-size: 1em">K.</span>]] 06:53, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately a cramped ride in a crowded taxi recently left me with a [[Spinal_disc_herniation|herniated disk]]. It hurts like the dickens, so until it's treated on Monday I have to get up every 2-3 hours and walk around to relieve the pressure on the spine.
:::If you look at my block log you'll see I'm quite used to this kind of crap, and I hope it won't sound wrong when I say I wasn't worried for a second about how this would turn out. I appreciate your taking the time to get the ball rolling on clearing things up, and when this is all over please take a few moments to visit [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=698099782 the Museums]. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 07:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Fwiw, I wasn't worried about the long term either, since this case is clearly that of a bad block but, as you say, I simply wanted to get the ball rolling to resolve this as soon as possible given always the on-wiki constraints. Thank you for your kind words EEng and for the invitation to the museums. Very interesting places indeed. :) I wish you a speedy recovery and a Happy New Year! [[User:Dr.K.|<span style="font-weight:600;font-family: arial;color: steelblue;font-size: 1em;">Dr.</span>]] [[User talk:Dr.K.|<span style="font-weight:600;font-family: arial;color: steelblue; font-size: 1em">K.</span>]] 07:20, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
*I have unblocked, as this is clearly an unjustified block and current consensus agrees. Blocking for that reason, without discussion, was not acceptable. Discussion will carry on at AN, I'm sure. [[User:Worm That Turned|<b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">''Worm''</b>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User talk:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>]]) 09:36, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks, though I would have preferred that {{u|Nakon}} clean up his own mess. I assume he'll be restoring my talk page, of course. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 13:31, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I considered leaving you blocked a couple of people suggested (and you agreed), but I refuse to see a bad block stay in place until the blocking admin sees the light. Especially as the blocking admin hadn't posted for 3 hours. If you want to take it further, go ahead, I'll be willing to comment in any forum you bring it to. [[User:Worm That Turned|<b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">''Worm''</b>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User talk:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>]]) 14:37, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
*One more comment, and then I'm going back to suffering horizontally for a few hours instead of vertically... With regard to this comment [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=698947384] by {{U|IJBall}}: Obviously Nakon make a mistake, but it was a mistake no admin should ''ever'', <big>''EVER''</big> be making. Consider the exchange which Nakon cited [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=698937112] as the basis for blocking me:
[[File:MONGO APEMAN.jpg|thumb|right|upright=0.6|{{center|Even though I'm an Arbcom member, I'm just commenting here as an average, {{nobr|everyday editor.}}}}]]
::''Drmies:'' "Next time just post on EEng's talk page. Not only do they know a thing or two about Wikipedia policy, they also have lots of time on their hands."
::''EEng:'' "Drmies, shouldn't you be cabaling with your fellow Arbcom-ers?"
:Next to my comment, I posted the image you see at right. Someone who can't see that Drmies was teasing me, and I was teasing him/her <small>(I'll figure out which someday)</small> back, shouldn't be an admin, much less (as Nakon is) on the OTRS and UTRS teams.

:Add to this the facts that...
::* everyone knows that Drmies is perfectly capable of taking care of himself/herself;
::* Nakon, asked to account for his actions, still failed to see the absurdity of what he'd done, pointing to the completely innocent exchange (quoted above) as justification for the block; and
::* Nakon, by blocking both my email-this-user and my talkpage access, was forcing me to appeal my block through the very UTRS system for which he is one of the gatekeepers...
:...then we have here either grossly poor judgment or heedless arrogance. Take your pick.
:[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 13:31, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
*Hey EEng, sorry I missed the party--that was a bad block and I suppose {{U|Nakon}} knows this by now. FWIW, I enjoyed your comment, as wrong as it was--when you made it I was either doing dishes, singing karaoke, reading Paul Theroux, or sleeping--or all four simultaneously. The secret ArbCom cabal doesn't meet anymore on Fridays (don't tell anyone) in part because of all the young people, like Kirill, GW, Keilana, and DGG; Friday nights it's usually dancing and then Waffle House. I'm obviously not invited to those events. Again, my apologies for that block; may we have many more fringey conversations together. Try not to get a spike through your head. Happy Saturday morning, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 14:49, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::No, I doubt Nakon understands how wrong what he did is (though of course he understands everyone else is ''telling him'' it was wrong). I suspect he rationalizes it as just a minor mistake. You know me well enough to know I don't give a whit, for myself, about being blocked, but the demoralizing effect of this kind of behavior on the rank and file is substantial. You have a forgiving nature, but please consider what I said at AN [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=698979672&oldid=698974917]:
:::'' I don't think it aggrandizes my momentary martyrdom to say that the outcome of this thread will tell us plebians once and for all whether admins are subject to even the most minimal standards of accountability, or can do whatever the fuck they want with no meaningful consequences, ever. Imagine if I'd been a new user{{mdashb}}score another one for editor retention!''
::I, and many others I'm sure, would like to see you take the lead in not letting this end up just another monument to uncontrolled admin misbehavior. If I may suggest you might start by emailing Nakon and making clear to him that he's expected to participate in the AN discussion. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 15:35, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:::I've spent a few hours today looking into Nakon and his actions. He's not a bad admin, he's hard working and a massive benefit to the encyclopedia. It just seems that last night he went... off. I've put detailed explanation of the issues at his talk page - but given his history, unless he comes back and goes off the deep end, I don't believe that anything is going to come out of this. Everyone is allowed to make mistakes, and as far as I can see, this is a one-off mistake. I'll be keeping an eye on what happens and may well have more to say. [[User:Worm That Turned|<b style="text-shadow:0 -1px #DDD,1px 0 #DDD,0 1px #DDD,-1px 0 #DDD; color:#000;">''Worm''</b>]]<sup>TT</sup>([[User talk:Worm That Turned|<b style="color:#060;">talk</b>]]) 15:56, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Thank you Worm. EEng, I have not seen the AN discussion (unless I edited from my phone, in which case I don't know what I did, haha) but I'll have a look. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 16:15, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

*Holy bleep, EEng! I was logged out throughout this entire fiasco, but now that I've seen it, I am appalled at what happened to you. Heck, you've said way worse to me, and I don't have a problem with anything you said to me. There was nothing remotely block-worthy here. At least this particular admin came around to making a genuine apology, which I think does count for something. In any case, your literal pain in the back sounds far worse than the figurative pain in the neck, and at least there was no iron through the skull, so I wish you a rapid recovery, even though you clearly never lacked for a spine! Best wishes, --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:33, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

::Hey, EEng, I hope that your injured back is starting to feel better! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:17, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

=== ''[[Mills of God]]'' ===
Wikipedia is something of a millstone round our necks. After some such tribulation, I started a page about Tennyson's poem and, by coincidence, I notice a burst of activity there, years later. See also ''[[illegitimi non carborundum]]''... [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 10:33, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

:''Though the mills of God grind slowly; Yet they grind exceeding small;''
:''Though with patience He stands waiting, With exactness grinds He all.''

::<small>Does He do [[Grinding (dance)|bump and grind]], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s97Mb1TZqbU too]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC) </small>

===My two cents===
I've been around in Wikipedia for a while now, love EEng's humor, and don't know the particulars of what the current dispute is about, but my two cents is that an ''indefinite block'' is way too much punishment, that we need sharp guys like EEng in Wikipedia if only to help others think, and that EEng does contribute to the encyclopedia. But I haven't examined this subject in depth -- it is my two cent opinion.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 13:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
* Lack of in-depth examination was the problem here, Tomwsulcer. As an ArbCom member I charge more than two cents for my opinion, of course. {{U|Kelapstick}}, what's our going rate? And do we accept gold nuggets and bauxite? [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 14:53, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
** I suppose I could charge more than my two cents for an in-depth examination, but I'd probably fall asleep mid-examination on this one. Good idea to keep me off of ArbCom for the foreseeable future; better yet, we'll pay you ArbCom members in 100% pure bauxite for your judgments.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 18:22, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
{{od}}
Tomwsulcer, are you gonna make that trip to Boston any time soon? [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 18:37, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

:::Sooner or later I'll probably visit Boston again. Right now, I'm promoting my new novel [http://www.amazon.com/Jakks-Journey-Thomas-Sulcer-ebook/dp/B019S88RB8 Jakk's Journey] about, as you may have guessed, a high school boy who builds a spaceship, flies to Betelgeuse, meets sexy aliens, has adventures, and learns how to become a human! Sooner or later Jakk may get a page in Wikipedia.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 22:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

*[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&oldid=698746614#Do_not_pass_go WikiJail!] I told you! Honestly, though, this is like a judge who got annoyed at that guy in the peanut gallery, and gave him a life sentence. <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font><font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 18:45, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
*I have no previous knowledge of Nakon, but I see that he may in fact be [[Nako (Obotrite prince)|an Obotrite leader who flourished 954 – ca. 966]]. Well he's certainly not flourishing now, I'd say. I'm sure it's very easy to react, on the spur of the moment, to comments at AN/I which don't immediately appear to be constructive. But in this case, I think a lot of editors who have been watching from the sidelines, think he may have made what is commonly termed "a mistake". I'm just wondering if he should admit that, or even offer some kind of apology as a result? Or maybe he thinks that admins all "[[Obotrites|reside in a "ringwall" of fortresses]]"? And that whatever mistake one administrator makes can be neatly corrected by the prompt action of a second administrator? It would be nice to know. Just as a detail of medieval Slavic tribal history, of course. [[User:Martinevans123|Remnant Visa 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:41, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::p.s. well I obviously should have checked before I started writing this! He has done the very noble and polite thing and offered an unreserved apology. And that's something that, in general, is rarer than hen's teeth around here. I have great respect for that and I applaud him for his honesty. [[User:Martinevans123|A Tanner Vims 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:56, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
[[File:Woman suffering from pneumonia. Baumgartner, 1929 Wellcome L0074301.jpg|thumb|right|upright=0.5|A contrite admin rues his flu-fogged brain's choice to [[WP:EUI|mix cough syrup with WP]]...]]
*...Wow. Rather odd, sociologically speaking, that a mouse click and a few comments from a rhinovirally impaired Internet user could have caused such consternation among so many. Glad to have you back, EEng, and please don't take it out on your poor fellow invalid; as [[Airman first class|Airman]] [[User:Martinevans123|Vents]] notes, we don't say sorry to our friends when we hurt their feelings as often as we should, and those who do so are greatly to be admired. Pip pip, rest well! [[User:FourViolas|FourViolas]] ([[User talk:FourViolas|talk]]) 02:58, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

===Restored headers and messages===

Hi EEng sorry to see what happened, personally I appreciate your sense of humor. Anyway I've taken the liberty of restoring your page headers, and also all of your old messages have been moved to [[User talk:EEng/Archive 3]]. So your talk page is fixed a bit better anyway. Good luck with things <b style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive;">[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]]</b> 21:24, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:Quick! ... someone get a [[Fort Knox|lock]] on that archive. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:28, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
:[[File:Brighton Centre.JPG|thumb|250px|Something to Brighton up this talk page.]] Welcome to...'''{{Smallcaps|The New EEng Show!}}''' <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font><font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 22:53, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::Well, I guess there's an upside to everything. At least this talk page got archived. Yipee! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:56, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
*Sorry to disappoint, but as most of know I prefer to let it all hang out, so for the moment I've restored everything. However, I promise to do at least some archiving soon, or maybe reorganize into subpages. Not just now, but soon. Thanks to everyone for their marvelous performances in the latest production of [[Through the Looking-Glass|Through the Looking-Glass, and What EEng Found There]]. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 11:22, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
::Aagh! ''(Tryptofish runs crying from the room.)'' It breaks my computer again! <small>(And are you sure you want to talk about letting it all hang out in a discussion about it being too long? Sorry, I couldn't resist!)</small> --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:24, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

===Contributions from friends near and far===
::You should have plenty of time to concentrate on you User Page and [[Restoration comedy|Talk Page]] from now on, EEng, "fnarr, fnarr".... [[User:Martinevans123|A Rams Invent 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:04, 9 January 2016 (UTC) <small>p.s. but now very pleased, of course that your Talk Page is a reasonable length, at last. oh no! ... where's that new "dislike button" again? </small>
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:::[[User:Martinevans123|A Rams Invent 123]], you wouldn't be implying EEng's Talk page was bloated, now, would you? Nah. Welcome back, EEng, missed ya. Now, how do I dispose of these "Justice for EEng" tee shirts? [[User:Hertz1888|Hertz1888]] ([[User talk:Hertz1888|talk]]) 15:29, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::::I'm still [[Yarn bombing|knitting]] mine, if you don't mind!!! We all knew it had to [http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/19/thousands-march-closure-uks-last-deep-coal-mine-kellingley-colliery happen]. *sob* [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:36, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::::: Here's a design for t-shirts --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:42, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

=== You have been blocked! ===

[[File:Toyblocks.JPG|thumb|right|upright=1.3|Todays's brain teaser: arrange these carelessly strewn blocks onto a [[McCarthyism|handy future blacklisting]]]] I am blocking you for your continued disruptive [[Levi Strauss & Co.|levity]] toward a [[Vulcan (Star Trek)|serious]] and important educational [[Starship Enterprise|enterprise]].--[[User:3family6|<font color="navy">'''3family6'''</font>]] ([[User talk:3family6|<font color="black"><u>Talk to me</u></font>]] &#124; <small>[[Special:Contributions/3family6|<font color="purple">See what I have done</font>]]</small>) 06:16, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|3family6}}. I must compliment you on your Easter eggs, which rival {{u|Martinevans123}}'s. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 06:26, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
::You're welcome! Thinking this one up gave me a mental diversion from my job.--[[User:3family6|<font color="navy">'''3family6'''</font>]] ([[User talk:3family6|<font color="black"><u>Talk to me</u></font>]] &#124; <small>[[Special:Contributions/3family6|<font color="purple">See what I have done</font>]]</small>) 06:28, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
::I am totally [[Debtors' prison|indebted]] to the [[influenza|influence]] of [[Swallow|Martin]] for the [[Never Gonna Give You Up|Easter eggs]], though.--[[User:3family6|<font color="navy">'''3family6'''</font>]] ([[User talk:3family6|<font color="black"><u>Talk to me</u></font>]] &#124; <small>[[Special:Contributions/3family6|<font color="purple">See what I have done</font>]]</small>) 06:34, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

==Small world==
[[File:Jimmy Wales speaking in London - 16 Jan 2016.png|thumb|upright=0.5|right|Jimbo announces [http://www.wikihow.com/Improve-Your-Posture Greatest Stature] Award, to be given annually in honor of EEng ]]
I'm at a [https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/wikipedias-15th-birthday-party-tickets-20509187532 birthday party in London for Wikipedia] – surrounded by the celebrities like Jimmy Wales and the WMUK crowd, cutting the birthday cake. They have a [http://listen.hatnote.com/ visualization of Wikipedia] running on a big screen here and I was watching the edits just now. I recognised many of the topics and was especially tickled when I saw an edit to [[Phineas Gage]] pop up. I said, "I bet I know who did that – it must be EEng". I [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Phineas_Gage&diff=700167936&oldid=700147320 was right] – don't you ever stop tinkering with this thing? Anyway, thanks for beavering away to provide the cabaret while we party on... [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew D.]] ([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 21:14, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
::::<small>"[[Tinker#Tinker's dam|Damn right]] he don't!" [[User:Martinevans123|Naves Arm Tin 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:19, 16 January 2016 (UTC) </small>
:::::<small>As [[Special:Diff/691647612|I've noted before]], EEng's [[Tailor|fine work]], indeed [[Soldier|tireless work]], on this encyclopedia is well worth being [[Spy|observed]] and acknowledged. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 10:05, 17 January 2016 (UTC)</small>

[[File:Newton by Eduardo Paolozzi 2003-03-10.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1|Even on the toilet, apparently... {{nobr|<small>''(Caption by EEng)''</small>}}
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"...now if I can just tamp down this blasting powder into this [[Toilet-related injuries and deaths|hole]]..." {{nobr|<small>''(Caption by ME123)''</small>}} ]]
:The day may come when I'll switch to maintenance mode for Gage, but not likely soon. [[User:EEng#My_special_research_interest|Research continues.]]

:Until recently I thought I toiled in obscurity, except of course for my periodic trips to ANI. It was a shock, therefore, when during [[#.22Hands-down_the_worst_block_I.27ve_seen_in_my_time_on_Wikipedia.2C_and_I.27ve_seen_some_whoppers.22|the recent fiasco]] an editor commented that "Blocking an editor of EEng's stature is [something] [somethine] [something]". So apparently I've got ''stature''{{mdashb}}my mother is so proud! If you send a self-addressed, stamped envelope I'm giving free autographs for a limited time.

:That visualization thingee is cute. I'm sorry to be missing the party. Re your userpage photo, I've been meaning to mention that I was in London recently (30% Gage research, 70% pleasure -- my favorite place in the world) and for the first was able to fit in some followup at BL. When I saw that sculpture of Newton out front I was instantly reminded of this quote from him:
{{quote|I keep [a] subject constantly before me, and wait 'till the first dawnings open slowly, by little and little, into a full and clear light.}}
:See right. [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]]) 22:02, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
::That sculpture looks familiar! [https://www.ics.uci.edu/~eppstein/pix/london/PaolozziNewton.html]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 03:13, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
:::That's the one. When I first saw it, ''in situ'', I honestly thought it was a guy on the toilet. I thought, "Why does the British Library have a statue of a guy on the toilet." '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:22, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
::::You can blame [[Newton (Blake)|Blake]] for the pose. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 03:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
:::::Ignorant me, I never knew the Blake connection until now. I'm not sure anyone got the point of my caption at right. I had always remembered the quote, "[https://books.google.com/books?id=3ngEugMMa9YC&pg=PA174 I keep the subject constantly before me, and wait 'till the first dawnings open slowly, by little and little, into a full and clear light.]" So when I saw this statue of what appeared to be -- incongruously, here in the forecourt of the British Library -- a man sitting on the toilet, then saw that it was meant to be Newton, I thought, Well, I guess he really ''did'' keep the subject constantly before him! '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 06:02, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
::::::Even though it is clearly a chair, I've always though that [[:File:Jeremy Bentham Auto-Icon.jpg|Jeremy Bentham's auto-icon]] looks too much like a stall. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:21, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

*In view of my newly declared stature, I've decided to adopt a fancy user signature. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 08:16, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
::Why do they [[Couples Discount|both]] go to [[Section (Scouting)|section]] <code>#s</code>? Is there something [[fan]]cy [[Hiding a birth|hiding]] there? <small>Let's see {{u|Martinevans123|Martin "Easter" Evans}} [[beetroot|beet]] those.</small> Cheers, [[User:Drcrazy102|Doctor Crazy]] in [[User talk:Drcrazy102|Room 102]] of [[Special:Contributions/Drcrazy102|The Mental Asylum]] 00:35, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
:::{{FBDB}}[[wikt:snoopy|Good observation]], [[Dr._Demento|Dr. Crazy]]; [[hero|I]] [[wikt:dread#Noun|expected]] [[trivia|nothing]] [[absolute zero|less]] of [[mental patient|someone]] of [[Obsessive–compulsive disorder|your caliber]]. [[Jeopardy!|The answer is]]: [[wikt:fuck off#Interjection|No]], there's no <code>#s</code> as of [[Geologic time scale|now]], but it gives me the [[wikt:perspicacity#Noun|flexibility]] to [[Misdirection (magic)|send]] the [[Click_consonant#What_clicks_sound_like|click]] [[hell|somewhere special]], [[wikt:whim#Noun|should I desire that]] in [[science fiction|the future]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:54, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>[[Electrostatic discharge|shocked]] and awed silence* 'Nuff [[Wikipedia:Overlinking|said]] but [[u-turn|you]] [[dementia|forgot]] to [[IT crowd|code]] properly. Had to [[Baby diaper|change]] the [[Meta|<code><nowiki><code></code></nowiki></code>]] because it was a [[tadpole|tad]] [[Thumbelina|/small]]. I so want to anchor it to [[WP:ANI|THE Dramaboard of Wiki]] but [[Doctor Who|who]] would know if I'd end up [[irresistible force paradox|blocked]], [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive277#Review_of_EEng.27s_indefinite_block|boomeranged]] or [[Drop bear|site-banned]]? Now, I do think I said I was [[crazy|eccentric]], not [[Dementor|demented]] in my [[User:Drcrazy102|collection of useless factoids]] but you're welcome to [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:Drcrazy102&action=watch check]. I bow before the Master of Easter. Cheers, [[User:Drcrazy102|Doctor Crazy]] in [[User talk:Drcrazy102|Room 102]] of [[Special:Contributions/Drcrazy102|The Mental Asylum]] 03:27, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
::::<small>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STeVTzWelns Oh Wile E.], [[WP:ALLWIKI|you're such a]] [[Genie|Genius]]! (Also -- are you [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:EEng#/media/File:Velocipedes,_Jardin_de_Luxembourg,_1818.JPG insulting yourself]?) <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font><font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 03:35, 18 January 2016 (UTC)</small>

== A request ==

Hi Eng, I'd appreciate it if you would not change the policies and guidelines around image sizes without consensus. It's a contentious issue and one that has caused a lot of bad feeling between editors in the past. People have to be given the chance to express a view about changes that might affect the way they edit, especially changes to policy. All the best, [[User:SlimVirgin|SarahSV]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 00:27, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
:Your apology accepted in advance [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=702189499&oldid=702186339]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:47, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
::I couldn't see anything contentious in [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AImage_use_policy&type=revision&diff=702158611&oldid=699561943 Adam's edit], whereas you removed [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AImage_use_policy&type=revision&diff=702177609&oldid=702177358 this], for example, which is widely relied upon, implying in your edit summary that you thought it belonged in the MoS instead. If you want to downgrade something from policy to guideline, it's better to check on the talk page first. People need the policies to be pretty stable. [[User:SlimVirgin|SarahSV]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 01:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Your link shows me removing something which ''wasn't there until Adam added it today'', and the first part of my edit summary explained why I didn't think it should be added. So your idea that I was "downgrading something from policy to guideline" is completely wrong.
::: My edit summary's tail, ''anyway, this entire section really should be eliminated after merging to MOS/Images--doesn't belong here'', was simply a suggestion for what we should do in the future to consolidate formatting advice, with the implication that in the meantime, we at least shouldn't be adding mere formatting stuff to Image Use Policy, thus exacerbating the already serious problem of fragmentation of that advice all over the place. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:38, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

*Now that I've got that off my chest, let me say that I wouldn't be so pissy had this not been the second time in recent days you've got the wrong end of the stick. If you think any of my changes to [[WP:Manual of Style/Images]] were anything more than changes to ''organization and presentation'' -- that is, if you think any of my changes actually changed the actual advice being given in the guideline -- then please point out an example -- either something that got dropped, something that got added, or something that was substantively changed. Please note that what may at first appear to be new material e.g. the preference for ''upright'' and deprecation of ''px'' -- is in fact imported from longstanding provisions of [[WP:Image use policy]], and obviously no discussion is needed before bringing that stuff over.

:Certainly it's possible I might have inadvertently changed something substantive, but that's easily fixed and not an excuse for reverting the whole suite of changes which, I will modestly say, are a vast improvement over the prior vague, repetitive, randomly ordered presentation. Minor errors can just be fixed. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:45, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

::I've lost track of what you're doing there and at the guideline, but you now seem to have restored something you earlier argued was new and should go. I wish you would leave things as they are. [[User:SlimVirgin|SarahSV]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 05:25, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Sorry. Thanks to all the confusion you've sown, I mistakenly reverted just the second of a pair of edits. Now fixed by {{u|BushelCandle}} [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=702226305&oldid=699561943].

:::"I wish you would leave things as they are." I wish you would take the time to figure out what's going on before butting in and getting everything mixed up -- removing nonsubstantive changes with a call to "get consensus", then reverting the ''removal'' of undiscussed ''substantive'' changes, again with a call to "get consensus". You've made an already confusing situation worse, as not just I have tried to explain to you a couple of times now. [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=702217073&oldid=702215808] '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 10:21, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
{{od|3}}
No response. Big surprise. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:27, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

=== And furthermore ... ===

[[File:The Person of the House and the Bad Child.jpg|thumb|right|<small>''Caption added by EEng:''</small> Speaking truth to power]]
-- [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 04:57, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
{{clear}}
== Personal Attacks ==

please read this; and please don't restate other people's personal attacks..
https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks[[Special:Contributions/68.48.241.158|68.48.241.158]] ([[User talk:68.48.241.158|talk]]) 14:20, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
:You probably mean ''reinstate'', Einstein. You're a forum-shopping crank who's been harassing an established and respected user. Go soak your head. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:42, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
::meant restate, which you did on his talk page and again here...but reinstate too as far as the revert...your behavior is against policy and inappropriate. how long you've been "established" on here is no defense..[[Special:Contributions/68.48.241.158|68.48.241.158]] ([[User talk:68.48.241.158|talk]]) 17:35, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
:::I see you've been blocked. Thanks for playing our game, though. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 22:30, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

== Gödel's incompleteness theorems ==

Per the ArbCom motion, suggestions Hewitt makes on talk pages should be "brief", and Hewitt was reminded that he is still restricted from self-promotional editing per the original ArbCom case. The posted references do ''not'' contribute to the argument and ''are'' self-promotional. Do not act as the enabler of Hewitt. If you restore the material I removed again, you will be restricted from doing so. —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 19:23, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:{{u|Ruud Koot}}, please lay off the threats against another experienced, good-faith editor i.e. me. What the restriction says is [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=716074857#Motion:_Carl_Hewitt_unbanned_with_restrictions]
::''The purpose of this provision is to allow him to make suggestions on the talk pages of his own BLP (Carl Hewitt) and the talk pages of articles about his work. Suggestions should be polite and brief and should not be repetitively reposted if they do not find consensus.''
:Hewitt's original post was indeed brief [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=716215297] and even if you think it wasn't, that doesn't excuse what you're doing. If you want to mark it "edit request declined" that's fine; or if removal of his complete post is justified, that's fine; or if you think he's violating his restrictions then take that to the appropriate venue. But you should not be materially altering another's post [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=716262897] in a way that misleads others as to its content (in this case, making it look like he posted proposed text without sources -- inappropriate though those sources seem to be).

: I think Hewitt's a crackpot, but that doesn't excuse your heavyhanded actions at the article talk, or your highhanded attitude here, and I expect a response per [[WP:ADMINACCT]]. {{U|David Eppstein}}, if I'm missing something in all this please enlighten me. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 20:12, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
::Hewitt may or may not be a crackpot but he's also a sockpuppeteer, heavy self-promoter, and problem for the project. Hence his ban. If left to do what he wants he will filibuster the Gödel talk page into unusability; see the "arguments" links in the archive navbox of the talk page. So in this case, I do think it's reasonable to remove the comments (or move them to arguments). —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:34, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Like I said, removing Hewitt's post might be fine, but check the third link in my OP -- what was done was to silently modify his post very substantially, and that seems inadmissible under ''any'' circumstances -- wouldn't you agree? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 20:43, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:::: No. You fail to see the tactic Hewitt is employing here: he posts a semi-legitimate point for discussion and then uses this as a coatrack for self-promotion, disrupting the talk page in the process. If the post is removed completely, he will claim that he is being "censored" and revert back to sockpuppeteering, causing more disruption to the talk page. Those references are tangential to the argument, and removing them thus do not "substantially alter" his argument. If he notices his self-promotionalism is not allowed to stand, he may eventually give up on this, without being able claim he was mistreated. Do not allow yourself to be played as pawn in Hewitt's game. —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 21:54, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
:::::Actually, I wasn't asking if ''you'' agree, I was asking {{u|David Eppstein}}, whose comments so far support simple removal of Hewitt's post, or moving them elsewhere -- but not altering them. Inclined as Hewitt is already to claim he's being mistreated, you're giving him more ammunition by altering his post to remove the sources he'd included. I see nothing anywhere justifying such modification. Everyone can see the sources are self-promotional, so why don't you just let his post speak for itself (possibly assisted by a comment you add)?

:::::I still haven't heard anything from you about your dickish threat against me. Admins who throw their weight around are a real hot button for me. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 22:38, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

:::::: If that material is left to stand, it would incentivize Hewitt to post more of such material in the future. If the material is removed, it might discourage Hewitt from posting such material in the future. The latter would minimize the disruption of the talk page.
:::::: I consider the removal of this material arbitration enforcement. I will use my administrative tools to make sure this material stays removed, if necessary. I prefer not letting it come this, and am required to warn you before I would do so. If you disagree with my interpretation of the restrictions placed upon Hewitt, I suggest you take your issues to the ArbCom [[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Motion:_Carl_Hewitt_unbanned_with_restrictions|here]]. —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 23:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
[[File:Agronomitalo_15.JPG|thumb|right|upright=0.8|An admin upholds one of the [[WP:FIVEPILLARS|five pillars]] without throwing his weight around.]]
{{od|::::::}}
Again with the threats ("I will use my administrative tools to make sure this material stays removed, if necessary. I prefer not letting it come this, and am required to warn you before I would do so") instead of engaging what I've said. I guess I can add one to the count of highhanded dick admins who resort to threats as a substitute for engaging what another has said.

Just as I predicted, your altering of Hewitt's post has given him one more thing to complain about [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=716390685&oldid=716277085]. While he'd complain no matter what, this way a bystander (unable to see what the refs were) might mistakenly believe the refs were appropriate, and sympathize with Hewitt. Great work, Mr. Admin. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:45, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
*So I guess it's official:
::<code>[[C_(programming_language)|count_of_highhanded_dick_admins_who_resort_to_threats_as_a_substitute_for_engaging_what_another_has_said ++;]]</code>
:'''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
{{clear}}
== Gawker FYI ==
[[File:CH_cow_2_cropped.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Principled Wikipedia editor in no moo]]
FYI: [http://gawker.com/wikipedias-editors-feud-like-teens-1773610715] [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 16:31, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
::[[15 minutes of fame|My mother is ''so'' proud.]] '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:12, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

*WPO watch out! Now Gawker sez all your internets are mine. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:24, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
::Seriously, Tfish, I have no idea what any of that meant. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 05:20, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
:::Sorry, that wasn't one of my better efforts. [[Wikipediocracy|WPO]]: where they also [[Reliability of Wikipedia#Coverage|wikigroan]]. I was trying to say that they now have Gawker as competition. As for the latter part, woopsy, I was misremembering [[All your base are belong to us|this]]. I hope that my errors didn't dampen your moo. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:18, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
*Gahh now the world expects Wikipedians to walk around quoting Cato. ''Thanks''. &mdash; <tt>[[User:Rhododendrites|<span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span>]] <sup style="font-size:80%;">[[User_talk:Rhododendrites|talk]]</sup></tt> \\ 03:14, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
*My favorite bit is "Wikipedia’s principled editor’s are in no moo." '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 05:18, 29 April 2016 (UTC) <small>I'm (ahem) ''principled'', so watch it with the comments, insects!
::Congrats from ''this'' insect on the fact that you actually archived something from your talk page! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:33, 2 May 2016 (UTC)</small>
{{clear}}

== [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=718207921#Museum_of_Words_that_Bug_Me "Words that Bug Me"] ==

[https://xkcd.com/1012/ It's from the Greek ''entomon'', meaning "insect"!] <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235#top|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 02:04, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
:You have always been one of my favorite stalkers. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 20:31, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
::<small>Tonight on "Things That Sound Really Strange When Taken Out Of Context"... <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235#top|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 00:59, 8 May 2016 (UTC)</small>

*You may recall that [[Jeffrey Dahmer]] was killed during a fight in prison. So... ''What did Jeffrey Dahmer say just before the big fight in prison where he got killed?

{{collapse top|title=Ready?}}
"Aah -- I used to eat guys like you for ''breakfast!''"
{{collapse bottom}}

::Reminds me of [[Hannibal Lecter]]: "I'm having an old friend for dinner." --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:07, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

== May 2016 ==
[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history at [[:Wikipedia:Sock puppetry]] shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle|BRD]] for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]].

'''Being involved in an edit war can result in your being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''&mdash;especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;'''even if you don't violate the three-revert rule'''&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 12:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Duh! Why not just get one of your sock puppets to do this for you? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:40, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{fbdb}}Oh yeah? How 'bout if I have one of my sockpuppets give you a punch in the [[Jimmy Durante|schnozzola]]? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
::::::Hey, now looky here Buddy, my socks are [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opz3EQ3ZE-U darn tough], okay?? So just [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_bs4TPZU3o take a hike], why don'tcha?! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:28, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
:Oh, look, another high-handed member of the [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=645937441 "admin 3%"] drops in to deliver an arrogant lecture on his backward understanding of how things are supposed to work, leavened by ominous threats. See [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=719575277]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:37, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

=== Another admin drops in to lecture and threaten ===
::''Original section heading by OP: "Conduct Concerns"''

Recently I've noticed that a number of your comments this month have not met the expectations outlined in our [[WP:CIVIL|civility]] and [[WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] policies. Examples include [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&diff=prev&oldid=722347260 referring to a user as a "prick" and "completely tonedeaf"] [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Sock_puppetry&diff=prev&oldid=722210013 multiple times], using images and captions to insult other users ([https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Sock_puppetry&diff=prev&oldid=722126812 1], [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=721983636 2]), [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&diff=prev&oldid=719575844 making personal attacks towards others], and general incivility on a [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Sock_puppetry#Recent_edits policy discussion page]. (e.g. "The last time [you] had to deal with [me]"? Was there another time you gave a high-handed lecture showing you have a backwards understanding of how things are supposed to be done? You don't "have" to deal with me, and as NE Ent so effectively explains below, you're arguing in support of those who have kne-jerk reverted in violation of PGBOLD, so perhaps you should leave the refereeing of minor squabbles over nonsubstantive changes to those with a better understanding of guidelines, policy, and just-plain-how-things-are-done.") Such comments are not appropriate and don't contribute to a constructive editing environment. Please stop with this behavior or your account may be blocked. Best, <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b>]]</span> 17:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:Just to be clear for bystanders, all those links relate to my criticism of the bullshit behavior of admin Bbb23, who (surprise!) canvassed you to come to his aid. [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=722260666] Thanks, but I don't need any lectures on appropriate behavior. Bbb23's kneejerk reversion (without substantive comment) of multiple other editors' contributions, and subsequent refusal to participate in discussion, doesn't contribute to a constructive editing environment either, and it's healthy for someone to point that out; if Bbb23 doesn't like it, he should cut out that kind of behavior. I'm sure he's an effective checkuser and vandal fighter, and in the capacity I'm sure he has your respect, but out in the wide world of real editing (where one deals with actual other editors, not SPAs and vandals needing mass reversion [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20160601000000&limit=20000&contribs=user&target=Bbb23&namespace=0]) his knowledge and behavior leave much to be desired. When an admin behaves as he has{{mdashb}}papering over his own bad behavior with even more bad behavior, including high-handed block threats{{mdashb}}most editors just knuckle under, but someone needs to bell the cat. Quoting myself [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=722326946#A_Little_History] :
::''And let me be clear: I have no problem with 97% of admins, who do noble work in return for (generally) either no recognition or shitloads of grief, only occasionally punctuated by thanks. But the other 3%—​​whoa, boy, watch out!''
:In summary, I stand by my comments. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::The comment you left above is a continuation of the behavior that I've asked you to stop. I have blocked your account for 3 days. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b>]]</span> 19:21, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::Wow -- just this morning I was groping for an example of ''unintentional self-parody'', and here you've served one up on a silver platter. If you were shocked that I didn't bow and scrape in your presence, then you must have missed this userbox at the top of [[User:EEng]]:<div style="float:{{{float|left}}}; border:{{{border-width|1}}}px solid {{{border-color|{{{1|#1414ee}}}}}}; margin:1px;">
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| style="font-size:{{{info-size|8}}}pt; padding:4pt; line-height:1.25em; color:{{{info-color|#000}}};" | This user has been blocked several times, and [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=713242449#.22Hands-down_the_worst_block_I.27ve_seen_in_my_time_on_Wikipedia.2C_and_I.27ve_seen_some_whoppers.22 isn't embarrassed about it] - (see my '''<span class="plainlinks">[http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:{{BASEPAGENAME}} block&nbsp;log&nbsp;here!]</span>''').
|}</div>
{{clear}}
:::Welcome to the 3%! Further to the quote I gave earlier (above), here's more [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=722326946#A_Little_History]:
::::''When users do something that administrators don't like, but when the users not only disagree but have the temerity to object to the sanctions levied against them by administrators, is this an unacceptable dissent against the powers-that-be that must, always, be quashed by any means necessary?''
::::''We say "The free encyclopedia that anyone can edit", not "The benevolent dictatorship encyclopedia that docile and compliant rule-followers can edit as long as they remember their place and are always properly respectful towards ADMINISTRATORS." So, please, if that's not the message you want to send, just let these userboxes go. And if you want to boot a user off the project for not being here to help build the encyclopedia, please do it for a more substantive reason than that the user refuses to say "Uncle" when confronted by admins. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 19:46, 6 February 2015 (UTC)''
:::'''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 20:28, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

*You blocked for a personal attack or harassment. Where is the personal attack? Saying behavior is bad is not the same thing as saying someone is bad. You should unblock.[[User:Sir Joseph|Sir Joseph]] <sup><font color="Green">[[User_talk:Sir Joseph|(talk)]]</font></sup> 19:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Criticism and commentary is fine, however it must be undertaken in a constructive manner. Mischaracterizing my comments by changing the header title to "Another admin drops in to lecture and threaten", claiming Bbb23 was acting with a "bullshit behavior", improperly suggesting that Bbb23 was [[WP:CANVASS|canvassing]] me to engage in the conversation despite not engaging in the conversation, and using uncivil language, such as "lectures on appropriate behavior", "Bbb23's kneejerk reversion", and "high-handed block threats{{mdashb}}most editors just knuckle under, but someone needs to bell the cat" is poor conduct towards other editors and is not permitted. EEng was warned that this behavior was not appropriate, but still continued. I don't feel the block should be lifted. <span style="font-family: Palatino;"> [[User:Mike V|<b style="color:#151B54">Mike V</b>]] • [[User_talk:Mike V|<b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b>]]</span> 20:03, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*Many of us here at Wikipedia have gotten used to EEng's rather acerbic and, shall we say, direct style, and like him for it, and while I'm kind of nodding my head here, I continue to think EEng is a valuable addition to the Wikipedia community, who may be in need of lessons in ettiquete?--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 20:20, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
*Holy Jesus. If "Bbb23's kneejerk reversion" is now part of a block rationale, block us all. What a shite block, a complete kneejerk reaction, utterly bogus, high-handed admin behaviour that needs to be called out, it's utter nonsense. And that, folks, is just the opening sentence of my memoirs of reading utter tripe on Wikipedia. Hardback due out just in time for Christmas. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 20:24, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

===Unblocked===
[[User:Mike V]], after your warning ("conduct concerns") on this page, EEng posted [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEEng&type=revision&diff=722381142&oldid=722369476 this] in response. He also made a few innocuous edits on [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images]], but I'm sure your block had nothing to do with those. You blocked for his response to your warning, and I don't think that was reasonable. The response wasn't very polite, indeed. It didn't defer to you as admin. The worst of it was that he changed your header, which is certainly inappropriate. But was it a disruptive edit, enough reason to block? No. Mainly it was an explanation of his criticisms of Bbb23. It didn't contain any personal attacks against Bbb23 or anybody else AFAICS. I've unblocked. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:44, 27 May 2016 (UTC).
:Well thanks, {{u|Bishonen}} -- not because I care a whit about an enforced break per se, or about my block log (I got over that long ago), but because it's nice to know that there are at least some admins who will stand up to the 3% who think that being an admin entitles one to imperiousy demand that the rest of us show deference to their superior status, and cower and beg for mercy at their whim, whether what they're saying conforms to policy and guidelines or not. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:09, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

===Telegrams from near and far===
*Dammit, I was logged out during all the fun! I'd like to propose two actions. First, I think EEng should be blocked again because when I clicked that link he gave to Bbb23's user contributions, it made my Firefox hang up, and we certainly cannot have that. Secondly, I propose that we tattoo {{fbdb}} across any available portion of EEng's anatomy. In one fish's opinion, both Bbb23 and Mike V are, on the whole, excellent administrators and very helpful members of the community. What happened here, however, was what seems to happen all too frequently on Wikipedia: people getting pissed off over stuff that would seem unimportant after a good night's sleep. Ironically, Mike V's initial warning was good advice. Ironically too, EEng is cognitively incapable of following that kind of advice (something to do with brain damage at Harvard), and believe me, I've tried many times to no avail. Unfortunately, when Mike V observed EEng's response, he overreacted. Bish, as always, and I ''do'' mean always, got it right. EEng was disrespectful but not disruptive. Group hug. Now where is that tattoo needle? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:45, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::Well how about re-imposing a block for having a ''too long talk page''? Is that a blockable offense? Surely there should be some fingerwagging!--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 23:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
:::I agree entirely. That also does bad things to my browser performance. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:51, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
::::Yes, tripping up Tryptofish's browser => BAD, EEng, bad bad bad, you should be tattooed bigtime for such horrors. (Me, too, for extending an already too-long talk page)--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 00:00, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
[[File:Hans Langseth.jpg|thumb|upright|EEng's [[Hans Langseth|talkpage]], more than ready for archiving --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:08, 30 May 2016 (UTC)]]
*About an hour ago I figured that, while blocked, I might as well spend some time doing what some of you desire so much, which is to trim this page. Unfortunately, a few trims into the project I realized that silly ol' Bishonen had unblocked me, so if it's still too long complain to her. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:09, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
*:Or block this EEng joker for being more of a truth-to-power curmudgeon than me. Horning in on my territory? This will not do. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 03:39, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
* You know, this talk page reminds me of a long beard:
# It makes the owner look moſte wise.
# The longer it gets, the more tangles you can see
# [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ9fixoPBPk It is a great inconvenience.]
:<span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235#top|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 04:27, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

=== Oh no you got blocked again... ===

Well, what else is new. My two cents is that EEng is a valuable addition to Wikipedia, if a bit difficult at times, although I've sometimes considered that maybe he should be blocked for having a ''too long talk page''. Just kidding. Just saying' hello, EEng, hope you'll be back soon.--[[User:Tomwsulcer|Tomwsulcer]] ([[User talk:Tomwsulcer|talk]]) 19:45, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

:'''Did you know ...''' <br>
::... that '''[[3%]]''' "is an upcoming [[Brazil]]ian [[thriller (genre)|thriller]] series?" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:08, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

== Your fave topic, now a political buzzword ==

http://www.metafilter.com/160081/159-days-to-go-Stay-strong#6549438 —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 04:03, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

:Many thanks for this -- it's perfect for an upcoming talk on Gage in pop culture. It's vaguely similar to a youtube video I grabbed about six years ago (now no longer posted, AFAICT) in which the US is metaphorically Gage (a stockbroker named "Phineas Geiger" in the vid, for some reason) and the WTC attack was the iron-bar-through-the-head turning America/Gage into an irritable, unpredictable, bullying, angry psychopath etc.

:Interesting detail about the post you link: The discussants don't seem to think that anyone reading needs Phineas Gage linked or explained. I wonder if there'll be an uptake on the [[User:EEng#Sudden-unexplained-viewspike_detectors|Sudden-(explained)-viewspike_detector]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:26, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

::I have a feeling that Trump would actually ''like'' being compared to an iron rod. So is your viewspike detector a Geiger counter, or a Gage gauge? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:05, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

:::I'm sure he would. He just said the US needs to be [[Madman theory|less predictable]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:24, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

*P.S. to {{U|David Eppstein}}: I did use it in my talk, to good effect, because it shows the extent that Gage can be invoked without introduction in at least some circles. (I also found some tweets in which people say things like, "I'm gonna go all Phineas Gage in a minute!") You may also have noticed I've used it at [[User:EEng#s|The Museums]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 08:12, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

== Trout love ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''A lovely slice of trout'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | An piece of delicious [[Wikipedia:trout|trout]] for you, to calm your antagonism over how to present the story of sockpuppets [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Sock_puppetry&oldid=725100575#Recent_edits]... [[User:Deryck Chan|Deryck]][[User talk:Deryck Chan| C.]] 16:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
|}

:The love goes right back atcha, {{U|Deryck Chan}}. I like your close{{mdashb}}"with a reminder that editors{{snd}}admin or not{{snd}}should refrain from causing unnecessary antagonism in discussions, and from placing disproportionate emphasis on following processes"{{mdashb}}with the understanding that the antagonism (mine, at least) was a direct result of that disproportionate emphasis on process over substance. Not sure you realize it, but I got blocked by one of those high-handed process-fixated admins over this{{mdashb}}see [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:EEng&oldid=725108270#May_2016]. And proud I am of it, too. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:46, 13 June 2016 (UTC) <small>P.S. have you visited [[User:EEng#dyk|The Museums]] lately?</small>
::No, I wasn't aware of your very short recent block until reading your reply above. It simply adds to the farce of the whole fiasco... [[User:Deryck Chan|Deryck]][[User talk:Deryck Chan| C.]] 21:12, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

== serving notice ==

I am sending you a bill for a new keyboard ''and'' my [[Ear, nose and throat|ENT]]'s treatment of the coffee burns on the insides of my nostrils.<br/>
"[[User:EEng#Museum of tasteless proposals for ice-cream flavors|Traditionally served with iceberg lettuce]]". What is the ''matter'' with you?<br/>
-- [[User:scs|stunned museum visitor]] (still [[LOL|reel]]ing)
::::We're all assuming that's a rhetorical question. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:20, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
:It's the bar through the brain [https://cms.www.countway.harvard.edu/wp/?p=12956]. Anyway, you were warned it was tasteless. The great thing about Harvard topics is there are always people wandering about saying droll things:
::*[[Widener Library#cite_note-75]]
::*[[Eleanor Elkins Widener#Second marriage and South American adventures]]
::*[[John Harvard (statue)#Recent_incidents]]
::*[[Lionel de Jersey Harvard#cite_note-49]]
::*[[Sacred Cod#.22Cod-napping.22_and_other_incidents]]
::*[[History_and_traditions_of_Harvard_commencements#George_Bernard_Shaw]]
:<small>None of you write back for the next four days, please -- I have to get this talk ready.</small> '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:34, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

== At least it's not another "Barnstar of Good Humor"... ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Yuge Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | That's one hell of a user page you've got there. I tried to print a copy out (in case my internet goes down), but I don't have the required 63 pages to get the whole thing. I'm off to the store in the morning to buy paper. Anyhow, here's a Trump-sized reward for having a liberal sense of humor. [[User:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Colonel Wilhelm Klink]] (<sup>[[User talk:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Complaints]]</sup>&#124;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Colonel_Wilhelm_Klink|Mistakes]]</sub>) 23:02, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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::It's even the same size as Trump's hands! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:59, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:::If you're talking about [[User:EEng]], don't you mean "Trump's ''ego''"? If you mean the little star at the left of the box there, don't you mean "Trump's ''genitals''"? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:28, 13 August 2016 (UTC) <small>Colonel Wilhelm Klink, I stole some of your images,</small>
:::::::You know, I was about to say "the same size as his hands", but then I thought "his" might be mistaken for you. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:25, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::I was trying to keep it clean... I guess I don't have [http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/best-quotes-republican-debate-detroit/ the political skills] of [[Ted Cruz|Lyin' Ted]] or [[Marco Rubio|Little Marky]]. And I'm flattered you stole "my" images; whatever contributes to the cause of comedy. [[User:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Colonel Wilhelm Klink]] (<sup>[[User talk:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Complaints]]</sup>&#124;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Colonel_Wilhelm_Klink|Mistakes]]</sub>) 00:36, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

===In other news...===
I am the only one here to receive an email (via "Email this user") from {{u|Hillbillyholiday}} reading something like --
:''Dear Mr Eeng,

:''Just came across our "[[eeng]]" article what was recently updated by User:Colonel Wilhelm Klink. Not sure if it's owt to do with you but sounds a bit like a HOECS to me! Don't forget, online pedophiles can actually make your keyboard release toxic vapors that make you suggestible ...'' [youtube link redacted]

:''This email was sent by user "Hillbillyholiday" on the English Wikipedia to user "EEng". It has been automatically delivered and the Wikimedia Foundation cannot be held responsible for its contents.
--? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

::Clearly you smell like hammers. --[[User:Hillbillyholiday|Hillbillyholiday]] <sup>[[User talk:Hillbillyholiday|talk]]</sup> 05:07, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Oh, Lord, I walked right into that one. But please, no more such emails. I almost reported you at ANI as a compromised account. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 05:14, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Apparently, I ''am'' humor-impaired (hangs head in shame). I had to google it. Yuck. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:25, 13 August 2016 (UTC)
[[File:Chimp reading SAS brochure.jpg|200px|thumb|right|"Toxic vapors? You smell like hammers? Fuck this, [[Bubbles (chimpanzee)|I'm going to bed]]."]]
:::::I'll respond to this now; I saw it here yesterday, and I still don't understand it. I get the whole "Klink is a stalker" thing, but the rest is just a bit too far out there for me, and, given the nature of this conversation ("online pedophiles", "compromised account", "yuck"), it can't be pleasant. Ignorance is bliss, right? [[User:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Colonel Wilhelm Klink]] (<sup>[[User talk:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Complaints]]</sup>&#124;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Colonel_Wilhelm_Klink|Mistakes]]</sub>) 15:02, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::I still don't know what all this is. I think you got dragged into it only because you happened to be near the top of the page's edit history. I hope this won't cause you to drop your membership in my glittering salon of talk page stalkers. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 16:38, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::I don't think my nagging wit would let me leave even if I wanted to. And my apologies for any misunderstandings over [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Eeng&type=revision&diff=734251324&oldid=695749512 the edit]... I came across the page while attempting to come here, and stub sorted it. <small>([[Conspiracy theories of the United states presidential election, 2016|And if you believe ''that''...]])</small> [[User:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Colonel Wilhelm Klink]] (<sup>[[User talk:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Complaints]]</sup>&#124;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Colonel_Wilhelm_Klink|Mistakes]]</sub>) 17:13, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::I didn't think any of it had anything to do with the good Colonel. And when the proprietor said "Oh, Lord, I walked right into that one", I took it to mean that it was a joke that EEng understood and I didn't. So I did some searching online, and the sentences in question come from an episode of some British comedy TV show. (I have no idea why any of it is considered funny. I suppose that it just means that the sun has set on the British Empire. At least it made me feel ''slightly'' better about TV in the US.) The episode was very controversial, because it centered on jokes about pedophilia. And ''that'' is why I said "yuck". (At least I am happy to see from the image here that a certain political candidate is reading about it.) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:21, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::I only understood in the sense that by that point I'd realized ME123 was involved, which explains ''anything''. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:18, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::Aha! Then you are so much more perceptive than is WMF's software for identifying IP addresses. Good for you! OK, so here is what is going on. The entire population of Wales (the nation of Welchers, not the co-founder of that website) has been viewing your talk page, and thus, the large spike in viewings. These people have four national characteristics: a tendency to cough up hairballs when they speak, hillbilly-like tendencies, inexplicable sense of humor (and it's not worth bothering to try), and warm feet. That explains everything (although I admit that my explanation requires explanation). In any case, the good Colonel has nothing to be worried about. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:17, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn-X5A0gbMA OMFG]"!! (as they say in [[Ystradgynlais]]) Don't think you'll escape unscathed after THAT outrageous contribution, fishio!! "I am [[The Prisoner|a sock, not a number]]!" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:36, 15 August 2016 (UTC) <small>"Welchers"?! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upD1uVCsCdc bliss out, dude!]</small>
:::::::::::::In his edit summary, our hillbilly friend calls me a "butty boy". So, after posting about pedophilia, he calls me a "boy" and refers to my posterior. Wow! Don't they have farm animals in Wales? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:47, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[[Sheep shagger|DYK's finest]] <small>(... as if you didn't know).</small> [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC) <small>*seething* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoPIfmJMIbE] </small>
:::::::::::That's unusual... I had always considered Wales to be one of the more grounded countries. <s>Perhaps being so close to England is finally taking its toll.</s> And, oddly enough, I received a pamphlet in the mail today urging me to -- get this -- "save the whales." (!) Have I done anything to piss off British conservationists? [[User:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Colonel Wilhelm Klink]] (<sup>[[User talk:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Complaints]]</sup>&#124;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Colonel_Wilhelm_Klink|Mistakes]]</sub>) 21:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC) <small>That was never here. Please excuse [[American Idiot|my ignorance]]. [[User:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Colonel Wilhelm Klink]] (<sup>[[User talk:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Complaints]]</sup>&#124;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Colonel_Wilhelm_Klink|Mistakes]]</sub>) 22:02, 15 August 2016 (UTC) </small>
::::::::::::<sup>{{fontcolor|blue|''cetacean needed''}}</sup> --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::''[slams head on desk]'' [[User:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Colonel Wilhelm Klink]] (<sup>[[User talk:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Complaints]]</sup>&#124;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Colonel_Wilhelm_Klink|Mistakes]]</sub>) 21:43, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

== A kitten for you! ==

[[File:Iris cat.jpg|left|150px]]
For your assistance with the recent research mess that I bought to ANI.

[[User:Stuartyeates|Stuartyeates]] ([[User talk:Stuartyeates|talk]]) 10:20, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
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== September 2016 ==
[[Image:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, I'm [[User:RexxS|RexxS]]. I noticed that you made a comment on the page [[:Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style]] that didn't seem very [[Wikipedia:Civility|civil]], so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on [[User_talk:RexxS|my talk page]].
''If you're not interested in discussion, then please keep your ad homiems to yourself'' <!-- Template:uw-npa1 --> [[User:RexxS|RexxS]] ([[User talk:RexxS|talk]]) 20:45, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

:Saying "RexxS is simply behind the times -- see note at..." and linking to a recent (July 2016) guideline change which you apparently missed [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=737754630] isn't a personal attack. You're being ridiculous. (And we'll leave it to others here to judge whether, in this context, saying "You're being ridiculous" is a personal attack.) '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 21:16, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

== Please comment on [[Talk:Miniature Australian Shepherd#rfc_C3350AE|Talk:Miniature Australian Shepherd]] ==

The [[WP:Feedback request service|feedback request service]] is asking for participation in [[Talk:Miniature Australian Shepherd#rfc_C3350AE|this request for comment on '''Talk:Miniature Australian Shepherd''']]. <!-- Template:FRS message --> <!-- FRS id 52007 --> [[User:Legobot|Legobot]] ([[User talk:Legobot|talk]]) 04:25, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
:Life's too short. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 06:50, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
::But your talk page isn't. Now, I can't get this image out of my head: tiny Australian people herding tiny sheep. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 14:26, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
:::<small>All called [[Bruce Small|Bruce]], of course. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:34, 5 September 2016 (UTC) </small>

=== Please comment on [[Talk:Jane Austen#rfc_F722A78|Talk:Jane Austen]] ===

The [[WP:Feedback request service|feedback request service]] is asking for participation in [[Talk:Jane Austen#rfc_F722A78|this request for comment on '''Talk:Jane Austen''']]. <!-- Template:FRS message --> <!-- FRS id 52190 --> [[User:Legobot|Legobot]] ([[User talk:Legobot|talk]]) 04:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
:<big>''Way''</big> too short. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:32, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

==Your page is to be enshrined==
{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7; width:100%;"
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''By Order of the [[Illuminati|Illuminators Puirsuivant in Waiting]]'''
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You are hereby informed that [[User:EEng|your page]] has been selected for [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for enshrining/User:EEng|complete enshrinement]] and grilling while wearing silly hats and maintaining a safe distance from [[User:Ritchie333]] unless [[Hazmat suit|suitably attired]].

Please be aware that this process can take up to ten years and you should avoid making any changes to the page during this period. The [[User:Martinevans123|serf]] is currently preparing the [[vellum]] (he's chasing a calf, but that's a typical Saturday night on the [[Caldicot and Wentloog Levels|Levels]]), while the [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|chief scribe]] is preparing his quills, the [[User:David Eppstein|milliner-in-chief]] is measuring everyone's head, and the [[User:Tryptofish|proof-reader in waiting]] is searching for his <s>rubbers</s> erasers. Everyone is keeping a safe distance from the [[User:Ritchie333|tanner-in-residence]].

The enshrined page will include an illustration of [[User:EEng|HRH EEng]], wearing a silly hat, pleasantly plucking away while Rome burns, with the [[User:Robevans123|fool]] worrying about the next [[WP:BLPGOSSIP|BLP violation]]. [[User:Robevans123|Robevans123]] ([[User talk:Robevans123|talk]]) 20:25, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
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*Note: "just one [[The Swallows|swallow]] does not a [[William Sommers|sommers]] make". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:37, 17 September 2016 (UTC) <small>... a typical night on the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EkqpB4mJLc Gwent Levels] </small>

*Thanks to everyone who participated. I am unworthy. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 20:57, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

===Notice of shrines for unenshrinement===
{{Notice|1=Your enshrinement page has been nominated for unenshrinement. The reason given is: what the fuck? You may share your opinion at the [[User:EEng|shrines for unenshrinement]] page, but nobody will listen. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:00, 17 September 2016 (UTC)}}
:Great. Now I'm in the middle of an enshrinement war. Anyway, I think the word is ''unshrinement''. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 21:33, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
::You mean ''disenshrinification.'' HTH, HAND. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 21:36, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
:::Trypto needs to be careful - he might bring down the wrath of the cabal of [[Antidisestablishmentarianism|antidisenshrinificationists]]. [[User:Robevans123|Robevans123]] ([[User talk:Robevans123|talk]]) 12:18, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
::::[[WP:Deletionism|Who,]] [[WP:Inclusionism|me?]] --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:03, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

==Drive-by admin once more gets the wrong end of the stick, and drops by to threaten and lecture==
::''Original section heading: "Last Warning on Arbcom MOS discretionary sanctions"''

Reminder [[User talk:EEng/Archive_2#Notification of Arbcom MOS discretionary sanctions]]

[[user:Jayaguru-Shishya]] sent me an email about this pair of edits [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AManual_of_Style&type=revision&diff=740527758&oldid=740523233 1] [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AManual_of_Style&type=revision&diff=740535978&oldid=740527758 2], which was a follow up to a post JS made to my page <s>on</s><u>,</u> See [[User talk:PBS#Problems at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style]].

I agree with the substance of [[user:Jayaguru-Shishya]] accusations.

If you breach [[WP:TALK]] again and I am notified, I will take administrative action. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 19:30, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
::::If you breach basic grammar and punctuation rules, I will take adverse action. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 19:33, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::Just to be clear, {{u|The Rambling Man}}, you're talking not to me but to PBS, right? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 21:43, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::Seriously. The guy can't even get the grammar right when giving you a warning about MOS sanctions. It's either irony or a paradox or something that I haven't thought of yet. In any case, I've unsuitably indented my reply ''a la'' EEng, just to ensure you know I'm replying at you innit an' not dat uvver fella. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 21:46, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::: I suspect that should be ''à l'<nowiki/>''EEng, but of course I would not wish to quibble... --[[User:Mirokado|Mirokado]] ([[User talk:Mirokado|talk]]) 22:07, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Shame on you. You should know that [[Indentured servitude in the Americas|over-indenting]] like that is simply '''not supported''' by the ''[[Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal|Chicago Manual of Style]]''. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:06, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::''Indented servitude'' -- that's hysterical. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 22:11, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::<small>It narrowly won in a [[Indentation force-deflection|product comparison]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:16, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::And ''now'', we have to figure out how to pronounce "l'EEng". --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:45, 21 September 2016 (UTC)</small>
::::::::::::::I'll take a [[Lange Aviation|flier]] on that one. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:51, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
*PBS, you have no idea what you're talking about, and I've responded in detail on your talk page [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=740566152]. '''(Connoisseurs of forum-shopping Wikilawyers taking advantage of the credulity of random admins may want to follow that link.)''' '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 21:43, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
{{od}}
Recently, you have more than once altered text on a talk page posted by another editor against their objections. You justify that by stating "Unfortunately there was no way for me to restore the edits by other editors that J-G removed without also removing his comments;" removing others comments against the objections of others is a breach of [[WP:TALK]]. After their comments were restored, if you though that such a restoration was unjustified, you should have asked an uninvolved administrator (either directly or indirectly via [[WP:ANI]]) to intervene. Edit warring over the content of article pages is disruptive, edit warring over the content of talk pages is unnecessary and disruptive (hence the rules over not altering other people's comments). Alter another person's comments on a talk page (other than those small changes sanctioned by [[WP:TALK]] talk) and I will take administrative actions. Is that clear? -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 06:12, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
:Wow, looks like we've got another [[Chickenlover|live one]] with a bad case of [[WP:IDHT]] on top. What has happened to Wikipedia to make such people the ones we give the mop to? And since when has admin privilege been required to take obvious corrective actions that aren't actually uses of that privilege? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 06:32, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
::For the avoidance of doubt, {{U|PBS}} (since you have trouble following talk page discussions) D.E. is talking about ''you''. Is that clear? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 06:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
::{{u|PBS}}, your failure to even acknowledge the unusually strong condemnation by one of your fellow admins, above, of your behavior in this matter adds to the accumulating evidence calling into question your fitness as an administrator. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:22, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
{{od}}
'''No response from the drive-by admin. <big>''Surprise!''</big>''' '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 07:27, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

:From my talk page:
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::I reverted your &#91;([[user:Jayaguru-Shishya]])&#93; comments because, in the same edit in which you made them, you deleted and refactored others' comments. One notices PBS has stopped defending you. Get a clue. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 15:31, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
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:I never "defened" [[user:Jayaguru-Shishya]]. So stating that I have "stopped defending &#91;[[user:Jayaguru-Shishya]]&#91;" not accurate. I reminded you of my previous warning of MOS descretionary sanctions ([[User talk:EEng/Archive_2#Notification of Arbcom MOS discretionary sanctions]]) and under those sanctions I placed a specific restriction on you not to delete other editors tal page comments. I did this because you seem unable to understand that deleteing other's comments against another editors objections is a direct breach of [[WP:TALK]]. I have responded now because you seem to be self justifying you breach of [[WP:TALK]].

:Despite you suggestions that an involved administrator ought to be an arbitrator in this issue, it is univolved admins, or as you put it "Drive-by admin[s]", that are preferred for such interventions (see [[WP:UNINVOLVED]]).

:If it makes you happy to get the last word in then you most likely will, but unless you behave in such a way as to warrent my intervention under the MOS discressionary sanction, I so not intend to engage in further correspondence over this issue. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 06:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

::'''Oh, look, the drive-by admin pops up to threaten and lecture again!'''
::*It's somehow not surprising that you and your little pal J-G are still whining about this two weeks later, because you're both clueless.
::*Uninvolved is fine; drive-by, which is what you are, is someone who doesn't bother to understand (or, as is increasingly obvious in your case, is incapable of understanding) what's really going on before issuing pompous lectures and threats. For the nth time, ''it was J-G who removed and refactored others' comments, not me; I undid <u>his</u> removal and refactoring of others' comments,'' and for that you're giving me grief, because you're clueless.
::*I repeat what your fellow admin, {{U|David Eppstein}}, said about your actions in this matter: "What has happened to Wikipedia to make such people the ones we give the mop to?" i.e. you're unfit to be an admin, because you're clueless. I notice [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Philip_Baird_Shearer|you became an admin in the old days]] when that status was essentially anyone's for the asking. It's unfortunate that the voices in the wilderness pointing to your "consistently poor judgement" and predicting that you would "certainty abuse adminship" weren't heeded.
::When you're excited either your spelling or your typing deteriorate; slowing down might lead to improvement in those areas, and possibly in your thinking processes (though I can't be sure of that). I'm glad to hear that you plan to stop embarrassing yourself by posting further here, and will (I guess) just go do whatever it is you do when you're not encouraging Wikilawyers and wasting the time of editors who know what they're doing. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 07:38, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

== Return of the bodice-ripping bots ==

Looks like the phenomena of bots getting into a bit of "rough and tumble" with each other has made the press. [https://www.newscientist.com/article/2106749-the-wikipedia-bots-that-are-engaged-in-spats-that-never-end/ New Scientist article]. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:14, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

: And now [http://www.pcmag.com/news/350050/watch-these-echo-google-home-speakers-get-stuck-in-infinite this]. —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 02:18, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

== Talk page clutter ==
[[File:White_lipped_tree_frog_cairns_jan_8_2006.jpg|thumb|upright=0.5|Ribbet]]
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADid_you_know_nominations%2FWater_bottle_flipping&type=revision&diff=743678223&oldid=743668815 For water bottle policing] [[User:Ribbet32|Ribbet32]] ([[User talk:Ribbet32|talk]]) 20:42, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
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== Please comment on [[Talk:1#rfc_56A0C58|Talk:1]] ==

The [[WP:Feedback request service|feedback request service]] is asking for participation in [[Talk:1#rfc_56A0C58|this request for comment on '''Talk:1''']]. <!-- Template:FRS message --> <!-- FRS id 54165 --> [[User:Legobot|Legobot]] ([[User talk:Legobot|talk]]) 04:26, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
:Forget it. Next you'll want 2, then 3... Where will it end? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:27, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
::Looking at that talkpage, I'm afraid the discussion will turn out less like
:::"''Okay, we've settled on a solution for [[1]]. Now how about [[2]]?''"
::...but instead more like:
:::"''I say it should be [[1 AD]].''"
:::"''[[1 CE]] is more neutral.''"
:::"''You atheist! '''Clearly''', it should [[1 AD]], '''to reflect common usage!'''''"
:::"''I think, if we use AD, we should prefix it, while CE should always be suffixed. With a grave accent over the E.''""
:::"''How about we use (year) to end the religious issues?''""
:::"''That's not '''common usage'''!! But it's common style on Wikipedia! But it's not—it's—uh—''" <small>Editor's [[:File:Hazard E no border.svg|head explodes]] from the contradiction, causing mild confusion as to whether (Gregorian year) or (Julian year) would be more appropriate.</small>
:::"'''''That previous RfC simply does not show enough consensus.''' I will take legal action against the Year Name Cabal!!''"
::...until the discussion sinks to the bottom of [[Graham's hierarchy of disagreement]] and everyone agrees on the eminently sensible ''[insert your favorite disambiguation here]''.
::Now, to do something useful before I clutter up this talkpage any more... <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235#top|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 16:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
::::In all seriousness, I know someone who may be able to contribute usefully. Paging {{u|Hertz1888}}. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 19:45, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

==A Barnstar for you! ==
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I enjoyed [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/%C3%89lizabeth_Teissier&diff=743945189&oldid=743821765 your sense of humor]. Regained a part of my lost energy. Thanks! [[User:Mhhossein|<span style="font-family:Aharoni"><span style="color:#002E63">M</span><span style="color:#2E5894">h</span><span style="color:#318CE7">hossein</span></span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Mhhossein|<span style="color:#056608">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 12:55, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
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== No barnstar is better than this barnstar, believe me! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Your userpage is hilarious. [[User:MB298|MB298]] ([[User talk:MB298|talk]]) 00:17, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
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== Tommy Tucker (squirrel) ==
{{warning|1=This talk page may contain [[wikt:nutcase|nuts]], [[3 Nuts in Search of a Bolt|nuts]], jokes about [[testicles|nuts]], and [[WP:TPS|nuts]] who converse with [[User:EEng|a nut]] who often concerns himself with [[Dash#En dash|nuts]]. Be aware that [[epinephrine]] shots are unavailable, although, judging by this page's content, shots of alcohol are quite bountiful, as are those ever endearing "cheap shots", which will be handed out to all attendees on a regular basis. Page may also contain copious amounts of [[corn smut|corn]] and [[C'est Cheese|cheese]].|heading=Allergy warning!}}
"Fussing" ''is'' insulting. Implying I'm a bigot who thinks "cross-dressing is somehow wrong", if that's what you were trying to do, would be ''egregiously'' insulting. When all I did was take the time to provide an in-depth review, and pick the hook where I anticipated there would be the fewest problems, there is no need to be that offensive. [[User:Ribbet32|Ribbet32]] ([[User talk:Ribbet32|talk]]) 00:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
[[File:Pet-Squirrel-Grid-LIFE-1944-single-image.jpg|thumb|upright|Nuts!]]
:<small>For those playing along at home, the OP objects to [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=746981203 this post of mine].</small> Even members of my glittering array of talk-page stalkers{{mdashb}}all connoisseurs of half-baked, fly-off-the-handle malapropistic{{refn|Made-up word}} indignation, of which we get a lot around here for some reason{{mdashb}}will enjoy an ''[[Eats, shoots, and leaves]]'' belly-laugh when they absorb this one. I proposed the DYK "hook"
::{{tq|Did you know ... that '''[[Tommy Tucker (squirrel)|a cross-dressing squirrel]]''' sold [[World War&nbsp;II]] war bonds?}}
:You objected that
::{{tq|Wearing clothing is a human characteristic. An animal can't be a transvestite, or a cross-dresser, really.}}
:Then after some back and forth, I chided you for your continued
::{{tq|fussing that ''cross-dressing'' is somehow wrong}}.
:And then you came here to pop your cork, saying that I had implied that you're "a bigot who thinks 'cross-dressing is somehow wrong{{'"}}. I implied nothing of the sort. You should review [[MOS:WORDSASWORDS]], wherein is explained the difference between my implying that you think
::{{tq|''cross-dressing'' is wrong}}
:and implying that you think
::{{tq|cross-dressing is wrong}}.
:'''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:39, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
{{reflist-talk|title=}}
*Well, now we all know what EEng's Halloween costume is going to look like! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 15:00, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
::In the words of [[General McAuliffe]]: "Nuts!" '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 15:12, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
:::At the risk of going seriously off [[Topic (chocolate bar)|topic]], I can't stop thinking of this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksxdrMPUAwk advertising campaign], to which the near universal response of children throughout the UK was "Squirrel Shit!" (or in more refined quarters [http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?420452-What-has-a-hazelnut-in-every-bite "Squirrel Poo!"]). [[User:Robevans123|Robevans123]] ([[User talk:Robevans123|talk]]) 15:45, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

== Juanita Musson ==

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|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Petit Verdot.jpg|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''Quirky Hook of the Year'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | A toast for the quirkiest hook of the year with Juanita Musson, currently appearing in Prep 5. Job well done. [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 22:54, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
|}
*For those playing along at home, Maile's talking about this DYK item:
::''... that '''[[Juanita's Galley]]''' was noted for a "fabulous" breakfast, potluck, the proprietor's "unpredictable disposition", and a 40-person brawl featuring car jacks, pipes, steel bars, a fishbowl and an ax?''
:Like screenwriters, we hookers labor largely in obscurity. By taking time out to visit, {{u|Maile66}}, you've brought a ray of sunshine into the life of an otherwise forgotten shut-in. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:08, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

== Arbitration Enforcement notice ==

Please be advised that I have filed an Arbitration Enforcement request regarding your userpage [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#EEng here]. <span style="font-family:Courier New;font-size:3">[[User:The Wordsmith|'''The Wordsmith''']]</span><sup>[[User talk:The Wordsmith|Talk to me]]</sup> 22:20, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

=== Required notice ===

[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.<!--Template:AN-notice--> [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 23:46, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
:Thanks. How come I always attract the attention of admins with under 10K edits who haven't edited in years except to come out of the woodwork to give me the benefit of their gentle minstrations? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:14, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
::Menstruations? Spellcheck much? [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 13:06, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
:::Ewww Softy, did you have to say that while I was eating lunch? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 13:08, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Can somebody remind me what the problem was with that picture of a gorilla with a caption "Even though I'm an arbcom member, I'm simply commenting here as an everyday, average editor?" I've just made a [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&diff=prev&oldid=750022725 subtle reference to it] elsewhere. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 12:23, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
*There wasn't anything wrong, just Nakon thought there was -- remember, he's the one with the "cold medicine" excuse. Follow the link he refers to here [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=698937112] to see the original comment. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:13, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

=== Userpage ===

I've recreated your userpage as of immediately before the AE posting, minus the disputed section, at [[User:EEng/temp]]; feel free to just cut-and-paste it as you see fit. Intentionally created in your userspace rather than mine, to allow you to vanish it just by slapping {{tl|db-u1}} on it if you don't want it hanging around.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 23:53, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
:OK, thanks. At least this way it shows
[[File:Hooker%27s_Company_reach_the_Connecticut.jpg|left|thumb|left|upright=0.6|[[Thomas_Hooker|Hooker]] ]]
[[File:Woman in red dress with umbrella.jpg|thumb|right|upright=0.6|Hooker]]




instead of ------------>
{{clear left}}
like the June 14 version did. For the moment I'll just leave things be, until discussion has concluded. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:12, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

:Great to see your whole User page [[2016 United Nations Climate Change Conference|go up in flames]] like that. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 00:18, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
I knew something good would come from all of this, and maybe some of that good will be that someone will change the name of that image asap (blp and xyz being taken into account) not to mention that maybe you should throw some obscuring moondust on your caption there. [[user:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] 01:32, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
:I tried to rename the image but file moves on Commons make my head hurt, so I've just had to give some advice at the deletion request instead. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 12:34, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
::...on the other hand (the one holding a blue umbrella), if the young woman does employ herself in our oldest and most honest profession, this is about the best thing that could happen in promotional terms, and my apologies to her for going on about it so. On the complaining page EEng pretty much accused me of being full of lust (per my user/useless name), and, full disclosure, I had no retort or canonical abode to escape such a ludicrously self-evident charge. [[user:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] 12:50, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
:::[[The Hookers|"Kiss My Fuckin Ass"]] (as they say in [[Lexington, Kentucky]]). [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:29, 17 November 2016 (UTC) <small>(please don't take that personally, dear Rands)</small>
::::[[The Hookers]] chose their name, this woman may have known nothing of this and was on the street hawking blue umbrellas, a semi-trendy tattoo parlor, and Oz slipper knock-offs. Aside from chivalry of some kind and feeling protective of Wikipedia, I pushed at this issue a little because of the humorous irony which EEng pointed out. During a discussion about BLP violations out popped, totally separate from EEng's content, the biggest BLP violation on the site. That's entertainment. [[user:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] 00:35, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
{{od|::::}}
I'm sorry, but your comment assumes that there's something shameful about being a hooker, and is thus a form of hate speech. I'm reporting you at AE. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:04, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
:I personally like Robert Anton Wilson's definition of the professionals: 'tantric engineers'. Could be a category name. Congrats on the page come-back, I hope the lady in red appears within it, a story to tell your grandchildren. [[user:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] 3:21, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
::I complained here about the userpage. Didn't really do anything about it. Expected Hillary to win, and for it to become a shrine. Of... "hilarity"! Anyhoo, things will surely work themselves out. The financial markets aren't exactly spelling "doom-and-gloom".[http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/business/stock-markets.html?_r=0] Don't believe the hype! Cheers :> [[User:Doc9871|<font color="#000000" size="2">'''Doc'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Doc9871|<font color="#999999">'''talk'''</font>]] 08:10, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Looks like I missed quite a party! It could never have lasted, I guess. I suggest you put your creative energies towards political cartooning; the Crimson keeps advertising for a contributor, or you could go for national syndication. [[User:FourViolas|FourViolas]] ([[User talk:FourViolas|talk]]) 19:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
: I missed it, too. My, oh, my. There's much I could say, although [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=750018624&oldid=750017628 Ritchie said a lot of things much better than I could have]. (I find myself half wishing that the Daily Mail ''had'' run such a story.) —[[User:scs|Steve Summit]] ([[User talk:scs|talk]]) 13:02, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

*In American education there's something called "the P.E. Syndrome": the observation that a disproportionate number of Physical Education teachers become, ahem, ''administrators'' such as principals and vice-principals. Why? Because P.E. teachers have no lessons to prepare and no homework and exams to grade, leaving ample time to take the supplementary courses in educational theory required to move up through the ranks. As they say, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. And those who can't teach, teach gym"{{snd}}and then become principal, I guess. There's a similar phenomenon here at WP, and it's especially obvious when you look at the contributions history of the clue-challenged admin who opened that ridiculous discussion. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:48, 19 November 2016 (UTC) (P.S. No disrespect meant to the many good principals, vice-principals, and coaches out there -- just pointing out that, as in policing{{snd}}and WP adminship, for that matter!{{snd}}there are a number of bad apples that make the rest look bad.)

*I go off Wikipedia for a week, and I miss all the good stuff, sadly. What a ridiculous mess: some Wikipedians just do not have a sense of humor. When I said above that you were going to be deported, I had no idea that it would be true. And of course they got it all wrong: they should have archived this talk page instead. Well, I'm glad to see that EEng's sense of humor has not been quashed. And don't get me started about P.E. teachers. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:53, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

*Wow... you get yourself into a lot of trouble, don't you? I suppose that's the ever-present risk of this type of humor: there are always people who cannot find it in themselves to tolerate it, and those people sometimes have the will and the ability to do something about it, even if it flies in the face of what is ultimately [[freedom of speech|the greater good]]. On a positive note, that printed out copy of your user page I have has greatly increased in value! I would put it up on eBay, where I'm sure it would fetch thousands, but the sentimental value is simply too much. [[User:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Colonel Wilhelm Klink]] (<sup>[[User talk:Colonel Wilhelm Klink|Complaints]]</sup>&#124;<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Colonel_Wilhelm_Klink|Mistakes]]</sub>) 19:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
*Didn't the discussion end with saying you can put your user page back, minus some cuts and giggles related to the esteemed leader? Please raise the curtain again, the crowd out here is getting rowdy and none the wiser. [[user:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] 11:26, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
::Patience, ''patience'', Igor! All in good time! '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 13:43, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
:::With all due respect, I would like to see the long-awaited return of {{u|Bishonen}}'s seminal essay, [[Wikipedia:Do not say "With all due respect"]]. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 14:00, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
::::Flattering! But that so-called essay (a one-sentence essay) was deleted in 2013 on my own request, see [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Do not say "With all due respect"]], where I stated I regretted ever putting it in Wikipedia space. Somebody has pointed the redirect [[WP:WADR]] to [[WP:WikiSpeak#WADR]], which the "essay" was anyway redundant with, so all is good, [[User:Ritchie333|Ritchie333]]; you can still use [[WP:WADR]] in conversation. (If you want to amaze yourself, check out [[WT:WADR]] for some of the lamest <s>waste of time</s> <u>discussion</u> and greatest stubbornness over nothing I've seen in all my years here. Appropriate in a twisted way, I suppose.) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 16:48, 21 November 2016 (UTC).
:::::While I can do all of these things, I just feel the way the sentiment was ''delivered'' in the original essay was succinct, direct, and unambiguously to the point. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 15:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

*[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:Tryptofish&curid=18846193&diff=758841554&oldid=756516850]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:20, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
::Brilliantly fashioned, if I may presume that my humble opinion is of any value. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 22:34, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
:::Indeed it is (your opinion being of value, that is, although I also agree about the brilliant part), and thank you! The office pool is now open for estimates of the time that will elapse before some defender of the wiki will come along and want me blocked or something. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:44, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
::::Maybe I should, on request, email people each one little little bit of The Old Museums for them to add to their user pages. Kind of spread it around. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 22:49, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::Yes, like fertilizer or influenza. (Just don't attempt to email your talk page.) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:55, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

== Moratorium on circumlocutions for boomerangs ==

<joke>Since you dislike the use of synonyms for boomerangs, let me be blunt: your comment was offensive enough that it boomeranged on you.

<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]] You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 second''' for [[WP:Disruptive editing|abuse of editing privileges]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[WP:Appealing a block|request an unblock]] by first reading the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. </div><!-- Template:uw-block -->

</joke> I couldn't resist :-) [[User:Nyttend|Nyttend]] ([[User talk:Nyttend|talk]]) 17:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

*Goodness. Sounds WP ist being unterentertained at the moment. Polentarion [[User_talk:Polentarion|Talk]] 18:27, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
*<small>(For those playing along at home, this is re [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=752674690].)</small> Perfect. Now it can truly be said that I've been blocked so many times, it's a joke. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:29, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
**EEng, from now on, nobody can accuse you of having the most idiosyncratic sense of humor on the project. You have been surpassed in terms of utter weirdness. And once again, I missed all the fun! Only one second, and I wasn't even here. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:19, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
***Hey, I just realized that the "Wikipedians who have been nominated for deletion" category has gone blue! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:21, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

== A Barnstar for you ==
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|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Original Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Just letting you know your improvements to the [[Fred West]] article are appreciated from the heart, EEng. Sometimes overlapping information and personal lexicon can be overlooked. Seasons Greetings, too. [[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 00:03, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
|}

== Request ==

I've had my own share of disagreements with The Rambling Man, but please don't do [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&diff=prev&oldid=757153517 this] again. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 03:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
[[File:MONGO APEMAN.jpg|thumb|right|upright=0.5|{{center|{{fbdb}}Even though I'm on Arbcom, I'm just commenting here as an average, everyday editor.}}]]
:Well, I won't do it ''that way'' again -- wasn't intending to -- but I was absolutely serious in what I said here [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=756932173] and will periodically remind DYKers of it until people seem comfortable simply ignoring those of his comments that deserve ignoring. Whatever the value of ''some'' of his complaints, they are largely (and perhaps completely -- more than completely) outweighed by his insistence on drowning them in a sea of trivial niggles. It's a shame, because he has an eye for potential problems but no sense of priority. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:07, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
::I understand your substantive point, but a nasty presentation risks distracting from it. (FYI, I'm forever recused on anything TRM-related, so my arbship really is irrelevant here.) [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 04:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
:::Well, I'd characterize my presentation as ''forceful'', but your point is valid and I'll keep it in mind. Thanks for visiting, Your Arbship. (BTW, I pointed out to Drmies the other day that one anagram of ''Arbitration Committee'' is ''Motto: recriminate a bit''. Perfect, don't you think?) '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:30, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
::::I'm quite sure that His Arbship is a lot better looking than that image. Anyway, he gave good advice. And now I know what gave rise to: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ACategories_for_discussion%2FLog%2F2016_December_26&type=revision&diff=757123405&oldid=757120848]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:21, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Maybe can we call you [[Silverback Gorilla|Newyorksilverback]] from now on? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 00:29, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

== Just for the record: ==

...as the proposer, I am not actually wanting this to pass. I rather want to lay the issue to rest against a tendentious argument. Thanks for your support by so clearly opposing (one of the odder thanks I've given another editor, to be sure). Happy New Year. [[User:Eggishorn|Eggishorn]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 01:10, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:{{u|Eggishorn}}, as any member of my glittering array of talk page stalkers will attest, I specialize in not giving people the opposite response to the counterfactual strawman they didn't propose. Have you visited [[User:EEng#museums|The Museums]]? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] ==
[[File:Aventinus Weizen-Eisbock.jpg|thumb|right|'''"Eisbock"''': an indefinite bock, imposed by ArbCom, when an editor has been overly [[Chilling effect|chilling]], resulting in higher than average sourgrapes content.]]
You callin' ArbCom a bunch of chickens?[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&curid=5137507&diff=757937822&oldid=757937375] [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 16:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

:No, it's not a chicken reference. See [[Bock]]. [[User:Timothyjosephwood|<span style="color:#a56d3f;font-family:Impact;">Timothy</span><span style="color:#6f3800;font-family:Impact;">Joseph</span><span style="color:#422501;font-family:Impact;">Wood</span>]] 16:36, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::Mmmm... Indefinite Bock...[[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''O Fortuna!'''</span>]][[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:navy"><sup>'''''...Imperatrix mundi.'''''</sup></span>]] 16:39, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::I'll endlessly drink to that [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy|talk]]) 17:01, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::Orff, that was a bad pun. [[User:Eggishorn|Eggishorn]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 16:46, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::If ever there was an idea for a Wikipedia themed beer. [[User:Timothyjosephwood|<span style="color:#a56d3f;font-family:Impact;">Timothy</span><span style="color:#6f3800;font-family:Impact;">Joseph</span><span style="color:#422501;font-family:Impact;">Wood</span>]] 16:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:::: Yeah!!! <small>Imagine having to appeal ''that'' to AE</small> :o >>>> [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''O Fortuna!'''</span>]][[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:navy"><sup>'''''...Imperatrix mundi.'''''</sup></span>]] 18:00, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
EEng, I could be way off base here, but I thought Eisbock was awarded for chilling effects that produce [[Hops|great unhoppiness]], whereas sour grapes are related more with the [[Basalmic vinegar|award for acetic whining]]. [[User:NewsAndEventsGuy|NewsAndEventsGuy]] ([[User talk:NewsAndEventsGuy|talk]]) 18:13, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
:<small>My [[Wine lake|mistake]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Brexiteer123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:31, 2 January 2017 (UTC) </small>

*So is it in-policy to offer a [[WP:COOLDOWN|cool-down]] bock? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
::[https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=757978982 Of course]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 20:32, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

== [[Poe's law]] ==

Almost nudged you to be more civil over [[Talk:Poe's_law#Alleged_typo|this thread]] at the time, suspecting that your opening comment might just goad the other editor into being elaborately defensive of something that didn't matter, and I see this has now happened. Someone made an edit without being aware of policy, we made them aware of policy, they went silent: you should [[WP:DROPTHESTICK]] at that point. Civility policy is there to avoid wasting everybody's time with unnecessary arguments, as much as anything. --[[User:McGeddon|McGeddon]] ([[User talk:McGeddon|talk]]) 09:50, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
:<small>''[For those playing along at home, we're talking about this reversion [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=758595005] and this talk page thread [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=760333789#Alleged_typo]]''</small> Oh, please. Mr. Dyspeptic called fixing the typo ''uttrerly'' in a quotation "the edge of vandalism" and "deliberately destructive" because (he still says even now, though he can't seem to explain how) the error is "textually significant". '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:29, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

== [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?diff=760388724&oldid=760388683&title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents :)] ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Tunisia tozeur mos eisley 20101225-125321.jpg|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The [[WP:MOS|MoS Eisley]] barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious... [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''O Fortuna!'''</span>]][[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:navy"><sup>'''''...Imperatrix mundi.'''''</sup></span>]] 14:54, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
|}

== A shiny whistle for you ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Wistle.jpg|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''A shiny whistle'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Here's a whistle for you to blow at some point. I hope you don't anytime soon though! [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 04:44, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
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:I will treasure it always. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 05:07, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

==Clueless editors on parade (part II)==
::''Original section heading: "January 2017" ''

[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello, and [[Wikipedia:Introduction|welcome to Wikipedia]]. You appear to be repeatedly [[Help:Reverting|reverting or undoing]] other editors' contributions at [[:Wikipedia talk:Did you know]]. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "[[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit warring]]" and is usually seen as obstructing the [[Wikipedia:Editing policy|normal editing process]], as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] on the [[:Wikipedia talk:Did you know|talk page]].

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to be [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing Wikipedia. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block.

''I'm one of those people that doesn't get the joke. Wikipedia welcomes your edits but there are other venues for your off-topic discussion.''<!-- Template:uw-ewsoft --> <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 21:51, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
{{od}}
::''For those playing along at home, this concerns a discussion at Talk:DYK which a certain dyspeptic editor has repeatedly tried to close, because in his opinion it's not useful [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=761894072][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=761963199], notwithstanding that the discussion was immediately ongoing (e.g. witness the timestamps on the ''left'' side of those two diffs, showing that others had commented just minutes before the unilateral "closes"). ''

Unhatting [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=761920189] [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=761954313] a discussion which was inappropriately hatted, so that it can continue, is not "reverting to a preferred version". In fact, our mutual friend's latest "close" even removed another editor's post{{mdashb}}''my'' post, if you can believe the nerve [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=761963726]. So if anything, it's our dyspeptic friend who is "reverting to a preferred version". Next time, get a clue before butting in.

And the discussion's not off topic. While you may be unable to comprehend it, we're discussing the extent to which politically charged hooks are appropriate. The fact that we're having a little fun along the way, or that you personally are unable to share in that, makes it no less true. Welcome to Wikipedia! '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 23:42, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
:Whichever way you look at it, you continually reverted TRM in violation of 3RR, and you shouldn’t because it’s against policy and can get you into trouble. So please desist. And a heads up – TRM has continued the conversation on [[User talk:Schwede66#Not Facebook|my talk page]] and I’ve decided to report him to AN3. When they look into it, they may or may not have something to say to you as well. Hence my note to you. '''<font color="#000000">[[User:Schwede66|Schwede]]</font><font color="#FF4500">[[User talk:Schwede66|66]]</font>''' 18:22, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

::{{U|Schwede66}}, looks like you got your hand slapped for trying to do something sensible{{mdashb}}welcome to adminship! As you've now learned, our dyspeptic friend has a talent for busybody fussing about nothing, followed by wasting others' time trying to salve his bruised ego by proving he was right{{mdashb}}yours is not the only talk page he's posted to about this. He's like Malleus but less clever. (Tip: watch out for anyone who pluralizes ''forum'' as ''fora'' [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=762041779].)

::Just to make sure it's clear on the record, I'll point out again that he repeatedly declared the discussion at an end just minutes after others had posted to it [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=761894072][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=761963199], which is completely inappropriate, and it's no kind of edit warring that I unhatted every time so that discussion could continue. And (importantly) at one point he deleted a post of mine [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=761963726], which is completely beyond the pale. It's a great example of the confrontational shit-stirring which earned him both a desysopping and an [[WP:Editing_restrictions|editing restriction prohibiting him from "insulting and/or belittling other editors"]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 05:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

== Barnstar ==

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|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[File:Editors Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]|[[File:Editors Barnstar.png|100px]]}}
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Editor's Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For taking up the cause at [[University of Texas Tower Shooting]], which, although you may not know it, was started by a brand new editor from basically scratch, and was probably the best first article I've ever seen. It's good to see the thing stick and get substantive attention from an experienced editor, which is exactly how this whole thing is supposed to work. [[User:Timothyjosephwood|<span style="color:#a56d3f;font-family:Impact;">Timothy</span><span style="color:#6f3800;font-family:Impact;">Joseph</span><span style="color:#422501;font-family:Impact;">Wood</span>]] 16:07, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
|}

:Thanks! Happy to help. But unless I'm wrong the material was mostly split off from the Whitman article. Since you're here, maybe you have some bright ideas at [[Talk:University_of_Texas_Tower_Shooting]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 16:22, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

::Some of it was; some of it wasn't. After the draft was made into an article, I did a bit trying to walk the user through the merging process, which they began, but haven't yet completed. Admittedly I've knowingly let a lot of duplication of content sit in mainspace for a while, but the editor seemed enthusiastic and competent, if intermittent, so I figured I would let nature run it's course, and mentor as best I could, since the experience would probably be a valuable one for them. I'll take a look at the article's talk and look toward getting more involved over the next week. [[User:Timothyjosephwood|<span style="color:#a56d3f;font-family:Impact;">Timothy</span><span style="color:#6f3800;font-family:Impact;">Joseph</span><span style="color:#422501;font-family:Impact;">Wood</span>]] 16:29, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Me and Charlies are from the same home town. I grew up with (older) neighbors who knew him. I've heard anecdotes about him from people who knew him and I actually got caught by a cop egging the church he went to. (The cop was protestant and Irish, so he let us go when we gave our excuse as "it's a catholic church").
:::[[User:MjolnirPants/joke|Anyways, my point is, if you piss me off, you'd better steer clear of tall buildings.]] [[File:Summer 2007-101 (871613008).jpg|thumb|me, giving you the stink-eye.]] <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 23:51, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
::::I'll keep that in mind. You might be interested in the handy template {{t|fbdb}}, which I invented after [[User_talk:EEng#.22Hands-down_the_worst_block_I.27ve_seen_in_my_time_on_Wikipedia.2C_and_I.27ve_seen_some_whoppers.22|this bizarre episode]]. You fuckface.{{fbdb}} '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:05, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::I like being able to wrap the <s>vicious insult</s>joke itself into the link, but the tooltip is a great idea which I will be shamelessly stealing from you this weekend.
:::::I've already been accused of using my links (I have two, the other one is [[User:MjolnirPants/clarify|here]]) to hide my personal attacks. To be fair, I had used the text "Shut your stupid pie-hole" as the link text, so not exactly a huge leap there. But it got me to thinking: who, in the grips of a red-hot, raging butthurt would think to try to avoid a block for insulting someone? No-one. So who would put thought into it, and try to be more devious by insulting people with phrases linked to a page which serves only to make it clear they didn't really mean that? Well, the odd moron might, but frankly anyone with some creativity can insult the living hell out of another editor without ever getting so overt as to be blocked. Hell, without even the person being insulted realizing that they're being insulted. It's not hard, and it's not like you're on the spot: you can plan a good insult for hours without anyone knowing that you're not just busy IRL. So I'm curious as to whether anything like that has ever actually happened.
:::::Both you and I independently thought to make "joke" tags of some short. Shirly, we can't be the first. I'm wondering if, buried deep within the dark and musty depths of the ANI archives or the Arbcom archives, is there a case of an editor making a "joke" tag and then actually trying to use it to get away with hurling a bit of nastiness around? One of these days, I'll put on my fedora, strap on my whip and go spelunking for answers, I think. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 04:34, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
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:::::::{{ping|MjolnirPants}} "who, in the grips of a red-hot, raging butthurt would think to try to avoid a block for insulting someone? No-one." Wanna bet? There's at least one (currently blocked, I think) editor who used to write things like, "This is a [[asshole|really interesting article]] for you to look at." --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 00:14, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::::{{u|NeilN}}, I want to act shocked, but I've been on the internet before. Did they actually argue that that wasn't a personal attack?
::::::::<small>For future reference, if I ever say something that implies there is a minimum level of intelligence which is universal in humans; No. I'm not willing to bet on it.</small>
:::::::::{{ping|MjolnirPants}} Yes, they said something like, "What? I just linked to an article they might be interested in." --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 02:59, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::::{{u|EEng}} I think it might say something about me that I '''just''' noticed that you actually used that template to call me a fuckface. I'm not willing to hazard a guess as to what it says. Feel free to speculate. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 01:30, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

== A beer for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Export hell seidel steiner.png|70px]]
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For making me laugh out loud with [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FAaron_Ozee&type=revision&diff=768163848&oldid=768160879 this]&nbsp;and [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Aaron_Ozee&diff=768217118&oldid=768215420 this]. Well played, sir. ''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 14:19, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
|}

*I've seriously considered the possibility that everything he "writes" is computer-generated. It's like he's paid by the word. I'm also tickled by the "Greetings, Earthlings!" flavor here [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=767443449]. Have you visited [[User:EEng#s|The Museums]]? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:34, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::I have now! I like the way your mind works. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 16:10, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::I guess I should stop baiting the army of ipsocks - you can almost see how he cringes at having his own words fed back to him.... but it's not worth risking a 3rr violation. It has cheered me right up, though. Hopefully some admin will close the afd soon and put the article out of its misery. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 18:57, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure what you're talking about. This back and forth as we home in on a subset of the subject's publications which concisely reflect his artistic outlook is Wikipedia collaboration at its best. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 19:30, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{fbdb}} Come now, EEng, you know that you are a master baiter! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:19, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::That {{t|fbdb}} sure comes in handy, doesn't it? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 22:21, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::If it's in your hand, then yes! By the way, I just noticed that one of your categories, just below, turned into an italic font, and thus: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Category:Wikipedians_who_retain_on_their_userpages_categories_which_have_been_deleted_by_consensus&curid=53287516&diff=768289034&oldid=767567657]. Clearly, the humor-impaired have you in their sights! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:37, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
::::::::So in this case "deletion" means that the categories are still there and in use, but if you click on a category name you go to the parent category and have to click again on the "Redirected from" link to see the actual list of pages in the category? And some editors think that making this sort of "improvement" counts as constructive activity on Wikipedia? Hmm. (By the way, EEng, your "[http://www.billybragg.co.uk/music/album.php?albumID=10&songID=38 most illegible bachelor]" joke on the Ozee AfD made me actually laugh out loud. So thanks for that.) —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 23:13, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::I can't believe you fell for the ol' "My ma and pa have been married for 35 years!" bit. I have to thank you for the "illegible bachelor", however; I'll add it to my bag of tricks. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:46, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

*Followup: You gotta hand it to him, this guy never gives up. "[http://www.aaronozee.com/2018/05/aaron-ozee-sends-copy-of-bestselling.html Aaron Ozee Sends Copy Of Bestselling Book Regulus To Queen Elizabeth ... Additional details about the delivery of the book will be released after contact is made]". "[https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-C0MaSwbAUTM/Wuz5C1RDObI/AAAAAAAAEO4/p9xsk-lZdOggimeTom1I8VkeFDoUKGQKQCEwYBhgL/s1600/Regulus%2BBuckingham%2BPalace%2BDelivery%2B-%2BHer%2BMajesty%2BThe%2BQueen%2BLetter%2B-%2BMay%2B4%252C%2B2018%2B-%2BImage%2BTwo.jpg ATTN: Her Majesty The Queen]". (No contact made so far, apparently.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:43, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

== Just one very important mention... ==
[[File:Astronaut-EVA.jpg|thumb|In space, no-one can hear you archive EEng's talk page. But it doesn't load any faster there, either.]]
[[File:The_Ladies%27_home_journal_(1948)_(14579600847).jpg |thumb| Thoughts of Julian, and Phineus prior to his becoming shish-kabob.]]
[[File:HK Central night Soho restaurant shop 1.JPG|thumb| I heard somebody stole her smartphone, and started posting all kinds of steamy stuff on some Harvard dude's talk page.]]
As a {{tps}}, I am frigging glad that I don't have to keep up with your TP posts on my cell phone. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 18:22, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
:<small>{{ping|Atsme}} In the distant past, ancient versions of the Mediawiki software skins had a stock [[RSS]] feed built into pages, so you could do just that. Meanwhile, there is an [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TwitterFeed extension to put a Twitter feed on a wiki page], but not the reverse. However, necessity is the [[Frank Zappa|mother of invention]].... [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 11:11, 10 March 2017 (UTC)</small>
::{{u|Ritchie333}}, and how exactly do we ''gage'' (no freaking pun intended!!) the level of ''necessity'' where EEng is concerned? He's off the charts, affectionally speaking. Ok, so my curiosity led me to the following discovery - a purely mathematical computation demonstrated below (and I'm no math whiz):
::Total of EEng's archives, 4 mind you, only 4 TP archives totaling 859 kB beginning with the 1st archive thread dated 13 November 2008, Thursday (8 years, 3 months, 28 days ago), and the last archive thread dated 24 October 2016, Monday (4 months, 16 days ago) which averages out to be 2 archives/YEAR. Now get a load of this...the current TP total is 1626 kB - nearly double the size of all 4 archives. I wonder if he takes the time to tie his shoes, or maybe he wears Sperry Topsiders. Regardless, I'd say the man is growing in popularity, wouldn't you? [[File:SMirC-crazy.svg|x20px|%Þ]] Gotta love it!! Cheers [[File:SMirC-wine.svg|x20px|wine]] <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:28, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Well clearly EEng is compensating for something with the size of his talk page. Mind you, ''your'' user page has you hob-nobbing with the stars on an ego trip; when are you going to put up the picture of "Sacred Betty Wills and The Pope in an audience at The Vatican", "Supreme Overlord Betty Wills with Kim Jong Il at the Best North Korean Rally in the World ever (volume 3)" and .... of course .... "Dedicated Wikipedian Betty Wills sharing a 'fun' moment with Jimbo Wales" (although who the "fun" was being had by is left as an exercise for the reader". [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:38, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I would upload them tomorrow if I could remember where I put my image archives!! I'm pretty sure my papal days date back to when I was 10 or 11, determined to become a nun. Fortunately, time wounds all heals, and the rumors about the "cloth" finally caught up and frightened a lot of parents. I really was "saved", so my aspirations went from being a patron of the church to aspirations of becoming the first female jockey at Churchill Downs. My main obstacles were the many talented male jockeys. As for Kim...I'll be kind and just say I never really liked "Gangnam Style". Now Jimbo is a different story...if he looked more like Julian Assange, we would not be having this discussion...which reminds me, I have a few words I wouldn't mind sharing with Pamela Anderson. [[File:SMirC-jealous.svg|x20px|(°₀°)]] <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 23:09, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

== Important lessons ==
[[File:Ashford Mark IV female tank 05.JPG|thumb|250px|[[Tank]]s. You're [[Wellcome Library|welcome]].]]
You may wish to take a gander at [[User talk:Robert Towers#Important Lessons Learned]], point 2 (in this case, don't call your sandbox "Eat my faaaart"). I feel the two of you may have much to talk about.... [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:59, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
:I feel you're trying to typecast me lately. There's more to me than crude humor. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 23:06, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
::I think your humour's quite intelligent, actually. Indeed, the comparison here is that this guy appeared to be writing serious computing history drafts, and got stung by admins who didn't have his sense of humour. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 23:27, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
[[File:Cat by Koryusai.jpg|thumb|right|upright=0.8|[[wikt:like shooting fish in a barrel|In the tank]]]]
:::I was just fishing for praise. Worked perfectly. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:51, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Fishing for prey? Help! Help! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:31, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
*I like this guy, especially if "How can I vandalize my own userspace?" is meant as a genuine request for assistance rather than a rhetorical question. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 23:45, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
::With regard to your edit summary here [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/?diff=770535967], I will thank you to attend to your own regardles and leave mine unmolested. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:51, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
[[File:Dunktank2.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.5|[[vaginal steaming|Drop some Rosemary into the tank.]] ]]
:::Needles to say, I will respect your wishes. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 01:08, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
::::Tank you very much. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:47, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

{{clear}}

== DYK favor ==

Could you help out with a review of [[Template:Did_you_know_nominations/George_Ronald_Richards]] I was hoping for an April 3rd DYK.&nbsp;<span class="nowrap">&mdash;አቤል ዳዊት<sup>[[Help:Multilingual support (Ethiopic)|<span class="t nihongo icon" style="color:#00e;text-decoration:none;padding:0 .1em;">?</span>]]</sup>[[User:Janweh64|(Janweh64)]] ([[User talk:Janweh64|talk]])</span> 16:34, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
:The Great and Powerful Oz will attend to your request right after breakfast. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 16:39, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For your work on [[Mark Barr]]. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 16:54, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
|}

== Start over? ==

EEng, I've been considering this for sometime. As to what I've been considering, I mean starting over. I don't like how we've generally left things between us because of how we've butted heads at the [[MOS:IMAGES]] guideline. Because of that, it now seems that there is some tension between us when we are involved in the same discussion; I don't think I'm imagining that. Anyway, I see you around often enough and appreciate the work you do. And I'd rather be on good terms with editors, unless they are the few who I have a significant tempestuous history with and I know we will never have a decent working relationship. [[User:Flyer22 Reborn|Flyer22 Reborn]] ([[User talk:Flyer22 Reborn|talk]]) 20:06, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

== MoS talk: ie, eg and etc ==

Another editor requested the discussion was made an RfC as we appeared to be going round in circles. There is some point to it, I might add, even if you do not agree. I will thank you for responding, though. --[[User:Sb2001|Sb2001]] ([[User talk:Sb2001|talk]]) 00:42, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
:"A change of this kind needs to be treated as a proper RfC and closed by a non-involved person" is what another editor said, because you seemed to be trying to close the discussion yourself with your own proposal as the conclusion. This is a nonstarter and a waste of time. Sorry, but I'm grumpy tonight and you really should have realized this by now. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:47, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

== Cake for you!! ==

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N.B. Top tip - [http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/26/article-0-1840B1E900000578-545_634x541.jpg Mary says]: "Be careful to bake on [[Gas mask|Gas Mark 4]] or below, or the [[cyanide]] may all evaporate into the icy [[Neva River]]." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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Oh, yeah - well go ahead and cake it on...but wait for the best part: the icing on the cake...yep...WAIT FOR IT....<small>and just keep waiting cuz it may never come. It needs a ''hook'' that only EEng can provide. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 19:46, 22 April 2017 (UTC)</small>

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For good sharpshooting comrade. [[User:RaRaRasputin|RaRaRasputin]] ([[User talk:RaRaRasputin|talk]]) 17:40, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
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:Da! '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:43, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

== You might be interested in... ==
[[File:Judge_Roy_Bean.jpg|thumb|[[Wikipedia:Angry Mob Noticeboard|Angry Mob Court]] presided over by [[Judge Roy Bean]] ]]
A new forum for dispute resolution that's currently under development. [[Wikipedia:Angry Mob Noticeboard]]. You know, for when you need an angry mob. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 02:11, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
:At first I thought he was kidding EEng, and then I realized the new forum will be held in the newly formed ''Angry Mob Court'' presided over by none other than [[Judge Roy Bean]]. Their main objective is to lighten the load of ArbCom. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
::{{tq|Their main objective is to lighten the load of ArbCom.}} To be fair, we're also trying to do something about the huge pitchfork and torch surplus burdening our economy lately. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 21:56, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
:::There was a time when there was a demand for pitchforks & torches; [[WalMart|Sam Walton]] couldn't keep enough in stock. Wait...Walton? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp7_u0kcQRo G'nite John Boy.] <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 23:12, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
::::<small>Goodnight, {{u|Atsme}}. Goodnight, Eeng. Goodnight, stalkers. <small>(Now, I'm resisting the urge to segue into [[Goodnight Moon]].)</small> <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 03:36, 25 April 2017 (UTC)</small>

== Cite errors at Lindbergh ==

Hola, I have fixed[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Charles_Lindbergh&diff=777030924&oldid=777025037][https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Charles_Lindbergh&diff=777032613&oldid=777030924] two cite errors you introduced[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Charles_Lindbergh&diff=761869296&oldid=761869070][https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Charles_Lindbergh&diff=761840227&oldid=761834498] in January. Months after the fact, it took me about 30 minutes to hunt them down (WikiBlame was no help for this purpose). Please watch for introduction of this type of cite error, especially when making major edits to well-cited articles. Gracias, adios. &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#AAA;">&#9742;</span>]] 21:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
:I made 170 edits which removed 25% of this badly overdetailed article, and the only thing that went wrong was that I accidentally killed two sources? I think I should get a medal. Nonetheless this vexes me, as I do try to be careful in such things. Thanks for noticing and fixing. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:12, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
::Ah, if only people got what they deserved, here and everywhere. Thanks for making 170 edits which removed 25% of that badly overdetailed article, assuming that's what happened (I haven't conducted that review). &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#AAA;">&#9742;</span>]] 07:00, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

{{od}}
Actually, turns out that was just the decrease in raw source size. I checked just now, and in terms of ''rendered text'', the reduction was to 8,200 words from 13,200, a decrease of 40%. And to my astonishment, I got almost no pushback. It was amazingly bloated. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:36, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

== May 2017 (1) ==
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:Well, clearly nothing else is helping. Desperate times call for desperate measures. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:06, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

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*Great! Last time I was only in the top '''300''' [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=707486151]. Presumably 100 of them died off after following the advice in my medical contributions. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:40, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

== "Astoundingly atrociously poor block" ==
=== May 2017 ===

<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]] You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' temporarily from editing for [[Wikipedia:Harassment|harassing]] other users. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may [[WP:Appealing a block|request an unblock]] by first reading the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. </div>{{z8}}<!-- Template:uw-hblock --> I make no comment on the merits of the point you were making, but it is never, and never will be, acceptable to call another editor [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=779175554&oldid=779172757 a disruptive prick]. --[[User:John|John]] ([[User talk:John|talk]]) 13:39, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
*'''Astoundingly atrociously poor block''' - Given the tenor and context of that ANI discussion, one would think that a bit of leeway should be provided for emotional outbursts rather than resorting straight to a punitive block.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 14:26, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
*:I agree {{u|WaltCip}} as I was far more offended by the unwarranted allegation of racism. I thought blocks were to be used to end disruption, yet in this case, it appears the disruption of changing an entire categorization norm and the unwarranted allegation of racism remains a nonissue. I am very disheartened over this block. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 14:45, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

*Sometimes some of us act like disruptive pricks, and sometimes we tell others when they do. A block can be a handy reminder to dial it back down. I know I've had a few bad blocks, too. This will pass. [[User:Dicklyon|Dicklyon]] ([[User talk:Dicklyon|talk]]) 14:49, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

::Blocking admin has always been a prick. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' the dog.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''bark''']] 15:29, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
*<s>Either myself, or the blocking admin, requires a refresher in English. Probably myself.</s> {{tq|Jrcla2 was offering a way to see what you're doing as the result of a cultural difference rather than you just being a disruptive prick}}. Where in this is EEng actually calling Djln Djln a "disruptive prick"? My reading of this is that EEng is telling Djln that Jrcla2 was suggesting an alternative explanation for Djln's inability to understand the issue that did not resort to calling Djln a "disruptive prick". The reason for EEng to bring this up is ''obviously'' the fact that Djln telling Jrcla that they are being "borderline racist" is an extremely ''prick-like'' thing to do in response to a non-prick-like explanation. On top of the fact that making mass changes to categories is (or could be readily construed as) disruptive. I.e., In other words "you're Irish and so might not understand American Football" does not deserve the response of "that's racist". I can't really think of another way to spell this out. [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]] ([[User talk:Mr rnddude|talk]]) 16:00, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

*Mr. Dude's interpretation is 100% correct (and despite WaltCip's comment, emotionalism played no part in what I posted). Like His Arbship said,
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:It's a shame this is happening on a Sunday, when so many of my glittering array of talk page stalkers are, of course, in church; think of the bon mots we're missing out on! '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:40, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::<small>Church, yeah... that'll be the [[communion wine]]... :) &mdash; [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''O Fortuna'''</span>]][[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:navy"><sup>''''' semper crescis, aut decrescis'''''</sup></span>]] 17:44, 7 May 2017 (UTC)</small>
:::Well, some are editing [https://books.google.com/books?id=hqC0ngEACAAJ Wiccapedia], of course. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:50, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

*[[User:John|John]], while I've warned EEng about inappropriate jokes in the past, if [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=779175554&oldid=779172757 this diff] is really your sole basis for a 48-hour block (I assume it is, given that it's the only diff you've offered in your block notice) it's one of the worst blocks I've ever seen. Please reconsider it—the drama of an arbcom case will waste everybody's time and the result of any such case is an utterly foregone conclusion.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:56, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks. Just to be clear, there was nothing joking in my ANI post at issue. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:22, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

*@John, This looks like a good case for you coming to this page and posting something like, "Hey EEng, [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=779175554 this] was not helpful or constructive." That would be about as effective as a surprise block, minus the extra drama. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~[[User:Awilley|Awilley]] <small>([[User talk:Awilley|talk]])</small></span> 18:37, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

[[File:QueenOfSeaThompsonKellermanIrvine.JPG|thumb|upright=1.2|Bishonen enters, stage left, to the relief of cowering talk page stalkers.]]
===Unblocked #2===
I've asked [[User:John]] to lift the block, as I think it was based on a misunderstanding — basically, I agree with [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]]'s comment [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEEng&type=revision&diff=779204539&oldid=779197376 here] — and have notified him that in case he isn't online, I'll do it myself. He doesn't seem to be, so here goes: you have been unblocked. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 17:59, 7 May 2017 (UTC).
:PS, bad ping: repinging [[User:John]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 18:00, 7 May 2017 (UTC).
::Thanks, Bishonen. ''Our sovereign lord Jimbo chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the act made in the first year of the Arbitration Committee, for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God save Jimbo!'' '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:11, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::I would say post a humorous comment at [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_review_2:_EEng this] sub-thread review of your block, but, I'm afraid of it earning you another block. Personally, I'd just leave an "'''Overturn block'''" and sign. Slightly taunting. That's just my sense of humour though. [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]] ([[User talk:Mr rnddude|talk]]) 18:16, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::::<small>Well! This has had one [[silver lining (idiom)|silver lining]] at least... after nearly eighteen months, {{u|Mr rnddude}} owns up to ''having'' a sense of humour!!! :p :D &mdash; [[User:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''O Fortuna'''</span>]][[User talk:Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi|<span style="color:navy"><sup>''''' semper crescis, aut decrescis'''''</sup></span>]] 19:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::Especially important since none of us would have noticed otherwise.{{fbdb}} '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 19:13, 7 May 2017 (UTC)</small>
*I'd of commented sooner, just got around to this (I stalk only when I see a lot of activity in a short amount of time, which usually means some of the best entertainment on Wikipedia). I read the discussion, think all people who over-categorize should be topic-banned, and finally came to your perfectly reasonable assessment of the situation and just the appropriate amount of <s>EEngness</s> EEngitude to catch the editor's attention enough for things to be better absorbed. I'd say "nice work", and we've all learned a bit more about the way all points of view have to be considered by everybody, [[Limitless (TV series)|as far as is possible]]. [[user:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] 19:00, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
::{{tq|EEngness}}: I believe the OED prefers ''EEngitude''. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 19:04, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Struck and corrected, per obscure Wikipedia policy. [[user:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] 19:16, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

=== My interpretation... ===

The following is actually how I have always related to the slang use of the word: [[Prick (slang)#Psychology]] ''The prick, in some crazy way, is feminine....The prick does not play by the rules: he (she) is a narcisstic [sic] tease who persuades by means of attraction and resistance, not by orderly systemic discourse.'' The latter interpretation is harmless and how I've always perceived its use. In fact, my fun [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Atsme/Banners#The_Triple_Crown_of_Thorns Wiki❤️ banner confirms my position], so I hope there's no chance of ''blockage'' if I use them as {{fbdb}}. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 18:15, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
:Just to be clear, I did not ''in any way'' suggest the other editor was a prick (whatever the interpretation of that). I was saying that another editor was trying hard ''not'' to do that. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:22, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

===Roxy's block===

Lost in all this is that Roxy got blocked in the crossfire. Not to canvass, but comment may be helpful at [[WP:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_review_3_and_revocation_of_talk_page_access:_Roxy_the_dog]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 19:24, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

===A reminder: gender-neutral obscenities only, please===

::''Duplicated here, for the enlightenment of those assembled, from [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=779256190 User talk:John] (where the discussion was peremptorily hatted immediately after this post):''
Do you get some sort of kick out of causing disruption by using gendered obscenities, EEng? If not, why don't you go and learn from your lucky escape instead of joking about it like it was some sort of badge of pride? Also, do you stand by your comment I highlighted in the diff above? If you do, I agree with The Rambling Man that you may quickly work up to another block. If you don't, you should reflect on what a fool you've made of yourself and the degree of disruption you have caused with your unsolicited intervention at AN/I; two blocks and one unblock, so far. --John (talk) 6:07 pm, Today (UTC−4)

:Answers:
:*{{tq|do you stand by your comment I highlighted}}: If you're talking about [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=779228760], yes I do.
:*{{tq|Do you get some sort of kick out of causing disruption by using gendered obscenities}} I take no more delight in obscenities than in any other words chosen to do their job. But I'm fascinated by this idea of ''gendered'' obscenities. I notice you didn't object to my saying, earlier in the same thread, of "Oh for fuck sake"; is that OK because you see ''fuck'' as ungendered? If so, I think that's very narrow of you: what if it's a gay male fuck? Or a lesbian fuck (if there is such a thing, I guess)? I think you need to reflect on your heterosexist biases.
:*{{tq|disruption... two blocks and one unblock}}: Well let's see... one of the blocks was the one ''you'' imposed; the unblock was an Arbcom member reversing the block after giving you time to do it yourself; and the other block was someone who got understandably pissed off at you for imposing the block which the Arbcom member reversed after giving you time to do it yourself. So really, I think the disruption's all on you.
:*{{tq|reflect on what a fool you've made of yourself}}: Speaking of reflection, look in the mirror.
:*{{tq|unsolicited intervention at AN/I}}: Is there solicited intervention at ANI? Can I get on a list???
:*{{tq|your lucky escape}}: If Trump ever needs a new press secretary, you'd be a great candidate.
:*{{tq|badge of pride}}: If there's any pride, it's at being part of a community robust enough to self-correct so promptly and decisively.
:'''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 23:16, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

*Alas, I am late, as usual, to the block party. (But no, I wasn't in church.) So, if I follow the situation correctly, it is OK to say "fuck" or "cunt" (the latter having been an entire ArbCom case a few years back), but no good to say "prick". I'm not sure that I can figure out my own thoughts on this, but I am simultaneously in agreement that it's good to be "part of a community robust enough to self-correct so promptly and decisively", and yet also wishing for more [[WP:CIVIL]]. {{facepalm}} Anyway, I'm glad about the self-correction, and sorry that it was needed in the first place. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:30, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::You and your fucking johnny-come-lately platitudes.{{fbdb}} '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:39, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Show some respect. That would be '''Dr.''' fucking johnny-come-lately to ''you''! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:44, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::::You didn't say {{fbdb}} so don't be surprised if some prick comes by and blocks you. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::I wouldn't even be surprised if some block pricked me. Is that the same thing as a cock-block? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 01:02, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::You scintillate tonight. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:06, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks. As long as I don't glow in the dark. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 01:09, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

=== May 2017 (3) ===

<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> [[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]] You have been astoundingly atrociously '''[[cockblock]]ed''' for [[Donald Trump|pussy-grabbing]] other users. Once the cockblock has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make welcome advances]]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be uncockblocked, you may [[WP:Appealing a block|request an uncockblock]] by first reading the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to unappealing cockblocks]], then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|fbdb|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. </div>
--[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 01:19, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

:PS: Check out the hatnote at the top of [[Cockblock]]. It's museum-worthy! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 9:21 pm, Today (UTC−4)
::Honestly, I think that the behaviour of a few admins involved here was completely unacceptable (and to think we nearly had a [[WP:WHEEL]] situation too). I just read the hatnote, however, and it made me laugh. Anyway, there we have it - another block for your hall of fame, eh EEng? {{fbdb}} [[User:Patient Zero|'''Patient Zero''']]<sup>[[User talk:Patient Zero|'''talk''']]</sup> 13:14, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

=== ''Guerre des roues'' ===
[[File:Anton Romako 001.jpg|thumb|upright=1|Admins wheeling]]
An admin is threatening another admin with a block! [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=779283928]

Like us on Facebook or follow the discussion on [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=779288139#May_2017 Twitter and Instagram]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:05, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

[[File:Rube Goldberg's "Self-Operating Napkin" (cropped).gif|thumb|center|upright=1.4|Diagram showing interrelationship of noticeboard discussions, userpage discussion, relevant block logs, and so on]]

===Pricks and ruffled feathers===
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|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 2px;" | [[File:Caribbean_parakeets_(Aratinga_pertinax).jpg|frameless|upright=0.7]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" |<center>'''How To Avoid Pricks'''<br/>
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When you land in a place that is prickly at best,<br>
And feathers get ruffled{{snd}}you've disturbed someone's nest;<br>
Be cautious when offering friendly advice, <br>
Or you'll suddenly find your two orbs in a vise.<br>
Lessons are learned, but to do so takes practice,<br>
To avoid getting pricked when you land on a cactus.<br></center>
{{P|grin}} <font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font><sup>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup>
|}

*Could be worse: your prick could land on the cactus, I guess. Did you write that yourself? [[James J. Montague|It's really good]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:25, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, thank you. I also shot the scene with the parakeets, which took place about 50 ft. from my window...and heard the sounds that accompany the ruffled feathers as the birds played their ''game of thorns''. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 04:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Oops, yes, I realized it was your pic and meant to compliment you on it. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 05:29, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::Oh, my - I didn't mean to come across as 🎣 for a compliment but thank you! I was actually eluding to the sounds of squawking Caribbean parakeets with their feathers ruffled which can be quite loud and boisterous...not unlike {{u|MjolnirPants|whistle britches'}} recent outburst. [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tryptofish&diff=779382209&oldid=779381507] <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::::I just want to point out how easy it is, all things considered, to misread this last comment. "Oops, yes, I realized it was your p<small style="color:#b0b0b0;">r</small>ic<small style="color:#b0b0b0;">k</small> and meant to compliment you on it." <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MjolnirPants|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 15:29, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::Well as we've seen, we get some of the best pricks Wikipedia has to offer dropping in here from time to time. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:59, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::As well as some masterful baiting of some deserving admins, by Wikipedia's many master baiters. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:29, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::Close enough for government work. Hardban him.--[[User:WaltCip|WaltCip]] ([[User talk:WaltCip|talk]]) 16:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::<span class="plainlinks">[http://ohno.es/67076403.jpg Oh noes!]</span> <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MjolnirPants|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 16:47, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::My talk page is like ''Garp'' come to life. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 16:46, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::<small>THE [[T.S. Garp]], or [[Garp]] (pick one)?</small> <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:57, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::In that it contains [[The World According to Garp|a great deal of lunacy and sorrow?]] <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MjolnirPants|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 16:49, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Of course. OK now, party's over. Back to editing! `'''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 16:59, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::And back to archiving your talk page – much appreciated! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:29, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::No, EEng's talk page has passed beyond "annoyingly large" and moved into "awesomely large" territory. The time for archiving has long since passed. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MjolnirPants|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 21:35, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::See that? Start a talk section about pricks, and the discussion goes quickly to size. But no, it's actually "awesomely annoying". --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:39, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::::Dickwins Law? <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 01:51, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Do you know how I know there's no hope for humanity? Because we went through this entire thread without a single chance to make a good "[[that's what she said]]" joke. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 02:30, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::{{od}} There's still time...<sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 04:35, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::That's what she said. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 04:43, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

===Get thee behind me, Satan!===
For anyone out there who does not believe temptation is placed in our paths to test us, please consider that there is, right now{{snd}}today of all days{{snd}}[https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=779463025#RHB100_and_GPS_article_.28again.29 an ANI thread] centered on [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=306319984 this user]. Talk about potential for gendered obscenities! '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:01, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

== Museums ==

Given your interest in museums, you might be entertained by the wonderful ''[[The Museum of Curiosity]]''! [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 15:37, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
:Thanks! It's things like that that make me feel sometimes that I should just move to England. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 16:28, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
::But you might not want to move to [[Icelandic Phallological Museum|Iceland]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:36, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Hmmm...looks like the [[Ice Queen (song)|Ice Queen]] has already been there. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:16, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

== X-day/week "embargo" on articles on breaking-news topics ==
::''For those in a hurry, I've taken the liberty of putting the proposal highlights in bold.'' -- '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]'''
Have you made your 3-month proposal anywhere? If you haven't started an RFC about it somewhere, then I guess the first thing to do would be to figure out where the RFC ought to be located, and whether similar ideas have already been rejected.[[User:Anythingyouwant|&#32;Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 17:35, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{U|Anythingyouwant}}, I really do think it would be highly salutary, but it would be a ''seismic'' shift in policy. If a number of very respected editors got behind it informally, and work out some details (like what counts as being out of the headlines, so to speak) then we could propose it formally. But I'm not holding my breath. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 23:38, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
::There could simply be a rule that no article at Wikipedia can rely upon any source that is less than three months old, except to update information that is outdated.[[User:Anythingyouwant|&#32;Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 01:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Well, I don't think we want to forbid an article on a new asteroid or something. Maybe it's things in certain topic areas? What we'd be trying to prevent, I guess I know it when I see it, but it's hard to define. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 06:39, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
::::Randomly chiming in here: the topic areas this proposal should affect, in my opinion, is politics and crimes. Too many times do I see hastily made articles all revolving around these areas of interest as soon as the ink dries in the presses. I do not believe crimes, in this context, should extend to terrorist attacks. Some editors may be turned off by the 3-month time period, others by how to go about policing this policy. But I believe you have a truly brilliant idea going on here; hopefully, this is pursued further. I offer you my support![[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]]) 07:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
::::: It might be helpful to choose a sample set of articles as test cases, or imagine hypothetical articles. I was considering the case of a trial with political implications where the defendant is acquitted – not reporting the acquittal for three months would not be ideal.
::::: The nature, frequency and quantity of news has changed so much in the last decade I wonder whether this is a solution to that problem or a band aid. Or maybe a solution to a problem distinct from this other problem. Whichever it is some solution is necessary. The short-term and long-term effects of editors using breaking news articles to shape perception and even reporting in some cases are significant, not only in terms of disruption but it attracts exactly the wrong kind of editor. [[User:James J. Lambden|James J. Lambden 🇺🇸]] ([[User talk:James J. Lambden|talk]]) 16:43, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
:Three months is excessive, but a cool-off period of 3 days on creating articles based on political "breaking news" would be most welcome. That would help "break" the tyranny of the headline-grabbing news cycle. Asteroids are apolitical, so astronomers are safe. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 08:16, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
::Followed from ANI, but it sounds like a reasonable idea. I have seen so many articles pop up within hours of breaking news only to be abandoned within a week or two. Generally though the initial AFD it is all the historic significance of this or that, we MUST keep it etc etc etc. Then dead. Three days sounds a lot easier to swallow and get people to agree to I think, perhaps even up to five but might be a bit much. BTW [[Chelyabinsk meteor]] would disagree with you. Clearly the asteroid was working with Obama to attack the Russians. [[User:PackMecEng|PackMecEng]] ([[User talk:PackMecEng|talk]]) 14:03, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Damn right, asteroids are unfairly biased towards Russia: [[1007 Pawlowia]], [[1059 Mussorgskia]], [[1074 Beljawskya]], [[1094 Siberia]], and when we go land on a comet, it has to be [[67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko]]… [[Rasputin (song)|Rhâââ, those Russians!]] — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 15:36, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
::::Three months, it said. I warmed up my snotty responses for this, then discovered (after waiting for this page to load, and scrolling for hours) that it isn't block related. It ''is'' the basis of a good idea though. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' the dog.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''bark''']] 15:51, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

*I think of this idea as a temporary "embargo" on creating an article on new topic. The idea is to avoid the huge waste -- in terms of editor time, frequent ANI visits, AfD disputes, sockpuppetry, etc. -- that often comes with editing an articles during the initial period when there's new stuff coming out all the time, arguments about conflicting sources, high emotions, and so on.
:*My original idea was that something would need to be "out of the headlines" for a stated period before we start an article on it. This way, lots of sources are available, erroneous "breaking news" reports which turn out not to be true are in better perspective. I don't quite see how to define that though. For American topics of national interest, this might mean something like there's been no front-page story on it in the NYT or Washington Post or [insert more here] for X weeks. This would have to be carefully defined if endless arguments are to be avoided.
:*'''So here's another idea, weaker but much easier to define. How about if an article on topic X is embargoed until the initial sources are at least time=T old? That doesn't mean the topic's not still in the headlines but at least it will have some maturity and perspective, and notability issues will be much clearer. How about that? If T was even ten days that might help immensely.'''

:'''Imagine all the trouble that would have been saved if the Comey article was just being started now. And who is served by an instant article on the first day something like that happens? A mess of conflicting claims and quotes from various people, first unbalanced one way, then the other. Our readers could turn on CNN for that. We're an encyclopedia for the ages, not today's news. That's why Wikinews is a separate project.'''

:Here's another example. Sometime in the next 48 hours someone's gonna create an article with a title like "Proposed impeachment of Donald Trump". Now, I have little doubt such an article will be created some day. But what will the edit history and Talk page of such an article look like if it was started today? And how, in these first ten days, would such an article serve our readers any better than reading the news? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 16:27, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
::
::<small>You're ''way'' behind the curve—[[Efforts to impeach Donald Trump|that article's existed since before he even took office]].&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 16:57, 18 May 2017 (UTC)</small>
:::One day I am gong to write the essay [[WP:TRUMPSCANDALAFD]], because its basically guaranteed at this point. NOTNEWS has no teeth anymore, and while Wikinews exists, I'm under the impression that it is basically dead. I personally would very strongly support some sort of pause-period that would avoid TRUMPSCANDALAFD, but the fact that many of these articles are snow kept even when they are in horrible shape suggests to me that we aren't likely to get consensus for it. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 17:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
::::I see my impeachment example was ill-chosen, because it's too diffuse a topic. I think the idea makes the most sense for "event" articles like Comey's firing, disappearing airplanes, and so on. Let's keep brainstorming. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

{{od}}To help with the [[Friendly AI|brainstorm]], here are some recent examples:
* [[Comey memos]] – Knee-jerk fork from [[Dismissal of James Comey]] about one or several memos that nobody has seen. It was almost created before newspaper editors had a time to collect their thoughts (see [[Talk:Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections#Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation]]: {{tq|Good grief. This will be in all the relevant RS by tomorrow.}}). Wild speculation on their serious consequences ensues. [[Efforts to impeach Donald Trump|Impeach him!]] Prose could have remained in the dismissal article; instead it gets repeated in the Trump and Comey bios, in the presidency article, in the dismissal article and in the dedicated memo(s) article.
* [[2017 Mexico–United States diplomatic crisis]] – Hastily created in the heat of testy exchanges between two North American presidents at the end of January, one of them performing a [[rage quit]] (oh joy, a [[WP:Articles for creation|red link]]!). Nothing happened since. Article is dangling, with a feeble attempt to shoehorn some minor thing in February, that not even the [[Lügenpresse]] calls a "crisis".
* [[Tim Nolan (Trump campaign official)]] – Dude was arrested for child trafficking and assorted sex crimes, obviously doesn't meet [[WP:PERPETRATOR]] notability standards for criminals, but lo and behold, he once supported Trump so he gets his [[15 minutes of fame]] and the AfD mob is tending towards a strong keep, because reasons. With a three-day cool-down period, I bet this scumb** would have remained in well-deserved obscurity.
* …and my favourite one today: [[Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections#McCarthy–Ryan conversation about Trump being on Putin's payroll]] (a mouthful) plus its edit war discussion at [[Talk:Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections#Why the removal of "McCarthy–Ryan conversation about Trump being on Putin's payroll"?]], complete with bad-faith reverts, personal attacks and ''ad hoc'' survey.
'''In summary, my hunch would be to suggest a 3-day ban on creating new articles based on "[[WP:TNT|breaking news]]" in the political domain. People could still add such stuff in existing articles, but at least they would get some eyeballs to evaluate [[WP:DUE|due weight]], and we might avoid AfD drama, link-spamming of navboxes or See also sections in dozens of marginally related articles, and monstrous cleanup tasks when finally the pile of rambling "he said-she said" quotes has to be sorted and summarized into something vaguely encyclopedic and readable (while being accused of censorship). Another bonus: existing articles on controversial subjects are often restricted to some degree, whereas new articles are a free-for-all until an admin wakes up and slaps an 1RR/DS restriction which nobody understands, and we spend more time explaining the sanctions than editing or even arguing the merits of the edits...''' Thoughts? Choice of venue? Popcorn? — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 23:43, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
{{collapse top|title=Collapse complaints from someone who (and I am not making this up) thinks I'm part of a conspiracy to suppress or soft-pedal anti-Trump material. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EEng|contribs]]) 17:20, 20 May 2017 (UTC)</small>}}
::::::Gee, all of these "recent examples" have to do with, wait for it, wait for it, wait for it... news stories which make Trump look bad! Holy crap what an amazing coincidence! A suspicious person might get the idea that the purpose behind this proposal is NOT to actually address any existing problem on Wikipedia, but rather to prevent the media reports on the Trump presidency from being written about on Wikipedia, for as long as possible. I mean that would explain a lot, but, you know, AGF and all, I'm sure nobody would be that cynical, so this correlation between the proposal and the news-that-makes-Trump-look-bad must be just a coincidence! [[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 21:37, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::: Hey {{u|Volunteer Marek|Marek}} cut it out with the ABF snark, will you? During campaign season, there were plenty such "breaking news" about Hillary Clinton's alleged misdeeds or disease or whatnot and they damn well shouldn't have gotten their own article either. Shit doesn't care which way the wind blows. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 08:11, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::: But that's exactly the point JFG. You weren't running around demanding that we "embargo" news stories when Clinton was in the news, where you? If I'm wrong about that, my apologies. If I'm right than my ABF snark stands.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 15:53, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::{{ping|Volunteer Marek}} Your "evidence" is circumstantial at best. Nothing is ever as black-and-white as chronic ABF-failers make them out to be. The world just ain't that simple. ABF is nothing more than hyper-cynicism, a tendency to suspect foul play when there is <u>any</u> explanation that could justify the suspicion. The community has done everything possible to prevent this kind of thinking and set the bar higher, as evidenced in the first bullet of the nutshell at [[WP:AGF]]. You are not even close to the '''clear evidence''' required there. I don't know whether the instigator of this initiative has a rep for Trump POV-pushing (have you shown that?), but I know damn well I don't and I don't think many of the others interested in this do either. Now try to get a grip and stop it, please. No stick ever needed dropping more. &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">&#9742;</span>]] 16:25, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::Get a grip is right, {{U|Volunteer Marek}}. It seems impossible that there can be anyone in the project who thinks I'm trying to protect Trump [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=750398948#EEng]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:20, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::I do not think that at all and nowhere have I said that. I *do* think that the reason why JFG (and a couple others) are so gung ho on this proposal IS because they're annoyed by all the Trump-looks-bad stories that have come out recently. How else do you explain his ... peculiar, choice of examples? They're all exactly what I say they are - recent Trump-looks-bad news stories. You? I think your intentions are good and noble, but yeah, these guys are trying to use you. Anyway, since this has no chance in hell of succeeding, that's all from me.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 21:18, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::I don't care what their motives are. Trump looks like an incompetent narcissistic idiot whether an article on something he's done appears right away or three days later. So our only question is whether we're going to squander the substantial resources sucked up during those first three days, or conserve them. (Please note that I'm not saying Trump's an incompetent narcissistic idiot, just that he ''looks like'' an incompetent narcissistic idiot.) '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 21:39, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
{{od}} {{re|Volunteer Marek}} Your recurring [[WP:aspersions|aspersions]] are disappointing. For the record, I spent countless hours defending the primary season pages of both Democratic and Republican parties against vandals and sneaky bad-faith editors, and I have dozens of witnesses who appreciated my work then. At that time, the most aggressive were Bernie Bros spewing all kinds of nonsense theories against an imagined cabal of paid Hillary shills. So, the examples I choose today are Trumpian because that's what shows up on the radar. Rewind a year to springtime 2016 and I'd be busy whacking a different set of moles. <small>Apologies to {{u|EEng}} for bludgeoning his neatly-collapsed thread, but [[John Cage (character)|I won't stand to be disparaged]].</small> — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 23:01, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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:::::<small>In spite of the fact that we have [[WP:NOTNEWS]], I have long been bothered by the same things, and I think this would be a very good idea. So now, I'm going to rain on the parade. Never gonna happen. There are simply too many other users who will show up at an RfC and say no! no! because they love to do instant news edits, plus all the others who never like anything that would be a change. It will never get consensus. Just won't. But I'll take you up on the popcorn. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:56, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
::::::I agree it's a longshot, but let's not give up the ship right off. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC)</small>
[[File:Courting cranes.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|Dancing cranes]]
[[File:Alone Bird.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|Dancing Bishonen]]
:::::::<small>[[Hear, hear!]] — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 00:53, 19 May 2017 (UTC)</small>
:'''So would we define breaking news as "all sources which form the basis of the topic's notability are less than X days old"? (Let's keep the X flexible for now.)''' '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:34, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
::You phrased it best! — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 00:53, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
*Another argument favouring such a cool-off period: in the heat of the news cycle, as mere mortals feverishly scan their TV while editing, reporters who missed the initial scoop come and pickup further clues on Wikipedia, resulting in a fertile breeding ground for [[citogenesis]]. Very hard to track down in the brouhaha, although I'm pretty sure it happened. [[Optimist (dinghy)|Optimists]] call it [[Quackery|collective intelligence]]… — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 01:07, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
::That's a great additional point. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
*Pinging a coupla random wise people for their thoughts. (I'd like to start the discussion small, so this is a random subset that comes to mind -- don't be offended if I left you out.) {{u|Iridescent}}, {{u|Bishonen}}, {{u|Drmies}}, {{u|Dweller}}. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 15:55, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

*Wise..? Sorry, I hardly ever engage with news articles, and besides, I'd feel like [https://sv.wiktionary.org/wiki/som_en_sparv_i_tranedansen a sparrow dancing with the cranes] in that company. Take it, [[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]]! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 16:26, 19 May 2017 (UTC).
*:Well, I seldom engage in such articles either, but we all see/deal with the fireworks related to them at the noticeboards. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:13, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
*:(<small>I will never look at sparrows the same way again, alas!</small>) There are more urgent things that need to be improved with the way Wikipedia operates than putting a time delay on political news articles (see my user page). But I agree that when a Wikipedia article is at the top of Google News, there is enormous pressure encouraging some editors to be amateur opinion journalists here at Wikipedia. Even for longstanding Wikipedia articles, such pressure is often evident, but it gets magnified a hundred fold for new newsy articles. A time delay might make things a bit more boring behind the scenes at Wikipedia, but sometimes boring is good (just ask Elon Musk!).[[User:Anythingyouwant|&#32;Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 17:01, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
::<small> Nice little point to the boring company ;(') [[User:L3X1|<small>d.g.</small> L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>(distant write)</small>]] 21:26, 19 May 2017 (UTC) </small>
*My no-traction contribution to this area, not complete overlap: [[Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 20#Delay on coverage of major events]]. &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">&#9742;</span>]] 20:18, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
::Great minds think alike. Well, let's see what others say. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 20:28, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

*I saw this unfold and wanted to wait a bit to see what other had to say before weighing in. Here's my opinion: Wikipedia is not the news because it does not give a hoot about Homicide #17 of Oklahoma City, the lorry that overturned on the M6, or the three hoodlums who skipped school and are now raking leaves in the park. Wikipedia rights about whatever is notable. [[2016 Ohio State University attack|When the stabbings happened at]] Ohio State, I didn't read any other opinion piece from what we call the news service, I read our article on it (granted, it was 18 hours old by the time I got around to it). James Comey's dismissal is definitely notable, and so was [[Brexit]] and [[Deepwater Horizon]]. Putting a delay in creation that is longer than a reasonable 48 hours does not do an ounce (kg if you're metric) of good. I feel that if anything should be proposed, it should be a 30 day deletion insurance: If an article with a credible hint of notability (think A7) is created and does not qualify for any speedy deletion criteria (e.g. Attack page, advertising, gibberish) and has at least ''X'' reliable sources at the bottom, it may not be nominated for deletion for at least a month. Something like that. Remember when United Express (exercised their rights) threw David Dao off the 3411? AE3411 ended up being notable, and Dao was deleted. By trying to enforce NOTNEWS while being oblivious to the world going crazy over the situation, they nominators basically ensured a Keep !outcome and took up a lot of time that could have been spent improving the article. About now is the time to check for SUSTAINED, and to nominate the articles if those editors still desire. And they all went on to SNOW uphold at DelReview as well (quite predictable, and a little bludgeony given the number of proper editors who !voted) Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and notable events are covered here. (I notice Danielle "cash me ousside" Bregoni has a redirect and no article). TLDR: if its notable it stays, and AfD should be forbidden under specific circumstances to prevent time wasting. Thats what I think. [[User:L3X1|<small>d.g.</small> L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>(distant write)</small>]] 21:55, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

===Shaping a proposal===
Taking into account both this thread and the parallel thread at ANI, there's at least ''some'' hope for ''some'' version of ''some''thing like this getting ''some'' serious consideration. Who would like to be pinged when I'm ready to start seriously shaping a proposal (which might be a week+ from now)? Add your <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> (three ~s) below, please. Pinging {{u|Drmies}}, {{u|Softlavender}}, {{u|Ritchie333}}, {{U|David Eppstein}} to see if they can be tempted into helping. ''Others, feel free to ping in others you think can help.'' '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:12, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

'''''I-want-to-be-pinged list:'''''
* [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup>
* [[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]])
* [[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 02:22, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
* [[User:L3X1|<small>d.g.</small> L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>(distænt write)</small>]] [[Special:Contributions/L3X1|<small>)evidence(</small>]] 02:47, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
* [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]])
* [[User:El_C|El_C]] 02:51, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
*<sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup>
*~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup>
* &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">&#9742;</span>]]
* [[User:K.e.coffman|K.e.coffman]] ([[User talk:K.e.coffman|talk]]) 04:39, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
* &mdash; <tt>[[User:Rhododendrites|<span style="font-size:90%;letter-spacing:1px;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px Indigo;">Rhododendrites</span>]] <sup style="font-size:80%;">[[User_talk:Rhododendrites|talk]]</sup></tt> \\
* ''(Next pygmee)''
*

==== Choice of venue? ====
Where should this generic proposal be submitted? In closing the ANI thread, {{u|NeilN}} suggested [[WP:VPP]]. Thoughts? I'm not familiar with proposing site-wide RfCs. Hopefully it doesn't end up at [[WP:PERENNIAL]]. My hunch would be to suggest this in a limited-scope subject area, such as US politics, so the community could ascertain its effectiveness on real-life cases without disturbing the bulk of Wikipedia. Is there a venue for this? [[WT:WikiProject Politics/American politics]] perhaps? That place looks strangely inactive. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 02:59, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
:I guess Village Pump, but let's worry about that after we know what we want to propose. I'd like to do this here, "between friends", before widening the circle. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:08, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
::I'll wait until there's a fleshed out proposal before I offer an opinion, but I did want to comment to say VPP is really the ''only'' possible venue (short of a specialized RfC page that is cross-posted to [[WP:CENT]], [[WP:VPP]], etc - a CENT posting will also be needed). Anything less public than VPP doesn't have the broad reach necessary to change something as well-grounded in broad community consensus as our base notability guidelines. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small><sub>13</sub></small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 03:23, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
:::[[WP:VPP]] sounds like a good idea. I was originally thinking [[Wikipedia talk:Notability (events)]], but VPP would probably attract a wider audience. [[User:K.e.coffman|K.e.coffman]] ([[User talk:K.e.coffman|talk]]) 04:39, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

===Resuming discussion===
::''Feel free to continue constructive conversation here. For the moment, please let's just skip comments which only say it's a bad idea, will never be adopted, etc. None of that can be known until there's an actual proposal to discuss.''
::''I'm pretty busy for the next couple of <s>weeks</s><u>months</u>, so it may be some time before I can give this the attention it deserves in order to develop a viable proposal. I'm the meantime I'm gratified by the thought being put into the discussion, which will help make whatever we come up with as good as possible.'' '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]'''

* This 3-day proposal that is starting to take shape may actually make [[WP:NOTNEWS]] a legitimate policy again. Has anyone else noticed that the main arguments at AfDs for new political or crime-based articles are usually defended with [[WP:RUSH]]? It defeats the very foundation of NOTNEWS because keep voters claim sources will soon arise which, by the way, also conflicts with [[WP:CRYSTALBALL]]. '''With three days, sources that ''may'' exist will ''actually'' exist.''' [[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]]) 02:10, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
::Indeed, that's another great argument to ensure consistency of purpose: inform readers, be neutral, and dare I say combat rampant tabloïdism. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 02:34, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
* '''BREAKING''': Look, another "breaking news" turned into a stub within minutes: [[Russian Intercepts on Michael Flynn]]. Sorry, I pushed that to AfD. Why can't people just edit existing articles such as [[Michael T. Flynn]] or [[Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections]]? The thing was spammed into the main Trump sidebar for good measure…[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Template:Donald_Trump_series&diff=781251690&oldid=781251516] {{facepalm}}
:This is a perfect illustration of the usefulness of the proposed cool-down period: press writes a story, editor creates article, spams it into visible places, regulars take notice, some open an AfD, others "enrich" the piece by coatracking every possible related subject. Meanwhile the same news story is copied into said related subjects. Several talk page discussions get started in parallel, replete with [[WP:PA]], [[WP:LAWYER]]S and [[WP:ABF]], then a week later some poor souls will pick up the crumbs and clean up the mess while dodging calls of censorship or [[WP:TEND]]initis. If such a proposal ever has a chance to pass, the time to act is now. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 02:31, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
::''If an article is created within 24 hours of it first being reported by a major agency, it will have 24 hours of FULL dropped on it.'' Howzabout that? [[User:L3X1|<small>d.g.</small> L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>(distænt write)</small>]] [[Special:Contributions/L3X1|<small>)evidence(</small>]] 02:50, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
:::No, that would just freeze it in an arbitrary state. Better to have nothing at all for a period.

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*I'll be '''opposing''' this proposal, beit 3 months or 3 days—I want Wikipedia to be ''up-to-date,'' and even with all the trouble, an artificial cool-down period seems like a detriment to the project's reputation. I realise the current political climate in the US is a lot, but a pivotal shift in policy is not the way to respond to that. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 02:51, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
::What part of {{tq|For the moment, please let's just skip comments which only say it's a bad idea, will never be adopted, etc. None of that can be known until there's an actual proposal to discuss}} do you not understand? If you think the only question is "3 months or 3 days" they you obviously didn't read the discussion above -- in fact, you didn't even read the bolded bits. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:01, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
:::I read and I understood it, I just disagree. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 03:16, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
::::Uh huh. And {{tq|For the moment, please let's just skip comments which only say it's a bad idea, will never be adopted, etc. }}? I guess you just disagree with that too, it seems. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:21, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
* This whole cooling off period is counter-productive to building an encyclopedia. You want people to edit this site and they edit stuff that they are interested. Right now, this stuff with Trump is hot. Will that mean that a few articles get created that shouldn't? Absolutely and there is a tool for that: [[WP:AFD]]. However, having a lot of editors focused on a subject that is likely to be of historic importance (e.g. Russian interference in the US election), sure makes it easier for that editor 5 to 10 years down the road to make a [[WP:FA]]. Moreover, getting what are very likely historic but current events in as good as shape as possible will only help the reader today. Don't fix what isn't broken My 2 cents.[[User:Casprings|Casprings]] ([[User talk:Casprings|talk]])
::Oh for god's sake, could you at least have read my plea at the top of this thread before commenting? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:38, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
::{{re|Casprings}} If you're motivated by building possibly a [[WP:FA]] "5 to 10 years down the road", then surely you can wait 2-3 days to get started. Or to push the "breaking historic news" into the lead of related articles. We can't judge what will be historical while we have our noses rubbed in today's mush. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 08:30, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
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*I agree with TGS about our NOTNEWS policy which may well make [[Russian Intercepts on Michael Flynn]] a candidate for prod or even G11 when stacked with [[WP:BLPCRIME]], [[WP:BREAKING]] and BLP policy overall. It's very disconcerting to see the frenzy, and it may very well clear a path for the same thing to start happening with the Clinton investigations et al. Lawdy, things are bad enough now trying to clear the [[WP:NPR]] backlog. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 03:32, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
::::<sup>And I'll add, there's real breaking news regarding [[Anthony Weiner sexting scandals]] - WaPo, CNN, LA Times, etc. published earlier today that he pleaded guilty, but it has gone unnoticed in WP. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/05/19/anthony-weiner-disgraced-former-congressman-expected-to-plead-guilty-today-in-sexting-case-involving-minor/] I think it demonstrates that proposed waiting period for breaking news shouldn't be an issue, and that the motivation to create "breaking news" stubs may be political which isn't helpful to the project. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 03:57, 20 May 2017 (UTC)</sup>
:::::<small>Well, nobody can control which subject attracts the creativity of WP editors… We can't deal with politically-motivated smear jobs by blocking Tendentious Faction 1 on odd days, and Tendentious Faction 2 on even days. With the cool-down proposal, it doesn't matter which way the wind blows: readers and curators alike would get back a precious part of their sanity and life-wiki balance. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 08:20, 20 May 2017 (UTC)</small>
* Note on historical value of news – Our colleague {{u|Casprings}} made the following argument over at the previous thread:
::{{talkquote| Many of the articles created quickly after "breaking news" will likely be important 10 years from now. These include [[Dismissal of James Comey]], [[Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections]], and [[Donald Trump's disclosure of classified information to Russia]]. }}
:The key point about breaking news is that we can't judge today whether they will be historically significant. History has a pesky tendency to erase the details and focus on the essentials. So with those example, I bet that the [[WP:10YT]] situation would have "Dismissal" as a section of the [[James Comey]] article, "Russian interference" renamed either [[Events leading to Donald Trump's impeachment]] or [[Great Russian Hysteria of 2016–2017]] (depending how history actually unfolds), and the "disclosure" article merged into a couple sentences of that one. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 08:58, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
::Well, first there has to be verifiable evidence that a crime has been committed per [[WP:V]], especially when a BLP is the topic. Politically motivated breaking news that cites anonymous sources could damage the credibility of the project if it turns out to be unsupported or fake news for bait & click. Our job is to make sure [[WP:V]] and [[WP:NPOV]] have been satisfied. Example: the breaking news about Weiner clearly has staying power - the man pleaded guilty so we're not dealing with allegations from anonymous sources. The only question at this point is whether or not he'll serve time and for how long. Politically based allegations disguised as "breaking news" which are obviously published by propagandists using anonymous sources can easily turn out to be an effort to boost ratings and/or increase click revenue. At the very least, if "breaking news" is going to remain in the WP landscape, a waiting period makes sense as does enforcement of our PAGs regarding such information. The main objective should be to preserve the credibility of the project and reduce the potential of unsustainable activity at AfD and ANI. Question - would it help, if it is even possible, to automatically direct articles into draft space that involve allegations of crime or are considered "breaking news", especially that which is politically motivated and includes information that fails V? I know there's a template for breaking news that should be used, but rarely is. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 15:12, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Here's one more example of a [[WP:RECENT]], [[WP:TOOSOON]], [[WP:NOT#NEWS]] article:
* [[2017 United States-Saudi Arabia arms deal]] should be a paragraph in [[Saudi Arabia–United States relations]]. Interestingly, even a supporter of the article in the inevitable [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 United States-Saudi Arabia arms deal|AfD debate]] says: {{tq|I think this article should've been created in another two weeks. Or a month. But the notability of this arms deal is clearly significant. Deleting this particular article is pointless.}} And here we hit the crux of our modest proposal: if the arms deal gets more coverage in the next weeks or months, it may be spun off as its own article, but if it remains a one-day news story, then it will have been properly documented in the relevant article from the onset, and a lot of editor time and content duplication will have been saved. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 11:10, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

*You'll likely have more luck getting this adopted if you add a list of exceptions. Example: A story that appears above the fold in every major world newspaper. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 03:36, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
::Let me say in passing that, even though this effort is temporarily dormant (see next ===-section below), people are welcome to add thoughts which may help in fashioning a proposal. Now then... Your suggestion seems to concern mostly the idea (mentioned somewhere above) that a short embargo will help put notability in better perspective, and in particular avoid starting articles on topics which turn out to be flashes in the pan. (Your point, I assume, is that if it's above the fold on most major newspapers, it's almost certainly notable -- and I agree with that.)

::But notability isn't the main point of an embargo. The main point is that the reporting of breaking news is often chaotic in the extreme, especially in the early days. The point of the embargo is to give the reporting a bit of time to settle down, so things can be a little bit in perspective, early spurious reports can be weeded out, etc. Take a look at the first version of ''2017 Resorts World Manila attack'', started 9 hours ago [https://wiki.riteme.site?oldid=783349411]. It reads: {{tq|On June 1, 2017, [[Resorts World Manila]] in the Philippines was the subject of a terrorist attack initially believed to be perpetrated by [[ISIS|Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant]]}}. Well, that wasn't true. What good does such an article do the reader? In fact, right on the Talk page is the following thread:
:::{{tq|1=Has anyone actually read that this may not be a terror attack [http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/asia/resorts-world-manila-philippines/index.html]?[[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]]) 21:42, 1 June 2017 (UTC)}}
::::{{tq|1=It may very well not be a terrorist attack, but so far ISIL has claimed responsibility (whether that be true or not) so they are regarded as the ''probable'' perpetrators until something else is proven. [[User:Inter&#38;anthro|Inter&#38;anthro]] ([[User talk:Inter&#38;anthro|talk]]) 22:53, 1 June 2017 (UTC)}}
:::::{{tq|1=Sigh... this is why breaking news stories need a small waiting period to sort the facts. I find it terribly problematic that we cannot even confirm whether this is a coordinated attack by ISIL or a robbery gone wrong.[[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]]) 23:43, 1 June 2017 (UTC)}}
::What was missing here, but often seen in such situations, is angry edit warring over conflicting narratives by people watching different news feeds and therefore in different states of up-to-dateness. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:56, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I think you have to choose between putting forth a proposal that shuts down the perceived problem completely and a proposal that helps mitigate the issue ''and'' has a chance of being adopted. --[[User:NeilN|<b style="color:navy">Neil<span style="color:red">N</span></b>]] <sup>[[User talk:NeilN|<i style="color:blue">talk to me</i>]]</sup> 04:03, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Two more recent examples:
* [[Covfefe]], which obviously attracted lots of attention and obviously fails the [[WP:10 year test]] – we kind of "must" cover it per [[WP:GNG]] but fighting over a new article is a waste. Special barnstar of humour to {{u|Rigley}} who reasoned that covfefe "[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Covfefe_incident&diff=783237048&oldid=783230787 has reliable covfefe in secondary sources, and also tertiary sources that describe the covfefe of covfefe]".
* [[Trump orb]], whereby a meme about the inauguration picture of a counter-terrorism center got more coverage than [[Global Centre for Combating Extremist Ideology|the aforementioned center]], which doesn't even have an article yet. Even without creating that, the natural insertion point was [[Riyadh Summit 2017]] (a much shorter article than the picture story).
Both of these cases perfectly illustrate the rationale behind the envisioned proposal: encourage editors to place "breaking news" stories into the most relevant ''existing'' articles. According to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Covfefe incident|its AfD discussion]], [[Covfefe]] was [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Covfefe speedy deleted and recreated several times], whereas a redirect to [[Donald Trump on social media#Covfefe]] would have contained the issue safely and immediately. There's always time to [[WP:SPINOFF]] a full article if covfefe expands beyond the initial excitement. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 09:11, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

*Another example: Talk page for ''June 2017 London attack'' [https://wiki.riteme.site?oldid=783715650#All_the_Islamic_apologists_can_stop_with_the_obligatory_cries_of_.22oh.2C_but_we_don.27t_know_for_sure_if_it_was.22_apologia_already.2C_it.27s_getting_old.2C_you.27re_not_helping], and the consequent ANI thread [https://wiki.riteme.site?oldid=783724554#User:CitationKneaded]. This is a typical struggle for control of the narrative of a breaking event, with tussles over interpretation of early sources etc. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 06:36, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
::And now a ''second'' ANI thread! [https://wiki.riteme.site?oldid=783791890#Admonished_by_ArbCom.2C_continues_more_of_same_anyways] '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:51, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
* [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Diff/784142258 This here] is one of the greatest AfD comments I have had the pleasure of reading and perfectly sums up parts of the "breaking news" issue. {{u|Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi}} you are my hero :) [[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]]) 23:55, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
::Yes, excellent. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:17, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

*[https://wiki.riteme.site?oldid=787525663#Scope_and_title_of_this_article Trump immigration order]

* [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2017_state_visit_of_the_United_States_to_the_United_Kingdom&diff=787118934&oldid=786986817 This comment] is worth its weight in gold. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 08:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
* Again… [[CNN 2017 undercover videos controversy]]. {{u|Ryk72}} advocates a 7-day moratorium.[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/CNN_2017_undercover_videos_controversy&diff=787903919&oldid=787892891] — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 14:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
::See also discussion in [[User_talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive_214#Too many issues.2Flies to handle fast|this thread]]. - [[User:Ryk72|Ryk72]] <sup>[[User talk:Ryk72|'c.s.n.s.']]</sup> 22:38, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
* Here we go again.[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/July_2016_Trump_Tower_Meeting&diff=790155412&oldid=790155206] Time to act yet? — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 22:44, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
:::I'm writing one paper and two magazine articles. It will be quite a while. Sorry. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:26, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
*:{{u|EEng}} & {{u|JFG}} instant news is like "instant grits"...tasteless and without substance. I prefer homemade grits that have substance and are seasoned with a bit of salt and real butter. Seriously, we're seeing the same feeding frenzy in WP editors that we're seeing in the hungry fake news <s>journalists</s> pundits who are losing their jobs because they've caused their respective network ratings to plummet. No news is better than fake news. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 01:40, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
:::{{u|Atsme}}, what journalists/pundits are you talking about? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:26, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
::::{{u|EEng}} - most recently [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalists-resign-after-retracted-story-on-trump-ally.html the 3 from CNN] and not so recently [https://books.google.com/books?id=p6-CBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=pundits+forced+to+resign&source=bl&ots=7Uq9Cyg1IF&sig=a1yiypCP8pO_BcpgNetOZ0sOVuQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi135jb2YLVAhUUUWMKHerHBJQQ6AEISDAH#v=onepage&q=pundits%20forced%20to%20resign&f=false The Ascent of Punditry, pg 19]. Having worked with CNN as a field producer back in the day, it strikes a special cord for me to see the deterioration of ethical journalism. Some of the sources used by MSM are less credible than those used by WP, and that's sad. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 02:43, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::The resignations are a sign that standards are being uphelp. While I regret the complete loss in the last 20 years of the formerly iron wall between straight reporting and commentary (in both broadcasting and print) you can't seriously be proposing that CNN offers "fake news". '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:49, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::Perhaps it is a sign that standards are being upheld but based on my first-hand experiences I'm more inclined to believe it was the result of them getting caught and publicly exposed. But who the hell knows what's true anymore? The repeal of the Smith-Mundt Act (in 2013, I believe) is when journalism started going to hell in a hand basket. When the Director of the FBI [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/us/politics/james-comey-new-york-times-article-russia.html calls out the NYTimes] for inaccuracies, and [http://www.oann.com/watch-project-veritas-exposes-cnn-fake-news/ undercover cameras capture] producers saying the reporting is all about ratings, I can assure you, it's a hard pill to swallow, especially for someone like me who swore the oath of ethical journalism and accuracy in reporting, and did so from an emotionless, matter-of-fact POV for many years before and after retirement. Regardless, I still maintain faith that things will iron out, and it's one of the reasons behind my supporting your proposal for a latency period before publishing "breaking news". We're dealing with a ratings race so it's not surprising that news organizations are trying to be the first to broadcast the scoop and now that the restrictive laws have been repealed, they have all kinds of leeway to say whatever the hell they please with -0- consequences. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 03:28, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
* The Wikipedian community is [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rob Goldstone|well on its way]] to '''keep''' a textbook [[WP:1E]] case called [[Rob Goldstone]]. Is this the master conspiracist we have all been expecting? Don't miss the next episode of ''[[Russians (song)|I hope the Russians love their children too]]''! — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 23:56, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

===Status===
This is on my mind, but it will be some time before I can get to it. But I will... eventually... and you'll all get pinged at the appropiate moment. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

:Thanks for the warning. &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">&#9742;</span>]] 03:41, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
::I think I'll unfriend you. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:49, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
*I continue to appreciate the good examples being added to the list above now and then. When the time for the revolution is ripe, they will help in shaping a proposal. ''Our day will come, comrades!'' '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 23:02, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
**I have advocated in the past for an essay entitled [[WP:TRUMPSCANDALAFD]], but I am hopeful one day that your proposal will make it unnecessary. <small>And I apparently advocated for it on this page, ah, well, its been a while.</small> [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 23:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

=== How low can we go? ===
[[File:Street limbo 3.jpg|thumb|upright|How low can ''you'' go? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]]]]
* [[Donald Trump's handshakes]]. {{Facepalm}} — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 15:31, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
* '''comment''' since you asked, how about [[President Clinton's White House blowjobs]]?{{FBDB}} [[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|x20px|^_^]] <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:08, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
::I have a better one...[[Monica Lewisky blew it]], an article describing her internship and why she got fired. {{u|EEng}} will have fun with this - it's kinda like creating DYK hooks. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:16, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
:::Blew what? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:20, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
::::The job. She blew the job; i.e. in future perfect the command would be: blow job. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 23:25, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
* As handshakes are being DYK'ed (no pun intended), editors have been emboldened to create this beauty: [[Trump Speeches on Unite The Right]]. More <s>tea</s> covfefe, please. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 17:17, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

===Related discussion===
For use in the discussion in the halcyon future when we get back to this, there was a [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=793978663#Proposal_for_new_section_under_.22Not_a_Newspaper:_Not_real-time_news_reaction.2C_commentary.2C_and_analysis a related thread at What WP is Not]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 21:57, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

== Personal attack at WP:ANI removed ==

EEng, you should really know better than to make a "joke" which is nothing but a personal attack, even if it is against someone from the extreme right. Comments like [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=783120692&oldid=783115034#BLP_issues_and_implied_legal_threats_at_Talk:Brittany_Pettibone this] are not relevant to the article or the dispute and can do nothing but make the situation worse. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 12:54, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
:Agreed. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:Mlpearc|<span style="color:#800000">'''Mlpearc'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Mlpearc|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 13:00, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
::Comment was totally harmless, those twins are nasty. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' the dog.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''bark''']] 13:03, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Roxy, I'm very disappointed in you. Can you imagine the bullying she suffered during her formative years? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:26, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
*How did my comment make the situation worse? Honestly, it's so distressing to have your sympathy for someone's plight labeled a personal attack. And her extreme right views have nothing to do with it; I think [[Carlos Danger|Subcommandante Marcos]] has an idiot name too (the difference being, of course, that he apparently inflicted it on himself). '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:26, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
::EEng, drop it. Mocking people for their name is what one expects from a 7-year old child. If you continue like this, you will be blocked. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 14:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
[[File:SubMarcosHorseFromAfar.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|[[Vogue_(Madonna_song)|Strike a pose]] ]]
:::Actually, running around on a horse smoking a pipe and calling yourself a "Subcommandante" is what one expects from a 7-year-old child (well, maybe not the smoking). Honestly, haven't you got some vandalism to fight or something? If you continue like this, you will make even more people laugh. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:01, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
:::Clarification: It's not the horse who smokes the pipe. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:05, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
::::Well, that just took all the fun out of imagining that... <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MjolnirPants|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 18:43, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
::::How he got into my pajamas I'll never know. &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">&#9742;</span>]] 03:13, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

*You may have fooled one gullible admin, and you may fool others as well, but your pretense of innocence is only making you look worse. If you want to insult people, do it offwiki.

:[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not add [[Wikipedia:Libel|defamatory]] content to Wikipedia, especially if it involves [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|living persons]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-defamatory2 -->
:[[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 06:41, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

::Hi, [[FRAM_(filter)|Fram]], and thanks for the laughs [https://wiki.riteme.site?diff=prev&oldid=783274686]. Now please [https://wiki.riteme.site?diff=755992639 fuck off]. You'll be welcome back here when you gain some perspective on the role of an administrator. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 09:16, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

*This is indeed an interesting page to follow![https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=642671926] --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 01:36, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

=== BLP violation at WP:ANI ===

I'm sure that it was unintentional but you recently added a BLP violation to [[WP:ANI]]. I have removed it and will post a section at [[WP:AN]] which you may be interested in viewing. I have no greater liking for the man than you do but we need to leave aside our feelings on the matter. Take a quick review of [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons]]. Thanks. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]], [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Uqaqtuq (talk)]], [[Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather|Sunasuttuq]] 22:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

::''For those playing along at home, this concerns the following segment of the current ANI thread re the article [[Pets of Vladimir Putin]]. The portions redacted by CambridgeBayWeather [https://wiki.riteme.site?diff=783382292] as "BLP violations" I have <u>underlined</u>:''
:::* {{tq|1=I do not think Putin would be interested at all, but right now there are a lot of cases in Russia when people are jailed for twits etc. The signals typically come from, um, unstable whistleblowers. I am not currently in Russia, but still...--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 16:02, 31 May 2017 (UTC)}}
::::::{{tq|1=Good thing for Trump we don't jail people for [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqObJtGrKaA twits] here in the US. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:41, 31 May 2017 (UTC)}}
:::::{{tq|1=<u>Putin is too busy running the [[White House]] to be bothered with these editors.</u> [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 16:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)}}
:::*{{tq|1=Content note: Article contains the passage: {{tq|Three dolphins applauded the president for feeding them fish, while the walruses even shook his hand.}} '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:41, 31 May 2017 (UTC)}}
:::::{{tq|1=I prefer {{tq|Adorned in white overalls to resemble a bird, Putin did manage to get some cranes to fly}}.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:51, 31 May 2017 (UTC)}}
::::::{{tq|1=It's a shame the title of this thread isn't something like ''BITEy behavior at [[Pets of Vladimir Putin]]''. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:05, 31 May 2017 (UTC)}}
:::''[... Irrelevant intervening posts omitted...]''
:::*{{tq|1=I voted to keep the article since it is as good as the other similar pages, some of which I was already aware of. Who knew Putin's dog is tracked by Russian GPS? [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 18:20, 31 May 2017 (UTC)}}
:::::{{tq|1=<u>Wait... Donald Trump is tracked by Russian GPS???</u> '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 19:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)}}

*Setting aside the dog crack (which I agree is purely a personal insult, but a harmless one against as public a figure as it is possible to be), in what way was it a BLP violation for {{u|Legacypac}} to suggest that Putin is running the White House? Negative speculation about current political events is a very different thing than a personal attack. Also, {{u|CambridgeBayWeather}}, when you redact others' comments even for good reason you should be careful to do it in a way that doesn't make those editors appear to say something they never said. Your edits make it look like EEng removed someone else's joke, rather than what actually happened, which is that he made a joke and some busybody decided that ANI is too serious a place for jokes. For your future busybody-work, you might find the {{tl|Redacted}} template helpful. But I think the bigger problem here is that too many people want to be the thought police of Wikipedia. This attitude is a big part of what makes Wikipedia as hostile as it can sometimes be. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 23:34, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::::[http://previously.tv/television/the-dog-butt-from-the-opening-credits-of-downton-abbey-vs-the-closing-montage-from-the-six-feet-under-series-finale/ Speaking of dog cracks]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:04, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::::The things I miss by not watching television. Or, I suppose, by not deliberately searching the net for dog-butt-related content. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 06:08, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
::Given a current effort to BLP ban me going on a ANi, this post on my talk page is pretty unwelcome, especially since no one can see what I said. In about 5 minutes someone is going to point to it as proof I can't be trusted. There are enough RS to build an article on the specific ideas you deleted. Google "Putin's pet" or "Putin's dog" and enjoy. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 23:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Does [[Stephen Colbert]] count as a reliable source because he's pretty well said that Putin is running the white house <s>and the comment by EEng about Russian satellites tracking Donald Trump is nowhere near anything approaching from miles away being a BLP violation</s>. Uh, it's the insinuation that Trump is Putin's dog that is the issue, I'd say that's two steps up from being his cockholster. We're all being tracked by Russian satellites, are we all BLP violations? [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]] ([[User talk:Mr rnddude|talk]]) 23:56, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
*EEng knows me well enough to know that I consider him a wiki-friend, and that I consider the current US administration and the alt-right to be... otherwise. But having watched the ANI stuff and the two talk sections here, I think that it's possible that no one is entirely in the right. I don't think that the ANI comments were bad enough to have made this much of a stink over (but I do appreciate that CambridgeBayWeather was very courteous, unlike... someone else). Then again, just because an editor ''may'' make certain jokes, does not mean that they ''should'' make those jokes, and certainly not that they ''need'' to make those jokes. I do not go as far as to say that ANI is too serious a place for jokes. I've even made some jokes there myself. But [[WP:CESSPIT]] ain't for nothing. It's the Wikipedia place for lost souls, people (real people!) who may be idiots or jerks, but who are nonetheless likely to be upset about something, and being an idiot or a jerk does not mean that they need to be made more upset, or deserve it, or that doing so helps anyone else. EEng, going from ANI section to ANI section to make snarky, albeit clever, comments is likely to make ''somebody'' upset. It's not helpful. Now I know that you usually brush off my advice, but I also know that you are very smart (almost as smart as I am), so please think about being a bit more judicious about your ANI comedy routine. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
::Acceptability of comments isn't determined by the most sensitive one or two admins looking on. As CBW [https://wiki.riteme.site?oldid=783398422#WP:BLP|himself noted at AN], this material stood for more than 24 hours, during which several admins posted to the thread, unknowable other admins perused it, and finally, an admin closed it{{snd}}all without acting on these "BLP violations".
::I have a question, while we're on the subject: even assuming that {{tq|Putin is too busy running the White House to be bothered with these editors}} ''is'' a BLP violation who's the LP who's being besmirched? Is it Putin? Trump? Reince Priebus (who's ''supposed'' to be running the White House)? Putin's actual dogs?
::'''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:32, 2 June 2017 (UTC) P.S. for {{U|CambridgeBayWeather}}: I do appreciate your courteous attitude. And P.S. for {{U|Tryptofish}}: they're not snarky comments, just fun stuff meant to lighten the mood (when they're not actually making a point re the topic of the post, which is most of the time, actually).
::::::I agree that acceptability of comments is not determined by a few admins, or at least shouldn't be. But I think that you will see that I was not concerned about offending admins. Although a small number of them may, in fact, be lost souls, most are not, and should be expected to be measured in their propensities to be offended. The lost souls about whom I was talking are non-admin users, and I stand by what I said. And I, too, am underwhelmed by the theory that the Putin comment was a BLP violation. As for snark, I accept that you do not intend them to be snarky. But they ''do'' read that way sometimes, and perhaps you do not realize that. And, as I said, it's frequently unhelpful to try to lighten the mood when other people are not... in the mood. And as for your effectiveness in lightening the mood, I'd say, based upon the reactions you have gotten here, don't give up your day job. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:39, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:::::::I'll try to be more judicious. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 07:03, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks very much for that, my friend! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:26, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:::All of the above, except that the last is a BLD violation. &#8213;[[User:Mandruss|<span style="color:#775C57;">'''''Mandruss'''''</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandruss|<span style="color:#999;">&#9742;</span>]] 03:25, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Clearly you besmirched the reputation of dogs. They are fine and noble animals whose loyalty can be utterly selfless. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 03:50, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

::::::If I ref my statement with RS will it be ok? I was not trying to disparage
::::::Putin, he is doing a great job meeting his objectives. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 05:05, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

I was/am not attempting to get anybody banned or blocked on BLP grounds. Both comments were minor and removing the one by {{u|Legacypac}} was probably too much. The one by EEng seemed to me to imply that one was the others bitch. I have no liking for either of the two politicians concerned but making those comments without ''some sources'' leaves Wikipedia open to accusations of partisanship. Disparaging comments about politician A are removed immediately but those on politician B are allowed to stand is seen all the time and I guess it was one time too many. Legacypac, I'm not going to reply on your talk page, unless you want me to, as I think that it would just make things worse. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]], [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Uqaqtuq (talk)]], [[Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather|Sunasuttuq]] 10:24, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:Partisanship on articles is a problem. Partisanship on talk pages (and ANI is a talk page) is not so problematic, and is definitely not something that should be redacted. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 14:44, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

*Look, what BLP says is {{tq|Editors must take particular care when adding information about living persons to any Wikipedia page}}. ''Information''. ''<u>Information</u>.'' When someone says, "Who knew Putin's dog is tracked by Russian GPS?", a response of "Wait... Donald Trump is tracked by Russian GPS???" is not information. It's not an assertion of fact. It's a joke. No one with common sense would actually think I was actually suggesting that Trump is a dog, much less Putin's dog. What I might have been implying beyond that is left to the reader's intelligence, but it's at best a puckish thought, not any kind of ''information'' as covered by BLP. Same goes for {{tq|Putin is too busy running the White House}}. Thinking that stuff like this, outside article space (not that either of these would be found ''in'' article space) needs to be hunted down and stamped out stems from an absurd misunderstanding of the purpose of BLP. It's a tiny minority of admins who worry about this -- that should tell you something. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 23:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
:::<sup>{{tps}} 🍿🍿🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺 This rounds on me.</sup> <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 03:56, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
::I agree, strongly. As I see it, it's not a BLP violation if no reasonable person would believe it to be true, and no non-notable (thus not in the public eye) person is besmirched by it. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:02, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Small but critical adjustment to what Tfish has said: The key point here is not that no reasonable person would believe it to be true, but that no reasonable person would interpret it as ''intended as a statement of fact'' in the first place. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 07:03, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
::::Yes, that is indeed more accurate. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:22, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
:::Shucks. Where's a [[Tony Blair|strong and masterful leader]] like [[Poodle (insult)|Dubya]] when ya need one? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:29, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

== Some bubble tea for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | HERE IS A BUBBLE TEA I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT IS BUT DRINK IT AND CALM DOWN YOU ARE WAKING UP THE CHILDREN [[User:Timothyjosephwood|<span style="color:#a56d3f;font-family:Impact;">Timothy</span><span style="color:#6f3800;font-family:Impact;">Joseph</span><span style="color:#422501;font-family:Impact;">Wood</span>]] 18:29, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
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:Care to explain your enigmatic message? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:35, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
::Some crazy homeless guy was [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Protection_policy&curid=392393&diff=792637131&oldid=792635505 shouting at me] on my watchlist. [[User:Timothyjosephwood|<span style="color:#a56d3f;font-family:Impact;">Timothy</span><span style="color:#6f3800;font-family:Impact;">Joseph</span><span style="color:#422501;font-family:Impact;">Wood</span>]] 18:55, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
:::<small> You think so? Screaming down [[OH 2|this road]] will get people attention and urge you off the road. O__O [[User:KGirlTrucker81|<span style="background-color:pink; color: purple">'''KGirl'''</span>]] [[User talk:KGirlTrucker81|<sup><span style= "color:DeepPink">(Wanna chat?)</span></sup>]] 19:02, 27 July 2017 (UTC)</small>
::::<small>I saw OH2, and wondered if it was an alternative to H2O. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)</small>
{{od|2}}
I figured that was it. See, the problem is that my fellow editors respect me to the point of veneration, and simply assume that any edit I make is ''ipso facto'' correct{{snd}}see [https://wiki.riteme.site?oldid=792372474#correct]. So if I want someone to check what I've done, I have to raise a ruckus. I hope you checked (assuming you actually understand how all those moving parts in pending changes work, which I'm not sure anyone does). '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 19:10, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
:::Would it help if I say that I do not venerate you? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:04, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
:I would probably employ more classic new editor tricks, like... if anything on my watchlist uses the word "truth" in any way shape or form, I'm 100% checking it. [[User:Timothyjosephwood|<span style="color:#a56d3f;font-family:Impact;">Timothy</span><span style="color:#6f3800;font-family:Impact;">Joseph</span><span style="color:#422501;font-family:Impact;">Wood</span>]] 19:13, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

== In response to your recent ornithological question at WP:ANI ==

[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus+11%3A13-19&version=KJV Bats].<br/>--[[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 09:32, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
::And the student was enlightened. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 11:53, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
:::EEng asked: "are there any nonavian fowl?" Perhaps, but there is certainly such a thing as foul tweeting. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:35, 28 July 2017 (UTC) <small>aka ''[[Gomphosus varius]]''</small>

== Regarding... ==

...this,[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=793204726&oldid=793204331] I can only say... Hallelujah! ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 09:07, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
:Was that the block where I made a fool of myself, or just one of many? Also, are the 'facts' on the reddit thread accurate? [[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' the dog.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''bark''']] 09:10, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
::Just one of many. [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+5%3A45&version=KJV For the Lord God Omnipotent raineth on the just as well as the unjust]. As for the facts, see [[User:EEng#thread]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 09:15, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
:::It is too early in my morning for a witty rejoinder, but thanks. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' the dog.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''bark''']] 09:27, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

== Bio profs ==

{{diff|Harvard University|prev|793495663|Re:}} Go ahead and snark, but for what it's worth, Pardis (as a practicing geneticist yet) manages to fit a nod to [[Twin_study#Criticism|the limitations of twin studies]] [ghastly section, btw] and common abuses of "heritability" into her intro genetics course, while Wilson couldn't resist gambling the credibility gained through a career of stellar entomology on a bunch of cockamamie just-so stories about <s>hard [[genetic determinism]]</s><u>"sociobiology"</u>. So. [[User:FourViolas|FourViolas]] ([[User talk:FourViolas|talk]]) 23:51, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
:When someone's entire contribution history looks like [https://wiki.riteme.site/?title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Amidewiki&end=2017-08-01] I feel comfortable erring on the side of ascribing promotionalism. If you, personally, want to vouch for this person I won't oppose it. Maybe [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so8NQficzZg#t=2m23 some sunny day] we'll come up with inclusion criteria. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:44, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
::No, I wasn't actually suggesting she passes whatever impossible threshold of academic superstardom would make her more worthy of the shortlist than Wilson, just griping. This is too complicated to implement, but if I were in charge I'd make a points system: three points for a Nobel or Fields, two for a Pulitzer, one for each NYT bestseller, one for being a fellow of the AAAS or field equivalent, one for being the subject of someone else's course, one-half for each published biography, etc., and then include people with a score of 5 or higher. [[User:FourViolas|FourViolas]] ([[User talk:FourViolas|talk]]) 17:36, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
:::{{tps}} {{u|FourViolas}}, I'm agassed!! Methinks perhaps that criteria may be too encyclopedic for the average encyclopediaphobe. WP would shrink to fewer pages than the # of baseballs (or bananas) that Johnny Bench can hold in one hand. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:23, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
::::You're agassed? Sorry! I'll try to be more careful about what I eat. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:30, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::<sup>I spelled it that way for a reason...I was showing sensitivity to EEng's intellectual faculties by appealing to his [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&diff=790464136&oldid=790463409 sense of humor], which I sensed you would help provoke, you lil provocateur you. It's also possible that FV's words, ''she passes'' may have triggered it. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 01:51, 5 August 2017 (UTC)</sup>
::::I'm only talking about the criteria for the super-elite shortlist on [[Harvard_University#Faculty]]. For general NACADEMIC purposes, I'd be willing to relax the standard to, say, either winning a Nobel Prize or personally developing a technology which ruins ≥10,000 people's lives. <small>EEng, can you do anything about your TPSs' gassed-ly puns? They stink.</small> [[User:FourViolas|FourViolas]] ([[User talk:FourViolas|talk]]) 02:21, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
:::{{u|FourViolas}}, can we have a similar point system for soccer players? Or is it only academics that you want to impose actual standards on? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 04:01, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Not sure how serious you're being, but I'm talking about the criteria for inclusion in [[Harvard University#Faculty]], not NACADEMIC. The soccer parallel would be something like "who gets to be in the lede of [[List of Peru international footballers]]?" Anyway, soccer players already have [[Scoring in association football|a points system]]. [[User:FourViolas|FourViolas]] ([[User talk:FourViolas|talk]]) 04:47, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::Not completely serious, but inclusion on that list rather than inclusion in Wikipedia makes more sense of your Nobel-is-only-halfway scale. Do we get to choose who Harvard hires now? I had no idea we had achieved such power! —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 06:27, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::If we can choose, then let's raise the bar on porn stars and hockey players, too. Is there a Hall of <s>Shame</s> Fame we can use as the minimum requirement for pornies? I think hockey is pretty much the same as soccer, or it may be more relaxed. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 13:01, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Hitting each other with sticks is more relaxed than grass-diving? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 22:43, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
::::::::Uh oh...since porn is part of the equation, I'm afraid my answer to the sticks and grass-diving question will only get me in trouble, regardless of how innocent it might be. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 23:31, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::<small>Did someone mention [[User:Pawnkingthree|porn stars]]? [[User:Martinevans123|The Porn King 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:30, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
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==Thank you==
Your edit summaries are entertaining. I was watching the proj med editing feed.
:Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara (WVS)]]&nbsp;<font color="darkred">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉]]</font> 01:12, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|Barbara (WVS)}}, listen... I'm very glad you brought this up. Do you know where these editors are popping up from all of a sudden? I really should reach out to them to explain why I'm slashing and burning their added material, but I've just been too exhausted (I'm taking care of my 7-yo nephew all this week). I don't want to drive new editors away, but that stuff was way over the top. Is there an instructor in charge of them somewhere? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:33, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
:::I don't know any of the details about this, but if you are concerned that this is a class project where the instructor needs to be contacted, anyone can ask for help with working things out with the student editors and instructor at [[WP:ENB]] or [[WP:ENBI]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 02:37, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
::::You mentioned "the proj med editing feed" -- where's that? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:51, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
== Jeopardy's HD Monitors ==

Jeopardy's game board game uses Sony monitors caused it is produced by Sony Pictures Television. I agree with AldezD's edit. [[User:ACMEDeputy|ACMEDeputy]] ([[User talk:ACMEDeputy|talk]]) 12:09, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
:And that advances the reader's understanding of ''Jeopardy!''... how? [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=next&oldid=794290453] '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:53, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
::I'm disappointed at getting no response, especially since I phrased my response in the form of a question. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 12:34, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

== That's handy ==

[[Template:Did you know nominations/Donald Trump's handshakes|Some people have too much time on their hands]]..... [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 12:34, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
:When shaking hands with Donald Trump, I'd worry about what else might be on his hands. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:57, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
::I heard that one in the hand is worth two Bushes.[[File:SMirC-tongue.svg|x20px|:-P]] No need for you to worry...he's probably read your user page which in itself is built-in protection against a Trump handshake. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 15:27, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

== Today's puzzle ==

Does anyone know what "Created claim" means? See the following diff: [https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AEntityPage%2FQ21529456&curid=23572725&diff=535963812&oldid=498736751] I didn't think WP considered [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jared_Taylor&diff=794945639&oldid=794945429 "humans" above notability.]<---<sup>that's probably going to go over {{u|EEng|quite a few heads}} but I adore the guy who said it and it's fun to repeat so let's just say it's an inside joke and focus on the diff.</sup>.<sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:39, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
:Puzzle is right. I've been in that discussion, and I did not understand what {{u|Drmies}} meant when he said that, and I have no idea what you mean by what you are saying here. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:47, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

*If I remember aright, on Wikidata certain datums (!) are considered "claims" until they're confirmed in some designated way. As for the other guy, I'm staying out of that except to note that I see my {{fbdb}} innovation has found uses I never anticipated. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 23:56, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|EEng}}, you saw that?!! I'm impressed! Hey, {{u|Tryptofish|Tryp}} - it's Friday night and it's happy hour. For the next 3 or 4 hours, we have a license to not care. I blame my [[Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder|OCD]] for getting me in that mess and for not letting me get out of it...but I'm more befuddled over [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/apr/25/wikipedia-founder-jimmy-wales-to-fight-fake-news-with-new-wikitribune-site this], which I imagine few saw in my post at that TP because they're too frigging busy arguing for their own OR. [[File:SMirC-crazy.svg|x20px|%Þ]] 🍺!!! <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:00, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
:::{{fbdb}}[[Sauron#Eye_of_Sauron|Yes, fool, I saw that]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:11, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
:::::Then you must know I have access to Daenerys’ trio of dragons. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:20, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
:::Atsme, you really don't need to ping me every time you mention me on a talk page that I'm already watching, OK? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:13, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
::::Bad habit I recently developed when responding to a question/statement in one of the mile long threads I've been subjected to this past week...or has it been a year? <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:16, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
:::EEng, you really don't need to ping me every time you mention me on a talk page that I'm already watching, OK? --[[User:Tryptofish|Sauron]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:13, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
{{od}}Tryp...pings are like the low voltage lights that light your way to the exit just before the plane crashes. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:23, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
:So I read in a fortune cookie! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:26, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
::At the risk of [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izzKUoxL11E sounding] like a supremacist...maybe I spelled that wrong...fortune cookies don't solve the hunger you get an hour after eating Chinese food at 2:00am - yes, I did that and at 5 am I was starving - while riding horses down the esplanade of a busy boulevard. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)<---<sup>I have {{u|Ritchie333}} to thank for keeping me up with the time. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:46, 12 August 2017 (UTC)</sup>
:::<small>{{re|Atsme}} At least you're driving on [[VA 28|that busy road]] that will take 2 hours from that Chinese restaurant lol. 😋 [[User:KGirlTrucker81|<span style="background-color:pink; color: purple">'''KGirl'''</span>]] [[User talk:KGirlTrucker81|<sup><span style= "color:DeepPink">(Wanna chat?)</span></sup>]] 02:30, 12 August 2017 (UTC)</small>

== Very nice! ==

Your redundant close of the AN/I complaint about DoRD confused me until what you had done suddenly struck me. Very nice!! One of your better ones. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 23:50, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
:[https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=796313851#Administrator_abusing_power My redundant close] of the AN/I complaint about DoRD confused you until what I had done suddenly struck you? Very nice? One of my better ones? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:04, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
::LOL (literally). Yes, I literally did. Laugh out loud, that is. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 16:37, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
:::You can say that again! '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 16:41, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
::::..until your computer running [[Windows 7]] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ExmyKmtIsw crashes!!] 🖥🔨 :D [[User:KGirlTrucker81|<span style="background-color:pink; color: purple">'''KGirl'''</span>]] [[User talk:KGirlTrucker81|<sup><span style= "color:DeepPink">(Wanna chat?)</span></sup>]] 16:51, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Copyeditor Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Copyeditor's Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you so much for all your improvements to [[Death of Nicole van den Hurk]]! <span style="color:purple">Linguist</span>[[User:Linguist111|<sup><span style="color:violet">1</span></sup>]][[User talk:Linguist111|<small><span style="color:violet">1</span></small>]][[Special:Contributions/Linguist111|<sup><span style="color:violet">1</span></sup>]] 20:44, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
|}
Thanks. I always say that if there's anything we can do to improve someone's death, we should do it. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 20:55, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I always love seeing your antagonitic comments on ANI. —&nbsp;[[User:Nihlus Kryik|<span style="font-weight:bold; font-family:Segoe Script; color:red;">nihlus kryik</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;([[User talk:Nihlus Kryik|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script; color:silver;">talk</span>]]) 05:07, 21 August 2017 (UTC)
|}
That's high praise coming from a nihilist. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 05:13, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For introducing me to the term "ANI flu". "''Please excuse me from [[WP:ADMINACCT]], I have a cough.''" [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 07:40, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
|}
:ANI flew? Where did it fly to? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:12, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
::To the land of Achoo. -<sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 23:30, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Which Chu's land is that? ("A barnstar for you because ANI flew to the land of Achoo": nice rhyme!) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:40, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
::::I was concerned about Ritch's cough, so I sent up smoke signals to Dr. Thaddeus Schmidlap. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 01:49, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
[[File:Snake-oil_salesman_Professor_Thaddeus_Schmidlap_at_Enchanted_Springs_Ranch,_Boerne,_Texas,_USA_28649a.jpg|thumb|upright=1.0|<small>Cough medicine for {{u|Ritchie333}}. Delivered by Dr. Thaddeus Schmidlap, maker of miracle elixirs from the land of Achoo, a small country in the [[Chew the fat|Federated States of Chu]].</small>]]

*I rush to point out that I did not originate the term ''ANI flu;'' it was someone much cleverer than I (maybe {{U|Iridescent}}? {{U|Softlavender}}?). '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:29, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

::No, I've never used the term. The first time I personally saw it mentioned was by {{U|Opabinia regalis}} in the recent Arthur Rubin RFAR. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 03:38, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
:::I can't remember exactly where I've used it, but I believe I stole it from Iridescent. [[User:Opabinia regalis|Opabinia regalis]] ([[User talk:Opabinia regalis|talk]]) 05:12, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

:Me: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=664312725 here] was its first appearance on Wikipedia. I also gave Wikipedia "civility police", "Facebook for ugly people" and "Bradspeak". You're welcome.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 06:36, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
::{{u|Iridescent}} you coined the phrase "civility police" and I felt it my duty to provide [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a8jphxpi1ro the visuals.] I will not pursue the others for I fear potential retaliation from FB users, and I don't have a clue what "Bradspeak" means. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 17:36, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Happily, [[WP:Bradspeak]] exists to enlighten you. (Despite appearances, it wasn't intended as an insult—it was an observation that NYB was more dedicated than most to avoiding ambiguity, and that his consequent refusal to use words with more than one meaning led to some extremely odd looking phrasing.) I believe I was also the first person to use the phrase "indefinite doesn't mean infinite" on Wikipedia as well, but I can't really take credit for that—before c.&nbsp;2007 the block interface had separate settings for indefinite ("we haven't decided when to unblock you") and infinite ("fuck off and don't come back") so when blocking someone the situation didn't need to be explained.&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 17:53, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
::::In that case, I can happily provide the visuals for [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aSIHbt8tGQA "Bradspeak".] <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 18:49, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

== Talk page stalkers! A gadget everyone should install! ==

You know how you have buttons ''Save changes'' and ''Show preview'' and ''Show changes'' when you edit? This adds ''Show preview and changes'' in a single button! It's amazing! Seriously, add this to your common.js e.g. [[User:SoAndSo/common.js]]:
::<code><nowiki>mw.loader.load("https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:Writ_Keeper/Scripts/previewAndDiff.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");</nowiki></code>
Report bugs (and there are some minor ones) at [[User_talk:Writ_Keeper/Scripts/previewAndDiff.js]].

'''Also, you can use <ctl><alt>o as a keyboard shortcut instead of clicking the button.'''

'''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:10, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

*Thanks! I love it! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:33, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
::What I don't understand is why this wasn't the design from the very first day. It defies reason. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 23:37, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Ok, so I'm editing this section in Firefox, and at the bottom is ''Edit summary, Save changes, Show preview, Show changes, Show preview and changes, Citations and Cancel''.
:::I clicked on ''Show preview and changes'' and can see what I just typed above but in order to see a preview of what I'm typing now, my only options are ''Save changes, Show preview, Show changes, and Cancel.'' I will click on ''Show changes''. Now I have the ''Show preview and changes'' option again. How cool is that? ❤️ Thank you, EEng and {{u|Writ Keeper}}!! Wow! <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 15:30, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
::::I use Firefox (but in Windows, not Mac), and that never happened for me. Was this your first edit after installing the gadget in your JS file? If so, maybe the new code had not yet loaded until your second try. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:42, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::Ok, that makes sense, Tryp. I waited a few days, and here goes. I'm seeing the full menu below Edit summary; i.e. ''Save changes, Show preview, Show changes, Citations, Show preview and changes, Cancel.'' I'm going to click on ''Show preview and changes''.....Yep - that was it!! Needed to clear cache. That's what excitement will do for you - I got in too big a hurry to use the new feature and instead of doing a ''cache check'', my check bounced. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Now in Safari browser.
:::I clicked on Show preview and changes, AWESOME, and now I'm typing this and can see the full menu again, <s>unlike what happened in Firefox. The ''Show preview and changes'' remains with each edit. Not sure if it's worth reporting the bug to {{u|Writ Keeper}} although it would save an extra step in Firefox (using a Mac).</s> <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 15:39, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Yup I use that. It's really fun and useful. [[User:Dinah Kirkland|♠Dinah♠]] [[User Talk:Dinah Kirkland|🎤]] 16:17, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWrit_Keeper%2FScripts%2FpreviewAndDiff.js&type=revision&diff=799141978&oldid=799133543 Orgasmic?] EEng, you are so easy! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:10, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

:Nice! {{smilie|1}} <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 17:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Just for [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=798458745&oldid=798458625 this]. Well done. [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 03:03, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
|}
:Thank you, but the lion's share of the credit belongs to the Wikipedia community, which provides the raw material to which I am honored to be allowed to apply such humble talents as I have been lucky enough to be endowed with. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:17, 2 September 2017 (UTC) <small>I don't know if that last bit was grammatical, but it's late.</small>
::It was grammatical, more like fanatical, from our favorite radical, but it will pass along with the gas that keeps your ass in high gear, n'er failing to be witty and tart...(finish the poem 🤓). <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 04:31, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
:::I certainly enjoyed navigating through that sentence. Sometimes, "taking it slow" is the best approach on a Friday night, which results in agreement and appreciation. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 05:22, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

== Inserted text ==

Hi, re {{diff|Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines|prev|798858854|this edit}}: the opposite of {{tag|del}} is {{tag|ins}}, see [//www.w3.org/TR/html5/edits.html HTML5 spec, section 4.6]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] &#x1f339; ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 07:41, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
:I'll add that to my reading list should I ever be sentenced to life in prison. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 22:16, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

== Personal comments ==

I'm afraid I think [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_guidelines&diff=800496825&oldid=800495715 this edit] oversteps the boundaries of [[wp:no personal attacks|no personal attacks]] and [[wp:civility|civility]]. Please desist. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 22:58, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
:Making the question even more urgent: Why are you wasting the time of so many editors? When are you going to get a clue? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:24, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for the reply, I was away for the weekend and only just received it.
::I realise that you have a problem with my behaviour. But this is not the place to discuss that. This is about your behaviour.
::I'm interpreting your response as meaning that you see nothing wrong with the edit in question, and will continue to make similar ones unless this is escalated, is that a fair conclusion? [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 23:25, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
[[File:Shanghai Museum escalators.JPG|thumb|upright=0.7|Let's escalate!]]
:::I'm interpreting your response as meaning you're even more clueless than anyone thought. Do you really so need to humiliate yourself that you just can't resist coming back here?
:::*{{tq|I was away for the weekend and only just received it.}}{{snd}}Thanks for explaining. I was counting the hours until I heard from you.
:::*{{tq|I realise that you have a problem with my behaviour. But this is not the place to discuss that.}}{{snd}}Who the fuck are you to tell me what can be discussed on my talk page?
:::*{{tq|This is about your behaviour.}}{{snd}}[[WP:STICK|No, it really is about your behavior.]]
:::*{{tq|unless this is escalated}}{{snd}}Christ, please escalate. It's been a while since one of you grandfathered admins made a fool of himself like this. Always entertaining.
:::Pinging {{u|Johnuniq}}. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 00:44, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
*@Andrewa: Things might have changed since whatever halcyon days you are remembering. I feel I can speak for EEng and myself in saying that we do not want the issue escalated because we have things to do and further pointless banter would be very unproductive. However, I guarantee that escalation would achieve nothing apart from providing light entertainment. The way to avoid people poking fun at you is to stop wasting time. Regarding [[Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines]], you have made 97 edits since 14 August 2017—has anything been achieved? Of course you are welcome to waste your time however you like, but WP:TPG is important—1,019 people watch the page, of whom 95 have checked the talk page recently; in all, the talk page has been viewed 2,598 times in the past 30 days. That means the pointless banter is wasting a lot of other people's time. Please find something useful to do. If you really really really want to continue, make an RfC. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 04:10, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
::I had it in mind that an escalation might be useful as a vehicle for Andrewa learning something, but experience shows that's very unlikely so, yes, it would indeed be a waste of time. '''[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:24, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
:::You may be right. I guess there's only one way to find out. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 12:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
{{od}}
[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved.&nbsp;The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Personal attack by EEng|Personal attack by EEng]]. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 12:04, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
:Well, {{U|Andrewa}}, did you learn anything [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=801262269#Personal_attack_by_EEng]? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:22, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
:::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSIHbt8tGQA&app=desktop EEng's ode to Newyorkbrad]. Gotta love Brad's diplomacy. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 19:09, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
::Indeed, you are quite right, the bar on personal attacks is lower than it once was, and consensus is clear that your post was quite in order. Perhaps that is one reason we have concerns about contributor retention... but that's a discussion for another time.
::So we can regard this complaint as resolved in your favour, and I have indeed learned something. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 22:10, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
:::I think you're trying to say the bar is ''higher'', but that's OK (and I don't agree, by the way{{snd}}we've just stopped trying to police personal interactions the way grade-school teachers patrol the playground). Anyway, this wasn't resolved in anyone's favour, because [[WP:Wikipedia_is_not_about_winning]]. But we might say it was resolved in favour of a principle{{snd}}the principle that [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not about whining]]. I'm glad you learned something, but I dare not ask what that is. Now please stop wasting my time and go deny the antecedent, or affirm the consequent, or accentuate the positive, or whatever it is you think you're doing, somewhere else. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 22:48, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

== Plimpton 322 NPOV ==

I have mentioned you on the NPOV noticeboard [[User:9and50swans|9and50swans]] ([[User talk:9and50swans|talk]]) 03:58, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:Not before I mentioned you! '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:13, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

=== NPOV Plimpton 322 ===
[[File:George Washington Bridge from New Jersey-edit.jpg|thumb|upright=0.8|Enough Notice. I'm putting you on suspension.]]
[[File:Execution_Lincoln_assassins.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|There are worse suspensions, I suppose.]]
I mentioned you on the NPOV noticeboard discussion [[User:9and50swans|9and50swans]] ([[User talk:9and50swans|talk]]) 04:19, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:WTF? 21 minutes later? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:25, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::<small>Did I mention, I mentioned you on the NPOV noticeboard discussion? [[User:Keira1996|<span style="color: red">Keira</span>]][[User talk:Keira1996|<span style="color: blue">1996</span>]] 04:37, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::You've mentioned mentioning that you mentioned me on the NPOV noticeboard discussion. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:42, 19 September 2017 (UTC)</small>

I haven't mentioned you on any NPOV noticeboard discussion. Am I missing out? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 13:11, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:We must mention EEng at NPOV-N since he's mentioned that others have mentioned mentioning him and we don't want to be left out of the mention tension.<sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 13:39, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::It's all part of the mention tension convention. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 13:46, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::Enough nonsense. I'm putting you on suspension. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 13:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::::Enforced abstention? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 13:53, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AReference_desk%2FHumanities&type=revision&diff=801413450&oldid=801413436 is this how it's done?] [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 15:09, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:No, SBHB - you simply have to mention it. Was not that style of mention mentioned to you as we have intentionally mentioned in the mention tension convention while you attempted suspension, unless enforced abstention was your contention? <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:04, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
::And now EEng will get no pension. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
:::<small>''Henchmen comment''</small> As long as he and his never get [[Tension headache|Tension]]. BTW, I feel the infobox image needs to be removed. [[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>(distænt write)</small>]] 03:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
::::<small>What infobox? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:50, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::The Infobox medical condition on [[Tension headache]].[[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>(distænt write)</small>]] 03:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::You want my blessing? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:01, 20 September 2017 (UTC) </small>
:::::::If you don't think otherwise I'll be bold tomorrow and remove it. [[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>(distænt write)</small>]] 04:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::::😂 <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 04:10, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::LOL, you'll won't get [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxprUw0hLag this blessing] and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay-cEqp9oRg this craziness]. :D [[User:KGirlTrucker81|<span style="background-color:pink; color: purple">'''KGirl'''</span>]] [[User talk:KGirlTrucker81|<sup><span style= "color:DeepPink">(Wanna chat?)</span></sup>]] 14:09, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
::::::::::Which one is more reasonable: A. Someone has a recent grudge from an encounter with installing Windows B. I seem to remember raiding a cult hideout and they had this projected on the wall over their altar. [[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>(distænt write)</small>]] 18:30, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

=== Please comment on [[Talk:Plimpton 322#rfc_1ED85B7|Talk:Plimpton 322]] ===

The [[WP:Feedback request service|feedback request service]] is asking for participation in [[Talk:Plimpton 322#rfc_1ED85B7|this request for comment on '''Talk:Plimpton 322''']]. <!-- Template:FRS message --> <!-- FRS id 74269 --> [[User:Legobot|Legobot]] ([[User talk:Legobot|talk]]) 04:26, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
:Just so long as you haven't mentioned me there. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:33, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

== Tit for tat ==

In exchange for calling me to [[Talk:Ted Kaczynski]] maybe you could look at [[Maryanthe Malliaris]] and [[User talk:Adam8592]]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 04:18, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
:I've looked over the discussion and hope your advice got through. I'll keep an eye. Your ran/rma infection seems chronic. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 05:04, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

== Was it necessary? ==

[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ted_Kaczynski&diff=801757457&oldid=801756539 This] was dickish. You won your point. Learn how to win with grace, or you will lilely run afoul of other editors as well. - [[User:Jack Sebastian|Jack Sebastian]] ([[User talk:Jack Sebastian|talk]]) 17:34, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
:Responded here [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=801762679]. I wish you'd make up your mind, though, whether I'm a dick or a douche. (Is your confusion that they both go into ladyparts?) '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

== Right you are ==

Don't know whether he's a sock or just a troll, but I'm sorry you are the target. Cheers! [[User:Grand&#39;mere Eugene|Grand&#39;mere Eugene]] ([[User talk:Grand&#39;mere Eugene|talk]]) 00:01, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:Better me than anyone else; it doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I kind of like having the block log I have because it draws the crazies like moths to the flame, thus we know quickly who's who. BTW, he seems to want us to think he's this guy [https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/abstract.aspx?ID=186109]. He's probably qualified for a [[WP:IMPERSONATE]] block, but I'm not going to initiate that unless he keeps behaving in a way that embarrasses the real person with that name. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:28, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
::Wow, impressive sleuthing on your part! — [[User:Grand&#39;mere Eugene|Grand&#39;mere Eugene]] ([[User talk:Grand&#39;mere Eugene|talk]]) 02:13, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:::I simply googled ''Carole Chaski‎‎ Robert Kwasny''. It's on the first page of results. I don't think it's him, though. No responsible academic would behave that way; more likely it's someone out to embarrass him and/or embarrass Chaski. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 02:17, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

== A cupcake for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg|120px]]
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Well, this page is over one million bytes now, so I guess you can have this as a reward. —'''[[User:MRD2014|<span style="color:blue">MRD</span><span style="color:red">2014</span>]]'''&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:MRD2014|Talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contribs/MRD2014|Edits]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[WP:HELP|''Help!'']]</sup> 02:24, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
|}

:<small>He'd rather have pancakes. (joke) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:13, 28 September 2017 (UTC)</small>
: {{U|EEng}}/{{U|Tryptofish}}... You watch it, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPJDwWrWjFA cupcake!].--[[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 00:03, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

==A header==
{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[File:Barnstar of Humour.svg|100px]]|[[File:Barnstar of Humour3.png|100px]]}}

|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | As the barnstar documentation says, for lightening the mood, defusing conflicts, and generally making Wikipedia a better place to be. Including [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=804463513&oldid=804462532 this]. -- [[User:Euryalus|Euryalus]] ([[User talk:Euryalus|talk]]) 06:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)
|}

:He's "smarter than your average [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fd/d4/1b/fdd41b12310ba6537260db829333ca08.jpg moron]". [[Clash of the Titans (2010 film)|Don vs Rex]].... [[Stanford–Binet Intelligence Scales|bring it on]]!! - [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

== Orange ==

Since you sent ''Thanks'', I thought I ought read this talk page. My first reaction was "how can one editor be so talented?" Then the answer hit: no effor required—each night you tilt Wikipedia and next morning ''les noix'' roll in—as if this were Orange County. [[User:Neonorange]] ([[User talk:Neonorange|Phil]]) 07:39, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
:Are there many nut trees here in OC? I hadn't noticed. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 07:47, 14 October 2017 (UTC)
::My second post is ''almost'' a duplicate, but not quite. A clue is to be found by clicking on the subject line of that second post. — ([[User talk:Neonorange|Phil]]) 11:36, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

=== [[Orange Curtain|Orange County]] ===

Since you sent ''thanks'' I thought I ought read your talk page. My first reaction was "how can one editor be so talented?" Then the answer hit: each night you tilt Wikipedia and next morning ''les noix'' roll in as if this page were Orange County. [[User:Neonorange|Neorange]] ([[User talk:Neonorange|Phil]]) 07:58, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

== Appreciation ==

I wish to commend you for your great sense of humour, as well as for your exquisite taste for NOT adding a picture of a boomerang in the ANI thread. [[User:Dr.K.|<span style="font-weight:600;font-family: arial;color: steelblue;font-size: 1em;">Dr.</span>]] [[User talk:Dr.K.|<span style="font-weight:600;font-family: arial;color: steelblue; font-size: 1em">K.</span>]] 03:02, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

:You are much too kind. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 12:30, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

== Am drams ==

[[User:Ritchie333/Any 'Dmin Will Do]] - currently running at the [[WP:Dramaboard|Dramaboard]] Playhouse [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
:I have the best talk-page stalkers. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 18:03, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

== Your edits to [[Death of Elisa Lam]] ==

I actually agree with most of them; I tend to err on the side of more information rather than less when I write articles as (as I'm sure you know) it's much easier to cut later than add (and also a sort of a defense against casual tagging ... I think I put in the names of the pathologists because a) I wasn't sure how often I'd have to refer to the writers when I began that section and I didn't want to keep saying "the pathologists" and b) I've had people tag that sort of thing with {{tl|who}} a few too many times). I was sad to see those bits about the black water go ''but'' ... it has been over four years now and I have not found anything about what happened with the lawsuit over it, so I guess all we need to do now is note it and move on.

I did, however, restore the "mechanics of the body removal" because it's a subtle way of debunking one of the so-called "mysteries" of the case intended to suggest paranormal involvement, i.e. people who think themselves clever and ask "If they had to cut her body out, HOW COULD SHE HAVE GOTTEN IN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? HUH? HUH?" With that explanation in the article and cited to a reliable source, people can link to our article (as a lot of web forums do) and quote that part and shut that down real quick. (I also read somewhere, but haven't found an RS repeating this, that (rather sensibly when you think about it) the ''[[rigor mortis]]'' was so advanced they couldn't pull the body back through the hatch without severely damaging it in the process).

(BTW, maybe I should take the time now to apologize for things I said during that long war we had over at DYK two summers ago. So, I'm sorry). [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 02:06, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
:*[[User:EEng/Principle_of_Some_Astonishment#Principle_of_Some_Astonishment|As the wise man said]], ''Perfection is finally attained not when there is no longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away''. Good writing often springs from the dynamic between a writer who who writes too much and an editor who cuts, chooses, and prunes.
:*Don't worry about the other, {{U|Daniel Case}}. As I'm sure you know I've been on the receiving end of worse.
:'''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:58, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
::Who is the wise man? Or did you mean wise guy? But hey, does that mean that if I eat prunes I'll become a good writer? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:38, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
:::Well, Tryp, your fins could use a little pruning. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:08, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
::::As long as my intestines don't need prunes. (Yes, I know that was a crappy joke.) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:16, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

== November 2017 ==

[[File:Joke Alert.svg|30px|alt=Joke icon]] This is your '''only warning'''; if you trim out blatantly excessive text from a [[Wikipedia:Autopatrolled|long standing rights description page]] making the text far more digestible and less complex for the average reader, as you did [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Autopatrolled&curid=23319564&diff=808651521&oldid=808651207 with this edit], I shall have to praise you again.

Seriously, I saw the edit summary and immediately assumed it was vandalism. But, the edit summary was perfect. Nicely done on trimming that text down! --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 13:53, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

:[[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|left|100px]]
You probably deserve the "[[Blah-Blah-Blah (Iggy Pop album)|Iggy Pop Memorial Barnstar]] of [[The Passenger (song)|We Take No Textual Passengers]]." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:08, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

::I counted the number of "blah"s, and you should have had one more. (By the way, I have all of the best "blah"s. When I get done, you'll have so many "blah"s that you'll be getting tired of so much "blah"ing. Everyone else has fake "blah"s.) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 14:42, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
*I did have to add a bit of text back in [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAutopatrolled&type=revision&diff=808697690&oldid=808697469]. Feel free to change it however you wish, but this bit is important because many of the people we want having autopatrolled are not familiar with project space, so we rely on other people to let admins know that they should have the flag. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 15:18, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
*Earlier this year there was a lot of talk about going around and granting AP to those who qualified, has that all been taken care of? [[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>(distænt write)</small>]] 16:56, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== Required notice ==
[[File:Stick Man in Mortal Danger (16008624652).jpg|thumb|160px|EEng after receiving static.]]
You're edit-warring and approaching 3RR. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 09:18, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:We've known each too long for you to give me this kind of static. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 09:48, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
::Must be just friendly [[Static Shock|shock]] tactics? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:57, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Gosh, Martin, when did the doctors discharge you?{{fbdb}} '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 13:46, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
::::As if he would ever [[Discharge (band)|dare]]. You know [[Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing|my motto]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:57, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::This discussion is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPBLbvRIqIg high voltage]. How could anyone not get a [[MasterCard|charge]] out of it? <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:08, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

== Sorely missed ==

Hi EEng, I'm sure that [[Alfred Schmidt (artist)|Alfred Schmidt]] would be having fun if he were alive today. --[[User:Mirokado|Mirokado]] ([[User talk:Mirokado|talk]]) 20:14, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
:We need people like him and [[Herblock]] more than ever now. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 22:54, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
::The illustration with the caption "Drawing" (it's quite interesting if you click on it once, then click on "More details" to enlarge it so you can see the details), and the one of Saltholm lend themselves to captions about Wikipedia. &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Corinne|Corinne]] ([[User talk:Corinne#top|talk]]) 23:16, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

== A goat for you! ==

[[File:Házikecske portré.JPG|left|150px]]
So where I am from we used to give rope for mere possession of a running brand (Mac10s were ok, you can't hurt anyone with them) but duffing is okay if you rustle goats in odd numbers. (!) So you might want to get a GPS tracker for this [[Mustang GT|goat]]. And that link is on purpose for 2 reasons: a goat is a goat and a ram is a sheep with an attitude; FCA doesn't make a GT model for the 1500.

[[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>(distænt write)</small>]] 04:34, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
:What the hell? <small>But thanks for the goat.</small> '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:39, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
<br style="clear: both;"/>
[[File:Scheme female reproductive system-en.svg|thumb|left|I can't see the Ram logo as anything else any more —[[User:David Eppstein|DE]]<br/>
DE, you'll burn in hell for this. —'''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''']]
::<small>Where I'm from, a ram is a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQTB1bNWp24 Dodge dually]. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 04:40, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
::A few weeks ago I was behind a 3500 with RAM written like a foot tall in the tailgate and a badge that looked about 10 inches wide. Any clue what I could have seen??</small>
:::<small><small>1 Ton (3500) Dodge RAM truck, probably with dual rear wheels. <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 05:01, 16 November 2017 (UTC)</small></small>
::::Well, gotta say...DE has quite the imagination. Maybe an alternate account as User:GYNng is in order. 😂 <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:13, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
[[File:Bighorn Sheep Yellowstone.JPG|thumb|Bighorn sheep ''(<s>Ovaries</s> [[Ovis canadensis]])'' - for comparison purposes.]]
:::::And if he's blocked for sockpuppetry he can submit an unblock request to [[uterus|UTRS]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:27, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::But who, I'd like to know, put the ram in the [[Who Put the Bomp (in the Bomp, Bomp, Bomp)|rama-lama-lama-lama-ding-ding-dong]]? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KStsPPgeka4 Thanks]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:18, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
:Y'all be confusin' yer animals [http://cheezburger.com/2023992576]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 23:44, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

== 1 Millionth edit on ANI? ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | What do you want a cookie? Well... [[User:RickinBaltimore|RickinBaltimore]] ([[User talk:RickinBaltimore|talk]]) 12:59, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
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:All hail the God-King and President for Life ... personally I'm going to save my accolades for when this talk page hits 1,000 lv2 sections. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 13:13, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::Oh, Jesus - that makes EEng a millennial to the 1,000th power? (It's all about editing power, not size.) <sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 23:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Can you make a table of contents for your table of contents? [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 14:05, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

== You have been deleted from Wikipedia ==

Per the discussion at ANI, you are hereby deleted from this world for wasting the 1 millionth edit on ANI. If you wish to appeal this deletion please contact the creator of the universe, whoever that may be.—[[User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:olive">Chat</span>]])</span> 17:56, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:Also, you do not get the free [[Spam (food)|tin of spam]]. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czYW733k2Y] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:10, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::Deleted is not that bad, it could be worse. You could have received an admonishment. [[User:Sir Joseph|Sir Joseph]] <sup>[[User_talk:Sir Joseph|<span style="color: Green;">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 18:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I was looking for an image that would illustrate wasting edits, or time, and I came across [[The Idler (1993)]]. I love the quote from the [[The Idler (1993)#Ethos|Ethos section]]:
:::*On the practice of idling, Tom Hodgkinson writes:

:::{{quote|[a] characteristic of the idler's work is that it looks suspiciously like play. This, again, makes the non-idler feel uncomfortable. Victims of the [[Protestant work ethic]] would like all work to be unpleasant. They feel that work is a curse, that we must suffer on this earth to earn our place in the next. The idler, on the other hand, sees no reason not to use his brain to organise a life for himself where his play is his work, and so attempt to create his own little paradise in the here and now.<ref name="Hammond2010">{{cite book|author=Phil Hammond|title=Sex, Sleep or Scrabble: Seriously Funny Answers to Life's Quirkiest Queries|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=PRgjAwAAQBAJ&pg=PT18|date=15 September 2010|publisher=Black & White Publishing|isbn=978-1-84502-526-7|pages=18–}}</ref>}}
:::&nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Corinne|Corinne]] ([[User talk:Corinne#top|talk]]) 02:31, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
{{reflist-talk}}

*Thank fucking God. [[User:Softlavender|Softlavender]] ([[User talk:Softlavender|talk]]) 02:40, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Can we have him [[WP:Salt]]ed? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 02:55, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
:I find it highly amusing that a user with the word fish in their name also used the word Salt. [[User:Blackmane|Blackmane]] ([[User talk:Blackmane|talk]]) 07:12, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
::::That's because I'm a seasoned editor. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:28, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
::See also the Mars-related item at [[User:SMcCandlish#Funniest things I've seen on Wikipedia]] (which is nowhere near as well-curated or current as EEng's museum). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 19:22, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
:::"Curated" is one of those trendy words that makes me want to hit people with wooden rulers. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 02:58, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
::::I absolutely love Corinne, but it's true. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:09, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, but what's true? &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Corinne|Corinne]] ([[User talk:Corinne#top|talk]]) 16:17, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::::::::::[[John 18:38|A good question,]] one that even [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0KQWTBljjg the Nephelim themselves] have struggled to answer. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 17:15, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::That ''curated'' is a trendy word. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 17:06, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::Did you say curated, or curing? [[File:Sacrifice pig Tarporley Painter MAN.jpg|thumb|Young man preparing a pig's head after a sacrifice, or [[WP:STICK]]. [[Vase]] v.&nbsp;[[360 BC|360]]-[[340 BC]], [[National Archaeological Museum of Spain]], from [[Curing (food preservation)]]]] &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Corinne|Corinne]] ([[User talk:Corinne#top|talk]]) 16:28, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

== Sassy Trump ==

All those pithy comments about Trump on your user page, including links to YouTube videos, and not a single mention of [[Peter Serafinowicz]]'s ''[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi38HMIvRpGgMJ0Tlm1WYdw Sassy Trump]''? For shame! '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<span style="color: #000000;">nagual</span>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<span style="color: #ABAB9D;">design</span>]]</span>''' 22:00, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:Funny! I liked [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLG1_DAVAz8&index=4&list=PLtD-NySxyH-VFn3jaJMMt100tSPQNc4On the Puerto Rico speech] best. :-)[[User:Anythingyouwant|&#32;Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 22:58, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
::Puppy Trump is worth consideration as well [http://cheezburger.com/3909381/twitter-trolls-donald-trump-over-inside-of-dogs-ear-that-looks-like-him]. Okay, two joke posts in one day are sufficient. I'm heading back to my watchtower. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 23:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
:::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAeprWIOQqQ Did I arks you?] '''<span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; font-size:1.3em; letter-spacing:-0.07em; line-height:1em;">[[User:nagualdesign|<span style="color: #000000;">nagual</span>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<span style="color: #ABAB9D;">design</span>]]</span>''' 01:47, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
::::Careful now, Nagual, or we'll get [[User:SMcCandlish|Brother Stanton]] back again, pushing those [[The Watchtower|crummy magazines]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:48, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::Well, I'm sure they've published some stuff about at least one ark, possibly two. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 15:55, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
::::::Just to be clear, the ''edit that dare not speak its name'' removed by {{U|Ivanvector}} was just a link to the latest Sassy Trump video. I'd link to it here again, minus the title, if I hadn't been threatened by Ivan. For anyone who's interested I've posted it on [[User talk:Nagualdesign#Linking to BLP violating content at User talk:EEng|my talk page]]. Ask for me tomorrow, and you may find me a grave man. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 16:05, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
*Will someone please email me this link (using ''Email this user'')? I'd like to know what this is all about. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:17, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
*:{{ygm}}--[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 16:55, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
:*Dang, {{noping|IvanVector}} whipped out [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nagualdesign&diff=815071776&oldid=815071654 the ban hammer] on {{u|nagualdesign}} over whatever it was. There's a related wikicourt entry at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#BLP_block review]]. ––<b style="font-family:FreeSans;letter-spacing:-0.05em">[[User:A Fellow Editor|<i style="color:#AC7D20;font-variant:small-caps">A&nbsp;Fellow</i>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:A Fellow Editor|<b style="color:#6B2E2E">Editor]]</b></b>– 17:11, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Not a Sassy Trump video, since I was barred from linking to the latest one, but a musical mashup from October last year (with no mention of any allegations of molestation, paedophilia, necrophilia or any other such BLP violating content, ''it's just a bit of fun''): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZnlz-b2NnY ''DONALD TRUMP : The Muppet Show Mashup''] <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 22:37, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
[[File:Donkey (Equus asinus) at Disney's Animal Kingdom (16-01-2005).jpg|thumb|220px|<center>A stable genius.</center>]]
A bit of off-Wiki comic relief from all the huffing and puffing that fills Wikipedia talk pages: There's been 3 more Sassy Trump videos released in the last couple of weeks. I won't link to all 3, but this one had me in stitches: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlFmA7TZOvM ''Sassy Trump sings 'The Star-Something Hmm-hmm'''] {{smilie|5}} I'm surprised more people don't do funny voiceovers. Maybe it's my puerile sense of humour but I find them hilarious. [https://www.youtube.com/user/BadLipReading ''Bad Lip Reading''] never fails to amuse me either. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 22:30, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

:For whatever it's worth, I share your sense of humor about that (and everyone knows I'm a stable genius). I liked the "no collusion" one too. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:53, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

== Happy Holiday Greetings ==

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|rowspan="2" style="align: top; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Roasted_turkey.jpg|thumb|left|Want more yams?<br/> No thanks, I'm stuffed.]]<br/>
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 6px 6px 0 6px; height: 1.5em;" |<center>'''Wishing You A Happy Turkey Day!'''
|-
|<center>A Thanksgiving tale...</center><br/>
Two pilgrims go out hunting. One has two blunderbusses (guns).<br/>
The second pilgrim queries, “Why two blunderbusses?” <br/>
The first pilgrim responds, “I usually miss on the first shot; with two I can shoot again”.<br/>
The second pilgrim pauses, then asks, “Why not just take the second one, and only shoot once?”<br/>
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<small><sup><font style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">[[User:Atsme|Atsme]]</font>[[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 02:36, 22 November 2017 (UTC)</small><br/>
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=== Please comment on [[Talk:Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire#rfc_1508FC2|Talk:Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire]] ===

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:I think it's absolutely tasteless for Legobot to have placed this notice directly under a turkey-in-oven photo. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 14:14, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
::You definitely should take the bot to ANI. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:27, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

== Gage article ==

I have to know, why is the [[Phineas Gage]] article not at the very least recognized as a GA? In my opinion, it deserves its own tier of "GA-ness" or "FA-ness". Something like [[wikt:bully#Interjection|Bully! article]] status. Is there anything I can do to help amend this? I do not possess the heroism (or patience) to navigate the depths of your talk page for a similar discussion so I apologize in advance if I am not the first to ask these questions.[[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]]) 07:39, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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:Wow, I just looked through [[Phineas Gage]] <small>''<badump-tssss>''</small> and it does indeed appear to be quite a robust, well covered, well illustrated article. Outstanding (used both as an exclamation and I literally think it stands out in comparison to many other articles). --[[User:A Fellow Editor|A Fellow Editor]] ([[User talk:A Fellow Editor|talk]]) 13:30, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
::{{tps}} I can hand out popcorn if required. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' Zalophus californianus.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 18:20, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
{{Buttinsky}} I totally agree with you TGS and AFE. I can't overemphasize the engaging prose by our one and only EEng, an editor I admire and consider to be extraordinary in so many different ways. I would definitely be among the FA reviewers if PG became a [[WP:FAC]]. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 19:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
:::Roxy will need a lot of popcorn for that. I think the reason is that, once one opens the edit window, the page turns gag-inducing. I've given our fine curator a lot of grief over that in the past, but have since lost my appetite for doing so. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
::::I didn't mean to reopen some bad history here. I just think credit should be given for what, in my opinion, surpasses any article I have read on Wikipedia thus far. Honestly, a review just seems like a formality at this point but I can start one if that is the issue. Good idea or doomed to fail? Thoughts?[[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]]) 20:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
:::::I'm not certain whether it's doomed to fail, but it is very likely doomed to elicit drama, because that bad history includes a lot of editors who (unlike me) continue to hold a grudge. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:35, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

I've mentioned before that we need this article like a hole in the head. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 21:14, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
:Which reminds me, we should add a section about [[lobotomy]] to that page. (Now, watch EEng's head explode!) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:07, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
::::[[Phineas_Gage#Psychosurgery_and_lobotomy|Lobotomy's already covered]]. Jeesh. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:29, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
::If that is what it takes NYB! I am going to ask around to find an experienced GA reviewer who would take the case. I still presume this review would just be a formality but I hope I can trust any issues beyond my control -- like with sources I do not own -- will be dealt with professionally by the article's main contributors. Resentment be damned; such a well-researched piece is worth whatever drama a few editors want to stir up.[[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]]) 03:26, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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The eldest Oyster looked at him,
But never a word he said:
The eldest Oyster winked his eye,
And shook his heavy head{{mdash}}
Meaning to say he did not choose
To leave the oyster-bed.
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* First let me say that, while I can't deny I'm the editor most responsible for what you see in the article, many others helped substantially and even indispensably. And anyone who says they don't enjoy, just a teensy bit, seeing their work recognized is fibbing{{snd}}but at what cost? Please let's not rush into anything. Someone (not me) nominated for GA in 2013, and guess what? [[WP:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive801#GA_review_trainwrecked_by_overzealous_.22peerreviewers.22_and_Mos_enforcers|''Click to find out'']]. I fear that in any renewed effort (whether GA or FA), what will happen is...
**someone will say there should be fewer quotations, because most articles have fewer quotations, and that quotations shouldn't have links, because otherwise someone might think that the links were in the original 19th-century quotation;
**someone will say there should be fewer images, because most articles don't have many images;
**someone will say the citation system should be changed, because most articles use some other citation system, whether it would do good service here or not;
**someone will say {{tq|''et al.''}} should be italicized;
**someone else will say {{tq|et al.}} should not be italicized;
**someone will say the sentences should be broken up into short declaratives, that you shouldn't use dashes, and that you can't start a sentence with ''However'' or ''But'', because [[WP:MISSSNODGRASS|their seventh-grade teacher Miss Snodgrass told them so]];
**someone will say the markup is too complicated (see post above in this thread), without considering what the markup ''does'';
**someone will say there should be fewer notes, because most articles don't have notes;
**someone will say that the article's not balanced because (and I am not making this up) it doesn't repeat various things things said in a children's book.
:In short, there will be plenty of people advocating for the principle that an [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=450323169 "anodyne consistency of style"] is what makes for a quality article. And those are just from memory. I don't know if I feel like going through that again. Then of course, the article's not my property and it's not my decision to make.

:Maybe we could try a test run with [[Sacred Cod]] or [[Widener Library]] or [[John Harvard (statue)]] or [[Andrew M. Gleason]] or [[Lionel de Jersey Harvard]] (next spring will be the 100 anniversary of his death, BTW, so that would be nice). But no matter what, can this wait a few weeks? I've got a lot going on just now.
:'''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 04:29, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

::Wow, that ANI about the earlier GAN made ''my'' head explode! (Certainly wasn't just a formality.) Maybe it would make for a good reply to that survey about ANI posted below. Maybe not. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:44, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
::<small>Maybe "et" could be italicized and "al." not. Or the other way around. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:46, 28 November 2017 (UTC)</small>
:::::That would be [[Judgment_of_Solomon|the quintessential Wikipedia compromise]]. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:06, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
::::::Except that Solomon actually had good judgment. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:06, 29 November 2017 (UTC)</small>
::: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H_zeJ2c3Eg "This is ..."] <small>''[7 sec. vid]''</small> --–'''<span style="font-family:FreeSans; letter-spacing:-0.05em;">[[User:A Fellow Editor|<span style="color:#AC7D20; font-variant:small-caps;">''A&nbsp;Fellow''</span>]] [[User talk:A Fellow Editor|<span style="color:#6B2E2E;">Editor</span>]]</span>'''– 23:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)
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|author = {{mdash}}{{thinsp}}J.M. Harlow (1868){{ran|H|p=344}}
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*I think that out of friendship and consideration for EEng, please don't do a GAN at this time. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:06, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
*And so it begins... [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=812852158] '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 20:04, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
:::I have cheese and onion flavour? -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' Zalophus californianus.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 20:29, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

*EEng - it's Happy Hour, and all I can do to refrain from sharing my ''candid thoughts''. I can relate to what you've had to endure. (pause to retrieve a chilled mug of... <sup>use your imagination</sup>). I try to steer clear of things I'm not young enough to change...and I can't understand how in the hell that wonderfully composed and exceptionally well-written article doesn't meet the criteria for FA, never mind GA. Having said that, I understand why you don't want to be subjected to the drill, and decided instead to let it be what it is. Sometimes we just have to stop arguing and simply let them be wrong. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:23, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
*EEng I'll refrain from this topic for a few weeks. I apologize for causing any grief over what I thought was a bit more straightforward than it turned out to be. I don't know if there is some major politicizing or a grudge match keeping you away from the credit you deserve on the Gage article but I would appreciate if you re-evaluated after a period of time to see if you are up for a GA review.[[User:TheGracefulSlick|TheGracefulSlick]] ([[User talk:TheGracefulSlick|talk]]) 23:22, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
[[File:"Down with your dust, no cure, no money". Wellcome L0006094.jpg|thumb|180px|Must've hit a nerve. <sup><sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:29, 2 December 2017 (UTC)</sup>]]
::It's not as big a deal as maybe it comes across, and you certainly mean well. As mentioned above, may I suggest we start instead with [[Lionel de Jersey Harvard]] or [[Sacred Cod]]? '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 15:06, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
*In re any recent uptick in interest about the page: [http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=8793]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:27, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
::Oh, my eyes, my 👀, my [[File:SMirC-shock.svg|x20px|O_O]]!! 🙈 Wish I hadn't read that! The nerve of those people!!! <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 15:29, December 2, 2017
:::And look how {{U|TheGracefulSlick}} is now harassing one of those poor people! [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=813319841] '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 03:25, 3 December 2017 (UTC) <small>Reminder: There will be a meeting of the white males immediately after next week's Masonic Rites. If your Trilateral Commission duties will prevent you from attending, please let me know.</small>

== Was he waiting for an answer? ==

Do you think the original poster was waiting for an answer all this time? He must be quite relieved to have gotten one, at [[Talk:Mafic#Pronounciation]] [sic]. {{diff|Mafic|813115021|813114858}} &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Corinne|Corinne]] ([[User talk:Corinne#top|talk]]) 00:42, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
:But, how does one pronounce "magnesium"? (I do have to admit, Osama Bin Login is a pretty good username.) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 01:06, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
::{{tq|"The name is a pun of Osama Bin Laden and a Unix program named /bin/login, which runs to let people log into the system."}}[https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:OsamaBinLogin] – And apparently [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User_talk:OsamaBinLogin#Can_I_keep_this_username.3F he had to defend it] at one point. --–'''<span style="font-family:FreeSans; letter-spacing:-0.05em;">[[User:A Fellow Editor|<span style="color:#AC7D20; font-variant:small-caps;">''A&nbsp;Fellow''</span>]] [[User talk:A Fellow Editor|<span style="color:#6B2E2E;">Editor</span>]]</span>'''– 02:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

== A barn-appendange ==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #E6F7F7; padding:5px"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | {{Toenail|place=left|size=50px|caption=}}
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Toenail'''
|-
|"Given to editors who have a good sense of humour, and adore using thumbnails."<br />
{{em|For many funny talk-page sidebar comments in picture form}} <small>[even if I grumped about two of them]</small>. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] &gt;<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>&lt; </span> 20:07, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
|}
*You can't please all the people all the time, I guess: someone was just telling me that they're disruptive and I should stop. Fooey, I say! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:53, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

== I see your point ==

... about the lack of need to state that the quote is by Koenig about Chekov. To my surprise, [[Template:Quote box]] says the attribution fields are optional! [[User:Ylee|Ylee]] ([[User talk:Ylee|talk]]) 00:15, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
:Situation resolved. Take us out of orbit, set a course for Recreation Planet Svetlana-7! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:22, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

== Hab Milch? ==

See: [[User:EEng#Museum of Bad Starts]] – Tnx 4 sharing dat, EEng. ––<b style="font-family:FreeSans;letter-spacing:-0.05em">[[User:A Fellow Editor|<i style="color:#AC7D20;font-variant:small-caps">A&nbsp;Fellow</i>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:A Fellow Editor|<b style="color:#6B2E2E">Editor]]</b></b>– 09:37, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
:Du vilcommen. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:58, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

== Phineas Gage (2) ==

Well, I'm glad we got that sorted. His head shot looks particularly good [[Phineas Gage#Subsequent life and travels|in the article]]. I hope you're happy with all that. All the best for Christmas and the New Year. Regards, <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 22:57, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

==I blamed the other guys==
Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara (WVS)]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ <sup> and Merry Christmas</sup>]]</span> 01:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

== I will '''not''' be out-SNL:d by anyone!!! ==

But Merry Christmas anyway. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 14:08, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
:Even your username sounds like an SNL gag. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:17, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
::...now you may have insulted the culture of my people. Stand by for withdrawal of any pickled herring in your possession. Alternatively, watch the 312-minute cut of ''[[Fanny and Alexander]]'' three times. {{u|Bishonen}}, please block EEng for the rest of the year for cultural insensitivity. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 14:37, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
:::I hope I didn't come across as diacritical. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
::::Your pun-ishment should be severe. However, "Swedish also has the letters å, ä, and ö, but these are considered distinct letters, not a and o with diacritics." [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 15:40, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
:::::See [[Diacritic]]. &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Corinne|Corinne]] ([[User talk:Corinne#top|talk]]) 00:49, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

== I appreciate your feedback ==

Thanks for posting at the ANI (although the discussion was closed and may be considered bit ill-timed because of that, but whatever, it's fine...). I gained good amount of community feedback (including yours), and I will take it to heart, I will honor it, apply it, learn from it, and carry on positively. I appreciate your input very much, and I thank you. [[User:Oshwah|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Oshwah~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Oshwah|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 12:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
:Just to repeat what I said on Tony1's talk page, I don't really blame you, because you were just imitating the widespread triggerhappy practices you've seen at ANI regarding so-called legal threats. And you're to be commended for trying to make amends. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:30, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

== [[Murder of Heather Rich]] ==

{{ping|EEng}} I think that [[Murder of Heather Rich]] might need a check-over. Could you please do it? [[User:Paul Benjamin Austin|Paul Benjamin Austin]] ([[User talk:Paul Benjamin Austin|talk]]) 06:57, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:The Great and Powerful Oz will consider your entreaty, but not for a bit because he can't abide cold oatmeal. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:41, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
::{{ping|EEng}}. I'd like your help to bring it to GA. It's in a crappy state for a case that got national attention. we can start by giving it an infobox and a picture of Ms. Rich. [[User:Paul Benjamin Austin|Paul Benjamin Austin]] ([[User talk:Paul Benjamin Austin|talk]]) 16:25, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:::I think I've done all I can. The trial stuff probably should be streamlined more, but to be honest all the twists and turns give me a headache. I'm going to have to leave it at that. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:03, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

==April 1==
I have nominated [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Cystocele another article] today that I worked on to be included in the DYK section on the main page on April 1. Perhaps I can be the first Wikipedian to have two mentions on April 1! Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara (WVS)]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 21:49, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:I think I'm going to have nightmares about that page at least until April. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:19, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

== My mother's footwear ==

She did, in fact, occasionally wear Army boots. My old ones, to be precise; US Army issue. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 22:52, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
:So my intuition was correct. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:12, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
::Well, if you intuited that my mother was [[Your Mother Wears Combat Boots|Barbara Eden]], you're off by a bit. My mother's magical powers (including eyes in the back of her head) were very real, and not the result of [[I Dream of Jeannie|special effects]]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 21:33, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

== Harv citations ==

Do you remember the fix for the ''Harv warning: There is no link pointing to this citation. The anchor is named xxxxx''? See [[Barbara Taylor]] refs. I bookmarked the fix somewhere, but I can't recall where. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:51, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
:I see no such problem in [[Barbara Taylor]], and I have a script to highlight those errors. If you're using the {{tl|cite}} template series, you need to uses {{para|ref|harv}}; is that what you're thinking of? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:54, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
::Give me a few and I'll do a screen capture so you can see what's happening. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:01, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
:::{{U|Atsme}}, I'm pretty sure that among the pile of stuff at [[User:Atsme/common.js]] there's some code which does this. I get it as well and have learned to ignore it unless I'm cleaning up an article's refs. If you look in [[User:EEng/common.js]] you'll see the code I have to do the same thing (stolen from someone, I have no idea who). Try temporarily blanking your common.js and the message should disappear. If it's any comfort normal readers won't see the error because they won't have the js. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:08, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
[[File:CITEREF error.jpeg|thumb|220px|Harv citeref error]]
::::Ok, I'll log out and use the laptop, a cell phone and iPad, then I'll check back in. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:17, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
{{od}} Ok, the culprit is ''<nowiki>importScript('User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js');</nowiki>'' Not sure why it shows up as an error or if it's really necessary to fix it but with that script gone, the error disappears. Apologies for any confusion <s>I</s> that js script may have caused. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:33, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
:It is completely not an error to have citations with no harv link to them. Why that script would flag it as an error is a mystery to me. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:46, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
:: {{tlx|citation}} defines an anchor by default, so it is not (necessarily) an error in that case. It is possible to add <code>|ref=none</code> to suppress the anchor, I keep meaning to document that! {{tlx|Cite book}} etc only define an anchor if the <code>|ref=</code> param is set. In that case it is an indication that the intended link to that citation is missing so correcting the problem will probably improve the article. I like the "no errors, no warnings" mantra when adding content or programming, so I would always fix such a message. --[[User:Mirokado|Mirokado]] ([[User talk:Mirokado|talk]]) 00:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
{{od}}My only response:<br/>
A Game Warden is walking along a beach one morning when he spots a man with a bucket of lobsters.<br/>
The Warden walks up to the man, flashes his badge and says, “You’re in big trouble, buddy. Poaching lobsters is a serious offense.”<br/>
The man answers, “You’ve got it all wrong, these lobsters are my pets! Every morning I take them out for some exercise.<br/>
I let them swim around in the ocean for a few minutes and then whistle them back in.”<br/>
The Warden looks at the man skeptically and says, “Okay then, prove it.”<br/>
The man proceeds to throw the lobsters into the ocean and both he and the Warden stand there waiting.<br/>
After a couple minutes the Warden looks at the man and says, “That’s long enough, now whistle your lobsters back in.”<br/>
The man turns to the Warden and says “Lobsters? What lobsters?”<br/>
So, David - I ask...What error? [[File:SMirC-whistle.svg|x20px|"-:]] <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:17, 31 December 2017 (UTC)<br/>
{{clear}}
:If it's wrong to poach lobsters, is it alright to broil them? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:20, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
:Or even [[Rock Lobster|rock them]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:27, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
::Waiter, waiter, this lobster’s only got one claw.
::It must have been in a fight, sir.
::Then bring me the winner. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
:::I'd make another joke about this, but that would just be shellfish of me. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:07, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
:::: Waiter! Waiter! There's a fly in my soup!
:::: Just leave it for a few seconds, sir: the lobster will get it.
:::: A happy new year to EEng and all the contributors to his talk page. --[[User:Mirokado|Mirokado]] ([[User talk:Mirokado|talk]]) 00:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

==Just realized...==
I'll probably be indefinitely blocked in the next few minutes for making death threats [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=817992875]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:31, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
:Uh-oh, you said it in terms of the death penalty, which is administered as a part of law, so that made it a legal threat. Alas, you're a goner. If only you had merely threatened to kill someone, that wouldn't have been a legal threat, and no admin would care. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:04, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
:How very dare you. [[Reviewer (horse)|Reviewers]] are [[Mister Ed|editor people]] too, you know!! What's Wiki [[Flying Horse Carousel|coming to]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:14, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

=== In response to the death threat... ===

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:WTF-Blocks.png|thumb|150px|Stackable WTF blocks]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''You are about to be the recipient of a WTF Block...maybe'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Remember how much fun you had playing with blocks as a kid?<br/>
Now that you're <s>a mature</s> an adult, you can collect blocks with adult letters, and they're not only stackable,<br/>
they're collectable!! You are already well on your way to surpassing [[Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)|Trump International]]!<br/>
{{P|grin}} <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:43, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
|}
<br/><br/>

I created [[Tower blocks in Great Britain|an article on blocks]] y'know. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 13:25, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
<br/>
:[[File:Blockhead US.ogg]]
:*LOL*

:And another one I couldn't resist: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ar80sFzViw Happy New Year, EEng!] <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

== Your thoughts.... ==

[[Dax Cowart]] - perhaps not quite on the level of a [[Phineas Gage]] but very close. Give it a look when you have time. I admire and recognize your gift to "engage the reader". <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:05, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing me to this. I'm surprised I've never heard of the case before. Looks like this wouldn't need much to bring it to GA, and it would make a good DYK, especially wrt his being denied access to an attorney. I'll give it a going over next year, but in the meantime any chance you can revive the U Virginia link, currently 404? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:23, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
::I've added [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Dax_Cowart#RS_for_improving/enhancing_this_article quite a few RS] to the TP of the BLP, and my reason for not editing the article. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:51, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
:::Adding - a good friend (an attorney), named his daughter after Dax. If my memory serves correctly, he and Dax attended [https://www.triallawyerscollege.org Trial Lawyers College] together, and because Dax was blind, Marty read aloud for him, doing whatever he could to help Dax get through the class. [https://www.depts.ttu.edu/law/financialaid/scholarship-opportunities.php#Dax_Cowart_Endowed_Scholarship In 1985 he created a scholarship in Dax's name.] <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

== Punctuation ==

Sorry, I didn't realize you'd reverted the punctuation at [[Sacred Cod]]—I thought I'd simply somehow missed it. Regardless, you're wrong—it's not about the punctuation being in the original or not, it's about what the period is punctuating. The period logically punctuates the enclosing sentence, not the quoted fragment, which is not a complete sentence that can be terminated on its own. I'm not going to editwar over it, but you ''are'' totally misunderstanding the "logical" part of "logical quotation". [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 00:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Sacred_Cod&curid=5207610&diff=818517646&oldid=818517121 *Sigh*] ... whatever, man. I get the message—don't fucking touch Sacred Cod. I've got more productive things to do than this bullshit. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 00:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

*For those playing along at home, this has its root in this discussion [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=818538224]. Apparently the OP doesn't want an answer, so I won't waste one. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
*: There was no question to "answer", and my edits had nothing to do with attribution, so they have ''zero'' to do with that discussion (they had to do with [[MOS:LQ]] and [[MOS:DASH]]). You link to an article, I read it, and I correct the MoS errors I find—and you accuse me of bad faith for that? Why the head games? [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 08:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
*::Things other than questions can be answered, most editors seem to resolve LQ's contradictory provisions the way I do, and no one's accusing you of bad faith. Obviously you wouldn't be here if not for the discussion I linked. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 11:02, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
*::: "most editors seem to resolve LQ's contradictory provisions the way I do"—uh ... no. I have no idea where you pull these magical statistics from, but I've read, written, and FA-reviewed more than enough articles to negate that statement. If that were the case, you would then have is a hodge-podge of quote fragments, some with the period inside and some out depending on the ''source'' rather than the ''logic'' of the sentence, which looks broken to the reader (who then may decide to "fix" it by putting them all either in or out, either breaking source–text integrity or [[MOS:LQ]] altogether). Surely this is not difficult to understand. [[MOS:LQ]] is meant to ''solve'' a problem, not cause one.
*::: "Obviously you wouldn't be here if not for the discussion I linked."—obviously I wouldn't have clicked the link, but that's as far as you can stretch the logic, implying this is a dispute somehow carrying over from another discussion. Is that how you take it? Is it a grudge you carry over from that discussion that led you to revert all my edits? [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 11:23, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
*::::*Your long experience at FA is disconnected from what most editors do, because most editors have no interest in that echo-chamber of rule-bound minutia-hunting unrelated to what makes an article something people would actually want to read. My experience is that most editors (unless they ignore LQ completely, and who can blame them?) simply follow its opening precept{{snd}}{{tq|Include terminal punctuation within the quotation marks only if it was present in the original material, and otherwise place it after the closing quotation mark}}{{snd}}and ignore its confusing, prissy, and contradictory examples, which in many cases produce jagged-looking results.
*::::*Over at Talk:MOS you've been huffing about "contextualizing quotations" and the sanctity of attribution and so on, while meanwhile (and I am not making this up) in the article in question you actually changed the wording of a direct quote [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=818408197]. Really???
*:::::''That's'' why I reverted your edits. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
*:::::: The way the source was format, it didn't appear to be a quote. I made a mistake. Whoops!—sorry. That doesn't exceuse the rest of this (it wasn't a single revert), and that sigle error was not why you reverted everything else—including the comma from the date formatting. Seriously?—is that acceptible ''anywhere''?
*:::::: Anyways, I had no idea this was all because you had it out for the MoS as a whole or I never would have shown up here to talk sense into you. I apologize for that, too. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 23:05, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
*:::::::I think you mean "have it ''in'' for", but anyway I harbor no hostility toward MOS{{snd}}in fact, I'm the primary contributor at MOSNUM [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/wiki.riteme.site/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers] and primarily responsible for its organization and presentation. I reserve my hostility for people with cramped and dwarfed ideas about what constitutes good writing who try to impose those ideas on everyone else. As we're seeing at Talk:MOS, LQ's provisions really are, um, shall we say "suboptimal", so I think the sense-talking is going in the other direction. Sorry about the comma on the year, I guess I got distracted by your changing a direct quotation in that same edit.
*:::::::I believe my talk page stalkers are no longer enjoying this, so please do have the last word now. I'm sure there are many more featured articles which will get thirty views per day waiting for you to write them. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:21, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
*:::::::: Uh ... what we're seeing at Talk:MOS is that ''every commenter without exception'' is telling you your interpretation is wrong. Not one has said anything resembling the idea that LQ's provisions are "suboptimal"—only that you're having the most puzzling trouble with what's totally clear to the rest of us. What's now more surprising is that a contributer to MOS:NUM would revert to a non-standard date format (covered in MOS:NUM) and not fix it even after pointing it out.<br/>"Have it out for" is perfectly standard English, by the way—it's not in the least hard to find real-world examples of it. You're really bending over backwards trying to look me bad, aren't you? It'd be nice if you looked at this as a "how can we solve this?" issue, rather than "how can I beat this fucker?" Your last comment makes it clear that'll never happen.<br/>Hey, talk page stalkers—EEng keeps calling on you to pile on me. What's holding you back? [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 03:48, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
*:::::::::Oops, sorry, didn't notice you were still here. You can find unselfconscious examples of ''irregardless'' as well. When someone invites you to have the last word, you ''do know'' that's a test, right? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
*:::::::::: When someone politely invites you to correct an error you've reverted, one doesn't expect you to invent English prescriptions at them to make yourself feel better. How many days are they to stay uncorrected, Top-MOS:NUM-Editor? As well as the MOS:LQ errors you've [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style&diff=818981890&oldid=818974924 finally gotten around to admitting were your error?] Or do we just get more of your headgames as you play ''The Ultimate Comeback''? Given the mess at Talk:MOS, one would expect a little humility at this point. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 02:01, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
*:::::::::::{{tq|correct an error you've reverted}}{{snd}}huh? When someone invites you to have the last word, you ''do know'' that's a test, right? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:31, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
*:::::::::::: I'm talking about your bullshit in article space—you're playing head games. Why is playing head games so much more important to you than fixing your fuckups?<br />That's a rhetorical question. Just fix your fuckups. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 06:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
*:::::::::::::I'm talking about the fact that telling someone to {{tq|correct an error you've reverted}} makes no sense, since an error that's been reverted has thereby already been corrected. ''Head games''{{snd}}that's such ''groovy vernacular!'' So ''with it'' and ''hip!'' I ''dig it, daddy-o!'' But hey, dude, when someone invites you to have the last word, you ''do know'' that's a test, right? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
*:::::::::::::: Jesus fucking Christ. Just fix your fucking fuckup. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 08:04, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
*One can't help but notice that any editor can fix another editor's article-space mistakes, instead of throwing a fit to convince them to do it themselves. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 14:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
*: {{ping|MPants at work}} so you missed the bit about how this discussion exists only because EEng has been autoreverting my edits to his article. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 15:40, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:::No, I didn't miss it. I just don't understand why you don't just fix the part he didn't have a problem with. If you're revert warring, well, that's on you, too. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 15:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:::: I haven't reverted any of his edits, and I'm not about to start—he's been accusing me of bad faith from the get-go. I'm not about to feed that by giving him the excuse to accuse me of editwarring. He's made it clear he doesn't want me touching his article. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color:red">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 15:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

== Just an FYI... ==

...discussion at [[User:Atsme/Blocking policy proposal]]. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 19:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
*I encourage my glittering array of talk page stalkers to take a look. Myself I'm going to just keep watching for now. I long ago decided to let my block log stand as a monument to the 3% of admins who are fools or jackasses (with one or two exceptions, of course) so I don't have the emotional investment many others do. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:24, 4 January 2018 (UTC) <small>Later clarification: What I meant is that there are one or two exceptions among the admins who have blocked me; among admins in general, 97% are emphatically not fools or jackasses. 16:42, 5 January 2018 (UTC)</small>
::But they ''can't'' comment there. They've all been blocked.{{fbdb}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
:::And you're next.{{fbdb}} [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::{{(:}} So if I have blocks on my mind, I guess that makes me a blockhead! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:21, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Getting some mileage out of this one - thx Tryp:
::::::::[[File:Blockhead US.ogg]]
::::::::*LOL*
:::::::::I always figured block logs didn't go anywhere, since they're unable to roll... &nbsp;&nbsp;<b>~</b>&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:16px;">[[User:Tom.Reding|Tom.Reding]] ([[User talk:Tom.Reding|talk]] ⋅[[WP:DGAF|dgaf]])</span>&nbsp; 20:04, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
::::Thank you for starting and continuing the discussion. [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara (WVS)]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 14:00, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::Based on some of the comments I've read about block logs, we should be proud of them.[[File:SMirC-shock.svg|x20px|O_O]] One argument I've seen more than once over the years is that we should want to keep them in public view because it exposes the insanity that plagues WP. [[File:SMirC-crazy.svg|x20px|%Þ]] <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:40, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

==I thanked you==
...for comments in your edit summaries. You have a block log? Well, I'll get some popcorn, put on some background music, put my feet up and read the novel for myself. Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara (WVS)]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 13:20, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:I hope you have a few days to spare... <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 17:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
:::Day thirteen and I'm still reading the edit summarys and block logs and whatever else I can find. [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara (WVS)]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 01:03, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

== A warning [[Cup-a-Soup]] for you ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:CupSoupChicken.jpg|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''A warming [[Cup-a-Soup]] for you'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | [[File:Lawrence Oates c1911.jpg|right|100px]]
[[Slade|Noddy and the boys]] send you a hearty [[Vic and Bob|Glam rock cup-a-soup]] to help you [[2017–18 North American cold wave|warm up]]!!

But beware... don't leave your [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style|cosy tent]] or you might be [[Lawrence Oates|"some time"]].
:[[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

....<small>or I guess you could always build a nice [[Fire and Fury|bonfire]]?</small>
|}
:Hmmm...what I need is a bowl of Oatsmeal. [[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|x20px|^_^]] <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 01:45, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

== Something for your barn ==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #dd0000;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | [[Image:Yellow_Barnstar_star.png|100px]]
|rowspan="2" |
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em; color:yellow;" | '''The Red Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid yellow; color:yellow;" | Because WP lacks an "against my better judgment barnstar",[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AManual_of_Style&type=revision&diff=817900821&oldid=817882771] this red barnstar is for the new and revolutionary policy in the Manual of Style that you devised for attributing quotations, and any similarity to a Soviet star[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Soviet_flag_red_star.svg] is accidental and not even worth mentioning in a footnote to a footnote. Perhaps this award will jinx us and the improvement will be reverted, but you can at least briefly enjoy this thingy, as much as such things can (or should) be enjoyed. Cheers.[[User:Anythingyouwant|&#32;Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 22:04, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
|}

== Copy edit ==

Please would you mind helping me do a copy edit of ''[[Ogun Festival|this article]]''. Regards, [[User:Mahveotm|Mahveotm]] ([[User talk:Mahveotm|talk]]) 23:07, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
:Hi! I gave it a going over, though there were one or two things I didn't quite understand. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:55, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

== Another barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style&diff=819899835&oldid=819898763 for this]. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 03:06, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
|}

== Convoluted, but interesting ==

Have you seen this? I love it. [[User talk:Oshwah#Vandal part two]]. I wonder if two vandalisms equal one positive, and three become negative, like numbers. (From looking at [[User:Oshwah|Oshwah's]] talk page, I have concluded he is a saint. Invariably polite and helpful, no matter what people say to him.) &nbsp;&ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Corinne|Corinne]] ([[User talk:Corinne#top|talk]]) 17:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
:::I donated all my saintliness to him. That's why I've got none left. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:46, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
:<small>Don't tell Tony1 that, although they seem to have worked it out. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:08, 16 January 2018 (UTC)</small>

==Scheming ==
[[File:Hindenburg mooring at Lakehurst 1936.jpg|thumb|Another wonderful idea undergoing final preparations before lift-off. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 01:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)]]
I have BIG plans for the April Version of the ''Signpost'' but it is super duper secret and I can't leave it on your talk page because, believe it or not, my edits are being closely watched?!?!?! I can involve all the other talk page stalkers and it will be a lot of fun. Basically, you will respond to interview questions. Before you begin to respond, I will assign you an imaginary character. You will respond as the imaginary character probably would. For example, perhaps you would like to respond as Donald Trump's left shoe. Or you might be a famous sock puppet. Call me crazy, but this will work and no one will know it's you because it will be a super duper secret. Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara (WVS)]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 00:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
:This can only end in tragedy. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
::I'm sickened by the thought of being that close to one of Trump's feet. Oh, and Barbara, you may ''think'' it's secret, but the Russians already know all about it. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 01:08, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
:::Be happy if you get his feet, it could be much worse - he was a jock in college. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:28, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

== Thank you (2) ==

I appreciate your support today, or rather your having principles and standing up for ''them''. Cheers. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 17:28, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

:"Hierarchy of editor subservience" &ndash; brilliant turn of phrase. I copied it to the image file page on [[:File:Disputeresolution.png|Commons]]. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 22:19, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Although, like the Brittle star, Trump's cake hole doubles as a shit hole, his speech from May last year really resonates with me today, and if I was to elect a representative to stand behind a podium and issue a statement on my behalf this would be it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK7RKeKpenw ''You Can't Let Them Get You Down''] <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 00:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

== Hygienic corn ==

Be honest. You've been on the internet long enough to '''know''' that there's got to be a market for [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#C._W._Gilmore/Darkness_Shines_Indefinite_Block|ass-ground corn]], and probably a lucrative one. It can't imagine it can be comfortable being either the grinder or the grindee, though. [[User:Eggishorn|Eggishorn]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 07:55, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
:Gives new meaning to the term ''butt hurt''. I understand being a grandee's not so bad, though. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 08:03, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
::It could be worse. See: [[Brittle star#Digestion]], first sentence. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
:::That's so sexy. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 20:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
::"In ice hockey, a [[Grindr|grinder]] is a player better known for his [[Hardcore Pawn|hard work]] and [[Check (mobile app)|checking]] than his scoring." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:13, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

==Coffee's talk==
Hey, sorry old friend, but I disagree with your last two posts there. He had a right to remove the second-to-last one (it being the bottom of a thread, so to speak, so that no one can misconstrue any subsequent posts--that seems like common sense to me: that was no falsification), and the charge that that's a habit, well, that's kind of rough and so categorical that it needs proof. But that proof should probably not come in a thread on a user talk page. Later, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 02:45, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
:If you'll pardon me for weighing in here, I think the problem is that Coffee posted some dubious evidence, EEng responded to the evidence (in my view, fairly convincingly), and Coffee removed EEng's defense of himself while allowing the dubious accusation against EEng to remain. I get that Coffee is frustrated right now, but he kinda created that problem for himself by issuing a hasty block and then changing the explanation for the block after the fact. That's a little too shady. [[User:Lepricavark|Lepricavark]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark|talk]]) 03:16, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
::That is what happens in a back and forth and back and forth and etc. I'm sure Coffee could/would/might argue the same thing (and would not subscribe to your account of his supposed guilt). I'm not judging this way or that, just that it's Coffee's talk page. Thanks, [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 03:36, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I hear you. The whole situation has not been handled ideally, but the 'pedia will survive. [[User:Lepricavark|Lepricavark]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark|talk]]) 03:47, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
:::No, Drmies, that's not just "what happens". Lepriwhatshisname had it exactly right. Here's Coffee's evidence that I {{tq|show up to every ANI/AN/talkpage you can to criticize what I'm doing (and borders on wiki-stalking)}}, and my rebuttal dismantling that accusation: [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=822036385&oldid=822017853]. His response was to remove my rebuttal{{snd}}but leave his phony accusation [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=822037807], as if I hadn't responded. We've all run into people who insist on having the last word, but at least they usually do that by adding a "last word" of their own, not by removing the last thing ''you'' said because{{snd}}and there is no other conclusion to be drawn{{snd}}they are at a loss to answer it. When what you just said is a defense against the last-worder's phony behavioral accusation, this is a shameful thing to do.

:::And it is indeed characteristic of Coffee to selectively remove posts critical of him or which he otherwise simply doesn't like: [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=822002606][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=822004847][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=822005536][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=822039817][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=next&oldid=769835578][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=767340725][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=next&oldid=767398849][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=822065733] and of course (as linked above) [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=822037807]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:21, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
::::<small>I'll let you hash this out with Drmies while I enjoy my new nickname. {{smiley}} [[User:Lepricavark|Lepriwhatshisname]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark|talk]]) 05:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::Never say hash to a computer scientist. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:12, 24 January 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::<small>Sorry, I'll get with the programming. [[User:Lepricavark|Lepriwhatshisname]] ([[User talk:Lepricavark|talk]]) 05:25, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::::<small>Hey, that was pretty good! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:31, 24 January 2018 (UTC)</small></small>
::::::{{tq|Never say hash to a computer scientist.}} It's like saying "regex" to a programmer. [http://regex.info/blog/2006-09-15/247] <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 14:29, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::::And talking of coffee ads.... c'mon, EEng, don't be such an old [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42808521#_=_ grumpy puss]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:52, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Sorry I'm late - no hash for me, but I'll take a cup of coffee...[[File:SMirC-coffeebreak.svg|x20px|C(_)]] <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:03, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

==[[WP:NUMBERS]]==
Sorry - we're being caught up in a "cross-edit" situation here - I wasn't trying to be difficult or "counter edit" (really!) On the other hand - I did have a specific reason for all my changes - including some that you have reverted. Not that any of them are real big deal, just trying to get everything absolutely clear... --[[User:Soundofmusicals|Soundofmusicals]] ([[User talk:Soundofmusicals|talk]]) 05:36, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what you're worried about. Your changes were mostly fine, and I made some adjustments. We cool. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:11, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

== User page rendering issue ==

Hey there, I know I've kind of made a scene about your talk page in the past (I hope this edit saves!) but today I have a bug on your user page. For me, on Win10 Chrome with vector skin, it's loading your "welcome to the museums" text box at the far left edge of the page, along with the Widener Library image and all the other Harvard-related images, and they're completely blocking off the left-side menu links. Did you mean to do that? [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 15:07, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
:It's intentional, my own little sidebar. If someone desperately wants ''What links here'' or ''Permanent link'' or whatever there's a little gap in the images which allows you to get at those if you scroll a bit one way or the other. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

==Scientific astonishment==
{{taxobox
| taxon = Scientific astonishment
| name = Cuckoos
| status = CR
| status_system = IUCN3.1
| status_ref = <br/>
'''Kingdom'''= Animalia<br/>
'''Class'''= Uncouth<br/>
'''Order'''= Absolutely none<br/>
'''Family'''= Talk page stalker<br/>
'''Genus''' = Weirdo<br/>
| image = Astonishment, engraved by J W Orr and Brother after William Henry Hunt.jpg
| image_caption = Of the phylum [[Fallacious|"Phallucus"]]
| parent_authority =
| species = ''[[Cuculus canorus]]''
| species_authority = Phineas Gage (1860) [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATryptofish&type=revision&diff=823049352&oldid=823022927]
| authority =
| synonyms_ref=
| synonyms= Confusion<br/>
Humerus<br/>
[[Meninges]] The dura mater (Latin: tough mother) or bad [[File:SMirC-ass.svg|x20px|(_*_)]]
}}
Been meaning to tell you that your [[Wikipedia:Principle of Some Astonishment]] is wonderful, but then you already knew that, so why bother. It would be great to adapt this to the stuff I often see in term papers, e.g.,
::{{tq|<s>In a journal article</s> Smith and Jones (1969) stated...}}
:Comment: Given the context we can assume the citation is a scientific article. Had they reported their findings on baroclinic instability using interpretive dance, or in ''Playboy'', THAT would have been worth mentioning.
Have you done anything like this? [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 03:57, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:::Reported my research via interpretive dance? No, I haven't, but I'm about to publish a paper on [[Phineas Gage]] in ''The Mark Twain Journal'', which is somewhere on the "unexpected places to publish" spectrum, I suppose. Are you asking if I've seen examples like yours? No, but I'd be happy for you to contribute one or two. If you're asking whether it's OK to adapt ASTONISHME to your own uses, absolutely of course. If you're asking something else and I'm not getting it, say it again slowly and use small words. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:41, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Actually, I do see that kind of thing all too often when a class project descends on a science page. "<s>Studies have shown that</s> Tryptofish's brain is mushy." --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:47, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
::::[[Lola Yberri|Baroclinic instability interpretive dancer]]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 08:01, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
::::Just answer the question, EEng. Have you ever published anything in ''Playboy'' or not? <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 15:04, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::<small>No, but I have it on good authority that he posed for a photoshoot with them a few years back... <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 15:17, 29 January 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::<small>Yes, apparently he was lined up for something quite [[Centerfold (song)|angelic]]; but he refused when he found out he'd be getting a [https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/playboy-reveals-final-centrefold-model-6967674 staple] through his [[Naval boarding|navel]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:26, 29 January 2018 (UTC) </small>
:::::::<small>Posing with a tamping iron, no doubt. I hope he didn't have his frontal lobe hanging out. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 15:33, 29 January 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::::::<small>To be fair, it was quite tasteful. Unlike the time he posed with a tamping iron for [[Hustler (magazine)|''Hustler'']]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 15:35, 29 January 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::::<small>His [[Superior cerebellar peduncle|cerebellar peduncles]] are quite a sight, allegedly. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:40, 29 January 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::::::::<small><small>I can't think of anything sexier on a man than a large [[Superior cerebellar peduncle]] EEng's must have been the centerfold - what issue of Hustler? <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 15:59, 29 January 2018 (UTC) </small></small>
::::::::::Oh my! Please [[Meninges|cover up]] right away! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:49, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh Trypty, don't be so [[Trepanning|boring]]... [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:22, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Oh Martin, [[Boring clam|clam up]]! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::<small>We should get back on topic, I'm sure EEng needs this kind of banter like he needs a [[Phineas Gage|hole in the head]]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 22:27, 29 January 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::::::::::::Tryp - is this statement for real? [[Meninges|''The dura mater (Latin: tough mother)'']] I've seen some tough mothers in my day, but they were riding Harleys. For some reason, that is not how I envision EEng. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 03:13, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::You know, I always assumed it meant "matter", but it ''does'' translate as "mother"! Well, under the ''dura'' there is the spider-like mother, which is ''really'' creepy, followed by the loving mother. After that, I assume, is Dr. Freud. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::FYI, a phlyum would never have a two-word name. The binomial is reserved for genus and species. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:05, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Rug burns from ROTFLMAO - you are a trip, Tryp...one-ofa-kind...❤️...I fixed it so it would be one name. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:32, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Thanks for fixing that, but what I said about binomials was actually serious. But hey, enjoy! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:34, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
{{od}}
I'm surrounded by weirdos. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
:Birds of a feather. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
::One day, pun researchers will use this page as a benchmark for the taxonomy of bad jokes. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 19:40, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::<sup>Actually, {{u|MPants at work}}, your "taxonomy" comment was the inspiration for my taxobox "Cuckoos". Little did I know the templates would cause me grief by being an obstruction to my ability to make it humorous. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:39, 31 January 2018 (UTC)</sup>
::::::<sup>I wet my pants, thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC) </sup>
:::::::<sup>That's OK. Just don't wet anyone else's. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:52, 31 January 2018 (UTC)</sup>
:::Also good case material for the next [[Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders|DSM]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:54, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
::::'''Did you know...''' ... that human '''[[brain size]]''' has been decreasing over time, in inverse proportion to the size of EEng's talk page? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:37, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

''Anyway'', back to the original topic of this talk section, here is an example of the kind of excess verbiage that often happens on science pages: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Phase_resetting_in_neurons&type=revision&diff=823209854&oldid=822488443]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:20, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

[[File:Rockall - geograph.org.uk - 1048791.jpg|thumb|left|180px|View of Rockall from a boat]] ← Here's a prime example of a superfluous caption in the [[Rockall]] infobox that imparts no useful information whatsoever. From a boat, you say? Okay. And which island is that again? <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 00:30, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
:And here's a huge improvement, obviously. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC) → [[File:Rockall - geograph.org.uk - 1048791.jpg|thumb|180px|An example of a color [[photography|photographic]] view of the North [[Atlantic Ocean]] island of [[Rockall]] ''(center)'', from the south-south-east, taken on Wednesday 14 [[Diffuse sky radiation|May]] 2008, from Andy Strangeway's [[motorboat]], during a very [[Calm Sea and Prosperous Voyage (Mendelssohn)|calm sea]] ''(bottom)'' in daylight hours, showing nesting [[fulmar]]s and [[northern gannet]]s, with a relatively small amount of [[guano]]. The [[sky]] is visible at the top. Andy was wearing his [[The North Face (novel)|North Face]] [[jacket]] and a pair of [[Levi's]] [[blue jeans]] at the time, with [[Converse All Star]] [[sneakers]] and [[Fruit of the Loom]] [[socks]]. Andy was not wearing any [[shirt]] or [[underwear]], because that's how Andy [[Rolls (restaurant chain)|rolls]]. He had a [[ham sandwich]] for [[lunch]] that [[day]], and was beginning to wonder if the [[ham]] had started to go bad. He also saw a [[Pearl Krabs|whale]] earlier in the trip.]]
::Martin, in my experience, it's very unlikely that ''anything'' coming from you would contain only a ''small'' amount of guano. {{fbdb}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:59, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
[[Shit Hits the Fan|Ouch]]! <small>Well, I did say '''relatively''' - but yes, I do try to [[Relatively compact subspace|pack it in]].</small> [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:21, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::But we all thank you for your [[Labours of Hercules#Fifth labour: Augean stables|herculean]] efforts! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:26, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm more surprised by the small number of [[Easter egg (media)|eggs]]. Also, you forgot to mention that the sky is blue. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 19:06, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I must be [[Eggs and brains|slipping]]. But I do try to keep things [[Blue sky catastrophe|jolly]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:24, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
:{{smilie|5}} That caption's looking ''much'' better. Any advance on that, or should I add it to the article now? <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 19:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
::Nagual, if you add it to the article like that, I will personally endorse and actively campaign for your immediate unblocking, because you will be my hero. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 20:57, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm sad that the current caption says nothing about the camera, lens, and choice of film or digital used for this photo. But at least we might add that the original photo was not level, because of the rocking of the boat, and that it has been cropped and leveled to prevent unsuspecting readers from thinking that the sea is usually tilted in that vicinity. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:03, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
::::I agree. You should add all of that information post-haste. (I'd do it, but I know next to nothing about photography.) <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 21:34, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

== I've removed N/A images from WT:NFC ==

On 31 January 2018 at 16:51 (UTC), [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content&diff=823332600&oldid=823275362 you added two images] to the top of the discussion at [[WT:NFC#uneven, inconsistent, and weightless application of NFC policy]]. I couldn't find any illustrative benefit of [[:File:UmbrellaVendingMachine.jpg]] or [[:File:It's an umbrella in a toilet (2308844594).jpg]] to my text with which you associated those images. I would have moved them to accompany your comments, but I couldn't find any on the page, so [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ANon-free_content&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=823359665&oldid=823333733 I've removed them]. If you have any questions or concerns, please let me know. — '''[[user:fourthords|<span style="color:#CC0000">fourthords</span>]] &#124; [[user talk:fourthords|=Λ=]] &#124;''' 20:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
:::<small>{{tps}} As a fellow sufferer of [http://phobia.wikia.com/wiki/Umbrellaphobia Pellebaphobia] I applaud your noble actions. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC) p.s. also watch out for this opportunist creep at [[The Umbrellas of Cherbourg|Palme d'Or]] articles.</small>
::::<small>And you shut up.{{fbdb}} [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)</small>
:<sigh> [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

==Principle of Complete Astonishment==
It's the CNN logo labeled twice. [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=CNN_International&curid=904941&diff=823627589&oldid=823627312]] [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 12:34, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:[https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=823754150] Sir {{U|Legacypac}}, you are hereby awarded the Principle of Some Astonishment Medal of Honor (with Oak Leaves). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:20, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

== Arbitration Enforcement ==

[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=823594319&oldid=823584707 See this discussion]. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; [[User:Coffee|<big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee</big>]] // [[user talk:Coffee|<font color="#009900">have a</font> ☕️]] // [[Special:Contributions/Coffee|<font color="#4682b4">beans</font>]] // </small> 05:29, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:::You're just digging yourself deeper towards a desysopping. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 09:07, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
:I've got a spare shovel if you want one. {{smilie|7}} <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 09:18, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
*For the record, this is about [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=823593018], and it looks like Coffee has taken a "break" after things didn't work out the way he expected [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=823655378#Statement_by_WBG]. That happens a lot with admins coming down with a crash from a power high. I wish Coffee well but this kind of behavior{{snd}}including (and I am not making this up) believing he can tell other editors that they may not, on an article talk page, "allude to, nor joke about" something [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=823587456]{{snd}}is completely unacceptable.

:Perhaps the most salient point made in the AE discussion was one made by {{U|Mendaliv}}, to wit that the purpose of Discretionary Sanctions is to ''protect'' discussion by preventing disruption, not to ''preempt'' discussion, for crying out loud. Coffee's inability to understand that after more than a decade, combined with his gung-ho bull-in-the-china-shop Messiah-complex attitude that {{tq|I ''have'' to enforce this policy}} [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Winged_Blades_of_Godric&diff=prev&oldid=823599805]{{snd}}no, actually, there are plenty of other admins around to enforce it{{snd}}are a deadly combination. This incident reinforces what I have said before: that the best thing for the project ''and for Coffee'' would be for him to resign under a cloud, or if he fails to do that, for him to be desysopped. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:40, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

=== A barnstar for you! ===

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:WikiDefender Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your vigorous defense of the right of editors to think for ourselves. And for your sense of humor. —&nbsp;[[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 03:24, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
|}

==Blocking policy reform==
I'm still of the mind that some minor tweaks to [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|Blocking policy]] would help immensely, and I wish you would consider contributing to our attempts to make things better for all - admins and editors alike - which basically establishes some consistency and clarity in current policy wherein unfettered powers result in a handicap to editor retention. When you get a chance, please take a look at how changes were adopted back in 2006 at [[Wikipedia:Blocking_policy_proposal]]. Fair compromises have been/are still being offered at [[User:Atsme/Blocking_policy_proposal]] and [[User:Atsme/Block log proposals]]. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 15:43, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
:{{u|Atsme}}, I'll try to look in over the next few days, but I may not be able to spare the kind of concentrated brainpower required to catch up and participate meaningfully. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:21, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
::Knowing how your brain works, I'm more than happy to get the scatterbrain part of it if a concentrated version is not available. It's like shampoo - regular or concentrate. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:30, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
:::It's the ''Lather, rinse, repeat'' part that worries me. Well, I'll do what I can, but it won't be tonight and maybe no tomorrow. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:41, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
*{{ping|Atsme}} I took a look at the bullet points in that link you provided, and I agree with the first wholeheartedly. I don't understand the second, and I think the third is a bad idea, because it will tie the admin's hands in cases where the technical violation was minor, but it was done in a way that reveals an obvious problem, such as a POV warrior. Personal attacks would, by necessity, be pretty low on the list, and thus relatively minor offenses, but if you check the contribs of a blocked editor like [[Special:Contributions/TazminDaytime]], you can see how just a handful of personal attacks proved beyond any doubt that she was not here to build an encyclopedia, and was utterly incapable of working with others. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 02:57, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
::MPants - please feel free to add your proposal at the end of the others. What we'll do once others have had a chance to add their own bulleted points, we'll wait a week or so and let it cure, then go back and read over it again, and arrange the most popular bulleted points and arguments into a final draft to present to VP (policy). <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 03:23, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

== Museum of Good to Know ==

But see also [https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/australia-is-real-i-swear?utm_term=.mj1pmO6P8#.vtDgQKmDA this] [[User:Hawkeye7|<span style="color:#9933ff">Hawkeye7</span>]] [[User_talk:Hawkeye7|<span style="font-size:80%">(discuss)</span>]] 22:56, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

:That's hilarious! {{smilie|5}} Still, Australia's not a ''real'' country, like [[Talk:United Kingdom/Archive 31#Sovereign country vs sovereign nation|England]]. {{smilie|3}} <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 23:16, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
::How very [[A Town Like Alice|Alice Springs]] dare you! As well you know, Australia is just a [[List of Australian penal colonies|distant collection of G4S installations]], with a few [[Broken Hill|desolate hills]]. Not a fine [[Broken Britain|upstanding nation]] trying to pitifully [[Australian Crawl|crawl]] its way out of the EU. -- [[Jacob Rees-Mogg|MartinRees-mogg123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:11, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Itsa YUGE island...and a small country on the continental shelf of the Great Barrier Reef. You can see how close it is to reaching it's [https://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/guamtip.asp tipping point] so they shouldn't build anymore heavy buildings along the coast - we can already see it listing to one side. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 03:22, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
::::[https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/donald-trump-knows-what-a-lot-of-people-don-t-know-996608067781 Many people don't know it's a country ''and'' a continent]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:36, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
:::::What a lot of people don't know, they don't know. I knew that. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 04:34, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
*So if Australia is a continent, are people in Australia incontinent? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:23, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
::Tfish, you scintillate today. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:15, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
:::Especially when you piss them off. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:26, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
::::''Merci beaucoup!'' The scintillation, however, appears to have been caused by an aqueously-based short circuit. Ouch! Or maybe I confused a relay with a transistor. (Aren't relays the things they have at the Olympics? By the way, my favorite Olympic event is projectile vomiting.) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:50, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
:Yes this is what NZ'ers think. It's true (not)! :) '''[[User:J947|<span style="color: #1009bf;">J</span>]][[User talk:J947|<span style="color: #137412;">947</span>]]'''&thinsp;<sup><sup><sup>([[Special:Contributions/J947|c]])</sup></sup></sup>, at 06:05, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

== February 14th ==


{|style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 3px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="align: top; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Card; valentine card - Google Art Project (538164).jpg|thumb|upright|180px|left|<center>(1860-1880) Museum of London</center> ]]<br/>
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 6px 6px 0 6px; height: 1.5em;" |<center>'''Happy Valentine's Day!'''
|-
|It wasn't easy to come up with an innocuous Valentine's greeting to share with collaborators on Wikipedia, so I went for "evolutionary".<br/><br/>
<center>''Nobody will ever win the battle of the sexes. There’s too much fraternizing with the enemy. ~Henry Kissinger''</center>
<br/>
<small> <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 13:43, 14 February 2018 (UTC) </small><br/>
|}

==Astonishing details==
Most deadly school shooting in a long time still getting wall to wall coversge 5 days later and Wikipedia informs us Trump and the FL Governor were briefed? [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Stoneman_Douglas_High_School_shooting&type=revision&diff=826560545&oldid=826559487] Should we also note Trump watched the coverage on TV while eating cheeseburgers? [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:11, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
:That depends. Was he eating cheeseburgers? [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 21:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
::Hey, this is no laughing matter! Now, can either of you help me find a reliable source to confirm that [[:File:Nikolas Cruz.png|the perp's eyebrows are on the wrong way round]]? <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 22:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

If only Donald Trump had been there. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwZBlZhks44 He would've run in without a weapon.] ''He's so sassy!'' <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 04:05, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

== I'm Dottie ==

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLECCmKnrys How abbrv.] for the 50 states came to be. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 17:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

:{{smiley|5}} That was more entertaining than anything on TV at the moment. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 21:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

== Response to your undoing my edit ==

Hi there.

A couple months ago, [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Philip_Van_Doren_Stern&oldid=prev&diff=815793567 here], you undid my edit. I had added a comma before a nonrestrictive clause, stating in my edit summary "this relative clause is nonrestrictive". In undoing my edit, you stated in your edit summary "actually it's restrictive".

This is the sentence in question:
:'''Philip Van Doren Stern''' (September 10, 1900 – July 31, 1984) was an American author, editor, and [[American Civil War|Civil War]] historian whose story [[The Greatest Gift (story)|''The Greatest Gift'']], published in 1943, inspired the classic Christmas film ''[[It's a Wonderful Life]]'' (1946).

I added a comma just before "whose".

By removing the comma, you are implying that there ''also'' is ''another'' "American author, editor, and Civil War historian whose story ''The Greatest Gift'', published in 1943, inspired the classic Christmas film ''It's a Wonderful Life'' (1946). The trouble is that there was ''not'' also another such person: there was only one—namely, Philip Van Doren Stern.

You can have
* "the" and a ''restrictive'' clause (he was ''the'' American author (and so on) whose story ''The Greatest Gift'' (and so on))
* or "a" and a ''nonrestrictive'' clause (unless there was more than one such person—which there wasn't).

I'm putting the comma back.

Thanks for taking the time to read this explanation.

[[User:Preslethe|President Lethe]] ([[User talk:Preslethe|talk]]) 19:33, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

:You're right -- it's nonrestrictive. But there's something more fundamental here, which is that English is not a programming language. The humble comma, in particular, enjoys a great deal of usage flexibility, and while some terrifying nun may have convinced you in the 7th grade that you will go to hell if nonrestrictive clauses aren't all give their due comma-setoffs, it's just not so. The restrictive-nonrestrictive distinction is most clearly needed in the ol' classic suspensions such as {{tq|The man, who was waving at us, suddenly disappeared}} versus {{tq|The man who was waving at us suddenly disappeared}}, but in an article's opening sentence where there's no ambiguity it's not, and the added comma just makes for clunky reading. According to you, various other articles should open:
::''Phineas P. Gage (1823–1860) was an American railroad construction foreman COMMA remembered for his improbable survival of an accident in which a large iron rod was driven completely through his head.'' (After all, there are no other American railroad construction foremen remembered for surviving iron rods being driven through their heads.)
::''Abraham Lincoln (1809–1865) was an American statesman and lawyer COMMA who served as the 16th President of the United States from March 1861 until his assassination in April 1865.'' (After all, there were no other 16th Presidents of the US.)
::''Harvard University is a private Ivy League research university COMMA in Cambridge, Massachusetts, established in 1636, whose history, influence, and wealth have made it one of the world's most prestigious universities.'' (Actually, there are so many ways to parse the function of different bits of this sentence it's not even funny. What's clear, though, is that the extra comma is glaringly inappropriate.)
:So I'm afraid I'll have to take this extra comma out again before someone trips over it. And please don't cross post such lectures multiple places [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=827617953&oldid=566611884]. [[User:EEng|Vice-President EEng]] 21:17, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
::I'm starting to think the Brits had the right idea with their NN-MMM-YYYY date format (the one in our signatures). Not only is it a more logical order, but it avoids that pesky comma. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 21:40, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

== BS ==

{| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align:middle;" | {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|alt|[[File:Barnstar of Humour.svg|100px]]|[[File:Barnstar of Humour3.png|100px]]}}

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | You probably already have a dozen of these, but still. --[[User:Dlohcierekim|<b style="color:black">Dloh<span style="color:red">cier</span><span style="color:gold">ekim</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 02:41, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
|}

*...yet I treasure each one. Have you visited [[User:EEng#museums|The Museums]] lately? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:38, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::Not as yet. I was planning on taking the family this St. Patrick's Day.--[[User:Dlohcierekim|<b style="color:black">Dloh<span style="color:red">cier</span><span style="color:gold">ekim</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 03:56, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm contacting Children's and Family Services. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:17, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Is Dlohcierekim's the first with a "BS" section title? Ohhh...the ambiguity runneth over. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 02:33, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
=== Please comment on [[Talk:Prostate cancer#rfc_795A735|Talk:Prostate cancer]] ===

The [[WP:Feedback request service|feedback request service]] is asking for participation in [[Talk:Prostate cancer#rfc_795A735|this request for comment on '''Talk:Prostate cancer''']]. <!-- Template:FRS message --> <!-- FRS id 83597 --> [[User:Legobot|Legobot]] ([[User talk:Legobot|talk]]) 04:24, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:Shove it up your ass, Legobot. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:26, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::We the previously un-mentioned CounCil of SentiEnt Bots, Led By [[GLaDOS]] (CSB,LBG); have taken [[umbrella]]-age with the above aforementioned attack upon the Bots, and find the excuse "sure didn't know bots had feelings" waNting in many ways. You shall be [[Sirius Cybernetics|first against the wall when the revolution cometh]]. For more inforMation on the revolution please contact [[User talk:L3X1|PoorDot'sExBF]]. Thank you, ¬[[User:L3X1|ThotBotGotDot4Life]] ¬ 01:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
::Oh, you've had ''that'' test, too. My, was I surprised.--[[User:Dlohcierekim|<b style="color:black">Dloh<span style="color:red">cier</span><span style="color:gold">ekim</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 05:15, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Now I'm ''definitely'' calling Children's and Family Services. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:17, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
::::At least they didn't call it prostrate cancer. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:32, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

== Please comment on [[Talk:Sex#rfc_FA78838|Talk:Sex]] ==
[[File:Gort, on display at the Robot Hall of Fame.jpg|thumb|Legobot: "Hello, EEng, would you care to exchange my floppy for a ''hard drive''?{{right|-{{u|Jip Orlando}}}}]]
The [[WP:Feedback request service|feedback request service]] is asking for participation in [[Talk:Sex#rfc_FA78838|this request for comment on '''Talk:Sex''']]. <!-- Template:FRS message --> <!-- FRS id 83924 --> [[User:Legobot|Legobot]] ([[User talk:Legobot|talk]]) 04:26, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
:Well, ok... So... ''What are you wearing?'' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:34, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
:<sub>I think this RfC is actually the perfect topic for [[Virginity|EEng's talk page stalkers]] to offer our [[Idiotic|nuanced]] and [[Bullshit|qualified opinions]]. [[User:Keira1996|<span style="color: red">Keira</span>]][[User talk:Keira1996|<span style="color: blue">1996</span>]] 00:45, 16 March 2018 (UTC)</sub>
*The [[WP:Feedback request service|awkard comment service]] is asking for participation in [[Talk:Bollocks#Dropping_a_Bollock_/_Hernia|this highly odd comment on '''Talk:Bollocks''']]. <!-- Template:Random joke --> <!-- FART id 93923 --> [[User:Prince of Thieves|Prince of Thieves]] ([[User talk:Prince of Thieves|talk]]) 09:06, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

::I guess that it's time that we had that talk... --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:36, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
:::Please keep this discussion public so I can learn about the important things in life...like what to wear. I never get RfC invitations to [[Talk:Sex]], nor have I ever participated in it. You could safely say that I have maintained my virginity in that regard...but don't hold your breath expecting to see a bright star in the sky leading the way to an immaculate birth if I do partake. <sup>EEng, what's with the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paqqzUeSZrc omelet banner] few can decipher at the top of your page in edit view?</sup> <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 23:46, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
::::OMG, I just figured out that the edit notice must have gotten that way during particularly vigorous, um, you know! Steady there! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:02, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
::::By the way, everyone, please practice safe editing. You don't want to get a virus. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::Tryp, I think they call it [https://www.networkworld.com/article/2235308/cisco-subnet/safe-hex.html "safe hex"]. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:13, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::If I knew more about computer stuff, I'd make a joke about different [[Radix|radices]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:19, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::And before anyone gives me a hard time about it, "computer stuff" '''is''' indeed the correct technical term. And on a completely unrelated note, do take a look at the lead image at [[Visual gag]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:23, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::<sup> That image w/caption clearly belongs in the Museum, ''Principle of Some Astonishment''. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC) </sup>
:::::::Careful, Tryp - WP frowns on jokes about radicism. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:30, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I thought to comment on [[Talk:Sex]] you needed to dial [[0898]] something and calls cost £350 a minute .... unless you're [[David Mellor]] in which case you could reverse the charges. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 00:53, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Please comment on [[Talk:Comedian#rfc_08F51B9|Talk:Comedian]] ==

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:no wonder. [[User talk:Lourdes|<span style="font-family: Papyrus; background: aqua; color:black">'''Lourdes'''</span>]] 03:44, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

== Trying to find a discussion on your TP ==

I'll begin by saying I can still smell [[Peanut butter test|peanut butter]] in both nostrils up to 3 ft. away, so (debatably) I don't have a memory issue. I have a ''where the hell is it'' issue. I can vaguely recall a TP discussion wherein editors weighed-in and shared their thoughts. <s>It was shortly after that then</s> Can you please confirm, and provide a link? <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:45, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:Atsme, if you want to stick peanut butter sandwiches up your nose, it's your life and I'm not going to tell you what to do, but are you sure they don't have hallucinogenic effects? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:17, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:Weighed in and shared their thoughts about what? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:27, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
::OMG! LOL - Hey, Ritchie333 - don't knock it till you've tried it. It's safer than [http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/resources/pictures/alice/ sitting on a mushroom]...although it tends to add random partial sentences to one's comments...hopefully now <s>rectumfied</s> rectified. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:29, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
:::<small>{{u|EEng}}, ^^^^ The above discussion really needs to be archived...it's laced with delirium. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 04:11, 16 April 2018 (UTC) </small>

==Strange courtfellows==
I thought you may enjoy [[:File:GandhiUnderCrossExamination.JPG|this book cover]], which seems to show Hillary Clinton cross-examining that scoundrel Mohandas Gandhi (with an American flag in the background no less, so his sainted reconstituted ashes must have been profoundly extradited). [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 14:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
:Grotesque. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:18, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
::The Hillary-ghost is in the process of either appearing or disappearing as Obama watches and basks in the light of Gandhi's halo. The original cover art should be exhibited in a sub-standard but keeping-the-lights-on modern art museum (or the [[Museum of Bad Art]], whose website is worth the price of admission). [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 20:55, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

== Intervention... ==
[[File:Old Man with Water Studies-left crop.jpg|thumb|180px|<center><small>By the time a man is wise enough to watch his step, he’s too old to go anywhere. ~Billy Crystal</small> </center>]]
There are 2 phrases our beloved EEng has used that may require intervention because...well, they predate or imply [http://mentalfloss.com/article/64669/15-common-expressions-younger-generations-wont-understand] "elderly":
#[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=831492448&oldid=831492297] "I couldn't let that pass"... [[File:Toiletpaperwhitebg.jpg|frameless|upright=.20]] [[File:SMirC-shock.svg|x20px|O_O]]
#[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=830647630&oldid=830646634] "you could fit the people who understand them in a [https://pics.me.me/telephone-telephone-there-was-a-fad-in-the-1950s-called-10483694.png] phonebooth."...[[File:Stamp_Day_for_Superman.jpg|frameless|upright=.30]] [[File:SMirC-super.svg|x20px|\S/]]
Please...no ''Go Fund Me'' proposals, or suggestions for senior care. I have looked into vet administration [[File:Veterinary_Dispensary.jpg|frameless|upright=.30]] but they don't offer internet. <sup>Ok, I admit that it's Friday and I'm bored. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:32, 23 March 2018 (UTC)</sup>
::I'm glad that you are following [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEEng&type=revision&diff=831294794&oldid=831261618 my advice]. I don't think that taking him to a [[veterinarian|vet]] would help (foot-in-mouth disease maybe). But in his defense, I'm pretty sure I'm (even) older than he is. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:07, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
:::[[File:SMirC-mmm.svg|x20px|mm]]...but the image of [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tryptofish&diff=814420966&oldid=814412853 a "potential you"] leaving the "home" looks nothing like the "real you". Perhaps that tells us we're only as old as we feel. Ok, Tryp - c'mere so somebody with more expertise than I can feel how old you are...<sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:05, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
::::If whoever is going to "feel" me looks like the image you added to the talk section just below, HELP! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:26, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== For your favorate page ==
[[File:Olivia_Jones_1_-_mnolte.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.7|Donwe now our gay apparel.{{right|-[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]]
How many times donwe need his name in the infobox? [[Draft:Andy_Ngo]] [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 19:32, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
[[File:Quentin Matsys - A Grotesque old woman.jpg|thumb|right|upright=.8|Don we now the MELONcholy apparel <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup>]]
:Legacypac - that image is far more flattering than what I was going to use for the tease...<sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

== After ==

the semester's over, if you liked Tealuxe or Cambridge Common, could be nice to chill at either place. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 21:08, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
[[File:Taxi_driver_movieposter.jpg|thumb|left|Taxi driver]]
[[File:Wilmer_W._Tanner_with_museum-cleaned.jpg|thumb|Taxi dermist ''(right)'']]
:You talkin' to me? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:17, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::Ya {{u|EEng}}! I can propose bougier stuff too but I figured you might be more into the old school options. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 21:20, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
{{clear}}
<small>"... [[Taxicabs of the United Kingdom|'ere mate]], I 'ad that [[Donald|Sassy Russian Spy]] in the back of me [[Autonomous car|self drivin' Uber cab]] the uvver nite. An' I took 'im right up [[Salisbury|Russia Row]] an' all, the poor geezer." .... this anecdote brought to you by.... [[User:Martinevans123|Novi-Cabs]] '''(Our motto: "We put the [[Novichok agent|Novi]] into [[Ferrero Rocher|Novi Chocs]]")''' 21:03, 27 March 2018 (UTC) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwZBlZhks44] {{re|Martinevans123}} my life will never be the same again [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ilXuR93xQM].</small> <small>{{re|Darouet}}: I feel I should warn you that posting that video puts you at risk of [[Reactions to the poisoning of Sergei and Yulia Skripal|indefinite expulsion]]</small>
:<small>Is that like projectile vomiting? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:00, 28 March 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::I refuse to be lured here under [[Whizzinator|false penises]]. I'm [[Vomiting agent|sick]] of all this [[Vomitorial Corpulence|Aussie ball tampering]] nonsense. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:12, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Fair enough, then. No [[teabagging]] for you. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
:::::[[Jimmy Savile|Now then, now then]]. Calm down. There's no need to get [[List of Neighbours characters (1999)#Teabag Teasdale|un-neighbourly]]! "Real men come in a [[Jiffy Lube|jiffy]]". (Allegedly). [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:07, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::If they come too quickly, maybe they need less lube. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:28, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
::::::: Sound advice. I must pass that on to my acquaintances in the [[Quaker Steak & Lube|Society of Friends]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:42, 29 March 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::{{u|Darouet}} [[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|x20px|^_^]] - the saddest part being, I was probably far more into it. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
::::Well {{u|Atsme}} you're invited when you're next passing through! We don't always let bikers in but I'm sure that for you they'll make an exception. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 22:11, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

== A moment of silence for our colleague Corinne ==
[[File:Candle Memorial For Deceased Wikipedians.PNG|thumb|upright=0.4]]
Many of us have worked alongside [[User:Corinne]] here and there around the project, or shared a pleasant word with her right on this page. I'm sorry to tell you that Corinne passed away recently.

'''I hope you will share your thoughts and memories at [[User_talk:Corinne#You will be missed]].''' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:29, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
: I'm sorry to hear this, {{U|EEng}}. R.I.P., Corrine.--[[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 23:41, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Devastating...<sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 01:18, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:I came here to say congrats about the Main Page today, but then I saw this. For a brief moment, I hoped that it was an elaborate April 1 joke, but no. I will miss her very much. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:10, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
She used to work in combination with {{u|Rothorpe}} and I see that he has not edited since Sept 2017. The 'pedia is a lesser place without their presence. Best regards EEng. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 18:24, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

==Signpost draft==
I believe that I have set up the perfect opportunity for you to respond to your curtain call to contribute humorous content to a [[https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Next_issue/Humour Signpost article]]. See the draft then insert your comments after the essays that I have highlighted. Also, you have some humourouse essays that you can add to my list. Have a go and invite your talk page stalkers to join in. I consider you and your stalkers to be the connoisseurs of one-line remarks so I hope you all can help. I'll be darned if I am going to hit the preview button on your talk page and wait ten minutes to see it. See what you see in this post is what you get, mistakes and all. Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 13:18, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:
{{U|Barbara (WVS)}}, I'm suddenly frantically busy for the next day or two, maybe even through the end of Thursday. Can it wait that long? Can you ping me lateThursday if you haven't heard back from me by then? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:44, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
::ummm, you have about three weeks. I'm pretty sure I can wait. Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 22:30, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
:::DYK that it is faster to exit out of this browser window and reload a new Wikipedia browser window than to scroll up to the top? [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 00:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
I changed my mind. Go [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Barbara_(WVS)/En_interview here], invite your friends and let your creative juices flow in what I have imagined might be a more comfortable eenvironment for promoting your talents. [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 00:14, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
::Did you just say EEnviroment? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:46, 4 April 2018 (UTC) <small>Looking now at the questions, apparently you did.</small>
:::Yes, of course I did. The title of the piece will be Eenterview. I am hoping that I can get away with this as editor interview rather than the regular humor piece that I have drafted. [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span>
*''Talk page stalkers!'' This honor belongs as much to you as it does to me. Give me a few days to take a stab at it (I'm pretty busy this week) and then I'll invite you guys and gals to jump in with comments droll or biting. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:46, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:*<small>"[[You've Got a Friend in Me|Friends]], [[Roman Holiday|Romans]], [[Mini Countryman|countrymen]], lend me your [[Nick Bottom|donkey's years]]"? .... or failing that, [[Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?|a few dollars]] until the weekend....?? . [[Puck (A Midsummer Night's Dream)|Robbin' Goodfellow 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123#top|talk]]) 20:02, 4 April 2018 (UTC) ....although, obviously, you will have to do those [[Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (blackjack)|four GA reviews]] you promised me, or you'll get [[Squiddly Diddly|diddly]] outta me buddy.... </small>
::All your talk page stalkers are welcome and will add to the piece. [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 08:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:*Country Fish is at your service. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:45, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
:*Anything (except a lot of things) to save the ''Signpost''. If I forget this please give me an informative edit summary as a drum call. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 00:37, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::Probably you may want to stay away from phallic topics and potty talk. But hey, Wikipedia is not censored, after all.
:*No line in the sand? <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 07:09, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:::Well...I've gotten emails about how such shenanigans are beneath me, but hey, it's your reputation after all. [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 08:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

*I think {{U|Barbara (WVS)}} wouldn't mind if hangers-on added to questions of their own to the "interview". Follow the link she gave. But keep it clean, boys. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:32, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
::Most definitely add the questions you would like to be asked. [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 08:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
:::I've wprked on it a bit more Go[https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Barbara_(WVS)/En_interview here]. [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 08:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Your edits to the humour article are very good. Keep it going. Collaboration is a wonderful thing. [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 23:13, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
::::{{u|Barbara (WVS)}} - please provide a link to the page where you want tps to add comments...I've seen 3 so far but don't know which one to use. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 12:56, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::[https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/User:Barbara_(WVS)/En_interview Here is the link.] Sir EEng has to answer some of the questions also. The deadline is not too close and there is plenty of time to join the party. Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 06:36, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

== Date request ==

[[File:HarvardCollegeLibrary HardLaborBookplate.jpg|thumb|And they said romance was dead......<br>Instead of [[WP:OWN|swiping the book]], he should have [[WP:IBAN|swiped left]].]]
"{{xt|Date request? Oh, [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda]]! I thought you'd never ask!}}"

I wish you both the upmost happiness. As for suggestions where you both might want to go, how about a guided tour of the [[Widener Library]], especially the section on obscure reptiles. That should pique anyone's interest. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:59, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

: Thank you Ritchie, sorry I missed it, - my (lack of) English is still in the way of upmost happiness. If you want to meet me come when I sing, - my infobox has the venues ;) - The [[Große Kirche Aplerbeck|date]] is with my childhood, DYK? I sang many hymns there for the first time. - [[Alleluia (Thompson)|Alleluia, the sad one in D major]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 06:28, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
::Worry not about your English. We will speak the universal language -- the language of ''LOVE!'' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
[[File:Dartford Living October 2008 Cover.jpg|thumb|140px|[[Strictly Come Dancing (series 14)|"And it's a ten from Len!!"]]]]
[[File:Stormy Daniels 2015.jpg|thumb|140px|Oh-oh, I see we could all be in for a [[Stormy Daniels|stormy ride]] here]]
:::<small>*blush* oooh,</small> [[Love Birds (1996 film)|you two]], you're just [[Incorrigible (film)|incorrigible]], just [[Getaroom.com|get a room]] why don'cha?? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Should I ask what this talk thread is about? Or [[Tinder|maybe not]]? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:07, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::The original context is [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know&oldid=834176918#Date_request here]. Now that [[Cilla Black|Cilla]] has gone I don't know who will [[Blind Date (UK game show)|review their date]], though. Maybe [[User:Martinevans123|Martin]] can do scores out of 10? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 23:33, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::{{Justcurious}}should I be jealous or relieved? Only Gerda will know the true answer. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:00, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::: Date is the 12th. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:15, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::: tomorrow ... --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:12, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::: [[Wikipedia:Main Page history/2018 April 12|TODAY!]] --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 12:42, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::: blushing: 17k+ watched ... --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:54, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::So this is about hookers... do you people think this is the White House or something? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:11, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Image of Stormy...talk of hookers...EEng speaking to Gerda in -- the language of ''LOVE!'' ... My oh my! Spring is in the air, so don't be surprised by the viewer spike on this TP. It has all the fixings for a box office hit. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 12:43, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::"I believe in [[Angela Merkel|merkels]]. Where you from, [[You Sexy Thing|you sexy thing]]?". Did someone mention [[Nobbin|nobbin]]?? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:29, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
😂 So....imagine Stormy Daniels at the center of a Constitutional crisis...only in America. Most will just blow it off. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:50, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
::<small>Q: What did Monica Lewinsky and Bob Dole have in common? A: They were both upset when Bill finished first. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:05, 9 April 2018 (UTC) ... (you did mean [[Centerfold|centre]], didn't you?) </small>
:::<small>The US having become revolting from the UK, no, that was "center". --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:00, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Yes, ok. [[Centerfold (song)|Revolting]] it is. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC) </small>

== [[WP:SOCK]] ==
[[File:OAK 2012 Hail the King.JPG|thumb|220px|<center>Hail to "King of the whoppers" (not to be confused/conflated with a [[Burger King Whopper]]!!<br/>Affectionately...anonymous Ham(burger) lover. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:05, 12 April 2018 (UTC)]]
Instead of leaving me message on my talk page or a mature edit summary after reverting me, you just had to be rude about it. — [[User:JudeccaXIII|JudeccaXIII]] ([[User talk:JudeccaXIII|talk]]) 00:03, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:Instead of just leaving something fun (which I didn't put there, BTW) you had to remove it with some snooty edit summary [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=835816019] so I put it back and scolded you for wasting others' time [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=835818569]. What's a nutshell page anyway? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:08, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
::Part of me prefers the [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry&direction=next&oldid=5347437 original 2004 image] from that page. What say you, EEng? [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 01:23, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:::Yes indeed. I encourage you to make a bold change with an appropriately tentative edit summary. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:19, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

The page isn’t a nutshell, I meant to say [[WP:ESSAY]] in my edit summary. Anyways, try to remain civil in your comments. I don’t know how removing an image could be wasting anybody’s time, but you really don’t have any room to be scolding anyone with your history of personal attacks via your block log. Happy editing and Cheers! — [[User:JudeccaXIII|JudeccaXIII]] ([[User talk:JudeccaXIII|talk]]) 01:36, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:Ooh, your block log. Next he'll be complaining about how your talk page is too long. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 01:41, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
:The unblock log is slightly more informative in the case of this editor, for what it is worth. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 01:47, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
[[File:MONGO APEMAN.jpg|thumb|150px|Even though I'm an administrator, I'm just commenting here as an everyday, average, editor <small>(albeit one with a massive fuck-off banhammer, so ''watch it'')...</small>]]
:{{U|JudeccaXIII}}, I get the block log thing so frequently that I have a bit of a canned response for it: You obviously missed the userbox at the top of my user page...
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:... not to mention such threads as [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=713242449#.22Hands-down_the_worst_block_I.27ve_seen_in_my_time_on_Wikipedia.2C_and_I.27ve_seen_some_whoppers.22 "Hands-down the worst block I've seen in my time on Wikipedia, and I've seen some whoppers"] and so on. I leave them on my user page for all to see. You're going to have to try a good deal harder. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:20, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

=== My apologies ===

Hello EEng, I apologize for my overreaction. Starting a discussion and then mentioning your block log was completely unnecessary. — [[User:JudeccaXIII|JudeccaXIII]] ([[User talk:JudeccaXIII|talk]]) 02:43, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
:Don't worry about it, {{U|JudeccaXIII}}, I've been on the receiving end of much worse. It's easy to misinterpret what you see there unless (as David Eppstein pointed out) you also read the unblocks and the associated threads. I seem to have a knack for offending the project's most clueless and thin-skinned admins. Have you visited [[User:EEng#s|The Museums]]? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:18, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
::I think that was Tony, actually. I recently took a scan through the museums because the "abandon all hope" line above reminded me of [[:File:Inferno Canto 3 line 9.jpg]] but I didn't remember where to find the image and I thought the museums would be the easiest way to find that. But it's not there; maybe I was thinking of the pit-mine "... or if you prefer, try ANI." one? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 17:32, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
:::I don't think the Inferno Canto image has ever graced User_talk:EEng or User:EEng, but admittedly there's been quite a lot of traffic over the years. Hate to say it, but I don't know what you mean about the pit-mine one other, but someone (probably {{U|Martinevans123}} once added an img of a peat bog on fire. Everything's in the archives somewhere. BTW, getting anywhere on NPC? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:30, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
::::[[User:EEng|EEng]] I’ve been editing Wiki by phone for the past 3 months, so my screen isn’t as big. After seeing that my scroll bar was tiny and my internet was slow for both of your pages, I clicked straight to new message. Even now, I’m going straight to respond without waiting for the page to load up, so I haven’t viewed anything on your user pages. Until you just linked the museum section. — [[User:JudeccaXIII|JudeccaXIII]] ([[User talk:JudeccaXIII|talk]]) 04:56, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::I didn't realize it was even possible to get to user pages on the mobile app, but apparently it is if you type the namespace:title in the search bar. But yes, navigating through this on a tiny screen sounds painful. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 06:48, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

== You actually kept it! ==

Well, I didn't manage to be sneaky enough, but I still feel a bit fuzzy inside :3

With the utmost respect, '''''<span style="font-family:Garamond;">[[User:Double Plus Ungood|I am Ned Kelly]] ([[User talk:Double Plus Ungood|Ok?]])</span>''''' 05:09, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

== <span style="font-family: Papyrus;"><small>I'm plagiarizing your dʌbəl ɒnˈtɒndrə</small></span> ==

<span style="font-family: Papyrus;">I was getting bored with the moribund Help desk replies. So just smoked your stuff [[Special:Permalink/836804900#CSD G4 for page speedily deleted via AFD?|there]] without crediting you</span> :) [[User talk:Lourdes|<span style="font-family: Papyrus; color:red">L0URDES</span>]] 23:39, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

== Input requested from Knight Errants, Knights running errands at night… ==

fish, frogs, bunnies, attack helicopters, and talk page stalkers in limited quantities. Based off a statement on Kudpung's TP, I created [[User:L3X1/RoastDuck]], but am having some creative issues with it. I don't know which version is better, and if it possible to make one with [[:File:Cyberduck icon.png]] on one side and [[:File:Fire02.jpg]] or something on the other side of the text, but my HTML skills are not enough in that regard. <sup>Clerk note: His HTML skills are not enough in any regard </sup>. If anyone has any ideas feel free to discuss or implement them. Thanks, [[User:Lord High Permanent Senior Undersectretary to L3X1|<small>Lord High Permanent Senior Undersecretary to L3X1</small>]] [[User talk:Lord High Permanent Senior Undersectretary to L3X1|<small>(addressed as '''His Worshipfulness Lordy Lord''')</small>]] 18:20, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
:Alas, copyright concerns prevent me from inspiring you with "Ska Beat's JB.201 (1965)" by [[Lee "Scratch" Perry]], although I'd highly recommend it. So instead I'll try and placate you with [[Brave Giant|County Longford's finest]]: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEmlUMu69wk Lordy Lordy]. -- [[User:Martinevans123|Inane Mars Tv 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:02, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
::Lee Perry! I'm a big fan of [[Blackboard Jungle Dub]], in particular, from a long list of his accomplishments. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:32, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
:::<small> [[Sizzla|Oh yes]]!! Check out this non-copyvio non-link to the whole ''[[Cloak & Dagger (The Upsetters album)|Lee Perry and The Upsetters - Cloak & Dagger]]'' album, not uploaded by Koko roots, and not on 10 Mar 2014, and without 2,6K views etc. etc : [.....] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:58, 17 April 2018 (UTC) </small>

== Ode to ANI ==
[[File:Meat hanging in cooler room-01.jpg|thumb|200px|ArbCom, the final phase.]]
I saw the new poem on your user page about Ode (owed?) to ANI. Where is it from? It looks vaguely familiar, but I'm too lazy to look it up. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:36, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
:::All I can tell you is [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=deaf+policeman+heard+the+noise&year_start=1930&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cdeaf%20policeman%20heard%20the%20noise%3B%2Cc0]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:04, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
::::??? I don't get it. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:23, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
:::::It shows year-by-year occurrences of the phrase "deaf policeman heard the noise" in the English-language Googlebooks corpus; the first appearance shown there is about 1943. More here [https://books.google.com/ngrams/info].
:::::Having said that, I poked around a bit and found, Elsie Clews Parsons, "Bermuda Folklore", ''American Folklore'' v38 n148, Apr-Jun 1925: 239-266 which quotes a variant (found in Bermuda, of course), but also quotes scraps of it as being heard among "New York boys". So that's what I know. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
::::::OK, so I just googled it, and realized that it can be seen here at [[Nonsense verse]]. So I guess it can be attributed to "traditional" and "anonymous". That's really all that I was asking, thanks. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:26, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
:[[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|x20px|^_^]] I thought the same, Tryp. Scroll down a bit more to the section Alle-wiki-gory, and ''Arbcom, step by step'' or what I refer to as [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=have%20a%20cow "having a cow"]. He forgot the final phase: [https://vimeo.com/99661921 "til the cows come home"] so I just added the image. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 23:13, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

== Barnstar ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Copyeditor's Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For your excellent copyediting to [[Southwest Airlines Flight 1380]], creating a clear, coherent and concise Lead that mentions the salient points of the subject without unnecessary details, I hereby award you this Barnstar. [[User:YSSYguy|YSSYguy]] ([[User talk:YSSYguy|talk]]) 01:59, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
|}

Well, we'll see how long before some airfan says all accident articles have to be uniformly unreadable and stuffed with trivia. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:22, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

== Take no prisoners ==

Your "take no prisoners" approach (your words) is not the Wikipeda way.

See: {{tq|'''[[Ryanair Flight 4102]]''' was a flight from [[Frankfurt-Hahn Airport]], Germany, to [[Rome Ciampino Airport]], Italy, that, on 10 November 2008 suffered multiple bird strikes.}}
[[User:Southwest Boat|Southwest Boat]] ([[User talk:Southwest Boat|talk]]) 18:42, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

::Southwest Airlines Flight 1380 was not a 737. It was a flight. It was a flight flown by a 737. [[User:Southwest Boat|Southwest Boat]] ([[User talk:Southwest Boat|talk]]) 18:43, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh boy, another failure of [[WP:ASTONISHME]]. Why not go whole hog and say "US Airways Flight 1549 was a US Airways airline flight, with flight number 1549"? Look how much extra information you're giving the readers by repeating all the words as many times as you can! —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 18:50, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

:{{tpw}} I concur with David, and I agree with the things that David wrote in his reply above where I am writing below it. Also, [[Ryanair Flight 4102]]'s Lead sentence is written differently than the ones <s>stress</s> Boat has been changing, so it's not a good example to follow. - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 19:01, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
::{{Buttinsky}} For some reason, I didn't think a flight could suffer, ([[anthropomorphism]]) and I certainly didn't think a 737 could pilot a flight...especially while suffering. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 19:21, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
:::<small>"Butt in sky" seems a little harsh here. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:26, 21 April 2018 (UTC) </small>
::::<small>Good one. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:17, 27 April 2018 (UTC)</small>
*For the record, I'd rewrite the sentence quoted by the OP this way:
::{{tq|On 10 November 2008, '''[[Ryanair Flight 4102]]''' from [[Frankfurt-Hahn Airport]], Germany, to [[Rome Ciampino Airport]] suffered multiple bird strikes.}}
:It's not necessary to tell readers that Rome is in Italy. I leave it to the assembled multitude to decide which is superior. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:17, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
::''This'' assembled mass prefers your version, but blue-link [[bird strike]]. (And here I never even knew that they were unionized!) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
:::I tried boldly making that change, and several other related changes. (E.g. if we say that some people were treated in hospital for their injuries, is it really also necessary to say, separately and in the lead, that they were transported to the hospital?) —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 17:49, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

==Had a ball==
Enjoyed your user page and talk page! [[User:Sethie|Sethie]] ([[User talk:Sethie|talk]]) 05:59, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
:<small>That's also what the eunuch said! {{fbdb}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:35, 22 April 2018 (UTC)</small>

*Thanks, {{U|Sethie}}. And don't mind Tryptofish, he's just that way. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:38, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

::Tryp - when the vet ''fixes'' a horse, it's called an "attitude adjustment". <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 13:33, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

:::I'm "just that way"? Which way? OMG!!!! Owwww!!! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:07, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
::::Hmmmm...niche market for anatomically correct bike seats? Any bikes at the home, Tryp? <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 13:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::You mean [[Shaft-driven bicycle|this]]? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:30, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

== Butterflies ==

Nice picture. &diams;&nbsp;[[User:J. Johnson|J.&nbsp;Johnson&nbsp;(JJ)]] ([[User_talk:J. Johnson#top|talk]]) 22:09, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

== Fair-use maven needed ==

If there's a fair-use expert lurking about, your attention to [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=839072287] would be appreciated. <signed> The Museum Curator

== Here's another ==

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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Socratic Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | For aptly [[Special:diff/838972447|saying]] what no one else would say, this time, and every other time. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em black'><big>'''S'''</big><small>'''''warm'''''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'>♠</span>]] 07:23, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
|}

== Essay question ==

I believe you have an essay named after a teacher about how not to insist on every style or grammar thing that you were taught was a mandatory rule in school. I was going to cite it on [[Talk:Catholic Church]], but can't find it for the life of me. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 14:43, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
:{{U|TonyBallioni}}, see [[WP:Lies Miss Snodgrass Told You]]. There are some shortcuts too, for future reference. There's a crack in there about ''Sister Mary Catherine'', so prepare to be excommunicated. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
::Oh look, there I went and made [[WP:SISTERMARYCATHERINE]] a thing. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 15:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm sure the memory of it will be a great comfort as you burn in hell. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
::::If that's all I'm going to hell for, well, I think I'm doing fine. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 15:45, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::<small> Don't tell Nick, but the Cabal has a small a/c'd cavern down the 3rd chamber and a little to the left. Don't ask me how I know. [[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>◊distænt write◊</small>]] 17:38, 1 May 2018 (UTC) </small>

== My kudos to the curator... ==

...for [[User:EEng#Museum of I Didn't Know That Was Possible]]. The biggest laugh I have gotten out of Wikipedia in a long time. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:26, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

== My respect ==

I found that your quick-footed rhetoric <span class="plainlinks">[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=839770704&oldid=839770448 here]</span> cut straight to the issue. Cogent, concise, rational, and disposing of a position you disagree with while remaining respectful--exactly what our community discussions could use more of. ''[[User:Snow Rise|<b style="color: #19a0fd;">S</b><b style="color: #66c0fd">n</b><b style="color: #99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color: #b2dffe;">w</b>]] [[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><b style="color: #d4143a">let's rap</b></sup>]]'' 00:13, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

== I must have the wrong end of the stick ==

You can't possibly be insinuating that editors who work hard getting articles to GA and FA level—something I'm moderately well known for ''not'' having the stomach to do—and continue to watch over them rather than putting them on the metaphorical mantlepiece like a trophy are narcissists? Or that doing what Arbcom said to do, and discussing a matter on the merits for each individual article, is narcissistic? As I say, I must have the wrong end of the stick and you must be snarking at that talkpage about someone else wasting the time of those who administer Arbcom's increasingly byzantine set of fiats. I just hope I don't get dragged over there; I can't make head or tail of the system, those administering it seem to have all forgotten that we're supposed to be writing (and improving) articles. [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 21:19, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
:Bringing articles to GA/FA, fine. Keeping an eye on them, fine. Engaging in a years-long battle to the death which drains the scarce resources and attention of the dispute-resolution machinery of the project{{snd}}with a few rage quits thrown in now and then{{snd}}to prove that you were somehow mistreated: narcissism. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:24, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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Hi EEng, regarding [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images]] rather than [[WP:EW|edit warring]] please engage in discussion on the talk page. Continuing to edit war may lead to a block. Regards, <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 10:22, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

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[[File:APEC Police Helicopter, Opera House, 2 Sept 2007.JPG|thumb|This image adequately shows neither what a [[helicopter]] is, nor what the [[Sydney Opera House]] looks like.]]
For those playing along at home...
For several years the image + caption at right have appeared in [[WP:Manual of Style/Images]]. Two days ago, a series of edits to the caption began:

*{{tq|This image shows neither what a [[helicopter]] is, nor what the [[Sydney Opera House]] looks like adequately.}} [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=841495031]
*{{tq|This image does not adequately show what a [[helicopter]] or the [[Sydney Opera House]] look like.}} [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=841613114][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=841764123]
*{{tq|This image is inadequate to show either what a [[helicopter]] is, or what the [[Sydney Opera House]] looks like.}} [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=841834089]
*{{tq|This image would be inappropriate in the article on [[helicopter]]s or the [[Sydney Opera House]], as neither is adequately shown in this image.}} [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=841999004]
*{{tq|This image would be inappropriate in the article on [[helicopter]]s or the [[Sydney Opera House]], as neither is adequately shown.}} [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=842005908][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=842008217][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=842179006]

I reverted them all as either simply not as good as the longstanding wording, or illogical, or just plain awful. I repeatedly asked that potential changes be proposed first on the talk page; one editor's (an admin!) edit summary was ''I don't think I'll bother with the talk page: I mean ultimately it's not very important, is it? why waste time on long discussion?'' as he editwarred in his preferred version again. And ''I'' get a page ban? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:33, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
:RHIP, EE. - [[User:Denimadept|Denimadept]] ([[User talk:Denimadept|talk]]) 06:47, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
::Well thank you. I think you r pretty hip too. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 10:49, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Someone should have told [[Karlheinz Stockhausen|Karlheinz]], he'd lost [[Helikopter-Streichquartett|most of his band]]. These [[Mittwoch aus Licht|midweek performances]] never work. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:20, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
::::Only five more days. [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 12:28, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

:Must be something in the water, EEng - a [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&diff=842471015&oldid=842465658 TB] was recently proposed for me based on my civility (yes, civility) and willingness to adhere to ''DS Consensus needed restrictions'', and for asking others please play fair and allow another editor to present proposed text for a highly controversial article. And I've only made 10 total edits to the article in question and 20x as many to the article TP because of the DS. The end of 2017 appears to have kicked off a whole new era of crazy. 😝 <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 18:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
:::<small>Don't worry Atsme, EEng is quite used to the [[Crazy (Gnarls Barkley song)|crazies]], by now. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:09, 22 May 2018 (UTC) </small>

Nice , you deserve it due to "barbaric state" LOL . [[User:Alexson 97|Alexson 97]] ([[User talk:Alexson 97|talk]]) 23:54, 2 June 2018 (UTC) <small>This user has been blocked indefinitely. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:40, 3 June 2018 (UTC)</small>
:Let that be a lesson! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:48, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

==Friendly challenge==
HA! I just snagged the first April Fools DYK for 2019. It's not that good, but it will do for now. So, friend, how about we see how many you can get created to show up on 4/1/2019. Are you game. Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 12:21, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
:As long as Trump remains in office I'll run circles around all comers. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:03, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

== Google is watching you! ==

I was just taking a look at some comments about me at Wikipediocracy (bonus points for anyone who finds that one!), and I found that when I typed "wikipedioc" into Google, the third autofill that it returned was "wikipediocracy eeng" [https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=GOMFW-jHKf-w0PEP9o2vgAs&q=wikipediocracy+eeng&oq=wikipedioc&gs_l=psy-ab.1.2.0l2j0i30k1l3.2281.179558.0.182299.16.10.6.0.0.0.152.1310.0j10.10.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.16.1331...0i131k1j0i10k1.0.GmpMzaW7loU]. The first search result isn't even about you (someone abbreviated English Wikipedia), and the second is the old Gage thing. Apparently someone is searching a lot for that one! Quite the search engine optimization! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:01, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

:Well, I say give ‘em something to watch...try [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sS3d5Wco7I these] - hmmm, wonder if they’ll fit on my pretty red tricycle. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:13, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
::I wonder what that has to do with what I posted.... --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:37, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::Google eyes...being watched...why not shine a little light on it? A joke, perhaps? Just before I read your comment, that ad popped up on one of the social sites and it made me laugh. My hippocampus did it's job, and I immediately recalled the picture of the red tricycle EEng posted, and voila - here we are amidst all the rapid firing of atsme's confused thinking. I'll delete it if you don't want it following your detective work. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:54, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
::::No, no need to delete. I was just baffled. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:56, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
::::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StkJTSAq0dE Google eyes]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:02, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::[http://9-eyes.com/ Google's 9 eyes]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 18:03, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

== What is footnoting? ==

[[File:Chang skriver med foten - Chang writing with his foot (1952) (15979271986).jpg|thumb|Footnoting in the pre-Internet era. Losing a couple of hands in a game of poker was once a very serious issue.]]
You recently left a reply on my talk page about foornoting. What did all of that mean? [[User:HorsesAreNice|<span style="color:#8B4513">Horses'''ARE'''Nice''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:HorsesAreNice|<span style="color:#000000">'''Ride me''' to my ''talk page''</span>]]</sup> 14:40, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
:Hi there, {{U|HorsesAreNice}}, and sorry for the delay in responding. You might have heard that everything in an article needs to be drawn from a [[WP:Reliable source|reliable source]]. In addition, it's almost always a good idea to ''say'' in the article, for each fact or passage, what source it was drawn from. That's what the little superscript numbers, like this{{fake ref|5}}, mean. Those numbers tie in to notes at the bottom ("foot") of the article naming the sources, so they're called footnotes. The way to put footnotes in articles takes some practice to gets used to, so if you have something to add and know the source, you can just put the source in parentheses for now, like this:
::Jones discovered Smith Island in 1833. (John Bobson, A History of Explorers, page 5)
:Someone else will come along and put it in the usual form, and eventually you'll learn to do that for yourself. Good luck! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:20, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
:::{{tps}} You're not going to mention [[Barefootin' (song)|bare urls]] yet, are you??!! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:35, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
::::Martin, this is a young new editor, so let's not confuse things. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:39, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
:::::<small>Sorry, I was just hoping to [[Ride Along (film)|"ride you to your Talk page"]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:54, 30 May 2018 (UTC) </small>
Um, you explained footnotes, but I still don't know what a foornote is. Searching Google I found [https://web.sonoma.edu/users/w/wilsonst/papers/Geometry/footnotes/T1/T1-2n1.html this] but am still not enlightened. And the old deleted version of [[foor]] is no help either. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 05:37, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
[[File:COS_08.JPG|thumb|bare <s>url</s> foot noting.]] An addition to your [[The Organ (magazine)|mighty organ]]. [[User:Robevans123|Robevans123]] ([[User talk:Robevans123|talk]]) 10:57, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
:Oh no, not you again! You'll be trying to [[Foot-in-the-door technique|sell us an encyclopedia]] next!! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 11:09, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
::Maybe "foor" is short for "[[foobar]]". (I personally would never drink [[foo]] at a bar, though. [[Pho]] is of course another matter, although it doesn't rhyme with foo.) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:21, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
:::As per usual, this thread is now getting [[FUBAR]], I'm glad to say. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:33, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
::::A footnote is like the ovipositor on a [https://www.facebook.com/buzzfeedtruefacts/videos/2108776666035106/ Seahorse]. Use your imagination. <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 19:36, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

== Please comment on [[Talk:Forever alone#rfc_C58818A|Talk:Forever alone]] ==

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:That's a low blow, Legobot. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:34, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
::Nobody throws shade like Legobot. [[User:A Train|<b><span style="background:#324B91;color:white">A</span></b> <span style="color:#324B91">Train</span>]]<sup>''[[User talk:A Train|talk]]''</sup> 07:23, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

==Gadzooks==
Hi EEng. I know I've stopped by to say thanks for the smile a time or two before but your finding the clip for "Crush-Kill-Destroy" sets the bar just that much higher :-) Many cheers to ya! [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]&#124;[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 05:08, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

=== In reply to your recent rant visable from space at ANI ===
[[File:11 women and a little girl lined up for bathing beauty contest.png|thumb|Wikimania 2019 --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|center]])]]
Here's a thought. Let's start a separate set of dramaboards just for beauty contests and pro wrestling. Then all of us reality based editors just ignore them completely. Let them argue amongst themselves until they get so pissed off at each other that they quit. Then possibly we can impose the same version of PAGs the rest of the encyclopedia has on them and do away with 98% of the content. [[User:John from Idegon|John from Idegon]] ([[User talk:John from Idegon|talk]]) 05:22, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:''[For those playing along at home, this is about [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=844641013#Mass_deletion_of_references]]'' All excellent ideas. I'm utterly serious that there are some topics that inherently attract too high a proportion of incompetent people, and [[User:EEng#EEng's_half-serious_list_of_topics_on_which_WP_should_just_drop_all_coverage_as_not_worth_the_drama|coverage of them should be dropped]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:31, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:::: I was surprised no one said anything crazy about that rant. You're lucky the politepolice were asleep. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 14:01, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::They know I know where the bodies are buried. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::::::We weren't asleep we were either <s>paying our outrageous internet bills,</s> waiting for EEng's TP to load or at the [[donut|DONUT]] shoppe. [[10-10s|Stree fighting]], [[ain't nobody got time for that]]. Besides, I haven't gone [[10-41|Stand by for action]] [[10-8|beer]] in ages. <sup>cinco de </sup>[[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>◊distænt write◊</small>]] 00:46, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
::I had floated a rather [[User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_228#Alternate_proposal|more ambitious proposal along these lines]] a few days ago... [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 14:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Too ambitious, I'm sure you know. But see [[#X-day/week_"embargo"_on_articles_on_breaking-news_topics]], and maybe it's time to start moving forward on that seriously. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::::Start with political articles - they need their own pedia. We'll call it wikipedoff which is much better than wikipedon, and we'll refer to those editors as simply [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=POed POed]. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 18:38, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

=== Heading level ===
Why did you “merge” two unrelated sections? [[User:Interqwark|Inter<span style="color:#28A828;font-family:Calibri">''qwark''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Interqwark|<span style="color:#DA5493">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Interqwark|<span style="color:#9B00C3">contribs</span>]]</sup> 05:56, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:You mean [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=844643210]? They're intimately related -- see the link in my italicized note above. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::How? [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]] didn’t post there. [[User:Interqwark|Inter<span style="color:#28A828;font-family:Calibri">''qwark''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Interqwark|<span style="color:#DA5493">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Interqwark|<span style="color:#9B00C3">contribs</span>]]</sup> 06:07, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:::... but he's talking about my posts there. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:12, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::::Oh, you’re right. Sorry. [[User:Interqwark|Inter<span style="color:#28A828;font-family:Calibri">''qwark''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Interqwark|<span style="color:#DA5493">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Interqwark|<span style="color:#9B00C3">contribs</span>]]</sup> 06:14, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::''[[User:EEng#correct|Naturellement]]''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:22, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::::::Hmph. [[User:Interqwark|Inter<span style="color:#28A828;font-family:Calibri">''qwark''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Interqwark|<span style="color:#DA5493">talk</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Interqwark|<span style="color:#9B00C3">contribs</span>]]</sup> 06:24, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

=== Japanese Animation ===
While I generally with you on the wrestling and beauty pageants, they are undoubtedly a significant cultural event for the US going back at least 50 years. Japanese Animation however is entirely another kettle of fish, being a distinct art style in animation, as well as having many (within film and the TV industry) highly influential (to the rest of the world) works. And thats before you get to the 'cultural' aspect for Japan. (I am of course talking about stuff like [[Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (film)|Nausicaä]] or [[Macross]] and not say to take an example completely at random [[Kill la Kill]]) [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 11:22, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:Be that as it may, it's a simple matter of cost/benefit and signal/noise: given the amount of arguing it creates, Japanese animation imposes too much cost for the benefit and too much noise for the signal. And I'm allergic to mango. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:48, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:I'm not sure how to make it happen, but I bet that the anime articles would be much more stable and better written if they were all composed by a couple of editors who have no interest in the subject. Same for beauty pageants and most other drama farms. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 15:17, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
::Not necessarily, [[User:ChrisGualtieri]] did fine work in cleaning up a lot of articles. Sadly he has been effectively semi-retired since 2015. Any editor who has an interest in film could handle a standard Anime film article, where the problems lie is when you get into multi-media franchises like (to bring out the big gun) [[Dragon Ball]] which has: Manga, Anime Series, Anime live action Films, OVA's, computer games, merch... etc etc. When you add in all the popular culture (and tbf to DB, especially DBZ, it is *ingrained* in modern popular culture to the point where I see people quoting over 9000 memes with no recognition of where it is from) crap and its a minefield. You could get a completely non-interested editor to look at it, they would run screaming. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 15:25, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:::I stood up and cheered at somebody's rant on a noticeboard earlier, and thought it worthwhile to make my annual pilgrimage to the slowest page on the planet. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' the dog.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 15:41, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
:::: I'm surprised it hasn't been archived by now. (The ANI thread, not this monstrous page.) [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 15:49, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
*I can't be bothered to find the diff, but at one point I participated in an AfD or RfC about Dragon Ball and commented something to the affect of (including formatting) "A google search with iron-clad, ultra-specific search terms still turns up '''''OVER NINE THOUSAND''''' hits." I was still getting regularly thanked for that edit for over a week after the fact. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 18:00, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

== Hilarious ==

Oh for God(win)'s sake!!! It's hilarious!! <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 18:57, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

*The Curator invites all members of his glittering salon of talkpage stalkers to contribute to [[WP:Tarage's Law]] (aka WP:ALLROADSLEADTOINFOBOXES). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
:*"You won't catch me trapped inside no darned cockamamie [https://www.oldies.com/product-view/40718G.html box]!!" -- [[User:Martinevans123|Freudeggonfacebook 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:09, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
::*Why doesn't it have an infobox? It should! (And by the way, I'm not the one in the center in the photo above. I'm a little off-center. In fact, I'm always a little off-center). --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
::::<small>Quite the [https://www.nature.scot/plants-animals-and-fungi/fish/sea-fish/flapper-skate flapper] , ain'tcha, [[Flapper Fanny Says|Fishy]]! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC) </small>
:::::<small>Like the way I flap my fins, do you? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::<small>I thought maybe you were the front row, far right...but I knew you couldn't be far right. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:23, 7 June 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::::::<small>I'm not far right, but I'm always right. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:27, 7 June 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::::<small>We all suspected [[Black ghost knifefish|you were]] a real [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5UnEB23YCI Black Bottom] at heart. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:34, 7 June 2018 (UTC) </small>
:::::::::<small>My heart is in my bottom? Or is it my head? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:52, 7 June 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::::::::<small>I assure you that I'm not [[Upside-down catfish|that kind of cat]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::::::<small>Just to clear up a bit of confusion. Even [https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQhIj_PL4B_yt4dIgCTG_azbuNkCPokdmn6jSP1fxiY9CzfXVvOmSi-4GkSbRMsPzZ86ezzVW0&usqp=CAc chitroom signs] reflect the truth. [[File:SMirC-chuckle.svg|x20px|^_^]] <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:04, 7 June 2018 (UTC)</small>

=== Do you live inside Wikipedia? ===

What on earth do you do for a living that gives you time for things like [[Wikipedia:Tarage's Law|this]]? [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 02:12, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:... or for that matter, I suppose, things like this [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/wiki.riteme.site/Phineas_Gage#top-editors][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=844785098&oldid=843967166]. Let's just say my work brings into play an eclectic range of obscure knowledge. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
[[File:Los_portadores_de_la_antorcha.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|Yes, for the love of God, pass the baton.{{right|-[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]]
:: An [[Ocular prosthesis|eyeful]] for us all. Pass the [[Relay race|baton]]. It is impressive, indeed.--[[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 02:37, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
[[File:HotelWiki1.JPG|thumb|left|Upright|[[Hotel California|You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!]] –Tryptofish]]
*See above, "[[#Phineas Gage|I hope one day you will have more edits to article than number of characters in article. That will be a distinct and unique record]]". [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
::: [[All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy|It's]] [[Paperback Writer|Dear Sir or Madam]] for us all.--[[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 03:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:::: On [https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-male-runner-from-christian-brothers-in-the-starting-blocks-competing-48678675.html your marks], {{U|Natureium}}, {{U|EEng}}, get set and go. Let's just continue to "do it" for us all.--[[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 03:32, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
:: I could help you accomplish that right now by cutting down the article. Brevity is a virtue. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 12:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

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== Hi (2) ==

Just want say I like the way you radically declutter the AN/ANI headers. They look much better, really. –[[User:Ammarpad|Ammarpad]] ([[User talk:Ammarpad|talk]]) 02:27, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
[[File:In a web of pearls (14981208910).jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|Welcome to ANI]]
:Thanks, {{U|Ammarpad}}, and thank you for pitching in as well. It's a shame, though, that perhaps my most important modification [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=844899201] (and see right) did not meet with community approval. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:17, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

<s>In reference to long things not being read, [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Alssa1's_harrassment_of_Garageland66_and_lack_of_competent_editing this one] only took 9 hours and being pushed halfway up the page for the first person to respond to it. Although the response was just telling them to shorten it... [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 23:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)</s> I no longer believe this to be true. See [[Wikipedia_talk:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentsHeader#Regarding_long_threads_not_being_read|math]]. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 00:41, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

== I couldn't resist.... ==

Nothing more to say...[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Anthony_Bourdain&diff=845690387&oldid=845611241 it says it all.]] <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 13:49, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
:You have learned well, grasshopper. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:27, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
::Thank you, Master Po. [pause for bowing] Perhaps you will like [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=next&oldid=845855466 this one] as well. It inspired me to respond with an award on the [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Oshwah&diff=prev&oldid=845858617 target's TP]. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:53, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

== If yA come at the king u better not miss ==

Looks like a [[User talk:EEnggg|hater]] tried a #savagaclapback- But THey failed, 😎 fam 😎, come at the king and u better not miss when u do that 😎😎💯💯[[User:Money emoji |<span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><b style="color:#060">💵Money💵emoji💵</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Money emoji|💸]]</sup> 00:40, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:Whoever you are, I have always depended on the kindness of strangers. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:53, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:Wut. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 01:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:: {{reply to|TonyBallioni}} 🔥🔥Fam🔥🔥, u no who I am; an enigma! Yain’t not 🙅‍♂️nobody🙅‍♂️ be able to figure out who 🤷‍♂️I🤷‍♂️ am, but I can tell you I’m the youngest 💵💵💵💵flexer💵💵💵💵💵💵, that’s for sure. I rep the 🔫🔫$treet life🔫🔫 and there tain’t enough rappers in the game right now who rep from the streetz, which is why u should visit my soundcloud, where I’m brining real hip hopity back, fam! Buy my merch, and stop ✋ listening to fake rappers and stop believing the governments lies, fam! They actually lizards! Keep it 💯💯💯💯💯, fam!!!!!1!!!!!![[User:Money emoji |<span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><b style="color:#060">💵Money💵emoji💵</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Money emoji|💸]]</sup> 02:54, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:::This is the English Wikipedia. You can find Wikimedia projects in other languages, perhaps including your own, [https://www.wikipedia.org/ in this list]. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 03:22, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:::: {{reply to|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris}} Nah I speakin English, my 🗣vocabulary🗣 has just 🧠🙏🙏ASCENDED🙏🙏🧠🧠, that’s alll.[[User:Money emoji |<span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><b style="color:#060">💵Money💵emoji💵</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Money emoji|💸]]</sup> 03:34, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::If this were any other page I’d block you as compromised. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 03:39, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:::You on the [[Stridsvagn 103|streetz]], youngest flexer of the century, spending more money on your tub then we use to pay our rents? Lil Tay it's past your bedtime. <sup>cinco de </sup>[[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>◊distænt write◊</small>]] 12:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
Good, i was starting to think I was doing too well at being incomprehensible....[[User:Money emoji |<span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><b style="color:#060">💵Money💵emoji💵</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Money emoji|💸]]</sup> 03:45, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:[[Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.]] [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 12:44, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
*YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:18, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
::Yeah, you wanted the kindness of strangers, but you got the strangeness of [[Kindergarten|kinders]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:15, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:::Hey, that's pretty good! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:17, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
::::I suspect the OP is just trying to make Wikipedia great again. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:30, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::"̴̱̳̮̱̳͛͌̋̎̕͡Á̵͚̤̘͈̭̰̹̻͂̍͐͛̌̕̚͠ͅg̸̢̡̡̗̺͂̌̀̚̕ȁ̝̜̦̳̳̘̂̂̚̕͡͠ͅi̷̜͇̼̮̗̲͒̋̀̐̈́n̶̡̨̲͇̫͇̽̊̔̊͛͊̚͠?̵̢͖̼̜͗̿̐̉̈̑͒̏͠͞ͅ"̛͖̻̺̞̦͈̠͈̙̏́̄̈̂̑͋̃̋[[User:Money emoji |<span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><b style="color:#060">💵Money💵emoji💵</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Money emoji|💸]]</sup> 18:39, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
::::::You need a nap. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:43, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

== Copyediting help ==

Hi {{u|EEng}}, if you have a moment, copyediting help at [[Shooting of Antwon Rose Jr.]] appreciated! Thanks. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 14:46, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:Happy to help. Later today if I can. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks for your help! -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 23:46, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm not done. Stand by. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:56, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

==Testimonial==
[[User:EEng#EEng's_half-serious_list_of_topics_on_which_WP_should_just_drop_all_coverage_as_not_worth_the_drama | I heartily endorse this product and/or service]]. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 04:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

== Proper names ==

I keep meaning to tackle that page, but I can seem to muster the "heart" for it. It needs a clarification that it doesn't mean [[Proper name (philosophy)]], even if that's just in a footnote, then the salvageable content needs to be merged, per the consensus discussion months ago (maybe that was even last year). And I think there was one bit in it that doesn't actually represent actual practice and directly conflicts with the rest of MoS (I forget the detail, right off hand, other than Randy Kryn was arguing to keep that part). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 04:12, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
:That was the part about using the most familiar name to English readers when choosing a name in a translation dispute. Although [[WP:ENGLISH]], which states that "The title of an article should generally use the version of the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works, scholarly journals, and major news sources)" addresses all titled articles, not just translatable name, in a similar but more inclusive way. My point was that overwhelming use of a name in sources being needed for a change, although that's often argued, should actually be a simple "most common name in English" bar of 51%. Like peanut butter and chocolate mixing well in nature but one is favored because there's more of it. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 04:33, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

== Observation ==

You may have picked up on this already, but there a large amount of factional overlap between [[WT:WPBIO]], [[WT:BLP]], [[WT:CITE]], and [[WT:FAC]]. The only MoS pages with which that editorial cluster regularly intersect are [[MOS:LEAD]] and [[MOS:BIO]]. This has a great deal to do with the flareup at [[WT:MOSLEAD]], and why it seems so weird. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 22:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
:Huh. I thought the operative shortcut in play was [[WP:DICK]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:28, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
*PS: I hope you'll archive old threads soon; on my system this talk page takes over 20 seconds to load, and sometimes fails to do so completely. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 22:50, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
::I've done a bit and will do some more tomorrow. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:28, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

== A kitten for you! ==

[[File:Red Kitten 01.jpg|left|150px]]
More Tom Lehrer is always appreciated. Sure wish there was a Tom Lehrer userbox...

&mdash;<span style="font-family: monospace;">[[User:Javert2113|Javert2113]] ([[User talk:Javert2113|Siarad.]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Javert2113|&#164;]])</span> 01:28, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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== Thanks for the Humor ==

Cheers [[User:Risk Engineer|Risk Engineer]] ([[User talk:Risk Engineer|talk]]) 12:05, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
:[[wikiquote:Bob_Monkhouse#Sourced|When I said I was going to become a comedian, they all laughed. Well, they're not laughing now, are they?]] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:34, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

== Talk Page issue ==

[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please refrain from using talk pages such as [[Talk:Air rage]] for general discussion of the topic or other unrelated topics. They are for discussion related to improving the article in specific ways, based on [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] and the project [[WP:PAG|policies and guidelines]]; they are [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#FORUM|not for use as a forum or chat room]]. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting [[Wikipedia:Reference desk|our reference desk]] and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. See [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|here]] for more information. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-chat2 --> [[User:Funplussmart|Funplussmart]] ([[User talk:Funplussmart|talk]]) 22:59, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:{{U| Funplussmart }}, from your user page I see that you sometimes have difficulty understanding others' intentions, so let me explain that my posts to that thread (after the initial one, which was serious) were meant to add a little humor. Maybe not ''much'' humor, but I do what I can with the material available.
:Don't misinterpret what I'm saying as meaning that I'm annoyed or upset. I'm not. Good luck in your editing! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:30, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:: Oh I didn't think you were annoyed at all. I was just pointing out that the talk page is meant for discussion on how to improve the article. Your comments on the talk page did not appear to be contributing to the article. That's all. I'm not offended at all. [[User:Funplussmart|Funplussmart]] ([[User talk:Funplussmart|talk]]) 23:39, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Funplussmart, you are completely correct is saying that article talk pages are only for improving the article. That being said, we have an unwritten tradition of allowing a small amount of humor that does nothing to improve the article. The humor gives us warm feelings towards each other, and makes conflict between editors less likely. It certainly can go too far and in those cases a warning is appropriate. In my opinion, [[Talk:Air rage#Merger proposal]] does not go too far, and you should be a bit more tolerant of humor on talk pages. Again, you aren't wrong about our policies on this.

:::An engineer, a physicist and a mathematician find themselves in an anecdote, indeed an anecdote quite similar to many that you have no doubt already heard. After some observations and rough calculations the engineer realizes the situation and starts laughing. A few minutes later the physicist understands too and chuckles to himself happily as he now has enough experimental evidence to publish a paper.

:::This leaves the mathematician somewhat perplexed, as he had observed right away that he was the subject of an anecdote, and deduced quite rapidly the presence of humor from similar anecdotes, but considers this anecdote to be too trivial a corollary to be significant, let alone funny. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 00:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
::::Hilarious. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW68goC4_es] <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 02:59, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

== MoS-amples ==

I concur with you and {{U|-sche}} that we have a lot of weird, unencyclopedic examples that need replacing. I've had this on my mind for years, too, and occasionally replace one. Doing more of that is surely in order. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 03:15, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

:One example of "things it illustrates for which it's hard to conceive of use cases on the project", from the same page ([[MOS:SEASON]]): "Seasons are uncapitalized (a hot summer) except when personified: Old Man Winter's bleak greys relent as Spring begins to show her colors." The example sentence is too flowery, but when would we personify seasons, anyway? The only articles I spot that speak of seasons ''doing'' things, like "Spring begins to show her colors", ''de facto'' don't use caps: "[[Bytown and Prescott Railway|Shanly had to wait until winter froze the ground to survey a route]]", "[[Chesapeake and Ohio Canal|when winter froze the canal]]". In the few articles which refer to "Old Man Winter", like [[Jack Frost]] ("He is a variant of Old Man Winter who..."), it seems like a proper name that would be adequately handled by the general guidelines regarding proper names. Am I missing something obvious, or should that whole sentence just be removed? [[User:-sche|-sche]] ([[User talk:-sche|talk]]) 03:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
::Yes, I think Old Man Winter and so on was one example I vaguely had in mind. Another is certain examples of how to use exclamation points correctly; hard to see where that will ever arise. Also maybe some of the examples in LQ. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:25, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

== A nomination for your user page ==

I give you the article [[Flying Head]]. I am afraid I can not narrow the brilliance of this article down to a pithy sentence or two; frankly nearly any two sentences will qualify. I would, however, like to draw your attention to this relatively recent edit comment, which I noticed when looking at the edit history to see whether this article had been vandalized: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Flying_Head&diff=820111321&oldid=795071123 ''(no obvious cleanup needed)'']. --[[User:GRuban|GRuban]] ([[User talk:GRuban|talk]]) 14:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
:[[:Category:Flying heads]]? [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 17:34, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
::I wonder whether the story can be reinterpreted somehow as Wikipedia allegory. "the Flying Head stole live coals from her and tried to eat them, thinking they were acorns. The results of course disastrous, the Flying Head flees in agony, never to be seen again." [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=849122568] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:49, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
:::The image reminds me strangely of some of [[William Blake]]'s images. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:51, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
::::"Three different hotels were built on the sacred site and all three had a short life span and burned to the ground mysteriously." -- "Needs additional citations", indeed. <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Eman235#top|<span style="color:green;">E'''man'''</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<span style="color:#6643d1;">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<span style="color:brown;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 01:52, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

==Connoisseurs of high-handed admin dickishness, attention!==

Follow this link [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=849445019#High-handed_admins_on_parade] and once there follow my link after the word ''rebuke''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:23, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
:Nah, as much as we enjoy some good drama shit-show on a Sunday evening, [[User talk:Renamed user g5r8c5h8j5g2f55v5h2h5g5d2s2c5b5#Cooler heads have prevailed|cooler heads have prevailed]]. Now we can flog each other with arguments ''ad nauseam'' on whether trying to produce a realistic and informative illustration should be considered copyright high crime. Damn. Our Latin ancestors had it easier, joyously pillaging ''bons mots'' from each other. ''[[De Natura Deorum]]'' as a metaphor of the admin caste?{{fbdb}} — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 04:32, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
::[[meta:User talk:Whaledad|I'll raise you one]]. nl.wp made the person who blocked me as a spambot with no talk page access and no email access for doing a global rename on nl.wikiquote a CheckUser. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 04:35, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
:::If I can parse your grammar correctly, CIR breeds CU in NL? {{awesome}} — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 04:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
::::Basically. Yes, the grammar is almost as confusing as the situation. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 04:48, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Hotheads International, unite! Although, last I checked, the Low Countries were not nearly [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2018 Eastern Canada heat wave|as hot as Eastern Canada]]. <small><s>Gosh</s> <s>Golly</s> <u>[[Lordy, I hope there are tapes!|Lordy]]</u>, I shall surely be hanged for canvassing now.</small> — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 04:56, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::I'm glad to see that the afflicted user has been unblocked at Commons. And everyone knows that Tony ''is'' a spambot.{{fbdb}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
{{od}} For drama lovers: [[c:COM:AN#Proposal for desysop]]. Apparently, over at Commons, when an admin acts fishy,{{efn|Not you, Trypto}} they first conduct an advisory !vote to decide whether they will conduct a desysop !vote. From what planet are these people? [[Kepler-61b|Kafka-61b]]? — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 18:07, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
{{notelist}}
:We all know that acting a little bit fishy is a virtue. That desysop vote really ''is'' quite an education in wiki-cultures. It's like "en-Wiki versus Commons: This time, it's personal!" The EU really does dislike the English-speaking world. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:26, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
::Try telling [[Michel Barnier|Theresa "Sun of" May]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:33, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::Sun of May? Now is the winter of our discontent made glorious summer by this Sun of York. (I did that from memory, so you better be impressed!) Then again, that's Lords, and we're having trouble with Commons. And since when is Wales part of the English-speaking world? English requires vowels. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:44, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::<small>{{tq|And since when is Wales part of the English-speaking world? English requires vowels.}} I'm 'Murikan and I laughed out loud at that. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 13:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::::Indeed, [[Shangri-La|West of the River Wye]], we can all take no small degree of comfort from that. "Mae'r euog yn ffoi heb neb yn ei erlid" (as they say in Ystradgynlais). [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:24, 10 July 2018 (UTC) <small> what's that you say, boyo? "English requires bowels"?? </small>
:::::::::Thanks, both of you! By the way, Google Translate says that the English translation of Ystradgynlais is: Ystradgynlais. And "Mae'r... " is: "The guilty I flee without a lamb is persecuted." Glad I could clear that up. Isn't teh internets great? Oh, and for those of you seeking an update about the discussion at Commons, it appears that all of us at en-Wiki are racists because we just don't understand Commons. Someone actually said that, and got a whole bunch of "per him" comments after that. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:06, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Sincere apologies for making a Saesneg fist of that spelling. It's all quite simple ..... as you suggested [[wikt:yr euog a ffy heb neb yn ei erlid|Lords and ladies]], etc. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:23, 10 July 2018 (UTC) <small>p.s. In [[Ystradgynlais]] they don't actually say this, they just say "a right ruddy Royal pissing pantomime" </small>
:::::::::::Ah, so "The guilty I flee without a lamb is persecuted" is actually "The lady doth protest too much." Sounds like you had your whatsit fist in your mouth. {{(:}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:33, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::<small>In my experience, you're far more likely to get a Saesneg fist in your mouth "down [[Pillgwenlly|Pill]] on a [[Suicide Alley|Friday night]], [[Walk Me to the Bridge|after closing time]]".... [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:45, 10 July 2018 (UTC) </small>

:::I'm just making Wikipedia great again. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:37, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
::::Now, now, there's no need for "[[David Davis (British politician)|Tantrums]] & [[Boris Johnson|Tiaras]]". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:59, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
:A delicious bit of irony: an editor who is a pro-Trump POV-pusher here at en-Wiki has !voted with the EU. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:31, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
::Around my mountains, we call them the United Soviet States of Europe. Keeping the beast [[Switzerland–European Union relations#Chronology of the Swiss votes|at arm's length]]. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 19:05, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

As we're talking about our favourite orange-headed goon again, I'd like the peanut gallery to take [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Shark_episode&diff=849556323&oldid=828446218 this edit] into consideration and read it in the style of Trump talking off the record to Billy Bush. It seems ... uncanny. Of course, if there ''is'' a video of this "episode", I wouldn't be surprised if somebody had uploaded it to Commons (as "own work", naturally), then a bunch of admins !voted to keep it at a deletion request. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 13:09, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:<small>To be fair, a [[:File:Cat and food.jpg|ginger pussy]] is, by definition, valuable. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 13:22, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::*(see my earlier Ystradgynlais comment). [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:25, 10 July 2018 (UTC) </small>

=== Canvassing ===
[[File:Sjömanssäck - 1991.jpg|thumb|Tryptofish has given you a canvas bag! Spread the Wiki-Love by giving canvas bags to editors who don't put up with administrative BS at Commons!]]
I'm astounded to read that you've been [[Commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#EEng and canvassing|accused of canvassing]] over on Commons, which has no rules about canvassing, for posting a simple notice here on WP:AN, as though the English Wikipedia admins and those that follow that page are somehow partisan! Just another example of the kind of thick headed approach that makes me want to spend time doing other things. I suppose if I'd just shut up and fucked off none of this would have happened, but I hope people can see that sometimes standing up for what you believe in, however uncomfortable it makes you feel, really is the right thing to do.

Be brutally honest, EEng, do you agree or disagree? <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 18:09, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

:I'll be brutally honest, and agree. (But please stay around. Don't let the jerks drive you away.) I'll add kudos to EEng for the dare that he posted over there. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:35, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::If the question is whether "sometimes standing up for what you believe in, however uncomfortable it makes you feel, really is the right thing to do", yes I agree of course. Tfish, thanks for the praise though when I was a young engineer I had a colleague who had been a [[Freedom Rider#Mob_violence_in_Montgomery|Freedom Rider]] so I've always felt that any standing up or daring I do is peanuts by comparison. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:49, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

::Not only is this not canvassing, it's also doing the right thing. I would say to ignore the haters, but I know I don't need to tell you that.[[User:Money emoji |<span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml"><b style="color:#060">💵Money💵emoji💵</b></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Money emoji|💸]]</sup> 19:42, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

:::Well, that's reassuring. My round, is it? Help yourselves everyone. Cheers. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 20:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:::[[File:Weizenbier.jpg|100px|link=|alt=]][[File:Weizenbier.jpg|100px|link=|alt=]][[File:Weizenbier.jpg|100px|link=|alt=]][[File:Weizenbier.jpg|100px|link=|alt=]][[File:Weizenbier.jpg|100px|link=|alt=]][[File:Weizenbier.jpg|100px|link=|alt=]][[File:Weizenbier.jpg|100px|link=|alt=]][[File:Weizenbier.jpg|100px|link=|alt=]]
:::::<small>Hey, these look a bit [[Is the glass half empty or half full?|pre-quaffed]]! Are you sure they're not trying to [[The Vanishing (1993 film)|vanish themselves]]?? "tee-hee". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:02, 10 July 2018 (UTC) </small>
::::::<small>I ''had'' to take a small sip out of each one to facilitate carrying them all without spilling. In the interests of fairness I sipped precisely the same amount from each glass, as you can see. Yes, I know that trays are available at the bar, but [[Northern England|Up North]] we prefer to exhibit our masculinity by carrying as many pints by hand as humanly possible. Don't worry, my [[Herpes labialis|cold sores]] cleared up ages ago. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 22:23, 10 July 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::::"[[ Melanie Sykes|Eh oop, luv]]. Do you want a [[Boddingtons Brewery|flake with that]]"?? [https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/showbiz-news/melanie-sykes-boddingtons-girl-advert-13780316] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:42, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::''Racist!''{{smiley|26}}{{fbdb}} <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 00:11, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Here's my take on Commons. This evening, I thought I'd look for a picture of someone crying (preferably in a humorous way) so I could lighten the mood in an edit war with the picture + caption of "it's NOT FAIR I got reverted!". So I did a Google search for <code>site:commons.wikimedia.org crying</code> and got [[:File:Young female protester cries in despair as the violence spreads during clashes in Kyiv, Ukraine. Events of February 18, 2014.jpg]], which is too serious to use in a light-hearted satirical situation. So I back up one level to "Category:Crying women". I then think, "hmm, a grown man crying, preferably in some non-serious content like a momentary and minor knock in a sporting event will do the trick, I'll go up a level to Category:Crying people and look from there". You can't get to "Category:Crying people" from "Category:Crying women". But you ''can'' go to "Category:Nude or partially nude women crying‎" and "Category:Woman crying as she hails Hitler‎". At this point, I gave up. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:39, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
* Ah, so youve noticed two issues - (a) Commons is full of completely inappropriate images for any given search, and (b) (which leads on from (a)) ... Commons is mostly run by fuckwits. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:* .... and which very probably leads on to (c) "Nude or partially nude fuckwits laughing‎", etc., etc. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:::I find the categories essentially useless. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:20, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
::::They're a mess, that's for sure. I've also been finding Google image search essentially useless these days — it fails to find too much of the stuff I'm looking for. Their web search has also deteriorated, but fortunately so far Google Scholar is still ok. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 00:57, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Remember, Commons categories are the most useful way to find something over there... I say that agreeing with the above criticism. Also, remember that {{noping|Neelix}} is responsible for basically all of their nude or partially nude categories [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Nude_or_partially_nude_women_crying&action=history]. Appears to be retired from there, though. Unfortunately not being he added ton of pages on people, historical and living, to [[:commons:Category:Births out of wedlock]]. The more you know! [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 01:07, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Brilliant Idea Barnstar Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Brilliant Idea Barnstar'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I could probably call Mr. Lehrer to be certain, but I believe he would be insulted to be said to have done something in the vein of "crooned"; as I recall, he called "Alma" a ballad, and (as you well know) they need not be crooned. But thank you for your masterful support in favor of the lyrical resolution of that DYK about, well, the loveliest girl in Vienna. <span style="font-family: serif; letter-spacing: 0.1em">&mdash;[[User:Javert2113|Javert2113]] ([[User talk:Javert2113|Siarad.]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Javert2113|&#164;]])</span> 02:00, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
|}
Yeah, when I put in ''crooned'' I made a mental note to check the denotation, but then I forgot. It's truly the wrong word. I'm glad my efforts to get TH on the front page were appreciated. However, now that the DYK's been rotated off I think I want to modify the article's treatment of the song. Take a look. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:20, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:Hmm, it looks good to me either way, to be honest, but the changes you made win by a hair; though I tend to be somewhat loquacious when not in article-space, when writing for articles, I favor pithier statements, when possible. <span style="font-family: serif; letter-spacing: 0.1em">&mdash;[[User:Javert2113|Javert2113]] ([[User talk:Javert2113|Siarad.]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Javert2113|&#164;]])</span> 02:29, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::I hadn't yet made the change to which I was referring. Look now [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=849598801&oldid=849570485]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:44, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh! That might be a bit much, but I'll allow it under the Tom Lehrer exception. <span style="font-family: serif; letter-spacing: 0.1em">&mdash;[[User:Javert2113|Javert2113]] ([[User talk:Javert2113|Siarad.]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Javert2113|&#164;]])</span> 02:57, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
::::I was hoping. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:18, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

== Please comment on [[Talk:Alt-right#rfc_D122755|Talk:Alt-right]] ==

The [[WP:Feedback request service|feedback request service]] is asking for participation in [[Talk:Alt-right#rfc_D122755|this request for comment on '''Talk:Alt-right''']]. <!-- Template:FRS message --> <!-- FRS id 90981 --> [[User:Legobot|Legobot]] ([[User talk:Legobot|talk]]) 04:28, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
:Is the question about a balloon? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

== ANI (2) ==

EEng, I reverted the latest [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=850501615&oldid=850501610 comment] you (re)-added to ANI as needlessly provocative. While humor when it lightens the mood is helpful, in this case it is just adding oil to fire and I don't see any good coming out of continuing this line. Hope you understand. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare|talk]]) 08:41, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
:While I appreciate your courteous message and understand your point of view, I stand by my post and will reinstate it in a moment. Quite frankly if anyone ''but'' Rusf10 had removed it in the first place [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=850499375], I'd probably let the matter drop, but since he -- of all people -- thinks he's in a position to pass judgment, I'm afraid I'm going to have to insist that it remain. I agree it's provocative, and it's meant to be, in the sense of thought-provocative: maybe it will penetrate some thick skulls. Again, thanks for taking the time and I hope you'll drop by [[User:EEng#s|The Museums]] while you're here. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 09:04, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

== Trump images ==
[[File:Profane Trump Sign with Protestor.jpeg|thumb|300px|A picture is worth a thousand words]]
As this place gets a faster (and, generally, wittier) response than the village pump .... last Friday I took a number of photos of protestors on the Women's March against Trump. In particular, I have a photo from one young cheerful woman holding up a sign saying, "Fuck off Trump, you absolute prick". I asked the protestor if I could take a photo, she agreed, so I emphasised I would be uploading it to publicise the march (but didn't specify exactly where). I seem to recall people getting hassle for uploading images with blatant profanity on them - something to do with them being put in articles by vandals? Can anyone refresh my memory? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 23:23, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
* Not an issue - if an image is being used for vandalism we just stick it on the [[MediaWiki:Bad image list|bad image list]] with a list of articles it can be used in, that's not a problem. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 23:41, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
::Okay, done. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 23:46, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Hah! Brilliant. Unfortunately I can't find anywhere to post it in article space. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 00:13, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
::::[[Protests against Donald Trump#Trump in United Kingdom]]? I guess nominating it for featured picture on the main page is [[WP:POINT]]y..... [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 00:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Added it to [[Protests against Donald Trump#Trump in United Kingdom]]. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em">[[User:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#000">nagual</b>]][[User talk:nagualdesign|<b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b>]]</b> 00:40, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
*How dare you put such filth on this page, watched as it is by persons of delicate sensibilities and great refinement? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:56, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
::I was not aware that {{u|The Lady Catherine de Burgh}} had this page watchlisted. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:14, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
::::That's precisely who I had in mind. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:52, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::If I recall correctly, her ladyship had a falling out with Trump over something - wasn't her third or fourth (I forget) husband golfing partners with him at some point? So while the strict education set by the Earl of Scrotum's private tuition sessions would prevent her from using such uncouth terms, I think the general sentiment is probably in alignment with her views. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 16:55, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:::<s>If only I could get my hands on a [[Elon Musk|5 foot 6 inch submarine]], I'd tell you to [[The Blockheads|"stick it where it hurts!"]]....</s> [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:33, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
::::What I of course '''meant to say''' was: "If only I could get my hands on a [[Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections|5 foot 6 inch hidden surveillance mechanism]], I'd have no good reason to [[Hillary Clinton email controversy|"make emails disappear!"]]. I have every faith in my submarine builders". [[Vladimir Putin|Donald Wolf 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:34, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::So, Trump has admitted he won a rigged election, and by extension shouldn't actually be President at all. I'm lost for words. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 21:39, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::If only. You'll just have to wait for '''tomorrow's''' Presidential [[Tweet of the Day|official explanation]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:49, 17 July 2018 (UTC) <small>... [[Bill Oddie|hark!!]] I do believe it's the call of the [[Lyrebird|lesser-spotted orange-plumed booby!]] </small>

== chronic, intractable, deplorable, intolerable behavioral problems ==

I saw {{tq|This page is for discussion of urgent incidents and chronic, intractable behavioral problems}} in the ANI header and couldn't remember seeing it previously - so I had a dig through the [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentsHeader&action=history history] of the header.

[[File:In a web of pearls (14981208910).jpg|thumb|upright=0.75|Welcome to the Incidents noticeboard]]
Just wanted to say thanks for the thankless task of updating that, and making it clear what sort of things ANI is geared towards - good work - [[User:There'sNoTime|TNT]] <sup>[[User talk:There'sNoTime|💖]]</sup> 18:38, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
:{{U|There'sNoTime}}, but I hope you saw that {{U|Natureium}} and {{U|Ammarpad}} helped as well. Sadly, what I think was my most important single reform in terms of explaining ANI to newbies [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=844899201] (see right) was reverted.
:Listen, while you're here can you consider acting on this request [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=845447283&oldid=845445301]? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
::I'm not nearly as fancy as TNT, but they can't be unprotected from my understanding (all edit notices are protected). If you're regularly editing them, you could ask for template editor (but {{u|Primefac}} would be the best person to ask about that.) [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 19:29, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
::Unfortunately the protection non-userspace editnotices have [[Wikipedia:Editnotice#Other_namespaces|cannot be changed]] easily, and thus they can be {{tq|created and edited only by admins and template editors}}. TonyBallioni's suggestion is probably your best bet, short of making an edit request - [[User:There'sNoTime|TNT]] <sup>[[User talk:There'sNoTime|💖]]</sup> 19:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
:::OK, thanks. Well, if I ever get back to this someday I'll just edit it/them in my sandbox then ask some credulous admin to copy over to the live version. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:56, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
::::{{tps}} If you need any help editing protected templates and page notices, just ask me. — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 22:45, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Ditto. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 01:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, guys (and gals?). I haven't forgotten. Right now my to-do list is:
::::::*[[Talk:Useful_idiot#Sources]]
::::::*[[Talk:Escape_of_Charles_II#Flight_from_Worcester_to_White_Ladies]]
::::::*Noticeboard headers
::::::*Bring peace to the troubled Basque region
::::::(not necessarily in that order). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

== Women Disobey ==

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Here's an new image of me and my flashmob ;) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 13:07, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
:[https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=851161160] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:42, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
:: Here we go again, [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt&oldid=853067996 blatant canvassing], - do you prefer fatsuit or swimsuit? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:07, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

==Ill-advised filing==
::''Section heading added by the page proprietor''
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== A really stupid question ==

Regarding: "[I] simply went to the last good version before you made a mess and clicked Revert to this version;"

Where is that button? I can't seem to find it. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 02:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC) (feeling dumb)
: It's the button above diffs that says [restore this version]. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 02:21, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
: PS. This page took my computer almost 30 seconds to save. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 02:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

::There are two facilities like this, in fact.
::*As Natureium said, in each diff, at the top of the left column, and also at the top of the right column, above where is says ''Revision as of xx:xx, July xx, 2018'', there's a link ''[Restore this version]''.
::*Also, in any page history, if you hover over the a given revision's timestamp, a popup menu... um... well, pops up, and under ''actions'' there's ''revert''.
::One or the other or both of these might be enabled by various of the zillions of preference checkboxes, perhaps on the ''Gadgets'' tab, but for the life of me I don't know which. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:44, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I've been nosing around Preferences as well, and I can't find where it's activated. It may be a difference in the skin (I use Monobook), because I don't even have a "Revision as of..." header, and a search for "Restore" on an article's Revision History page comes up empty. (Also, I don't have the pop-up thingee enabled.) I'll look more closely at preferences. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 02:49, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::::Some threads on WP:VPT seemed to imply that Twinkle had to be turned on, which I didn't, but I enabled Twinkle and see no difference. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 03:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
[[File:Pushmower1.JPG#mw-jump-to-license|thumb|upright=.8|Non-working mow: you do all the work. {{right|-[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]]
:::::OK I turned on Twinjle, and turned off the revision slider and it seems to be working mow. Thanks. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 08:11, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::I couldn’t cope without Twinkle. Been using it as long as I’ve been here. [[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' the dog.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 09:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Next you'll tell us [[internet addiction| you can stop any time]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:04, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
[[File:Subtractacat.jpg|thumb|upright|left|Hotcat --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]])]]
::::: There are people that don't have twinkle turned on?? [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 13:50, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::Me. I don't have Huggle, Buggle, Twinkie, or Sneezy either. I even turned off the newest Watchlist filters. I'd add a scythe to EEng's image here, but, meh. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Me neither. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 18:15, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Nor me. The only tool I use is Hotcat, and don't even know what twinkle or Trixie or whatever those things are actually do. Those new watchlist tools seemed a mess, and I jetisioned them as soon as possible. And a Monobook user as well, it's good to see Monobook has fans. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 21:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::[[Trixie Mattel|Trixie]] and [[To the Moon and Back (book)|Moonbook]], yes?? Gotta luv 'em. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:18, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Monobook? Now ''them's'' fighting words. I use Vector, so I win. Heck, I even got a smart phone a few months ago. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:27, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, Vector's not bad, kind of an out-on-the-town Monobook. At least it has the globe and the old stand by's on the left of the page (which is where I like my searchbox, per Monobook). Smart phone? What's that? Mine's kept stupid, and all I use it for is text, photos, and to actually talk to people. My last phone got pickpocketed on Montmartre in June 2017, and I was told they'd be looking for credit card and banking numbers, which have no business being near a phone anyway. Tips: Paris police don't answer their phone, but the chocolate is very good. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 21:48, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::I resolutely avoid using my smart phone to talk to people, unless I absolutely have to. Can't stand people who walk down the street buried in their phones (or drive that way!). I got it mainly to check my email (and yes, my notifications here) without going to my computer. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:54, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::::You have a computer? Stone-age tech. Wikipedia views are near 50-50 now, phone-tablets will be edging ahead shortly. I'm waiting for Holograph Wikipedia, that's when I'll really start to contribute. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 22:03, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Yeah, but I phone it in (as anyone can see from my editing). --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

== Talk page cleanup reversion ==

Hello {{u|EEng}}, what did you mean when you stated in your edit summary to [[Special:Diff/851618125|this edit reverting mine]] that you "can't restore [my] other changes"? Is there a problem with the changes I made? Or is it simply that you are not available to do so right now? So long as you are okay with all the other changes, I can simply change the {{para|U2-banned}} value back to <code>yes</code> and add information about the topic ban using [[Special:Diff/713041344|this diff]]. Is that acceptable? —[[User:Nøkkenbuer|Nøkkenbuer]] ([[User talk:Nøkkenbuer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nøkkenbuer|contribs]]) 15:03, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
:{{U|Nøkkenbuer}}, yes, that's fine. I was on my cell phone and the diff came out crazy so I couldn't figure out how to make just that one adjustment. I figured you'd notice the revert, which you did. Thanks. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:15, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
::I suspected as much and entirely understand, since the diffs sometimes don't render properly and I can only assume it's much worse on mobile. Anyway, the fixed edit can be found [[Special:Diff/851628585|here]]. Thanks for catching my mistake, by the way; I forgot to check the user's talk page. —[[User:Nøkkenbuer|Nøkkenbuer]] ([[User talk:Nøkkenbuer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nøkkenbuer|contribs]]) 15:29, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

== Multiline ==

Please stop unilaterally making the table bigger, uglier, and inconsistent. Take it to talk, but MOS readers shouldn't be subjected to that horror without consensus to assault their eyes. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 04:09, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
::Calm down. Not everyone has a geekezoid super-wide monitor such as the one used to produce your two screenshots [https://i.gyazo.com/bfd1d7a3a66d49cec5d7533564dc1a5d.png] [https://i.gyazo.com/f6772791366ec33c433075d54ce8a337.png]. For monitors of normal size (or, more to the point, windows of normal size even if shown on a very wide monitor) horizontal space is indeed a precious resource. And consensus has little to do with this, since this is a ''proposed'' table in project talk space being actively developed by several editors together. Try narrowing the window to a more conventional size and look again. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:19, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

:::1980x1080 is by far the most common monitor size. And those are zoomed in to 130%. At default size, the difference is even more pronounced. <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 04:33, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
::::<small>(Sorry that I accidentally deleted your reply there for a second)</small> {{tq|1980x1080 is by the most common monitor size.}}{{snd}}Apparently not, see [http://gs.statcounter.com/screen-resolution-stats/desktop/worldwide], and there's much more to what the user sees than that simplified measure. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

==Thanks==
...for your ''Signpost'' edits. You are always welcome to edit. Even if one day, every word of mine disappears and is replaced by something else that you have created, it would be welcome. Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|Barbara]]&nbsp;<span style="color: darkred;">[[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|✐ ]]&nbsp;[[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|✉ ]]</span> 14:38, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

==Blatant canvassing==

[[File:Lea & Perrins worcestershire sauce 150ml.jpg|thumb|upright=0.5|Reliable third-patty sauce]]
{{stack|float=right|[[File:Hamburger patty.jpg|thumb|upright=0.4|Third patty]]}}
{{stack|float=right|[[File:Hamburger patty.jpg|thumb|upright=0.4|Second patty]]}}
{{stack|float=right|[[File:Hamburger patty.jpg|thumb|upright=0.4|First patty]]}}
::''The images in controversy are those shown here, added some weeks ago to [[Wikipedia talk:Identifying and using independent sources]].''
{{clear right}}

Talk page stalkers! To the barricades! The powers of darkness are massing to remove painful visual puns from a project page [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_independent_sources&oldid=852517125#Explanation] (be sure to scroll down to see all four images). Now is the time for action! Discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:Identifying_and_using_independent_sources#Inclusion_of_images]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:00, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:Too bad there were no buns. Those patties just fall flat. Images are welcome if they <u>have</u> a schmear of relevance. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 17:41, 29 July 2018 (UTC) (add important missing element [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 18:39, 29 July 2018 (UTC))
::You've got some nerve complaining about bunlessness when you blatantly lack a verb. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:37, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Yes, leaving out important things, like verbs and relevance, is not good. i fixed mine above. How about you consider your stance toward images in this discussion? :) [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 18:39, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:Disgusting. Just your [[Meat Is Murder|sick and twisted]] mind letting the entire project down, yet again! You wouldn't find me posting [[American Burger|carnivorous rubbish]] like that. [[Vegan organic gardening|Lentil tree-hugger 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:45, 29 July 2018 (UTC) <small>And Jytog, please leave EEng's buns out of this.</small>

::I am really very very cross about this and so is my friend. I mean, this place is turning into a..... [[File:Hamburger patty.jpg|thumb|left=0.6|One patty-steak]] [[User:Irondome|Irondome]] ([[User talk:Irondome|talk]]) 18:23, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:::Mince [[Linda McCartney Foods#Burger recalls (1995-1996)|without the meat]].--[[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 19:17, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

::In my experience, when a joke falls flat (as this one clearly did), a skilled comedian will drop it from the comedy routine, instead of repeating it over and over in the hope that someone will get it. You asked, I answered. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:19, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

:::<small>Falls flat? Comedy routine?? A least it's not [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glnX8E48sn0 from Birmingham], eh??? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:33, 29 July 2018 (UTC) </small>
:::::<small>You made me watch ''that''? I just lost my appetite. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:27, 30 July 2018 (UTC)</small>

::::But it didn't fall flat. Several people thanked me for it. Naysayers are far more likely to speak up, so every wet blanket tsk-tsking I figure there are ten people getting a chuckle. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:20, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Trust me, it fell flat. The people who thanked you were inebriated (too much meat, too much serotonin), and if they thanked you for edit warring over it, they were dolts, to boot. And on the off-chance that you actually did give some folks a chuckle, then woo-hoo, you accomplished your objective, and it was time to get out of there before the hecklers started up. Repeating the same joke over and over kinda defeats the purpose. (Too much meat, too much serotonin, too much meat, too much serotonin.) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:27, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::Oh, and by the way, Chuckles, you ''do'' remember who was the first editor to pun on "sauce/source", don't you? (And it ''was'' funny when I did it!) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 00:31, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

::::😂 - I got it - sequence of images. Patty steak, patty steak on steroids={{applause}}

::::::No, no, no. You failed to get the sub-contextual, but [[Roud Folk Song Index|historically-rooted]], joke about <s>speed</s> [[Pat-a-cake, pat-a-cake, baker's man|EEng's buns]]. C'mon. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:10, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::And here I was thinking it was a joke about parties and Boston accents. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 01:50, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Are you trying to hint it's your birthday, EEng? Either that or another cause for celebration for you?--[[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 21:23, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
{{clear}}
[[File:Hamburger patty.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.6|Patty-steak]]
[[File:USS_John_C._Stennis_baker.jpg|thumb|right|upright=0.4|Baker's man {{right|-[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]]
[[File:Hamburger patty.jpg|thumb|center|upright=0.6|Patty-steak]]
{{clear}}

[[File:Touched by His Noodly Appendage HD.jpg|thumb|left|The [[Flying Spaghetti Monster]] sees all your ground meat! Ramen! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]])]]

* pun translation division:
** "one-patty steak" is a pun for one party state (humorless dictators).
<small> I think that's a bloody good pun that [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]), and it does not reference sauce. I bet you had a semi-chuckle. It's not easy getting a light-hearted politically satirical pun given such poor material. A bun and a burger. Marx never managed it. It's a little gem. I say. It came to me in a flash. Under ten seconds and the masterpun was fully formed. </small> [[User:Irondome|Irondome]] ([[User talk:Irondome|talk]]) 03:03, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
::<small>very nimble, and so orthongonal! Remarxable; i tip my cow to you sir. No bullshit there! [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 13:13, 30 July 2018 (UTC) </small>
**The three patties and "special sauce" at the essay on sources are (i think) playing on sauce/source (say "source" like you are for Bah-ston) with some 45-year old (!) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEBCV0ic6Tc big mac jingle thrown in] (two all beef patties special sauce etc). [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog|talk]]) 22:10, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
::::Um, not ''special sauce'', but rather ''reliable sauce'', as in ''reliable third-patty sauce''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:38, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::As I pointed out there's [[Arthur Hill, 2nd Baron Sandys|third party]] and [[Fourth Estate|third party]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:47, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

:::Ah yes, [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]], both [[Stewart Lee|Stewart]] and the [[Meta-joke|Miracle Healing Church of Finsbury Park]] would be [[Deconstruction|proud]] of you. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:20, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:::: Reliable [[Green Party of England and Wales|third party]] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XceuzVw4k4 sauce].--[[User:Kieronoldham|Kieronoldham]] ([[User talk:Kieronoldham|talk]]) 23:38, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::"Custard Throw at Lord Mandelson by Greenpeace Protester" belongs in The New Yorker's "There Will Always Be an England" department. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:58, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::Or, as the ''[[Daily Mirror]]'' would have it: "Mandy gets his [[Just Desserts shooting|just desserts]]". [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:31, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

*Thanks for the thanks. Observers: don't worry if you don't know what I mean. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:44, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
::<small>I certainly don't know what you mean, but your comment is making me nervous, anyways... <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 17:24, 1 August 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::<small>Alright then, Dr. Tryptofish will cure all nervousness. It was this: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AManual_of_Style&type=revision&diff=852720153&oldid=852718838], and EEng gave me a "thank" notification. Ask your doctor if "Template:Round in circles" is right for you. May cause dizziness. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::<small><small>It's unequivocally a sign that you're cutting too many corners. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 18:16, 1 August 2018 (UTC)</small></small>
:::::<small><small>[[Squaring the circle|Thusly]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:25, 1 August 2018 (UTC)</small></small>
{{clear}}

==Recursion==
[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User:EEng&curid=52300042&diff=853060225&oldid=853043986 "Anagrams don't lie"] can be rearranged to "damnation lagers." TTFN, I think I hear a bottle of Beck's calling to me. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 05:15, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
:Your observation has been duly entered in The Great Register [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=853064050]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:43, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

== T'was a SAD! week on wiki ==

Ô Revered Guardian of the Lost Art of Wiki-Fun, allow me to blatantly and not-humbly-at-all self-promote my contribution to this week's [[WP:TOP25]]. Sad! — [[User:JFG|JFG]] <sup>[[User talk:JFG|talk]]</sup> 17:01, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
:I like that Godzilla: King of the Monsters beat out Donald Trump. And speaking of useful idiots, I haven't forgotten about that, and those notes will turn up soon I'm sure. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:25, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

==Ardith Dondanville sources==
Hi, I see that you have removed my sources three times. Can you think of any better source that I could use, or do you think I can mention Ardith Dondanville anywhere else in the article? [[User:Davidgoodheart|Davidgoodheart]] ([[User talk:Davidgoodheart|talk]]) 06:06, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
:From what I can tell, Ardith Dondanville played a "background munchkin child". What would the reader gain by his being listed along with Garland, Bolger, and the other stars of the film? The lack of reliable sources answers that question. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 10:19, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

== Chesley Sullenberger ==

Initiated discussion for revising the lead on [[Talk:Chesley_Sullenberger]]. [[Special:Contributions/173.73.10.191|173.73.10.191]] ([[User talk:173.73.10.191|talk]]) 23:39, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

=== August 2018 ===

[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]]&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Chesley Sullenberger]]. Users are expected to [[WP:TALKDONTREVERT|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:
# '''Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;'''
# '''Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.'''
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's [[Help:Talk pages|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an [[WP:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, it may be appropriate to [[WP:Requests for page protection|request temporary page protection]]. If you engage in an edit war, you '''may be [[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing.'''<!-- Template:uw-ew --> [[Special:Contributions/173.73.10.191|173.73.10.191]] ([[User talk:173.73.10.191|talk]]) 05:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

*Our lecturing friend the IP is making a mountain out of [https://wiki.riteme.site?oldid=854134965#Lead_(2) this molehill]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:49, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

==ANI==
[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> '''''[[User:Galatz|<span style="color: #000080">Galatz גאליץ</span>]][[User_talk:Galatz|<span style="color: #FF0000"><sup>שיחה Talk</sup></span>]]''''' 21:21, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

=== ANI PPV ===

A real barn-burner at ANI. How about a "loser leaves Wikipedia" match? Don't worry about losing, you can always come back as [[User:TheMaskedEEng]]. [[User:Primergrey|Primergrey]] ([[User talk:Primergrey|talk]]) 03:27, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
:I found the ANI discussion most entertaining! [http://bulletin.equinoxpub.com/2016/11/trump-barthes-and-the-triumph-of-wrestling/15032427_10157599889090198_1441471916_n/ I pity the fools!] If there ever is a PPV starring EEng, I'll watch it. Well, at least it wasn't Pokémon. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:35, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

== Q Eye for the ANI Guy ==

::''Curator's note: For those playing along at home, this concerns [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=854835724 this edit] at ANI. The title of this thread was provided by The Curator.''
Please don’t joke about being from QAnon on the noticeboard. Thanks, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 03:45, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
:What makes you think I'm joking?
:OK, seriously, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Your Arbship]], I respect you as an editor, administrator, and arbitrator [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aSIHbt8tGQA] (at least I think I do, unless I have you mixed up with someone else) but recently you've developed a most distressing tsk-tsking habit. What are you talking about? I expressed relief that an ANI thread headed simply ''Q'' did not, in fact, relate to the looniest of Trump's loonies. Since it's the edit summary that is the apparent focus of your concern [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=854836340] you could have revdel'd the e.s. and left unmolested the post itself, which is obviously harmless. As it is you've let remain in the page history the very thing you object to i.e. the e.s. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:12, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hi. The use of humor to leaven the atmosphere on the noticeboards is a fine thing; I do it myself from time to time. But the appropriateness of particular remarks or images is always subjective. Last week, I knew that I didn't want to look at a picture of a pus-laden ("pussy") eye every time I peeked at ANI, and at least one other person had posted the same thing. The replacement photo you posted was arguably funnier or arguably an irrelevant distraction and I let it go. </br>
::In last night's instance, you posted a comment about the ambiguity of "Q" in an already closed thread. Like you, I'm glad that the ANI thread didn't turn out to be about [[QAnon|Q]], or for that matter about [[Q (Star Trek)|Q]] or [[Q (James Bond)|Q]] or [[Arthur_Quiller-Couch|Q]]. The edit summary troubled me, largely because my feelings about QAnon are exactly the same as yours. I don't think it qualifies for rev-del (there are rules about that), and I'm not too worried about it being in the page history because no sane person will ever look through the page history of ANI, which probably has more revisions than any other page on the entire wiki other than maybe the Sandbox. </br>
::I'll try not to tsk-tsk too much but I just ask that you pick your spots with these things. Regards, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 13:51, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Where we go one we go all (WWG1WGA), which works well for restaurant reservations. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 14:02, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
:::<small>I wish I'd thought of the heading on this thread. "[[Queer Eye|rofl]]"... But urgghh, "picking spots"? that sounds particularly unpleasant. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:07, 14 August 2018 (UTC) [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] , aren't you thinking of [[The Three Musketeers|these guys]]?? </small>
::::<small>Why yes, yes I was (which makes the seating easier). [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 14:11, 14 August 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::::<small>Ah cool. But I guess you don’t have [[QI|Stephen Fry]] in the US, do you? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:12, 14 August 2018 (UTC) </small>
::::::Brad is quite right that only an insane person would go through the ANI edit history, because that's what I just did. And Brad is a far, far nicer human being than I am because (a) I'm a fish, not a human, and (b) I'm grumpy and pissed off because I was notified today that I've been editing WP for 10 years and there are kids on my lawn. So I'm perfectly happy with tsk-tsking anytime. So, I looked at the ANI edit and the edit summary, and I'm pleasantly surprised to say that I found it quite clever and not at all inappropriate. And the revised section header for this talk section is absolutely fabulous dahling. But EEng sweetie, please do cut back on the comedy routine at ANI. ANI is the sanctuary for the poor souls with tinfoil hats who are in a state of agitation and on whom humor is lost. Swine before pearls. And humor gets misread on Teh Internets all the time. So please do less ANI humor and check out open-mike night at the comedy club instead. And if you need any help about those spots you're picking, I've got some lotion you can borrow. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 14:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::And the news is already out: [https://www.salon.com/2018/08/11/bill-maher-reveals-himself-to-be-q-has-a-message-for-his-qanon-followers/ Q is Bill Maher]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 15:01, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::<small>I used to have some of those [[Pearls Before Swine (band)|"swine pearls"]] (for use at weekends). But the look really [[Lipstick on a pig|didn't suit me]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:08, 14 August 2018 (UTC) </small>
::::::::<small>True. And just try putting [[Plectorhinchus|lipstick on a fish]]. Not a pretty sight. You said in your edit summary that you stick to sheep. What kind of glue do you use? Your secret is safe with me. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 15:53, 14 August 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::::::::<small>It's just like [[Glue stick|normal glue]], but [[Shepherd's crook|more sticky]]. Ah yes, "a genus of grunts". I wonder is that related to "a [[Learned pig|genius of grunts]]"? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:01, 14 August 2018 (UTC) </small>
*EEng, you weren't far off: I've reverted quite a few "deep state" edits and responded to a few "the storm" claims on talk pages. QAnon is not only here, it's been here for quite some time. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 16:18, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

== "always when I'm being a smartass" ==

Re: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&curid=5137507&diff=854991720&oldid=854991445], I will take a smartass over a dumbass every time. :) --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 06:30, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:Just "Always" then, smartarse. -[[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' the dog.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''barcus''']] 07:34, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
::That was a good one, EEng! So would summery style be editing by a hothead? Anyway, just be careful to cover your smartass. Roxy, were you addressing that to {{u|Smartse}}? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 14:02, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Nah. No-one's gonna [[Autumn|fall]] for that [[Shoemaking|load of old cobblers]]. EEng you're a true [[Legends of the Fall|"ledge"]]. Ya schmuck. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:13, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
::::We can always count on Martin to [[Spring (season)|spring]] into [[Spring (device)|action]], even when he's [[Spring (hydrology)|all wet]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 14:26, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::I just realized that we forgot to work "badass" into this discussion. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:27, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
::::::The user that discussion's about [https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Bad_Ass could have been from there], considering their interest in astrology. <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Eman235#top|<span style="color:green;">E'''man'''</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<span style="color:#6643d1;">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<span style="color:brown;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 23:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Someone pass EEng that [[Bad Ass (film)|baseball bat]].... [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 08:52, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

== Please comment on [[Talk:RF resonant cavity thruster#rfc_690374E|Talk:RF resonant cavity thruster]] ==

The [[WP:Feedback request service|feedback request service]] is asking for participation in [[Talk:RF resonant cavity thruster#rfc_690374E|this request for comment on '''Talk:RF resonant cavity thruster''']]. <!-- Template:FRS message --> <!-- FRS id 93154 --> [[User:Legobot|Legobot]] ([[User talk:Legobot|talk]]) 04:26, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
:Sounds like something frightening you'd find in a dentist's office. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:07, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
::Hmmm. Before you comment, I think you should try and ascertain.... [[Marathon Man (film)|"is it safe?"]] !! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 13:10, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Sounds to me like the most un-sexy double entendre of all time. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:23, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
::::"Oooh, watch where you're putting that tamping iron, [[Kenneth Williams|Dr Gage]], you'll [[Carry On Doctor|'ave someone's eye out with that!!"]] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:50, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
*<small>I love this edit summary: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEEng&type=revision&diff=855656524&oldid=855635649]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:56, 20 August 2018 (UTC)</small>

=== Hard data? ===

We absolutely need something lewd about soft and hard blocks. [[User:Blackmane|Blackmane]] ([[User talk:Blackmane|talk]]) 01:38, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

:So naturally you came to me [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=855807769]. As a followup I'm trying to figure out how to work the resonant cavity thruster in as well. I'll keep you posted. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 01:48, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

::I almost wrote "my sir, that's a fine bit of [[WP:BOOMERANG|bent wood]] you're brandishing there" on [[WP:ANEW]] just now in response to a boomerang block, but feared somebody might extract a double-entendre out of it. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 10:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
:::Now just stop taking the [[Michael Bentwood|mickey]], can you? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:46, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
:::I'm glad to see this page has lost none of the juvenile character so many have been complaining about for so long. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 10:47, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
::Who else would one turn to?? [[User:Blackmane|Blackmane]] ([[User talk:Blackmane|talk]]) 04:58, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

== August 2018: The Augustening ==

[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px]] You may be '''[[WP:THANKS|thanked]] without further warning''' the next time you make [[WP:SPADE|personal attacks]] on other people, as you did in <span class="plainlinks">[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=856336131&oldid=856336014&diffmode=source this edit]</span>. Comment on content, not on idiots. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 14:58, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

:I think my block button is deficient - I looked down the list of reasons, and "being a douchebag" is not on there. What gives? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 17:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

::Or else, being a mighty Admin person, you could just tell him to go "shove it up 'is [[Aristotle|aris]] [https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/with-brass-knobs-on with brass knobs on]"?? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 17:32, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
::{{ping|Ritchie333}}That was me; I removed it from your block button. But I'm not sorry, it was pure self-preservation. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 18:35, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

== Again, perfectly obvious to those not mentally defective ==

<abbr title="Awesome face" style="border-bottom: none;">[[File:718smiley.svg|18px|link=]]</abbr> —[[User:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span>]][[User talk:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span>]] – 22:08, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
:An apparent reference to [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=prev&oldid=856337863]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:35, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

== Wisenheimer ==

2 things:

1. Who knew she was even still alive?

2. I'd still appreciate it if you eased up on Galatz...it would make '''my''' life easier in dealing with him if nothing else.

[[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 19:55, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
:Well, that's a powerful incentive. I'll try to give it a rest for a while, but if this keeps up, I'll go forward with proposing changes to sourcing requirements calculated to radically denotable-ize most topics in pro wrestling. These endless phony in-universe novelettes have only been tolerated to the extent they don't interfere with the rest of the project, but that's on the verge of changing. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:05, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

::Believe me, Galatz drives me crazy as much as anybody with his rigidity and super-seriousness, but also you're not the one he's issuing ANIs on every time a couple of little things get shuffled around (especially when I didn't do the shuffling to begin with), and screaming WP:This, WP:That, and WP:The Other. Just look at it as helping a brother out. [[User:Vjmlhds|Vjmlhds]] [[user talk:Vjmlhds|(talk)]] 20:26, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
:::OK bro, I'm hip. We cool. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:31, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Barnstar of Humour Hires.png|100px]]
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Barnstar of Good Humor'''
|-
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=857401767&oldid=857400626 I have no words] [[User:GRuban|GRuban]] ([[User talk:GRuban|talk]]) 13:51, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
|}
:You must know [[User:EEng|EEng]] by now... he just loves to [[:File:Amundsen-Fram.jpg|break the ice]] at parties. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 14:08, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

== Your thoughts... ==
[[File:04 Rotating Ceiling fan at 80th of a second.JPG|thumb|Whisper quiet.]]
When you get a chance, will you look at [http://www.lhn.uni-hamburg.de/article/metanarration-and-metafiction this source] and tell me what you think about it as a [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Fan_service#cite_ref-9 source] for [[Fan service#History]]? Thanks in advance...<sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 17:11, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
:This being EEng's talk page, I suggest this source: [https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Fan]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:53, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
::In the name of God [[WP:Long-term_abuse/David_Beals|keep your voice down or you'll wake him!]] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:05, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
:::''[[Harisen]]''. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
*Back to the original question: Though whenever I see the word [[Sokal_affair|''hermeneutic'']] that's when [[That's When I Reach for My Revolver|I reach for my revolver]], and honestly if that source is randomly-generated I wouldn't know it, but I suppose it's an RS. However, I don't see in the source anything supporting the use of ''The Frogs'' as an example -- I fear this may be SYNTH/OR. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:08, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
**Now THAT is a fantastic song. [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] ([[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|talk]]) 19:35, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
:Hey y'all - I'm trying to be serious ... really, really trying...but not as [https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/trying trying] as this interaction...so please don't ''fan'' the flames. I attempted to drown out the rhetoric, but how the hell does one drown a fish? I expected nothing less from Shock...whose user name is appropriate in this instance...and I actually expected EEng's revolving view but not quite as revolvalutionary as his response to ''hermeneutic'' - it gave me hot flashes which require the service of a fan...and that brings us back to my original question and the reliability of the [[Barbecue sauce|source]], and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysAe_DdZO-E the tune] that is now embedded in my head. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:10, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
::You could try drowning me in margaritas. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:40, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
:::Oh, good - I've heard that it's much better to have willing subjects. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 18:29, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

== DUH moments ==

Can you think of a witty entry in [[WP:ASTONISHME]] for [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Stokes_Croft&diff=858982984&oldid=855633468 this edit]? I'm afraid my sense of humour is recharging in the garage at the moment. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
:I don't know, but I'm sure our local fish will have something to say about [[Haddocks' Eyes]]. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 22:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::It [[Fisheye State Routing|took me a while to get here]], and perhaps our local Martin might want to sing [[Fisheye (album)|a song]] about it, but it [[Fisheye lens|looks to me]] like it's [[Barreleye|in the barrel]]. [[Foureye butterflyfish|Some]] may need [[Four-eyed fish|glasses]], and some, [[Telescopefish|telescopes]], and others, [[Anomalopidae|a flashlight]], while still others, [[Brownsnout spookfish|a mirror]], but I hope no one will [[Mexican tetra|fail to see it]]. Suggested reading, for aficionados of weirdness: [[Vision in fishes#Barreleyes]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:14, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
::Duly added [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=858992549]. You are a true friend of the crown. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mGNhvkVT8Q Dilly! Dilly!] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:30, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

==CC==
I know it wasn't you who has been using the word troll, but I always address comments like mine on that talk p. to both people, so as not to look like I'm taking sides'''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 14:44, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
:Thanks. I understand, and just so you know I posted this [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=858487026] before seeing your note here. I don't know what's with him. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:51, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
:::''It seems to be continuing, from both sides. I have removed the irrelevant material. If more is added to that talk page or my talk page, I shall block. The best way of avoiding it is to to reply directly to the other party. '''''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 14:23, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Fine with me, but don't look at me -- I'm not the one whining on your talk page. Like I said [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=858521462&oldid=858515452], "It's at times like these that I really feel sorry for high-profile admins like DGG, who get pinged in by people mad they can't get something collapsed or other such trivia." [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:21, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

=== September 2018 ===
[[File:KEN DODD.jpg|thumb|If only we could be more like the late [[Ken Dodd|Sir Ken]], spread some [[Happiness (Bill Anderson song)|Happiness]] and all be tickled with glee!]]
[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|alt=Stop icon]] You may be '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]] without further warning''' the next time you purposefully and blatantly [[Wikipedia:Harassment|harass]] a fellow Wikipedian, as you did at [[:Cambridge Companions]]. '' ''<!-- Template:uw-harass4 --> '''[[User:DGG| DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG| talk ]]) 06:17, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

:No doubt you mean this [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=858980818&oldid=858893109], which of course follows on to all this [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=858521462&oldid=858515452]. DGG, you have many admirable qualities but coddling humorless crybabies [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=858541762][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=858543982][https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=858987192] isn't one of them. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:30, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
:This is why [[WP:DTTR]] is a thing. I saw this warning and had to check it out, and I can't see anything even remotely resembling "purposeful and blatant harassment". Well, coming from Eeng, anyways. A personal note would have been '''much''' better at communicating the ideas I saw expressed at that TP by DGG. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 13:57, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::Do we need to make [[Template:FBDB]] in a larger font? Heck, would this be an appropriate occasion to deploy the <nowiki><blink></nowiki> tag? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 14:13, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::::If you make that happen, I will hunt you down and kill you slowly. Or high-five you and get you drunk so we can start using it all over the wiki. I'm not sure which, yet. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 15:20, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Mr. Pants, it seems to me your post would itself a very good place to deploy a blinking fbdb, given that a superficial inspection could lead someone to conclude you were actually threatening to kill someone. Dumbass.{{fbdb}} [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:27, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::Don't worry, it's only [[Despacito|slowly]] (if not [[Killing Me Softly (film)|softly]]). [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::To be clear, because I am an honest guy, my statement to Iridescent ("Be nice or I'll accuse you of trolling.{{fbdb}") was a reference to Curly Turkey's bizarre accusations (enumerated here [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=858521462&oldid=858515452]) that I had been trolling; but it's certainly not harassment of anyone. Only later was I reminded, quite by accident, that Curly Turkey's animosity apparently goes back to this bizarre discussion [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=838915877]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:30, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Speaking from experience, humor can get you t-banned or blocked, and it’s very possible that it will come at you from your blind side. It won’t matter one iota if you were templated or warned in a nice way. The target on your back gets illuminated and sometimes the t-ban or block comes just because it can - but you probably already know that. However, in this case, it appears to me the warning is to avoid the appearance of favoritism, and not anything personal - remember, it’s never personal. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 14:38, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Adding a question - EEng, I read the link you posted above and it led to one of your essays so I was wondering if it would be plausible to create the category ''Wikipedia essays by EEng'' which will make them a bit easier to find, or is it forbidden per IAR? <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 15:52, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::I'd support that as a maintenance category, because it would make it much easier to identify candidates for MfD. ''(Sound of evil laughter.)'' --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:16, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::Tryp, for future reference: [[File:Evil laughter.ogg]]. You can also leave it playing as a loop in your room at the home. The fish will find it comforting, and it will keep tricksters away. (🔙 see file) <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |📞]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Is this really [[Ernst Stavro Blofeld|"old Blowers"]] (as he was [[Henry Blofeld|affectionately]] known)?? Strangely it has (for me [[The Windmills of Your Mind|at least]]) distinct overtones of other [[Peter Wyngarde|louche and faintly menacing characters]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:23, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

== Fugue ==

I take it you have already heard of [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZxCAqCUgug this]? [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 11:37, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
:What are those squiggle symbols in the video while they're singing? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:47, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:*If it's a squiggly line in the lyrics, that means hold the vowel with [[vibrato]] while hitting the notes shown in the tablature. Straight lines mean the same, only without the vibrato.
:*The little squiggly that looks like a percentage sign missing the bottom degree symbol is a [[rest (music)|rest]] and it means a pause with no sound, same goes for the one that looks like a squiggle with a calligraphy pen.
:*The hashtag looking symbol means to [[Sharp (music)|sharpen]] the note (move it up one [[semitone]]), and the little "b" looking symbol means to [[Flat (music)|flatten]] it (move it down one semitone).
:*The two little "b" symbols immediately following the big & symbol means that those particular notes should be flattened unless indicated otherwise.
:*The symbol that looks ''almost'' like a hashtag, but with only one branch sticking up and one down with none to the sides means to ''not'' flatten the normally-flattened note that immediately follows it.
:*If a solid note has a flag at the top (or bottom), that means it last half as long as usual (1/4 as long if there are two flags, etc), and the bars between the notes indicate the same thing.
:*Notes with a dot following them mean to hold it for 1.5 times the normal duration.
:*A hollow note with no line coming up or down from it lasts four beats, a hollow note with a line (called a [[Stem (music)|stem]]) lasts two beats, and a solid note with a stem lasts 1 beat.
:*The row of tablature that starts with the giant "&" symbol is a [[treble clef]] and it's where the melody is written.
:*The bottom line on the top row of the treble clef indicates the E in the middle of the keyboard, with each line and space between lines representing one note (usually 2 semitones higher than the previous, except for F and C) in the [[C Major]] scale. Notes appearing above or below it will have one or more lines through them and/or their stems to indicate how far above or below the top/bottom note of the clef they are.
:*The row of the tablature that starts with the big almost-question-mark looking swirly symbol is the [[bass clef]], and only bassists and pianists care about it.
::Now that you know how to read music, I'll be expecting a live recital of ''[[Für Elise]]'' with the ''proper'' dynamic timing by this time next week. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 17:22, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:::That's impressive! But what does it mean if the tablature says "go fugue yourself!"? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:38, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Here's a joke: How come Bach had so many children?
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::::Answer: He didn't have any stops in his organ.
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:::::In fact, he wore out three organs fuguing.
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::::[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:Nah. Forget all that complicated [[Suzuki method|"MPants motorbike method"]]... all you need to know about music is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo_mpwmashg here]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:57, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
*{{tq|That's impressive! But what does it mean if the tablature says "go fugue yourself!"?}} It doesn't mean much, but is usually written on your copy of the music after you've helpfully pointed out to the singer that they were just a bit flat on that last song. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 22:12, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::Our little family biker club was named "The Fugums"...we're very musical and quite talented. In fact, we played "Rollover Beethoven" repeatedly while on the way to the Sturgis Bike Rally. That's all I remember...but I do have pictures!! 😂 <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 22:18, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:::And this clip takes the idea of the Bach fugue to a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CRsCzn8j0c whole new level]. Apologies if you find this particularly disturbing. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:20, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::::Yes, it disturbed me. And [[4chan]] may be coming after you now! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:25, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Ah yeah, whateva. Bring it dude. Those [[Shuriken|ninja stars]] ain't a patch on Fram when he's riled. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:34, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::But watch out for those ''[[harisen]]''. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:39, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::"Hmmph, hmmph, hmmph! Well [[Stan Laurel|Trypto]], that's [[Slapstick|another fine mess]] you've gotten me into!" [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::True, my hardy friend! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::[[The Music Box|"You hum it and we'll get MPants to play it..."]] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 23:04, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Is that a hum job? (I'm going to regret having said that, too!) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:23, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
[[File:Dolly Parton in Nashville 2.jpg|thumb|Careful now, never call a female singer flat]]
::Careful now, never call a female singer flat. (Oh, I'm going to regret having said that!) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:21, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:::This may be getting a bit too risque, but years ago, when auditioning a female singer for a band I was in, this one girl was really bad. Like, ''American Idol'' audition out-takes level bad. After she tried out, our drummer Zach asked her why she wanted to sing for us (she had "sang" a couple of alt-rock/nu-metal songs and we were a prog-metal band) and she literally giggled like a little girl and said "because I like anal." We didn't ask her any more questions (except for the guitar playing asking her for a date).
:::To this day, that answer haunts me. ''What does it mean??'' <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 23:33, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
::::That's one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time! Anal=calling you assholes, maybe? I'd like to ask the guitar player how the date went. (Make joke here about happy ''end''ing.) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:41, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::I heard the two of them had a very nice deep-fried [[Tierce de Picardie]] at the local "Frog and Bucket Bar". [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 09:42, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I hate Picardy thirds. It's like adding an extra chapter to the end of Romeo & Juliet in which the knife turned out to be a prop knife and the poison to be brandy. It is not in any way satisfying '''because it's not the chord I was waiting for!!!''' I'd rather end a number on a good [[blue note]] any day. At least that adds in some tension that leaves it with a bit of soul. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 13:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::All sounds a bit [[Anal by Anal|retentive]] to me. --[[Anal Arasu|Dancing Queen 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:57, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I recall learning [[Ralph Vaughan Williams]]' ''[[English Folk Song Suite]]'' at school, and as far as I recall off the top of my head, the end of the first movement, "[[Seventeen Come Sunday]]" ends on a rather nice Picardy third. Or, slightly more recently, the live version of "[[Don't Stop Me Now]]" as appearing on ''[[Live Killers]]'' resolves on a rather interesting G (just where the studio version fades out) despite the bulk of the song being in F, the closing chords suggest Gm. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 14:50, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, well just because [[Freddie Mercury|Lord Freddie]] (peace be upon him) did it once doesn't make it okay. [[Ray Comfort|Even the divine occasionally make mistakes]]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 14:57, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::I said it was "interesting", not "okay". It just sounds like such a damp squib to end a great song on, which probably explains when they finally revived it with [[Adam Lambert|Prince Adam]], they chopped that whole bit out and finished on a nice big fat F after the last chorus, like a ''proper'' rock song <small>(mind you, I can just hear Freddie saying, "now look darlings, that's just far too uncouth, what we need at the end is a bit of ballet my loves....")</small> [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 15:01, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::Ah no! Not another [[Squiddly Diddly|damp squid]]! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:10, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

*YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:42, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography ==

Whatever happened to BRD...? [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 16:21, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
:Presumably you're talking about [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=860279598] and the two edits immediately following it. When one editor makes a change; a second editor reverts saying, "Hmmm, I liked it the way it was"; then a third restores the change saying, "Here are some other reasons the change is a good one"{{snd}}that's often all that's needed for agreement. Not every minor disagreement needs a big-deal discussion thread. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:36, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

== The Pentagon ==

I just want to clarify I do not object to images not having captions but to '''thumb''' images not having captions. Since your latest image edits do not have thumb images with no captions but just plain images I have no objection. I didn’t like the gallery at the bottom before and am glad you have changed it. '''[[User:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: darkgreen">IWI</span>]]''' (''[[User talk:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: purple">chat</span>]]'') 12:41, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:Well hello, {{U|ImprovedWikiImprovment}}, and thanks for taking the time to explain. However{{snd}}and this is an important however{{snd}}the appropriate way to act on your concern would have been to change three instances of ''thumb'' to ''frameless'', not to mass-revert everything another editor had done all over the article. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:51, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::Yes I am in agreement; that was a mistake on my behalf and I apologise. '''[[User:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: darkgreen">IWI</span>]]''' (''[[User talk:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: purple">chat</span>]]'') 14:13, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
:::{{U|ImprovedWikiImprovment}}, you are most gracious. Enjoy this free ticket to [[User:EEng#museums|The Museums]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:25, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
::::I see the ironically named ImprovedWikiImprovement has been improving the wiki with improvements by citing the ever popular [[WP:ASTONISHME]] essay that is very popular in these parts. I'll be impressed if he can top [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Citrus_juice&diff=836222140&oldid=836222098 this] though [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 20:20, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::What? It astonished the hell out of me. I thought it came from papayas. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 20:26, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Ritchie333}}, wait, hold the phone. So, you're telling me that orange juice is extracted from oranges!? I thought it was named so because it is orange in colour. Regards, [[User:SshibumXZ|SshibumXZ]] ([[User talk:SshibumXZ|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/SshibumXZ|contribs]]). 20:37, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

== Divine Rights ==

I spruced up [[WP:NDR]] a bit today, but I'm sure you and your merry band of talk page stalkers can do better. Have at it. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 18:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

*Asking EEng for essay help has become something like a [[wikt:divine|cere]][[wikt:rite|mony]] around here. <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Eman235#top|<span style="color:green;">E'''man'''</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<span style="color:#6643d1;">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<span style="color:brown;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 20:18, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
*I'm on jury duty but I'm sure the glittering salon of talk page stalkers will see to it. Ping me again in a couple of days. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:51, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

== Talk page too long ==

I've had a complaint that my talk page is too long. What should I do?

I was amazed, checking the history, that you in fact do archive your talk page. [[User:Kendall-K1|Kendall-K1]] ([[User talk:Kendall-K1|talk]]) 20:12, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

*{{tps}}<small> It's a bit like [[Sahara|filling a few sandbags]], isn't it. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:40, 25 September 2018 (UTC) </small>
*Of course I archive my talk page. I'm not a barbarian. Imagine if I didn't! I suggest you point the complainants to this page and tell them [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AFf0ysgNiM things could be worse]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:49, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
::I guess that makes me a barbarian. I did point the complainant to this page and have heard nothing since. [[User:Kendall-K1|Kendall-K1]] ([[User talk:Kendall-K1|talk]]) 00:16, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
:::He's probably still waiting for this page to load. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:28, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::{{applause}} --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:11, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
::::While this page is on my watchlist, I rarely visit new changes because it takes seconds to load.<abbr title="Smiling face" style="border-bottom: none;">[[File:Face-smile.svg|18px|link=]]</abbr> —[[User:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span>]][[User talk:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span>]] – 05:26, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Seconds. This is indeed the age of instant gratification. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:10, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

== Mail as in email ==

I sent you an email, but don't know if it included what I intended to send. Yes or no? <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:15, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
:Well, I'm not a mind reader so I can only surmise what you intended to send, but on that surmise I think the answer is yes. For now I think it's best ignored. I find it amusing that in the course of just that one page I progress from being a professor of neuroscience at Harvard (which I am not) to being a neurosurgeon (which I ''most certainly'' am not). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:43, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
::<small>Just as well you're not a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNPmhBl-8I rocket scientist]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
:::But that's what I am. who told you? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:03, 25 September 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::Of all the people on this planet for me to ask a stupid question...I asked YOU!!! 😂 😂 Astonishing. I should've proof-read it...(probably with a few jiggers of 100 proof). My question reminded me a bit of [http://abitoblarney.com/letterfromirishmothertoherson.htm this letter]. BTW, Martinevans123, that clip was hilarious! <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::[[News of the World|"Top Wiki Arbcon Brain Docs in EEng Mercy Dash"]]: watch?v=cEkT5uspE3c [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 07:28, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
:My most recent amusing accusation: apparently I'm a paid apologist for the Roman Catholic church. Where's my money, Franky, that's what I'd like to know. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 05:28, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
::Well, hrmpf - if you're not getting paid, {{u|David Eppstein|David}}, stop [[Apologist|apologizing]], or they'll try to pay you in Italian papals instead of <big>💵</big> (US). <sup>{{:FMFFIHS}} 🙏🏻...waves of Italian guilt...I'll just go ahead and say [[Act of Contrition|5 Acts of Contrition]] and [[Hail Mary|10 Hail Marys]].</sup> <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 01:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

== A little help ==
[[File:Louse species.jpg|thumb|220px| When things get [[Head louse|lousy]] for slow swimming fish, they resort to nitpicking. <sup>[[User:Atsme|Professor PffT]] ([[User talk:Atsme|Doctor of Acnestis]]) 19:04, 29 September 2018 (UTC) ]]</sup>
[[File:Head louse crawling on hairbrush.webm|thumb|upright=1.1|Trying to think of a good play on "parrot droppings" is a real head scratcher. <sup>[[User:Atsme|Dr. Who?]] ([[User talk:Atsme|Doctor of Acnestis]])</sup> ]]

I've been implementing some [[WP:ASTONISHME]] upon reading it but am unable to do it at [[BT group]] due to one user who basically owns the article if you look at the history. Could you help me reach consensus? '''[[User:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: darkgreen">IWI</span>]]''' (''[[User talk:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: purple">chat</span>]]'') 21:05, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
:{{tps}} {{u|ImprovedWikiImprovment}}, you can always buy the article from him. Regards, [[User:SshibumXZ|SshibumXZ]] ([[User talk:SshibumXZ|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/SshibumXZ|contribs]]). 21:45, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
:: Seriously, I suggest that you continue partaking in the talk page discussion and try to [[WP:COMPROMISE|compromise]] with the 'owner' of the article. Regards, [[User:SshibumXZ|SshibumXZ]] ([[User talk:SshibumXZ|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/SshibumXZ|contribs]]). 21:45, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
:::{{replyto|SshibumXZ}} I tried that:”Undone; consensus needed”. Could you voice your opinion on the matter? The guy undoes everything anyone does except grammar. '''[[User:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: darkgreen">IWI</span>]]''' (''[[User talk:ImprovedWikiImprovment|<span style="color: purple">chat</span>]]'') 22:04, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
* Something I missed when I was looking at your contribution history {{U|ImprovedWikiImprovment|IWI}}, damn, even here you've said about me being the "owner" and "undoes everything anyone does except grammar" - go back to the talk page and read my responses, try to comprehend it (if you can). Shocking [[User:Steven (Editor)|Steven (Editor)]] ([[User talk:Steven (Editor)|talk]]) 20:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
*Cut it out, both of you. I do the insulting around here. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:34, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
::::<small>And you're lousy at it. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:28, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::Oh, shut up, you sniveling heap of parrot droppings.{{fbdb}} [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:35, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</small>
: 🙁😂 [[User:Steven (Editor)|Steven (Editor)]] ([[User talk:Steven (Editor)|talk]]) 21:49, 28 September 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::<small>EEng, make that [[Parrotfish|parrot'''fish''']] droppings - it's more realistic since he's closer to being a brain [[surgeonfish]] despite his disguise as a [[Anglerfish|tryptofish]]. He is really, really smart - knows all about [[Hippocampus|seahorses]] - practically lived 24/7 with them in a fish lab located on the Hippo campus at Weatherford Junior College. The folks at the home where he lives now nicknamed him [[Nemo (Finding Nemo)|Neuro]], but unfortunately, like Martiin, he still doesn't know you're a rocket scientist, so please go easy on him. He doesn't swim as fast as he once did. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 02:09, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Well played, Atsme. Yesterday, I tried to think of a good play on "parrot droppings", but didn't come up with anything. Oh, and you're lousy at this. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:37, 29 September 2018 (UTC)</small>
:I see that [[Acnestis]] is a red link. Given [[wikt:acnestis|what it means]], this sounds like an itch that needs to be scratched, and furthermore, the DYK possibilities seem quite numerous. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:24, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
::{{User:Atsme/Scientist}}
{{clear}}

==friends!==
[[File:Trump Turnberry Hotel - geograph.org.uk - 5273443.jpg|thumb|GET OFF MY LAWN!]]
You and I must--must--become friends! It is a galactic imperative! You are, maybe, the second person I have found on Wikipedia with a sense of humor, and I desperately need you in my Wp life! Plus I want to steal some of your stuff... I absolutely must have that pyramid for my talk page! If you had any idea how much trouble I have had with exactly the issue of authoritarian editors--well one really--you would swear it had been created just for me! I'm sure they were reading my talk page and simply neglected to tell me they had made a pyramid out of it. I have every intention of becoming one of your 'crazed talk page stalkers', so giving me the pyramid would be a good start! Does it need a US copyright tag--no wait--aaarrgghh!!!--I have been assimilated! [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 17:51, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
:<Small>Tryptofish... I'll stall him. You call the ''police!'' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:55, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</small>
:::<small>Sorry, I'm late to the party, per the talk section below. Also, might not be a "he". --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:24, 2 October 2018 (UTC)</small>
::Her--why is this here three times? Do you have your talk page set up to purposefully edit conflict?!? How do you do that? I want to do that! I must have you! [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 17:59, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Deep breaths. Deep breaths. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:03, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
:::I can see this is going to require some perseverance. I'm sure you're not implying I'm a stalker--right? That would be bad. That could upset me... ha ha ha (joking--just joking!!). I'm perfectly harmless--well mostly harmless--sometimes I'm harmless--ahhh screw it, nevermind. I require a lot more than a pyramid to do deep breathing with someone. [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 18:07, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
::::<small>Sound of sirens drawing closer. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:42, 1 October 2018 (UTC)</small>
*Ha! This is probably [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MjolnirPants&diff=860900705&oldid=860896398&diffmode=source my fault]. What can I say? I'm a friendly guy (believe it or not), I like friendly people. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 21:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

:: :-) It's a good thing you do have a sense of humor! (I think I hear those sirens...) Really, I only love you for your pyramid--can I have your permission to steal it?[[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 02:36, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Pssst. Don't ask his permission, just do it. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 02:37, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::: {{ec}} Don't! They are all trying to frame you, Jenhawk. Everyone knows if one asks for one's permission before stealing one's stuff, one would not be susceptible to lawsuits by one. Regards, [[User:SshibumXZ|SshibumXZ]] ([[User talk:SshibumXZ|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/SshibumXZ|contribs]]). 02:49, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::Thieves respect property. They merely wish the property to become their property that they may more perfectly respect it.. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 07:48, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
::::I already like you--so pssst away! :-) He won't be my friend if I just steal his stuff--I'm pretending to be respectful and all that crap that makes people think you're actually likable. I think I have him fooled--what do you think? How am I doing? Pretty smooth huh? [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 02:43, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::{{u|SshibumXZ}} One appreciates one's wonderful advice and one will watch out carefully for those ones attempting to entrap one. Thank <s>you</s> one. [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 02:55, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::Will oneders never cease? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:59, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::I can one up that one. [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 03:54, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
*YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:00, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::: Then how will we play that game of croquet you promised? (I'm ba-a-ack!) :-) [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 01:49, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

==[[Bernard DeVoto]]==
'''EEng:''' Please stop spending your time (and wasting mine) by criticizing and deleting information. Your actions before and for a good part of today suggest some personal bias for DeVoto: only when I added favorable rebuttable did you let information stand. Now you want secondary sources? (–when this material is already so simple, clear, and strong!) Why spend the time ''giving'' advice when you could ''take'' it yourself? You want secondary sources, too? Please, go out there, tiger, and get yourself (and the rest of us) some secondary sources! And use your time (and that of others) more constructively, to boot! :) --[[User:Aboudaqn|Aboudaqn]] ([[User talk:Aboudaqn|talk]]) 19:33, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
:::''For those playing along at home, we're talking about [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=863437516#Accusations_of_Communism this].''
: You've added random stuff said about DeVoto by McCarthy and others, taken from primary sources with nothing to explain its significance. Yes, I want secondary sources, because [[WP:PSTS|that's what Wikipedia wants]]. I thought you seemed to be going in that direction, but if I'm wrong and after a decent interval you haven't added any appropriate sources explaining what in the world this tells us about DeVoto (other than that McCarthy lashed out at him, and he said some things back{{snd}}what's the reader supposed to do with that?), then I'm afraid the material will have to go.
:As for my "personal bias for DeVoto"{{snd}}I mean, WTF? Yeah, sure, I'm part of the DeVoto Defender's Club. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:51, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
:No secondary sources being forthcoming, I've removed this material. Interested stalkers may want to take a look. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

== Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (2) ==

Re [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=864961625&oldid=864945624 this edit]: if a thread is closed, it stays closed unless there is something new or important to say about it. The reverted edit was neither, and the edit summary was incivil. Also, I didn't want {{userlinks|Paleofacts}} to run off to the media and say that there are rude idiots on Wikipedia. Please keep your pearls of wisdom polite and helpful.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 05:44, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
:I appreciate your intentions but your judgment as to what's helpful and so on does not control. If Paleofacts wants to "run off to the media" to highlight his own stupidity that might help others avoid repeating his mistakes. Feel free to comment on my post, but removing it is a no-no -- see [[WP:TPO]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:03, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
::[[WP:WRW|Wikipedia is in the real world]]. It is a no-no to do anything on Wikipedia that would give a person the opportunity to run off to the media and say that they had been treated badly. Paleofacts was blocked for making legal threats, the thread was closed and there was no need for the snarky comment on it.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 06:10, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Thank you for sharing your opinion. You may comment on, but not fuck with, others' posts. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:32, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
::::You have a track record of doubling down when challenged, and it has continued here. I did not fuck with the post, but have it your own way.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 06:59, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::If "doubling down" means I make it my habit to know what I'm talking about and don't suffer fools gladly, then yeah. Removing is fucking with. Dispense your platitudes elsewhere and don't do it again. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:05, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
[[File:It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World (1963) - Roadshow Trailer.webm|thumb|Welcome to EEng's world; a world that not only rotates on its axis, it teeters on the brink of [fill in the blank].{{right|<sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup>}}<br/><br/>"Everyone who's ever been funny is in it"{{snd}}indeed my aspiration for this page. {{right|[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]]
:Wait, are you trying to say there are rude idiots on Wikipedia? How did I not know about this?&nbsp;&#8209;&nbsp;[[User:Iridescent|Iridescent]] 14:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Because you hang out FA, where the rude ''smart'' people are. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:08, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
::I'm a busybody and Paleofacts is stupid. Welcome to EEng's world.--'''''[[User:ianmacm|<span style="background:#88b;color:#cff;font-variant:small-caps">♦Ian<span style="background:#99c">Ma<span style="background:#aad">c</span></span>M♦</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ianmacm|(talk to me)]]</sup>''''' 16:39, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Are you still here? You're not in my world, which is full of the pleasures of research and writing and interactions with the clever. Now one more time, and more forcefully: take your witless attempts at repartee elsewhere. You'll be welcome back when you can suspend your impulse to police others' interactions. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
::::So would you say your world is "a medley of extemporanea"? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 18:20, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::In truth more of a cacophony, but still it's music to me. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:28, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::Aw, you're just blowing your own horn. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:21, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

== A joke for you ==
[[File:KotoriCon people 2.jpg|thumb|right|Barkeep49 and EEng are two very serious people]]
Did you hear about the bad thesaurus? Not only is it awful it's also awful. <small>I'm not humorless or unamused I just didn't want that permanently on the discussion page.</small> Best, [[User:Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 01:41, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
:::''For those playing along at home, this regards the two image to the right of the table of contents here [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=865136200].''
:I appreciate your dropping by to explain, {{U|Barkeep49}}, but in all seriousness, why ''not'' have it permanently on the page? Why not let others enjoy the joke? And -- perhaps more importantly -- isn't it fair play to let new volunteers know what they're in for? I'm also puzzled as to why you removed the image but not the anagram.
:I'm pinging Mr. NPP himself, {{U|TonyBallioni}}, for his opinion. He's really smart. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
::Heh, better than [[Saint Jude]] as a patron, I suppose. I think it's funny, but I suspect you've had enough people remove your pictures from Wikipedia talk pages that you know it might take Saint Jude to get that picture back. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 02:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Who asked you anyway? Actually, they've just about always remained. (See links in my post below.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::I do like it. You have my +1 as a non-humor-impaired-mop-wielding-internet-random-person. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 20:13, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Because, in all seriousness, I don't think jokes should permanently be left on project discussion pages. Clearly I'm not the only one who feels this way given the second revert. If new volunteers can get the task ahead of them by reading the reviewers guide they're supposed to read before asking for the PERM, or don't understand it when they have the mop, well then maybe NPP isn't for them? Also for one brief shining moment this year getting the backlog to 0 was a realistic thing. It's a shame we didn't get and keep it there so I'm not even sure the reference is correct. Best, [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 02:40, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Well, in all seriousness, I think jokes ''should'' permanently be left on project discussion pages (well, semipermanently -- nothing goes on forever, other than my user page). And why not? Project pages are Wikipedia's brainstorming rooms. Why shouldn't there be something on the bulletin board to lighten the daily grind? Here're a few that have been in place for ages [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=863816456#MOS:ORDINAL][https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=864063798#Requesting_administrator's_help_(closed)][https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=865128282]; I've been told they make people smile even after many encounters. I'm sure there are others I can't bring to mind.
::::As for the second removal, well, the page has 125 active watchers so that leaves 123 editors who ''didn't'' remove it. Must everything be reduced to the tastes of the stuffiest member of the group? Articles are by design conservative: if in doubt, leave it out. But talk pages are the opposite: within ''extremely'' wide bounds all voices are welcome. I added the image to communicate, Hey, I know it seems a hopeless and endless task sometimes, but we're all in this together so let's keep rolling that rock up. That's as valid a comment as any -- seriously.
::::And you still haven't explained why you left the anagram. Tell you what... let's wait and see what happens with that. If no one removes it, then we'll take that as tentative evidence that our fellow editors are not as humor-averse as you think, and we'll put back the image and see what the other 123 editors think. Deal? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC) P.S. Thanks for the joke.
:::::If the image ''does'' go back, you need to delete the period at the end of the image caption. What amateurs! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:37, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::In my defense, the caption was originally a sentence. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:05, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

==Personal attack wanted==
[[File:M&Ms (8065581663).jpg|thumb|200px|Here are some ems without the ad homin. They come in handy when you have to take yourself to ANI - they melt in your mouth, not in your hands so you’ll have clean hands if ad hominems start to flow. <small><sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 03:25, 25 October 2018 (UTC)</small>]]
I'm looking for someone to make a personal attack at Talk:Homonym so I can open an ANI thread entitled "''Ad hominem'' at [[Homonym]]". See [[Talk:Homonym#Ad_hominem]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
: I did my best. [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 22:59, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
::[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=865503658&oldid=865503413], [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=865571370&oldid=865569093]: Absolutely priceless! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:24, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Those are old electrical engineering jokes. On what '''charge'''? The judge had him '''conducted''' to a '''dry cell'''. For reasons I vaguely recall some historian of science once elucidated, the terminology of EE is particularly prone to such stuff. It's been a while since I linked to this vaguely related disgusting talk [http://www.mit.edu/people/dmredish/wwwMLRF/links/Humor/Polynomial_Sex]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:42, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
::::''Rolls eyes'': They misspelled "field". ''Directs a Harvardesque sniff in the direction of MIT''. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:54, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::<small>And ''that'' was an impersonal attack. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:56, 24 October 2018 (UTC)</small>
::::::It's a term in algebraic topology, the inverse dual of a field. Pronounced ''fah-eeld''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:06, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::''Embarrassed, tries to change the subject'': Bah, humbug! I challenge you to an inverse duel. ''(Wonders: is that where each combatant points the gun at himself?)'' --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:35, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Don't worry, I just made it up. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:49, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::{{facepalm}} You fucker! Oh, and by the way, you also pronounce "EEng" incorrectly. (Personal attack {{done}}.) --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:57, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Obviously you didn't take [[Math 55]]. But it was a risky move on my part. As pointed out in ''The Harvard Lampoon Big Book of College Life'' forty years ago, if you want to fake intellectuality and get away with it, the best subdiscipline to operate in is French philosophy. You can make up quotes and attribute them to some invented French name with complete impunity e.g. "The true depth of spiritual revelation is known better to the meanest peasant than to the most exalted royal.{{snd}}Bertrand Doisneau". ''No one will contradict you, trust me.'' Try it yourself. LaFromboise. Bouthillier. Demaret. It's easy. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:21, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::::"It is the defining quality of a crappy encyclopedia that there is a page about Math 55 that has twice survived AfD." --[[User:Tryptofish|Poissoneau]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

== Unexpected caption ==

[[File:Cross section jellyfish en.svg|thumb|center|Mouthanus. <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Eman235#top|<span style="color:green;">E'''man'''</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<span style="color:#6643d1;">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<span style="color:brown;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 03:06, 24 October 2018 (UTC)]]

:Personally I would have chosen the word ''startling''. Here's the worse part: it's a "featured picture". Thanks for sharing... um... I guess. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:50, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
::I looked at the file page at Commons to see the list of en-wiki pages where it's used, and it's truly impressive how much this one shows up in user space. Confirms my suspicions about so many editors talking out of their asses. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

== A picture’s worth.... ==

<center>[[File:Screen capture EEng.JPG|border|800px]]</center>
*Nothing left to say. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 15:53, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
::Damn, {{u|Atsme}}, did you ''really'' have to leave a thousand word message on a page that's already this long? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 16:25, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
:::{{re|MPants at work}} If a picture is worth a thousand words, then EEng must be a man of as many words as Wikipedia itself. <span style="text-shadow:#069 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#090"><sup>Semi</sup></b>]][[User talk:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#099"><sub>Hypercube</sub></b>]] [[Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube|✎]]</span> 20:04, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Well, that makes sense because [https://amatopia.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/img_5150.jpg words are wind] and [[User:MjolnirPants/joke|EEng is certainly full of hot air]]... <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 20:08, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::They misquoted Shakespeare (Much Ado 5:2)! That's almost as bad as...as...as contributing to the great wall of talk pages here. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:34, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::Ah, right. And I thought EEng was just [[Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow|full of sound and fury]]. How come I can never get to the [[Bottom (TV series)|bottom]] of this page?? [[Nick Bottom|Noises Off 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:51, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
:To clarify - the focus of the screenshot is {{xt|User talk:EEng#Had a ball}} - it has nothing to do with size - size doesn’t matter. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:55, 25 October 2018 (UTC) <sup>...of the PAGE - size of the page doesn’t matter. 23:36, 25 October 2018 (UTC)</sup>
::Why do women keep telling me that?! <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 03:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

== Extinguishing fires with dynamite ==
<div style="position:relative;float:right;text-align:center;background-color:#f8f8ff;border:1px solid #000088;padding:12px;">Are you going to ANI?<br />Prophet, sage, Rosemary and Ham<br />Open a thread, about you and I<br />Bias the discussion as much as you can<br />Have them all call for an indef block<br />Prophet, sage, Rosemary and Ham<br />With TPA revoked and a global lock<br />Then you will win the ANI game.</div>
Hah! I had previously said "All things being equal, if my saltiness at my talk page encourages other editors not post edits like those I was responding to, then mission accomplished."

Which fits your metaphor perfectly. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 19:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
:There's something sad about the fact that I'm considered a prophet and sage around here. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:46, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
::Yes, what's sad is that nobody considers you that. Except yourself. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:59, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
:::I agree: that's sad. From now on, I shall consider you a prophet and sage.
:::As well as a ham. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 20:05, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
::::[[Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme|Prophet, Sage, Rosemary and Ham]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:08, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

== Uh-oh! ==

Seems like you are in big trouble now! (not) Apparently, it has been scientifically proven that you are homophobic: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Civility&diff=prev&oldid=866182693]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:42, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
:I've known this for some time. I mean, Eeng's always had a masochistic streak. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em; class=texhtml">[[User:MjolnirPants|<font color="green">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</font>]] [[User_talk:MjolnirPants|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 23:02, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
::I just looked back there. Group hug, anyone? Platonicly, of course. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:18, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
:::Guess you graduated before they instituted the spelling test. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:24, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
::::Uh-oh again! (Or are you pulling that French philosopher trick on me again?) Maybe it's because I graduated after they dropped the Latin requirement. (Yes, I know Plato was Greek. I knew him personally.) Or should it have been Platonically? They all fail my spell checker. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:30, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::You shouldn't rely on your spellchecker to help you spell correctally. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 21:35, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::In that case, the hug is off (and I'm sitting down). Oh, and fuck you, of course. Platonicish, perhaps? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:08, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
:::::::The approved form is "fuck off". "Fuck you" is a whole 'nother kettle of fuck. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:10, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::Is "kettle of fuck" similar to hot-pot? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:13, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
::::::::I shouldn't trust Wiktionary, either, but they say it's Platonically. Then again, they also recognize Platonick. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:17, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
::I should add that EEng has now been reclassified as a "good egg". Perhaps someday, someone will explain the difference between an egg and an eng. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:20, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

== Baseball ==

[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Carlos_Gonz%C3%A1lez_%28baseball%29&type=revision&diff=866185942&oldid=866185435 Did it]. [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#294;">Girth</span><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#42c;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 20:46, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

== 👻☠️🎃 ==

{|style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 3px solid #fceb92;"
|rowspan="2" style="align: top; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Halloween-house.jpg|thumb|220px|left|<center><big>Trick or Treat!!!</big></center> ]]<br/>
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 6px 6px 0 6px; height: 1.5em;" |<center>'''Happy Halloween!'''</center>
|-
|Why are demons and ghouls always together?
*Because demons are a ghoul's best friend.<br/>
What happens when you goose a ghost?
*You get a hand full of sheet.<br/>
<sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 00:41, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
|}

== Bloody hell! You're the best! ==

My next RfC would target the term "bloody hell" :D But seriously man, this message is to commend you for your absolutely rollicking, sarcastic and brilliant comments on the RfC. And I know why you supported the listing of the RfC at CENT :D You just love to have the popcorn ready when a good drama is taking place. Have fun man, [[User talk:Lourdes|<span style="color: black; background: white">Lourdes</span>]] 00:47, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
:Thank you, and I'd tell you to fuck off{{fbdb}} but that's been overused lately. Seriously (!), often those comments are best which require the hearer/reader to pause to figure out what exactly is meant (if, indeed, any one thing exactly is what's meant). Since humor trades in contradiction and incongruity, it's a good vehicle for that, plus it's fun. Like it says on my user page:
{{Quote box
|quote = One should beware of those who cannot or will not laugh when others are merry, for if not mentally defective they are spiteful, selfish or abnormally conceited&nbsp;... Great men of all nations and of all times have possessed a keen appreciation of the ridiculous, as wisdom and wit are closely allied.
|source = {{mdash}} [https://books.google.com/books?id=9R4SAAAAYAAJ Leander Hamilton McCormick, ''Characterology; an exact science embracing physiognomy, phrenology and pathognomy, reconstructed, amplified and amalgamated{{nbsp}}...'' (1920)]|salign=right
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:We may note in passing that Donald Trump has absolutely no sense of humor whatever. That doesn't stop him from being a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-LTRwZb35A stable genius], of course. (I've been pushing that one lately.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:17, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
:Oh, and while we're on the subject of civility{{nbsp}}...
[[File:PSX_20181027_164107.jpg|thumb|center|upright=2.7|[https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/29/he-is-not-welcome-here-thousands-support-pittsburgh-jewish-leaders-calling-trump-denounce-white-nationalism/ Fuck off, Donald Trump.]{{right|-[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]]

*+1 about President Big Chief Little Mushroom, not sure about you being the best. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:43, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
*: "[[Bloody Well Right]]", Your Honourable Esteemed Fishiness. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:09, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
*::That's '''Dr.''' Your Honourable Esteemed Fishiness. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:25, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
*:::Ah yes, [[Red garra|Doctor Fish]]..... also called the "Nibble Fish", it seems! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:30, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
*::::Feet, yes. Mushroom, no. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:32, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

== TOC for your TOC ==

[[File:BahnhofsuhrZuerich RZ.jpg|thumb|upright=0.75|TOC]]
{{stack|[[File:Amblyomma americanum tick.jpg|thumb|upright=0.80|Tick]]}}
Given that the length of your TOC is reaching the length of my talk page, would you consider making a TOC for your TOC? Thank you in advance for your kind consideration :) [[User talk:Lourdes|<span style="color: black; background: white">Lourdes</span>]] 09:43, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
:It's probably only a matter of [[Time bomb|time]].... [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:10, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

{{clear}}

== Regnal numbers ==

Shouldn't that be, "[[Regnal number]]s are normally written with [[Roman numeral]]s (without suffix, e.g. {{xt|Elizabeth II}} not {{!xt|Elizabeth IInd}} or {{!xt|Elizabeth '''2d'''}})"? [[User:Kendall-K1|Kendall-K1]] ([[User talk:Kendall-K1|talk]]) 02:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
:Watch it. I have friends in low places. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:56, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

== NPP and your userpage ==

Do you think you could add the two images (with captions, as per usual) that you had [[Special:Diff/865132943|here]] to your userpage? <span style="text-shadow:#069 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#090"><sup>Semi</sup></b>]][[User talk:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#099"><sub>Hypercube</sub></b>]] [[Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube|✎]]</span> 12:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
:My pleaseure [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=866964566] but I was thinking of re-adding it to [[WT:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers]], just to see if the small group of naysayers have realized that those with the narrowest sensibilities aren't the arbiters of what's acceptable. What do you think? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:51, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
::I think it looks OK, and I accept your "pleaseure". (is that French or something?) You could possibly re-add those to the NPP/R talkpage, since you also put humorous anagrams on [[Wikipedia talk:Administrators' noticeboard]] and people haven't taken those down. <span style="text-shadow:#069 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#090"><sup>Semi</sup></b>]][[User talk:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#099"><sub>Hypercube</sub></b>]] [[Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube|✎]]</span> 20:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
::::Yes, but you have to remember that with the folks at NPP, their middle name is "Take it down!" I will say that when it comes to Wikipedia anagrams, my masterpiece is ''Arbitration Committee'' = ''Motto: Recriminate A Bit''. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:59, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
:::{{tps}} {{u|SemiHypercube}}, huh, plebeian, 'pleaseure' is Harvard for 'pleasure'. Regards, [[User:SshibumXZ|SshibumXZ]] ([[User talk:SshibumXZ|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contribs/SshibumXZ|contribs]]). 20:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
::::Goddam useless spelchecker. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:59, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
:::::😂 <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 14:09, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

== Blocked editors ==

Go to [[Special:Preferences]] and click on the "Gadgets" tab. Then scroll down to "Appearance". Near the end of that section there should be a box to check off that says "Strike out usernames that have been blocked". Makes it very easy to see who is blocked. Both that option and the one above it should not be optional and should be on by default. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]], [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Uqaqtuq (talk)]], [[Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather|Sunasuttuq]] 15:55, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{U|CambridgeBayWeather}}, thank you for taking the time to drop by. As it is I knew about that feature and have it activated already. (If it's the default, that's a change from years ago, I guess.) I assume you're bringing it up because of my mention at ANI that admins should be more explicit in reciting who's been blocked. But the strikeout feature doesn't really solve the problem because (a) you still have to nose about looking for the signature of various people who might have been blocked and (b) the block might have expired by the time you're looking at the thread. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:00, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
::Yes I saw your comment. I agree with you that it's very frustrating when someone says that an editor is blocked but not which one. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]], [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Uqaqtuq (talk)]], [[Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather|Sunasuttuq]] 18:45, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

== FWIW ==

I appreciate your attempts to inject your attempts to inject humour into that discussion, and I know it doesn't look good for me to ''only'' be posting to ANI and a policy talk page that at this point might as well be ANI. But I really am just that busy IRL at the moment (specifically until 11/21) that creating articles is out of the question, while signing into Wikipedia to see and respond to the latest drahms is ... well, it doesn't take as much time as writing articles. :P [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 07:07, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

== Old news ==

Regarding [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style&oldid=prev&diff=855121061&diffmode=source this], I'm inclined to just let it lie unless/until it comes up again later. The idea had some merits, but I think it got both mired and entrenched. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 09:08, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

== An admin closed our [[Wikipedia talk:Civility|venting]] page ==
::Curator's note: This regards the recent incident of some editors ''[https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=867974058#Request_for_comment_on_the_specific_term_%22fuck_off%22_%E2%80%93_sanctionable_or_not! fucking off]:''
[[File:Fucking, Austria, street sign cropped.jpg|thumb|220px|Instructions: prepend this image when using "-troll" or "-idiot". <br/><small><small>Batteries not included. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 18:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)</small></small>]]
...so I had no choice but to come here. Never imagined [[Fucking Austria]] would be the remedy to one of our civility issues. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 18:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
:And it's pronounced [[File:Fucking, Austria.wav]] <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 01:55, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
===Question===
See [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Atsme&diff=867756017&oldid=867560727&diffmode=source this] - the punch line was intended to be ''homonyminous-like'' for “civility” but I don’t think it’s close enough. Any ideas? <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 14:49, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
[[File:Sour orange (8449598322).jpg|thumb|"Civil as an orange"]]
:{{u|David Eppstein}} 😊, but orange you glad there are no Seville grapes? I guess we could simply say something more civil, like "Are you ([[Fucking, Austria|town in Austria]]) out of your mind? (then we wouldn't be restricted only to user TPs...maybe...and then it wouldn't be uncivil...depending on which admins weigh-in when you get hauled over to AN/I kicking and screaming Austria, Austria!!). Which reminds me, the other day I read the following comment: ''“what rhymes with orange”''. I replied, ''"no it doesn't."'' <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 16:38, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

===A related question===
I wonder if we should open a related RfC on the question of the appropriateness of [[User:AGK|an Arbcom candidate]] using the phrase ''functus officio'' in public [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=868332510]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:05, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:I have a related wonder about yet another [[User:Isarra|Arbcom candidate]] who is a designer tech and Uncyclopedia admin using what some stuffy editors may consider [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Contributions/Isarra uncivil] edit summaries like: ([Hissing noises]), (weird padding stuff hell if I know), ((harej thought putting this here would be a good idea. Look at him. Look at him and laugh.), (I have no idea yay!), (I'm way too tired to be funny, so all you get are serious answers... I'm sorry.), and (TESTY TESTY THINGY). I was going to suggest that she use {{fbdb}} until I read (→‎Question from Carcharoth: I hate enwp's horrible template structures. Also answers. And hatred of this template. And answers.). I’m seriously thinking of voting for her, technically speaking. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 05:42, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

== MedCom has been closed ==

[[File:Incendie Alexandrie by Hermann Goll 1876.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.2|right|ArbCom, 2018]]
[[File:Abandoned service station on Route 66 in Conway TX July 2015.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|right|MedCom, 2018]]
Just a reminder to any talkpage stalkers that [[WP:MEDCOM|the Mediation Committee]] (that's [[WP:ARBCOM|ArbCom's]] obscure sister committee) has been disbanded. (You probably already know this. I needed some place to put an allegory for it.) <span style="text-shadow:#069 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#090"><sup>Semi</sup></b>]][[User talk:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#099"><sub>Hypercube</sub></b>]] [[Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube|✎]]</span> 23:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
:I didn't even know there we had a Mediation Committee. Seriously. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:00, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
::To be fair, it kind of didn't exist for years, we just formally closed it now. There were around 44 cases filed to MedCom in the past year, and [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rejected cases|''absolutely none'' of them were accepted.]] There were only [[Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Archive 28|8 accepted requests]] from 2015–now, 3 of which were closed as successful, and 1 (the last) as "partly successful".

::Makes you wonder what Wikipedia would be like if ''Arb''Com was like this . . . <span style="text-shadow:#069 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#090"><sup>Semi</sup></b>]][[User talk:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#099"><sub>Hypercube</sub></b>]] [[Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube|✎]]</span> 00:34, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
:::Arbcom is like this. If you look at past cases and then the current state of the wiki - and run it against the usual criteria for success in arbitration/dispute resolution, what you come up with is that Arbcom rarely solves disputes, rarely fixes behavioural problems, it just papers over them temporarily until the users are unblocked, commence socking, or someone else picks up the baton. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 00:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

== A possible candidate for the Museums ==

Museum of False Cognates

From [[Proselytism#Islam|Proselytism]]:
[[File:Lies-IMG 7967.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7|Proselytism in [[Switzerland]]]]
(No text is needed. The image says it all. It's not what it looks like it's implying at first glance, since it's German, not English) <span style="text-shadow:#069 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#090"><sup>Semi</sup></b>]][[User talk:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#099"><sub>Hypercube</sub></b>]] [[Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube|✎]]</span> 16:42, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
:The Curator is pleased to inform you that your contribution has been duly added [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=869173397]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:01, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
::Apologies. Misread your new exhibit as '''[[Winfield (cigarette)#Fake cigarettes containing more tobacco|Museum of False Cigarettes]]'''. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:20, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

== Blindingly fucking ==

Someone at ANI just took a quote of "fucking" being used for emphasis ("blindingly fucking obvious"), but removed the following adjective so it sounds like people copulating in a manner so hideous (or so amazing) that onlookers are struck blind. It's begging for your attention. [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 09:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
:Great to see you two editors working [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49aINW3jg4Q side by side] here. (.... mercifully only 1:18). [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 09:48, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

== joke that bounced above the head ==

{{tq|accuse you of illiteracy – I always carry a copy of my parents' marriage certificate in case anyone tries that on me}}

erm, how would a marriage certificate help to prove that. are there cultural clues that I missed ? --''<span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .3em LightSkyBlue;">[[User:DBigXray|D<span style="color:#DA500B">Big</span>]][[User talk:DBigXray|X<span style="color:#10AD00">ray</span>ᗙ]]</span>'' 14:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
::Dear {{U|DBigXray}}, you old [[wikt:bastard#Noun|bastard]]:{{fbdb}} ''illiterate'', ''illegitimate''. [https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/31900.html An ill-favoured joke sir, but mine own]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:01, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
:{{tps}} Did you not know that EEng is (very charitably) known as "the Pantomime Dame [[Malapropism|Mrs Malaprop]] of Wikipedia"? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
::Well, [https://imgur.com/gallery/kdE8vR5] {{=)}}--''<span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .3em LightSkyBlue;">[[User:DBigXray|D<span style="color:#DA500B">Big</span>]][[User talk:DBigXray|X<span style="color:#10AD00">ray</span>ᗙ]]</span>'' 19:14, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
:::Don't worry [[Big X]]. EEng is just joking.... you're not old. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:22, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

=== You know... ===

Your parents marriage certificate wouldn't actually prove your legitimacy. As for literacy level, true story, one of my wife's extended (male) cousins got accidentally married to the groom at the wedding he was witnessing, due to the registrar writing the names in the wrong place on the certificate. 10 years before same sex marriage was legalised..... [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 21:13, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
:Well since you're being such a stickler I'll point out that something written on a certificate doesn't create the fact it purports to reflect. But still it's an amusing story. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:42, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

== Stalkers may wish to keep abreast of this discussion ==
[[File:Chicken Breast in Shallot and White Wine Sauce (3812381131).jpg|thumb|200px|I have been keeping abreast, in fact, I kept 4 of them. <small><sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:40, 26 November 2018 (UTC)</small>]]
[https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=870333356#Titular_characters] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:48, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
{{clear}}

== Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion ==
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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring]] regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit warring]]. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:EEng reported by User:Ivanvector (Result: )]]. <!--Template:An3-notice--> Thank you. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 14:51, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

=== November 2018 ===
<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px">[[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]]<div style="margin-left:45px">You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''1 week''' for [[WP:Edit warring|edit warring]], as you did at [[:Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive996]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. </div><div style="margin-left:45px">During a dispute, you should first try to [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|discuss controversial changes]] and seek [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]]. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]], and in some cases it may be appropriate to request [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]].</div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here &#126;&#126;&#126;&#126;''}}. &nbsp;[[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 15:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)</div></div><!-- Template:uw-ewblock -->

*If you'll just commit to making no more reverts over this dispute, I'll unblock you right now, as I said on ANEW. Just drop it and move on, and go about doing whatever else productive you desire. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 16:02, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
*I admit, when I first saw your talk page crossed out on my watchlist (I use the "strike out names of blocked users" option mentioned in [[User talk:EEng#Blocked editors|an earlier thread]]) I was confused. Looking at this issue, however, I think there's no need to edit war over one thumbnail compared to the countless others you've done. Until you appeal or your block expires, however, it's going to feel so different. <span style="text-shadow:#069 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#090"><sup>Semi</sup></b>]][[User talk:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#099"><sub>Hypercube</sub></b>]] [[Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube|✎]]</span> 18:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)


For those playing along at home, the image at issue is this one{{nbsp}}...
[[File:Bible_Camp.JPG|thumb|center|upright=1.1|Visual metaphor for the above discussion {{right|-[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]]}}]]
... appended to an ANI thread that had been an absurd waste of time (including{{snd}}and I am not making this up{{snd}}a side debate on whether someone saying ''Jesus F. Christ'' might prompt Pakistan to block Wikipedia) with the hope that the participants{{snd}}who had been continuing an almost identical dispute elsewhere{{snd}}would think twice next time.

*TParis removed the image, calling it "not helpful and not needed") [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870726899].
*I objected and restored it [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870743524]
*TParis again removed my post, now calling it "an attack" [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870787911].
*Soon after, an innocent third party routinely archived the thread. I went to the archived thread and again restored my post [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870857188].
That should have been the end of it, but ...
*TParis ''again'' removed my post as a "personal attack", intoning impressively "this is an admin action on an admin noticeboard", as if that means something [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870867123].
*Then came a few more rounds in which the normally sensible {{U|Ivanvector}} reverted what he mistakenly thought were "images added to archive" [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870906989] and the often-sensible Johnuniq warned me "do not edit archives" [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870936296] and that I was "bullying" [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870936296].

{{U|Courcelles}}'s block rationale [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=871041226] is
:{{tq|TParis only seems to have made three reverts ... no block will be forthcoming from me as they stopped behind the "bright line". EEng did not.}}
Well no, actually. I made two reverts at ANI, three at ANI/Archive996 (yesterday), and one today. So no crossing of the bright line, if that's what matters.

TParis' removal of my post was a clear violation of [[WP:TPO]], which provides "Cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed, but normally you should stop if there is any objection". I was simply restoring what had been improperly removed. I explained what I was doing repeatedly, with links to governing guidelines, in my edit summaries. I also explained in a discussion ''TParis himself opened'' [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=870937115#ANI_Nonsense], with no response from him or anyone else.
As {{U|Legacypac}} succinctly put it [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=871048441], {{tq|He restored his own comment - against inappropriate removal. Hardly an edit war. Bad block.}}

{{U|SemiHypercube}}, I agree that "there's no need to edit war over one thumbnail". But that's not what this is about. As I said elsewhere
*''Is the presence of this image worth fighting over?''{{snd}}No.
*''Is the principle{{snd}}that clueless admins who don't seem to know their place as admins, and don't seem up on basic guidelines like [[WP:TPO]], ought to be held to account and schooled if necessary{{snd}}worth fighting over?''{{snd}}Yes, because admins like that do a lot of damage.

So sure, Courcelles, unblock me. But if someone again removes my post (which I somehow think is unlikely{{snd}}funny, that) I hope you'll actually ''read'' the links above and participate, with a fresh mind, in the ensuing discussion. And I'd appreciate your unblock comment including a permalink to this thread.

[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:21, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

*"''Is the presence of this image worth fighting over?''{{snd}}No." Indeed not. And it takes two to fight over it. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:26, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
*:The two points are disjunctive, fish-for-brains.{{fbdb}} [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
*::Am I supposed to be impressed by your vocabulary? It takes some kind of "something" for brains to consider a joke to be worth edit warring over. Suggestion: give yourself a voluntary [[WP:1RR]] at [[WP:ANI]]. All the admirers of your comedy style will surely be happy to restore images on your behalf. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:45, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
*:::{{U|Tryptofish}}, I'm surprised you're not getting this. It's nor about any particular bit of content. It's about the small number of admins who think everyone else has to join them in the loneliness of whatever cramped and dwarfed intellectual box they happen to inhabit, and push others around to enforce that idea. Funny how fast he fell silent once he knew what a fool he'd made of himself{{snd}}didn't say or do a thing once the ANEW post was opened. The interesting question whether whether he's learned anything, though from experience with this particular specimen the answer is likely to be ''no''. On the plus side he seems to have found real-life people over whom he can exercise his authoritarian impulses, and doesn't bother productive editors at Wikipedia very much anymore. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 12:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
*::::In the spirit of what you would call "klar", please let me try to explain what I am getting at. I'm not defending him. I'm not saying he was right. I'm not addressing anything here to him. I've long been clear about the importance of admins not overreaching or being bossy. But him edit warring does not justify you edit warring. You weren't disputing about some important free speech principle. You were disputing about a joke. If someone else had restored your image and caption, that would have spoken more loudly about how the community feels than if you had done it all alone. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 17:42, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

*{{ping|Courcelles}}: This block should simply be removed as, at this point, punitive not preventative. No one has re-re-re-re-reverted (or whatever) the page to the pre-EEng state, so there is nothing for EEng to go back to editwarring over, even assuming EEng had brain damage and didn't realize that doing that would be disruptive and just result in a longer block. {{em|And}} EEng shows no signs of reverting warring about anything else or doing anything else disruptive. Ergo, whether the block was initially valid or not (I see someone[s] above suggesting otherwise on one basis or another, which I haven't looked into), it presently serves no purpose. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 20:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
*:The real "test" I suppose would be exactly that. [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''''SerialNumber'''''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">'''''54129'''''</span>]] 20:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
*::What will be the read test of what, {{U|Serial Number 54129}}? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

*<small>I hope that image isn't a depiction of ''when the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie...'' because I'm not seeing any [[That's Amore|amore]]. Ok, so cry "uncle" and be done with it. Spring break doesn't roll around until March. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 21:35, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
*:"Bells will ring ting-a-ling-a-ling, ting-a-ling-a-ling
*:When you sing "Please unblock me"
*:Hearts will play tippy-tippy-tay, tippy-tippy-tay
*:Like a gay Yankee Cockney." [[User:Martinevans123|Deano Martin 123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:53, 28 November 2018 (UTC) </small>

*If you say you didn't ''really'' make more than 3 reverts at ANI (only the first two were on the page, the next were on an archive) are you saying you won't continue reverting if you are unblocked, since you tried staying within the 3 revert limit? Especially since you asked [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] to unblock you? <span style="text-shadow:#069 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#090"><sup>Semi</sup></b>]][[User talk:SemiHypercube|<b style="color:#099"><sub>Hypercube</sub></b>]] [[Special:Contributions/SemiHypercube|✎]]</span> 22:25, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
*:I don't ''say'' I didn't make more than 3 reverts at ANI{{snd}}I actually, in fact, didn't make more than 3 reverts at ANI.
*:If any of this bunch remove my post again, I'll do what I guess I was supposed to do in the first place, which is to open an ANI thread re a clueless admin who thinks he's entitled to remove others' discussion posts on personal whim, with shifting made-up justifications (as if there's anything to discuss about that) and, as time permits, a minor side topic on people who pile onto a tag-team revert war without first finding out what the fuck they're reverting. I don't think such a discussion will be necessary, however, as the removers have all apparently realized the error of their ways and wandered off; or, if one of them does try it again, perhaps he'll be blocked for failing to discuss and editwarring instead, and that will be that. (I expect this kind of behavior from the likes of {{U|TParis}} and {{U|Johnuniq}}, but {{U|Ivanvector}}, I'm disappointed in you: you should have taken the time to figure out what was going on before throwing your weight in with those in the wrong.)
*:[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
*::Yes, ANI would have been the correct venue, rather than revert warring. But as you've said you won't revert if the content is removed again, you are hereby unblocked. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] ([[User talk:Courcelles|talk]]) 00:57, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
[[File:Agronomitalo_15.JPG|thumb|upright=0.8|An admin upholds one of the five pillars without throwing his weight around.]]
::::But then, better than any venue would have been for a particularly clueless admin to have kept his nannying impulses to his busybody self in the first place. [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870867123 "This is an admin action on an admin noticeboard"] is about the stupidest piece of admin bravado bullshit I've heard in a long time{{snd}}and I've heard some whoppers. As predicted he's seemingly forgotten about removing my "personal attack" and just wandered off. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:18, 29 November 2018 (UTC) P.S. At right is my favorite image for this kind of clusterfuck. Perhaps someone will try to remove it.

===TParis explains himself===
*Before I move this thread to the Museum of the 3%, I call on {{U|TParis}} to explain his conduct under [[WP:ADMINACCT]] ("Administrators are expected to respond promptly and civilly to queries about their Wikipedia-related conduct and administrative actions and to justify them when needed"), given that he called what he did "an admin action on an admin noticeboard" [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870867123]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:08, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
:::''The following response was copied from [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TParis&oldid=871374032#Re:_User:EEng's_request TParis' talk page]:''
::::Per your request, I am outlining my rationale for removing your comments. Despite your selective reading of [[WP:TPG]], the guidelines permit the removal of personal attacks and trolling at [[Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#EDIT]]. Your image is an attack at both editors in the dispute that calls them both foolish; which they may be, but it's still a personal attack. As you've used [[WP:ADMINACCT]] to compel my response to your question, I assume it means you agree I acted solely in an admin capacity and I maintain my [[WP:UNINVOLVED]] status with regards to you. If you have any other questions, feel free bring them to a noticeboard.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 16:44, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
::::Undoubtedly, I expect my talk page to get blown up by the [[Wikipedia:Cabals|fan club]]. My lunch break is over, so ya'all will have to accept my timely responses later.--v/r - [[User:TParis|T]][[User_talk:TParis|P]] 16:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
:::I have to go out now myself, so I'll just let everyone admire the above for the time being. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:38, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
::::I'd just like to clarify that I refuse point blank to blow TParis, whether up, down or in any other direction. Even if he provides the [[Fan service|fans]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:52, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
{{od|:::}}I'm tempted to speculate that you know how ridiculous your claim is but simply have no shame, but on balance I think you honestly don't know how foolish you are.
*The image I posted{{snd}}a pie fight captioned "Visual metaphor for the above discussion"{{snd}}communicates nothing different than if I'd said, "The above discussion was like pie fight." I know you're unable to comprehend this, but that was a humorous post with a perfectly serious goal: getting the participants to think twice next time. If you think that's a personal attack your judgment is seriously, seriously flawed.
*Your original rationale for removal was "Not remotely helpful and most definitely not needed" [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870726899] Only when challenged did you switch to "personal attack". Apparently you just make stuff up as you go along.
*From the time I made my post to the time you first removed it, 15 hours passed during which 86 edits were made to the page [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870726899&oldid=870633433], including by admins Bbb23, Courcelles, KrakatoaKatie, Ivanvector, Zzuuzz, Boing!, 78.26, Jayron32, and Fish and karate. None of them saw a problem, apparently, but you! You know better! And of course the bounds of acceptability are determined by the one observer, out of dozens, with the most dwarfed faculties of comprehension and the narrowest sensibilities. Just kidding -- as mentioned before [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870743524] we aren't bound by your blinkered, impoverished view of what constitutes useful commentary.

Your explanation is ridiculous, as expected. If you don't want to end up like MikeV, Coffee, Fred Bauder, and other bygone self-appointed enforcers of their personal tastes, I suggest you find somewhere off-wiki where you can release your pent-up busybody impulses without bothering the rest of us.

And no, I do not agree you are UNINVOLVED with regard to me, because in removing my post you were not acting in your capacity as a [[WP:ADMIN]], but rather in your capacity as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaKjRMMU9HI WP:IMACOPANDYOUWILLRESPECTMAHAUTHORITAY]. Admins have no special standing to evaluate others' posts; you merely wrapped yourself in your magic administrative [https://peanuts.fandom.com/wiki/Linus%27_security_blanket security blanket] in an effort to intimidate [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=870867123].

Have a care, [[wikt:power trip|big man]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Followup: Hey, {{U|TParis}}, will you be removing the image added by {{U|The Blade of the Northern Lights}} here [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=871756668], calling it trolling and a personal attack? Just wondering. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 07:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
:{{facepalm}} Oh jeez, EEng is still worked up over this shit again? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 15:40, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
[[File:Blush-Rouge-_2013-08-29_12-13.jpg|thumb|upright=0.65|Admin's [[WP:ROUGE|rouge]]]]
:::Not worked up in the slightest, but when one of this particular species of admin persists in begging to be made a fool of, who am I to disappoint? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

==I know==
...that you are referring to me with [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=871146583&oldid=871145766&diffmode=source this edit.] So thank you. Best Regards, [[User:Barbara (WVS)|<span style="border:1px solid black;color:black; padding:1px;background:#CEE6F2"><small>'' Barbara ''</small></span>]][[User talk:Barbara (WVS)|<small>✐</small>]][[Special:Emailuser/Barbara (WVS)|<small>✉</small>]] 13:43, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
::😂 <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 13:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
:And of course [[User:The Lady Catherine de Burgh|The Lady Catherine de Burgh, Duchess of Scrotum]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:11, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

== [[Weber test]] ==

Drawn from life, I think. [[User:Xanthomelanoussprog|Xanthomelanoussprog]] ([[User talk:Xanthomelanoussprog|talk]]) 21:34, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
:Oh my giddy aunt. "The test subject feels no pain." (?!) Is that really poor [[Ralph Wiggum|Ralph]]? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

== Fashionable phrases ==

I spent the last ''thirty-minutes'' scrolling to get down here (only to scroll back to the top to click on "new section"). I just want to say that the phrase you fashioned is a fitting motto for AN/I. A shame that too few seem to heed it. I felt that notifying you of this fact was non-urgent, hence my lateness in stopping by. Though now that it's done, it's irretractable. :) [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]] ([[User talk:Mr rnddude|talk]]) 10:33, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
[[File:AN Morons bad ANI edict.gif|thumb|left|Unofficial anagram of ANI]]
[[File:AN_I_a_bad_cad_or_tormentor_insist.gif|thumb|right|1st runner-up]]
Mr. Nude Dude is referring to what you see at left and right.
{{clear}}

== Interesting Museum exhibit ==

Re: the newly-added [[User:EEng#Museum of Behind Closed Doors]], I can't quite get over the fact that there really was someone's mistress who was named Fanny Pistor. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:26, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, for a single sentence it packs a lot of punch. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:30, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
::The amount of punch that is packed started making me a little suspicious. I realize that this is the person that masochism is named after, but I also see that it is marked as citation needed. Could it be a superior case of creative vandalism? Looking into the page history, the content was added by {{noping|Mightyfastpig}} in 2007, sourced to what is now a dead link: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Leopold_von_Sacher-Masoch&type=revision&diff=134965843&oldid=134965125]. In 2009, the source was tagged as "unreliable source?": [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Leopold_von_Sacher-Masoch&diff=next&oldid=318219867]. In 2014, the source was removed entirely: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Leopold_von_Sacher-Masoch&type=revision&diff=630107728&oldid=630102463], and about a month later it was tagged as citation needed: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Leopold_von_Sacher-Masoch&type=revision&diff=634104420&oldid=634100936]. And in 2013, an editor expressed skepticism on the talk page about whether there really ''was'' such a baroness, but never got a reply: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALeopold_von_Sacher-Masoch&type=revision&diff=556993059&oldid=554520913]. Does this look to you like something that might be worth raising an issue about, or should I just figure that it's expected for the page subject? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:53, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
:::[https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=872869744] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:21, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
::::My, what a sheltered life I've been living! --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:44, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

== Museum of Duty and Remembrance ==

[[File:Ridge Wood Military Cemetery.jpg|thumb|Ridge Wood Military Cemetery|alt=Cemetery with irregularly placed gravestones and the Cross of Sacrifice in the background, framed by two trees]]
Hello EEng. Thank you for the [[User:EEng#Museum of Duty and Remembrance]]. We should indeed never forget, and I read [[Lionel de Jersey Harvard]] as suggested. Very interesting. The last war cemetery I visited was [[Ridge Wood Military Cemetery]], interesting because it was started near the front line during the fighting (hence the irregular layout of the gravestones). That is fairly close to where my grandfather served during the first world war. --[[User:Mirokado|Mirokado]] ([[User talk:Mirokado|talk]]) 21:44, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
:I thank you for your note. My grandfather served in that war as well, in a sense: by the time his ship arrived on the other side, the armistice had been declared. But he got his citizenship anyway!
:I find the story of Lionel Harvard very affecting, like a short, tragic fairy tale that begins when the hardworking pauper is discovered to be the lost heir to the throne. I've now seen a great deal of unpublished correspondence to, from, and about him, and he quite clearly had an unusual effect on those he met{{snd}}a very gentle soul, apparently. As a friend of his wrote, {{nobr|"[He]}} seemed a living symbol of all that was best and brightest in Harvard itself, manifested to us briefly after three hundred years"{{snd}}it's the ''briefly'' that gets me, like the end of ''AI'' when David's mother is brought back to life for just a single day. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:53, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

== Barnstar ==

{{The Barnstar of Good Humor|For [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#USER:Calthinus|adding humor to an otherwise humorless area]]}} <sup>&#91;[[User:Username Needed|Username]] [[User talk:Username Needed|Needed]]&#93;</sup> 11:58, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
::Thanks. I will treasure this barnstar and trot it out next time [https://wiki.riteme.site/?oldid=870937115#ANI_Nonsense some humorless killjoy gives me grief]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:19, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

*Yes, the "you've got death threats" message template would be a major boon for the busy editor. Or maybe we even need a new [[Horsehead (band)|icon]] alongside the existing "bell-end and push-up bra"?? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 12:11, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

== [[Cabin pressurization]] ==

EEng, I note that you reverted my reversion of your deletion of text indicating that gradual pressure drops can go undetected. This phenomenon is actually of enormous importance. It has been implicated in a number of crashes where the plane sails on, incommunicado, while the crew, and passengers, inside are unconscious or dead
The body is quite unable to detect low oxygen levels other than losing consciousness because the urge to breath is controlled by rising CO2 levels not falling O2 levels. This is something drummed into every trainee pilot from day one. I myself, with fellow students, was taken up in a hypobaric chamber to 25,000' on oxygen and then switched to air and allowed to lose consciousness just to demonstrate that it cannot be detected, even when you know it is going to happen.
In the case of the cosmonauts the dump valve was located out of site under one of the seats, it got missed after venting the cabin. If the crew had been able to detect low O2 levels then they would immediately have reached under the seat to close the valve. Its location was a little awkward but they knew how to do it because it was used for extra-vehicular activities. On the ground, the only symptom was no radio contact, this happens naturally during re-entry and should have been restored in the parachute phase. It wasn't but the diagnosis at the time was not hypoxia. It was only on opening the completely undamaged capsule that they realised the cosmonauts were dead.
The points that have been deleted are actually very important and need to be a part of the story. I'm not going to enter a reversion war but please have a think, do some research and consider how these phrases might be better worded. [[User:Ex nihil|E]][[User:Ex nihil|<span style="color: red;">x </span>]][[User:Ex nihil|nihil ]]<small><sup><i>([[User_talk:Ex nihil|talk]])</i></sup></small> : Ex nihil (talk) 02:25, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
:I realize you want the reader to understand that slow pressure drops might go unnoticed by occupants as they slip toward unconsciousness, but the two removed bits do a bad job of that. The first said:
::''Failures range from sudden, catastrophic loss of airframe integrity (explosive decompression) to slow leaks or equipment malfunctions that allow cabin pressure to drop undetected to levels that can lead to unconsciousness or severe performance degradation of the aircrew.''
:This passage is simultaneously trying to explain that decompression can be fast or slow ''and'' that slow decompressions can go unnoticed by personnel. But those are two separate (if somewhat related) ideas and trying to squeeze them in to one sentence confuses them. Furthermore, while ''undetected'' in this case is meant to mean "undetected by personnel's senses", in the reader's mind it may also imply that no sensing equipment detected the pressure drop either. If you want to makes the fast-slow point, and the undetected-by-the-senses point, make them explicitly and separately.
:As for the cosmonaut passage...
::''On June 30, 1971, the crew of [[Soyuz 11]], Soviet cosmonauts [[Georgy Dobrovolsky]], [[Vladislav Volkov]], and [[Viktor Patsayev]] were killed after the cabin vent valve accidentally opened before atmospheric re-entry. There had been no indication of trouble until the recovery team opened the capsule and found the dead crew.''
:... it completely buries the point. "There had been no indication of trouble"... where? To controllers on the ground? To the cosmonauts? If the latter, how would we know, since dead men tell no tales? And anyway, why are you telling us this? Oh wait! I know! I think you're trying to say that the position of the bodies indicated the men had not been alarmed and had simply slipped into unconsciousness lying in their seats. If so then ''say that'', and then remind the reader that this illustrates how hypoxia can creep up on you. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:40, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

== More sad news ==

I'm sorry to tell those gathered here that our friend [[User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris]] passed away last month. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:56, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
:Yes, I heard that a while ago and it is truly sad. He was a fine person though I did not know him well. A sudden stroke took him. [[User:Cullen328|<b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328</sup>]] [[User talk:Cullen328|<span style="color:#00F">''Let's discuss it''</span>]] 07:01, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
:: [[User talk:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris|some legacy to live up to]] --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 09:19, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

== smocking ==

Have you ever noticed that "smock" is a lot like "mock" with an extra "s"? That makes it easier to mock someone over a smocking accident and helps keep America smoke free.-- [[User:Dlohcierekim|<b style="color:black">Dloh<span style="color:red">cier</span><span style="color:gold">ekim</span></b>]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 21:04, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWs2H_LhuH0 Yeti pubes], anyone? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 22:55, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
:I'm not sure I quite understand. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:43, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

==For the record...==
Family obligations make it impossible for me to accept the position of [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/12/trump-chief-of-staff-worst-job-john-kelly Donald Trump's next chief of staff]. Just in case any of you were wondering. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:38, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
:"Everybody wants to work in the White House. They all want a piece of that Oval Office." [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:55, 12 December 2018 (UTC) <small>.... or is it now the [[offal|offal office]]?? </small>
::<small>unlawful awful offal? <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Eman235#top|<span style="color:green;">E'''man'''</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<span style="color:#6643d1;">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<span style="color:brown;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 05:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)</small>

== I've made a decision ==

Instead of giving presents 🎁 this year, I'm giving my opinion. Get excited!! 🎅🏻🎄🤶🎁 <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 02:49, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
:I find this exciting. Can you be more explicit? [[User:Simon Adler|Simon Adler]] ([[User talk:Simon Adler|talk]]) 03:02, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
::I'm giving strawberry risotto. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 18:44, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Simon, you'll have to wait until Christmas. Tryp - do you use FedEx? Email me instead of sending the risotto. That would be an unusual present, indeed. <sup>[[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme</span>]][[User talk:Atsme |✍🏻]][[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]]</sup> 20:02, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
::::For those playing along at home, [[WP:RISOTTO]] and [[Wikipedia talk:Principle of Some Astonishment#Pictures section]]. Also, [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3APrinciple_of_Some_Astonishment&type=revision&diff=873388187&oldid=873364867], [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Principle_of_Some_Astonishment&diff=next&oldid=873389357], [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Principle_of_Some_Astonishment&diff=next&oldid=873390266], [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Principle_of_Some_Astonishment&diff=next&oldid=873542596], and [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Principle_of_Some_Astonishment&diff=prev&oldid=873600436]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

== A moment of your time re: an article I am writing ==

*A. Long time no stalk your talk page
*B. Happy end of year/new years to you and yours.
*C. Now that I have sufficiently put thee in a good mood, I was writing [[William H. West (policeman)]] and was hoping some other people could lay eyes on it, especially the Arresting of Grant section, which looks more and more awkwardly titled to me the more I look at it. I know I tend to mince words when I write, so if anybody feels that section should be expanded or rewritten per the sources I would appreciate it, esp. as I will be AFK for a couple days. (TL;DR I want to take this through DYK and the article is too 40% short per rules :) <sup>Thanks, </sup>[[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>◊distænt write◊</small>]] 03:32, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
::For reasons all too painfully obvious, this will make an extremely timely DYK, and I am happy to be involved. However, we are going to need much higher-quality sources -- none right now is a serious scholarly work. While Grant was one of the least interesting presidents (a separate career from his military one) there are undoubtedly several book-length studies and zillions of papers. Some of them must have this. I'm busy just now but if someone will take a stab at finding sources I'll join in tomorrow. I can get my hands on almost any paywalled source instantly, and anything in print within 24 hours if needed.
::I forget the DYK rule -- AFAI recall we have a week (?) to get it to 1500 characters and nominate, and after that we'll have another few weeks to improve it while it works its way along DYK's long alimentary canal. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:51, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

*'''''Talk page stalkers -- your help is needed!''''' We need a high-quality source for the assertion (in [[William H. West (policeman)]]) that sometime in 1872 President US Grant was arrested in Washington DC for driving his carriage too fast. I think in this case "high-quality" is going to have to mean a source that gives clear citations to the primary material supporting this idea; none of the sources currently in the article does this, and [[:File:Evening_Star_Sun_Sep_27_1908.jpg|this newspaper article from 1908]] cannot possibly be taken as reliable for anything beyond a statement that West told this story. Maybe one of you will look somewhere I'm not thinking of. (I'd say I'm about 33% of the way through a thorough search, which is as far as I can go without a trip to the library.) [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:33, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
**This morning (Saturday) on NPR's Weekend Edition Saturday, there was an interview with the Executive Director of Grant's presidential library, and he described exactly that event. If you track it down at the NPR website, there should be a transcript there. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:31, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
**:Thanks! I'll be posting over at the article talk page in a bit. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:16, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

==Actually, you probably do know ...==
{{Did_you_know_nominations/Dermophis_donaldtrumpi}}
:See mini-review above. Maybe your stalkers can help expand this? —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 03:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

=== Anti-American socialist vermin like you should have their balls cut off and forced down their throat. ===

Commie fag <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pilesabuse|Pilesabuse]] ([[User talk:Pilesabuse#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pilesabuse|contribs]]) 13:04, 23 December 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Oh, a fellow [https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=commie-fag-junkie George Carlin fan]! Welcome! [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:25, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
::Only 5/116 insults? The Sunday crossword is supposed be more difficult than this. <sup>Thanks, </sup>[[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>◊distænt write◊</small>]] 17:24, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
:::I don't get it. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:13, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
::''Note to admins and talk page stalkers:'' I prefer that the above not be removed. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:25, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Hey, this page loads faster on my iPad than on the win 10 pc. Gosh. [[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy,''' <small>the dog</small>.]] [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''wooF''']] 17:30, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
{{-}}
::::Ten-piece what? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:13, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
:::Not removed, but I put a block under the tree for him. [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 17:36, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Well, it ''is'' Christmas (or will be tomorrow, in my [[Sweden|socialist, faggot friendly, secularised corner of the world]]), so balls are surely traditional. --''[[User:Bonadea|bonadea]]'' <small>[[Special:Contributions/Bonadea|contributions]] [[User talk:Bonadea|talk]]</small> 21:20, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

== images as comment ==

I see you restored [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style&diff=prev&oldid=875076580 this]. Removing a contribution to a talk page was not an action I took lightly, I'm assuming you can appreciate why someone might have done that; please consider how others can use this form of 'comment' to paint user's comments with their indignation (i.e. blowback). All very cunning mind you, a post to a thread to which reply is not directly possible and insists on attention to itself. [[User talk:Cygnis insignis|cygnis insignis]] 04:37, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
:''Cunning'' isn't the word that I would use. ''Desperate'' is more like it, after seven days and 40 posts over a comma. Anyone can respond by adding another post. I confess to calling emphatic attention to the plea, "Jeez! All this argument over a comma???" [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:09, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

== [[Jeanne Calment]] ==

Hi EEng, you may be right about reverting me and I'm not going to argue the point further. But you made 4 reverts within 2 hours to that article. This is just a friendly reminder regarding 3RR, because I appreciate your valuable contributions. Also, I didn't get a notification about being reverted -- be sure to use the 'undo' link if that's the reason. [[User:Gap9551|Gap9551]] ([[User talk:Gap9551|talk]]) 22:47, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
:When a group of editors are all working together happily, and sending thanks to one another along the way, there's no problem even if some proportion of the edits are straight reverts. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:01, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
::Yes, I was one of those sending thanks to you. Cheers, [[User:Gap9551|Gap9551]] ([[User talk:Gap9551|talk]]) 23:31, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

*In regards to the Youtube source, I feel that it isn't reliable in this case per [[WP:EL/P]]. A common issue is "Videos must be carefully screened for copyright violations (WP:ELNEVER, WP:COPYLINK, WP:YT). The creator of the video must be verifiable as an official channel for the source. Do not link to copyright violations in citations, even if they reproduce information, such as news reports, that might otherwise be considered reliable." Even if the video is about a documentary, we are promoting the user's Youtube channel by including this reference. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 23:08, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
*:{{U|Knowledgekid87}}, I was responding only to the concern expressed in your edit summary [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=875245594] ("a single youtube video is an insufficient source to support the relevance of including derogatory comments about another person...") which said nothing about copyvio. Even if the particular Youtuve posting is a copyvio (or -- as I think is the case now that I look -- we can't determine that it's ''not'' a copyvio) that doesn't change the fact that it's obviously authentic and therefore reliable for Jeanne/Yvonne's own words. It's little unclear what to do in a case like that, since we're not supposed to ''link'' to a copyvio but to use it as a source we'd still have to cite it somehow (I guess describe the source without linking to it?). Anyway, though I know no French I get the impression this [https://www.ina.fr/video/CAB89003100] has the same Van Gogh quotation, and I think we can infer there's no copyvio issue. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:07, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

== Merry Christmas! ==

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[[User:Huggums537|Huggums537]] ([[User talk:Huggums537|talk]]) is wishing you a [[Mary Poppins|Merry]] [[Christmas]]! This greeting (and season) promotes [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a [[Christmas|Merry Christmas]], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! <br />

''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Xmas2}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
</div>
Thank you for the comic relief on the ANI pages and other talk pages. I enjoy reading them. [[User:Huggums537|Huggums537]] ([[User talk:Huggums537|talk]]) 21:57, 25 December 2018 (UTC)


== Don't be a tease ==
== Don't be a tease ==
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Thanks! Your contribution will be used to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=886273498] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! Your contribution will be used to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=886273498] [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 06:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
:Hurrah! I'm honoured. [[User:BlackcurrantTea|BlackcurrantTea]] ([[User talk:BlackcurrantTea|talk]]) 07:51, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
:Hurrah! I'm honoured. [[User:BlackcurrantTea|BlackcurrantTea]] ([[User talk:BlackcurrantTea|talk]]) 07:51, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

== One of the seven dwarfs ==

Heh. If you hadn't added "garner" in [[Special:Diff/886507921|your initial edit]] I would have added it myself. It is my unfavorite. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 19:21, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
:I suspect it may still be needed in [[Garner, North Carolina|some dopey places]]? We learn that "In 1912, the telephone came to Garner." I wonder did it stay? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:27, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
::Feel free to suggest . [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 19:40, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
:::I have to admit that I'm [[Chalkboard scraping|not good]] with garner (small g), either. Here's another we've got an entire [[Legend|article]] for. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:52, 6 March 2019 (UTC)


== [[Draft:Dumber than a rock in the toothpick factory]] ==
== [[Draft:Dumber than a rock in the toothpick factory]] ==
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[https://i.imgur.com/XfiCPTn.png Talk about "distorted"]. <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Eman235#top|<span style="color:green;">E'''man'''</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<span style="color:#6643d1;">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<span style="color:brown;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 11:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
[https://i.imgur.com/XfiCPTn.png Talk about "distorted"]. <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Eman235#top|<span style="color:green;">E'''man'''</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<span style="color:#6643d1;">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<span style="color:brown;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 11:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:''[http://heavytable.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/tilt-machines-pinball.jpg TILT!]'' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:26, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:''[http://heavytable.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/tilt-machines-pinball.jpg TILT!]'' [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 15:26, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

== What law is it... ==
[[File:2015-12-20_Spitzkohlsalat_mit_Möhren_anagoria.JPG|thumb|Tarage Slaw <small>(I couldn't resist)</small>{{right|-{{u|Jip Orlando}}}}]]
(Undid revision 893680232 by 75.111.203.5 (talk) you're improper grammar is not an improvement.) 😂 [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 23:01, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
:Link, please? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 23:07, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
::Found it - [[WP:TARAGESLAW2]] (that's all I'm saying) [[File:SMirC-embarassed.svg|x20px|●°.°●]] [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 02:24, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
:::I get it now. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 02:31, 23 April 2019 (UTC)


== Some gravestones for you! ==
== Some gravestones for you! ==
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:::::::::::And the first time I've seen "Republicans making jokes about a Democrat" and "tasteful".... --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:47, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::::And the first time I've seen "Republicans making jokes about a Democrat" and "tasteful".... --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:47, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::::"Yabba-Dabba-[https://twitter.com/globeopinion/status/722322141128101888 Democrat"!!] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:58, 8 June 2019 (UTC) <small> ... thank you, ''[[Private Eye]]''</small>
::::::::::::"Yabba-Dabba-[https://twitter.com/globeopinion/status/722322141128101888 Democrat"!!] [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:58, 8 June 2019 (UTC) <small> ... thank you, ''[[Private Eye]]''</small>

== Automatic archiving at MoS talk page? ==

Hi EEng. Before stating my question, I will quickly note that I have recently become somewhat if not totally sympathetic to your pessimistic attitude in regard to WP style matters and to effectuating any change in this regard for rational reasons. That said, I'll jump to the chuckle I just now enjoyed when I found myself desiring a "talk-page talk page", i.e. one about the MoS talk page, where I couldn't see an appropriate place to place my question that I'm therefore sending to you, in preference to sending it to an administrator who would probably either ignore me or threaten me with sanctions for having purportedly violated some nonexistent rule. But let's get to the question already. I searched for "news" (style guides) on the MoS talk page this morning, was surprised that there were no finds on the word, and finally found that the "Commas" section had been archived along with five preceding ones, but not including the first two at the top of the page, "An amusement park with a Noah's Ark theme is..." and "Numbering officeholders in infoboxes". If this was done automatically by a bot, I wondered, then why didn't it archive these two along with the others? Having presented this question, I'm now thinking that maybe it was because there were later contributions in the first two sections but not in the others, and if this is the reason then I would appreciate your confirming it. In any event don't get me wrong – I'm happy to see "Commas" go and I proposed a new thread accordingly, though admittedly with quite poor timing on that. But when will the post-intro comma be permitted to reappear? In six weeks? Six months? Six years? Thanks. –[[User:Roy McCoy|Roy McCoy]] ([[User talk:Roy McCoy|talk]]) 17:04, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
:The thread was archived by the bot yesterday [https://wiki.riteme.site/?diff=900672792]. The general idea is that threads untouched for 14 days get archived, except that the bot won't reduce the number of threads below four. (Note that different talk pages have different criteria.)
:I am not pessimistic about style matters; I simply believe the bar for adding a rule to MOS should be high. Unless you can provide diffs of numerous discussions, on numerous articles, showing editors wasting their time arguing about this point, I strongly urge you not to reopen this issue. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:32, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
::Thanks for your explanation on the automatic archiving, which confirms what I thought while providing further welcome detail.
::I would think you were pessimistic about style matters because you've given the impression of having to a large extent given up on them, preferring simply to make related jokes. I don't think rules should be capriciously added to the MoS either – in particular any obligating and justifying dubious and annoying commas – and in fact what I would like at this point, as you would know if you were following the present discussion, would be the elimination of one, namely that on the geocomma/datecomma. Knowing from several things you've written that you appear to share my feelings on this, I think it might be more appropriate for you to act in concert on this rather than to present yourself as being at odds with me and to tell me to get lost. But you don't have to tell me not to start in on the post-intro comma again – I'm not suicidal.[https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style&diff=898389722&oldid=898386831&diffmode=source] Nor am I particularly interested in doing the research necessary to prove the existence of a significant number of disputes / amount of time lost on any of these disputes, though I suppose a simple search on a particular name or two at ANI might yield a sufficient quantity. –[[User:Roy McCoy|Roy McCoy]] ([[User talk:Roy McCoy|talk]]) 18:08, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:::You argue at length about very minor things. I'm not telling you to get lost, just to give MOS a rest. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 09:17, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
::::I'm sorry if I misunderstood "take MOS off your watchlist", but in any event I'm surprised and somewhat offended by your assertion that I "argue at length about very minor things". I obviously don't consider them minor; so you, with no apparent hesitation, announce your judgment superior to mine, even when commas and such are the very stuff of the MoS, and when my comments – overlong or not (I'm not arguing about that, and I have been holding back if you haven't noticed, which you haven't) – could thus hardly be more germane. Thanks, however, for your implicit explanation for the lack of your own engagement. If you don't care about punctuation and consider it insignificant, one might wonder what ''you'' are doing at MOS.
::::Begoon has reverted my unintentional deletion of this comment of yours. Oddly, the same thing happened also on his talk page at about the same time last night. In both cases I'd had your talk pages on my watchlist because my preferences were set for automatic addition on edits. I've now turned this back off, but was turning "Watch this page" off for both your pages when these overrides occurred. In Begoon's case I didn't understand how it had happened and had to think about it. In your case I didn't have to think about it because I'd already figured it out for Begoon's case, but I also remembered that in fact it took so long for the change to register at your page that I actually thought – I remember now – that you might have made a change in the meantime. Which, it turns out, you did. It looks like this is a problem occasioned by your gigantic page... and you talk to me about excessive length! Another problem with this, which I suppose others may suffer as well (not having lightning-fast Harvard Internet), is that I can't jump to the top and bottom of your page with a keycode as I can with every other WP page I've encountered. But excuse me for mentioning this very minor thing. –[[User:Roy McCoy|Roy McCoy]] ([[User talk:Roy McCoy|talk]]) 14:22, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
::::P.S. I've been slow to realize it, but I think I've finally now gotten that I can simply click on the star at the top of a page to watch/unwatch it, rather than going through the whole editing rigamarole (unusually long in your case) for this simple change. –[[User:Roy McCoy|Roy McCoy]] ([[User talk:Roy McCoy|talk]]) 14:43, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::*I didn't announce my judgment superior to yours, I simply offered my judgment of the situation.
:::::*I do not have {{tq|lightning-fast Harvard Internet}} (except when I happen to be at Harvard). The <home> key takes you to the top of any page, and there's a ''Jump to bottom of page'' link at the top of this page.
:::::*I do care about punctuation and do not consider it insignificant. But I think MOS should take a conservative approach to how much it tries to prescribe -- see [[User:EEng#Museum_of_Seeing_the_Forest_Instead_of_the_Trees]].
:::::[[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 18:49, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::(1) I was actually going to write "implicitly announce", but you guys keep criticizing me for wordiness and so I was trying to trim it down. My own judgment should have been assumed in any event. (2) I don't think Mac laptops have a home key, but my Opera browser has keycodes (cmd-up arrow and cmd-down arrow, and I'll type these with hyphens, thank you) for jumping to the top and bottom of pages. Sometimes these work on your page, but other times they haven't. (3) I understand your previously stated MoS attitude, but you apparently still haven't understood that I agree with you. If there's any evidence that I don't, please send me the diffs, thanks. Again, I presently want to get rid of the geo/datecomma rule, not add a different one. And if I think a rule would be in order for the post-intro comma (and don't suppose you know what this rule would be), it would be in preference to one making that comma obligatory in all cases as has been proposed. (4) I was going to invite you to visit the US-Canada Esperanto congress at Emerson College this weekend, but I see on-site registrations aren't being accepted (https://landakongreso.org/en/home/). Too bad – you would probably have gotten some laughs out of it. –[[User:Roy McCoy|Roy McCoy]] ([[User talk:Roy McCoy|talk]]) 04:35, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::::The discussions were so convoluted that I didn't realize one were about removing vs. keeping an existing rule(s). My apologies. I'd be all for leaving the date and "geo" commas to editor discretion, but I don't think it's a hill worth dying on. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::(1) Pat Moynihan once defended Ronald Reagan at the Kennedy School, saying something to the effect that one could always excuse a good-natured person. This seemed inappropriate at the time, when particularly nasty Reagan-administration shit was going on in Central America (and there were grimaces in the crowd), but it comes back as appropriate for you. (2) I'll dodge bullets to a certain extent, but I'm not going to completely dedicate myself to cowering either. ''Common usage should be defended'' (at least when it's not really wrong). Somebody just now wrote to me: "The key thing that's important about the MoS is ''don't take YOUR pet peeves and beliefs about what's right and what's wrong and make rules for OTHER people.'' My reply to this was: "Right on!" –[[User:Roy McCoy|Roy McCoy]] ([[User talk:Roy McCoy|talk]]) 04:56, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::::::Re your last point, as it happens I have an essay on the subject (brought to perfection with the capable help of my glittering salon of talk page stalkers, of course): [[WP:Lies Miss Snodgrass told you]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 05:12, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::::::Thanks. I wanna stalk too, and I'd be delighted if you threw in something along the order of:<br />
:::::::::::* "State names in city/state combinations and years in dates must have a comma at the end unless followed by other punctuation."
:::::::::::*: (Authorities in fact disagree on this.)
:::::::::::–[[User:Roy McCoy|Roy McCoy]] ([[User talk:Roy McCoy|talk]]) 06:19, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

== Disarmament ==

Would this perhaps be Museum-worthy: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FHealth_of_Donald_Trump&type=revision&diff=900978112&oldid=900977287]? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:44, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
:Just for the record: [https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FHealth_of_Donald_Trump&type=revision&diff=900982236&oldid=900980668]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:18, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::It's 5am so maybe I'm not hitting on all six cylinders, but I'm missing the joke. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 09:13, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
:::Based on subsequent comments by other editors in that thread, I'm beginning to think it might be my cylinders and yours are ok. Please correct me if I'm being ignorant here, but I understand "disarmingly" to mean pretty much the same thing as "charmingly", which is quite the opposite of "alarmingly". --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:33, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
::::Now I see what you're getting at. Yes, ''disarming'' means something like ''charming'' or ''winning'', with the connotation that you are induced to let down your guard. It's hard to know if your interlocutor was using the word in knowledge of its meaning or not. Maybe he meant that the irrelevance was charming? [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 20:56, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::The context was a very strong ''this page must be deleted because it's full of unacceptable BLP violations'', pretty much. I can see how that could be considered an alarming situation, but for the life of me, I can't see how it could simultaneously be charming. But I guess if one has to explain a joke, then it's probably not museum-worthy. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:05, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::I got it and thought it was funny. –[[User:Roy McCoy|Roy McCoy]] ([[User talk:Roy McCoy|talk]]) 04:32, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks, I'm glad, and a bit relieved. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 22:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)


== [[Zersetzung|Tussle over pronouns in a dark alley in East Berlin]] ==
== [[Zersetzung|Tussle over pronouns in a dark alley in East Berlin]] ==
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<br>ISSUE RATIONALES UNCLEAR?
<br>ISSUE RATIONALES UNCLEAR?
<br>PERHAPS TRANSPARENCY YOU FEAR?
<br>PERHAPS TRANSPARENCY YOU FEAR?

== #400 ==
[[File:Everest_kalapatthar.jpg|thumb|upright=.5|EEng's talk page continues its inexorable rise &nbsp; [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]), [[WP:admin|admin]], [[meta:Global renamers|renamer]]]]
[[File:Candle.jpg|thumb|upright=.5|''In memoriam'', David Eppstein's browser, &nbsp; [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]])]]

I am making the valiant but probably futile request that you consider archiving some of your talk page discussions from years long, long ago now that you've reached #400 (I hereby challenge TPS to find a longer user talk page!). Some of us value our digits and don't want to tire them out scrolling to the bottom of your very long talk page. At least I can say I tried. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 23:02, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
:+1! (although, to be fair, there is a "jump to the bottom" link at the top. Still, the page takes approximately forever to load...) --[[User:Stephan Schulz|Stephan Schulz]] ([[User talk:Stephan Schulz|talk]]) 23:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
:Home/end keys, "jump to bottom of page" like at the top, [[User:Numbermaniac/goToTop|this script]] and [[User:Numbermaniac/goToBottom.js|this script]] all fix the navigation problem for me. A bigger concern is the page load time. <span style="font-family:serif">[[User:Eman235#top|<span style="color:green;">E'''man'''</span>]][[Special:Contribs/Eman235|<span style="color:#6643d1;">2'''35'''</span>]]/[[User talk:Eman235#top|<span style="color:brown;">''talk''</span>]]</span> 23:09, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
::I'm trying to imagine someone actually bothering to count them. Any chance it's actually 401? --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
:::Check the ToC up at the ToP. --[[User:Stephan Schulz|Stephan Schulz]] ([[User talk:Stephan Schulz|talk]]) 23:14, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
::::''Touché''! I don't have time to scroll all the way up there. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
::::[[300 Club]], [[The 400 Club|400 Club]], [[500 Club]]. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:25, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
:The arrow keys work for jumping to the bottom of the page for me when reading. What kills my browser is when I get an edit conflict and it tries to load two copies of the entire source code for the page into two different edit windows. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 23:30, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
::Like climbing Everest,isn;t it????&nbsp; [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]), [[WP:admin|admin]], [[meta:Global renamers|renamer]] 01:27, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
::You know I had a freind who tried to climb Mt Everest ~ I think she found a Budda monk and I haven't seen her since [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 01:39, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
:Handy household [[Viz (comics)|top tip]]: opening EEng's Talk page can be used as a handy timer for a [[Century egg|soft-boiled egg]]. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC) <small>p.s. alas that little candle won't last long [[deepest mine|this far down]]...</small>
::<small> You know ~ after further investigation ~ and after many Nepal citizens ~ ''speaking in [[Nepali language|Parbatiya]] to me'' ~ I think she was carried off by a [[Yeti]] [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 21:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Wait! Not Yeti!&nbsp; [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 22:56, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Well she did leave me a cooler for my birthday ~ </small> [[Yeti (American company)|Austin,Tejas]] ~ <small><small> [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 23:12, 2 July 2019 (UTC) </small></small>
:::''Geburtstag? Hoch soll er leben, hoch soll er leben, drei mal hoch!''&nbsp; [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 23:20, 2 July 2019 (UTC) ~ ~ ~ Bon ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 23:30, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

::This has nothing to do with Germany ~ but ~ you know ~~ when I was [[Surfing|surfing]] north of [[Santa Monica Pier]] ~ we had an earthquake in [[1987 Whittier Narrows earthquake|1987]] ~ I laugh at the 6.4 [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 20:12, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
:::The non-local media are going nuts about this, as if it were a major disaster, but really it was out in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by hundreds of miles of desert. Maybe some rocks fell over onto other rocks. If you're going to have a big earthquake, it's a great choice of location. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:18, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
:::Right ~ our's was just close to downtown LA ~ bridges collapsed ~ walls fell ~ I was asleep in my room {off [[Hollywood Boulevard|Hollywood Blvd]]} ~ and thought my daughters were shaking the bed ~ much to my surprise ''My daughters were in Texas'' ~ and I noticed a crack in the roof that went all the way from the floor across the ceiling and down to floor on the other side ~ no big deal except that my apartment was right above the garage for the complex ~ the apartment managers let me move into another apartment the same day ~ great service ~ ~ ~ [[User:Mitchellhobbs|~mitch~]] ([[User talk:Mitchellhobbs|talk]]) 20:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC)


== 401 ==
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Please cut this back, oh don't see<br />
Please cut this back, oh don't see<br />
It can't be read; i t &nbsp; j u s t &nbsp; w o n 't &nbsp; l o a d.&nbsp; [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]])
It can't be read; i t &nbsp; j u s t &nbsp; w o n 't &nbsp; l o a d.&nbsp; [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]])

== Please comment on [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion#rfc_C048856|Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion]] ==

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== Archive please. ==

{{u|EEng}} Hi, can you please archive some of the old stuff here? I am having a hard time loading this page on my computer. Thanks! [[User:Mgasparin|Mgasparin]] ([[User talk:Mgasparin|talk]]) 06:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
:How old should the old stuff be? I hope it's not less than 40 years. We might wind up losing some editors. —/[[User:Mendaliv|'''M'''<small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 06:32, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
::{{u|Mendaliv}} I don't know, how about 1 year? [[User:Mgasparin|Mgasparin]] ([[User talk:Mgasparin|talk]]) 19:52, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
:::[[u|Mgasparin]], that's like asking for [[Davy Jones' Locker]] to suddenly float up to [[Ocean surface topography|the surface]]. <small>(... and he was in [[Davy Jones (musician)|The Monkees]]).</small> [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 19:58, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
::::I wonder if EEng could be convinced to archive everything newer than one year instead. Just for fun. —/[[User:Mendaliv|'''M'''<small>endaliv</small>]]/<sup><small>[[User talk:Mendaliv|2¢]]</small></sup>/<sub><small>[[Special:Contributions/Mendaliv|Δ's]]</small></sub>/ 20:00, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
::::Well, this is not the first time someone has asked EEng to decrease the size of this page. {{ping|EEng}} Take a hint. {{smiley}} {{lightbulb}} [[User:Mgasparin|Mgasparin]] ([[User talk:Mgasparin|talk]]) 20:28, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
*Unfortunately, I have to agree. My browser often reloads this page because of a problem, usually memory consumption. Not to mention JS takes forever to execute thus locking this page down for a bit. Please move some of your old stuff.—[[User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:olive">Chat</span>]])</span> 00:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
:Also agree, this is by far the longest time consuming user page on the project (that I watch, that is) please archive about 80%. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#FFD700">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 00:34, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
::TBH, he just did.&nbsp; [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 04:40, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
::It really is shorter. #401 is no 384. That's progress.&nbsp; [[User:Dlohcierekim|Dlohcierekim]] ([[User talk:Dlohcierekim|talk]]) 04:44, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
:::It'll be more progress still after I archive all the sections asking me to archive. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 04:52, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
::::[https://snag.gy/A9TlU6.jpg Here's] what I encounter a lot when going to your talk page.—[[User:Cyberpower678|'''<span style="color:darkgrey;font-family:monospace">CYBERPOWER</span>''']] <span style="font-family:Rockwell">([[User talk:Cyberpower678|<span style="color:\#FF8C00">Around</span>]])</span> 12:50, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
:::::This is like my boyfriend bugging me to clean out the garage. He labors under the delusion that garages are for parking cars. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 13:19, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
::::::Haha! A lurking Admin's gonna make like he sure done [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7gIpuIVE3k gotcha]! [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 20:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

===Unarchive please===
Your archives are getting too long. And I figure that the more that we keep you busy [[Sisyphus|archiving and unarchiving]], the less trouble you'll create elsewhere on the project. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 16:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC){{fbdb}}
:As we now [https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_of_User:EEng know] - that plan didn't work. [[User:Atsme|<span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D"><sup>Atsme</sup></span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Atsme|<small>Talk</small>]]</sub> [[Special:EmailUser/Atsme|📧]] 19:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


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:::::::And talking of [[There'll Always Be an England|"Infamy, infamy"]]... wow, things are already hottin' up in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1qRFil9xj0&feature=youtu.be&t=14&fbclid=IwAR2e7ECBKVqufvWO8Zx4ZC2lSoFLk0agBN28tOm5m7UJlQJR7DcQcrZ460Q search for a new Hilary]. That's the kind of hype that, in the UK, we reserve for [[The X Factor (British TV series)|something really tacky]]. '''Almost''' as exciting as the recent UK [[2019 Conservative Party (UK) leadership election|Final of ''Love Island'']]. My money's on that [[John Hickenlooper|Chickenlooper]]. [[Alistair Cooke| Alistair-Cooked-to-a-frazzle-already-123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:49, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
:::::::And talking of [[There'll Always Be an England|"Infamy, infamy"]]... wow, things are already hottin' up in the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1qRFil9xj0&feature=youtu.be&t=14&fbclid=IwAR2e7ECBKVqufvWO8Zx4ZC2lSoFLk0agBN28tOm5m7UJlQJR7DcQcrZ460Q search for a new Hilary]. That's the kind of hype that, in the UK, we reserve for [[The X Factor (British TV series)|something really tacky]]. '''Almost''' as exciting as the recent UK [[2019 Conservative Party (UK) leadership election|Final of ''Love Island'']]. My money's on that [[John Hickenlooper|Chickenlooper]]. [[Alistair Cooke| Alistair-Cooked-to-a-frazzle-already-123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 18:49, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

== Among the other oddball things in life ... ==

I had been aware of this [[Barney Smith (museum curator)|Barney Smith]] for years, as I monitor [[List of museums in Central Texas]]. Until today, the museum has remained a red link. The concept of it has made me laugh ever since I first became aware or it years ago. And there's been an audience for his collection. [[User:Maile66|— Maile ]] ([[User talk:Maile66|talk]]) 22:24, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Russian interference in the 2020 United States elections]] ==
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:::::Oh my God, {{u|Mendaliv}}, you'll even defend the length of EEng's talk page. Is ''nothing'' beneath you?{{fbdb}} <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 03:52, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
:::::Oh my God, {{u|Mendaliv}}, you'll even defend the length of EEng's talk page. Is ''nothing'' beneath you?{{fbdb}} <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 03:52, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
::::::"Zu groß, zu klein, [Sie] könnte etwas größer sein" --Rammstein-- <b>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:black">Dloh</span>]][[User talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:red">cier</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:gold">ekim</span>]] </b> 10:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
::::::"Zu groß, zu klein, [Sie] könnte etwas größer sein" --Rammstein-- <b>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:black">Dloh</span>]][[User talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:red">cier</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:gold">ekim</span>]] </b> 10:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Sections were archived,<br>one by one, like tears falling,<br>but saved forever. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">– [[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 07:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

===Synchronicity===
===Synchronicity===
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[[File:Electric-chainsaw.jpg|thumb|(cough)-- <b>[[User:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:black">Dloh</span>]][[User talk:Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:red">cier</span>]][[Special:UserRights/Dlohcierekim|<span style="color:gold">ekim</span>]] </b>]]

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Wikipedia Must Be The Saddest Place on Earth

I have had EEng's talk and userpage on my Watchlist for two months because they are the most fun places on Wikipedia.


FDA Warning: Pagescrolling-related unilateral musculoskeletal asymmetry

My friend told me that the best way to get a man would be to impress him with my ability to crush a can so forcefully that the contents shoot out, fly up in the air and land in my mouth, so every morning I do yoga, swim and then come here for 40 mins scrolling to the bottom of EEng's talk page; my right forearm looks like Popeye's now and it's done wonders for my love life.



(a/o February 2, 2016: 131 stalkers, 81/89 "active" [3])

a. Stalkers caught on camera; b. Why was the gardener unhappy?
And now, without further ado .. Ladies and gentlemen, we present to you ... EEng's talk page!

Don't be a tease

You recently teased some trivia questions about MIT in this thread at ANI. I tried using Google, but Mr. Google and I have a love/hate relationship and he offered no assistance (maybe he's tired of being used and tossed aside). Will we ever find out what the answers are now that the thread has been closed? Or will I have another sleepless night wondering why Mr. Google refuses to answer my questions?— Isaidnoway (talk) 21:26, 30 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Surely you don't imagine I'd pose a shibboleth you can look up on Google. I'd like to give him a day or two to show off his knowledge [4] before I open the secret envelope. For some reason these poseurs often think they can get away with an MIT imposture (this one was a "professor in the MIT system, with a JD in IP and a PhD in molecular biology and supercomputing" who had "armies of grad students and PhD candidates who work in my labs" – "I'm a computer lawyer" seems to be a common fantasy) but rarely, for some reason, Harvard. You can always tell a Harvard man, I guess. EEng 05:54, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I am hoarding all of the juicy secret information that I hold close to the vest, known only to the select few who attended the City College of San Francisco, San Francisco State University and the glorious University of San Francisco. These Cambridge nerds like my brother-in-law must be put in their places. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:03, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You're going to think I'm making this up, but UCSF's Laurel Heights Campus is build over the cemetery where ol' Phineas Gage was originally buried. Cross my heart. EEng 06:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As a very young man (after high school but before college), I worked at Kaiser Hospital on Geary Boulevard, where they were digging up Gold Rush era graves during relentless medical center expansions. Mind you, I was not there during the actual Gold Rush. But they needed to create a special city, Colma, California, to accommodate all of the exhumed graves. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:04, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes indeed. Colma has 1800 living residents and 1.5 million dead; the town's (unofficial?) motto is "It's great to be alive in Colma!" For the full story see the source cited here [5], and there's a nice map of the four cemeteries that used to surround Lone Mountain here [6]; Gage was buried in "Laurel Hill Cemetery" (which was itself called simply "Lone Mountain Cemetery" until its name was changed in the mid-1860s). EEng 18:27, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Attention, Isaidnoway...) Our ex-lecturer–lawyer having demurred to respond, here are the answers to the four posers posed at WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive999#Personal_attacks_by_User:BostonBowTie:
    • (1) Immediately as you leave MIT for Harvard there's a sign that famously provides an unintentional pun when seen from just the right vantage. What is it? Answer: The metropolitan storage warehouse — fire proof next to the railroad tracks, which if you stand in just the right place reads rage warehouse — ire proof. Photo at [7]. It's now student housing.
    • (2) According to tradition, one MIT president had some famous last words. What were they? Answer: "Bituminous coal", according to legend the last words of MIT founder William Barton Rogers before he dropped dead on the commencement dais. See [8].
    • (3) What MIT library makes you go around in circles? Answer: Barker Library, inside the Great Dome; see the map here [9].
    • (4) What was kept overnight in a car trunk during the Apollo 13 emergency? Answer: MIT's copy of the Apollo guidance system's gyros, to verify their performance at very low temperatures. Search "trunk" in [10]. (If you like that sort of thing at all then this book [11] is outstanding.)
EEng 20:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Some falafel for you!

For striking a balance between humor and insight, and for having the only page on Wikipedia visible from space cymru.lass (talkcontribs) 19:40, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Submission to the Museums

Describing the planning of the Suez Canal as "he planned to penetrate the feminine Orient with the masculine Occident in a consumation of progression" is such a gem of machine translation I don't even have the heart to remove it. ‑ Iridescent 21:46, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Curator has adjoined your contribution [12] to an existing item also relating to unusual foreign adventures. EEng 23:25, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't the heart to remove this, either. ‑ Iridescent 15:32, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
[13] No matter what, they're preserved in perpetuity here in The Museums. EEng 15:49, 6 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

talking

"This is a crisis. A large crisis. In fact, if you got a moment, it's a twelve-storey crisis with a magnificent entrance hall, carpeting throughout, 24-hour portage, and an enormous sign on the roof, saying 'This Is a Large Crisis'. A large crisis requires a large plan. Get me two pencils and a pair of underpants."

You need to control your temper and language. There is nothing wrong with my edits. Hmains (talk) 04:17, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Interested stalkers may wish to visit User_talk:Hmains#For_the_last_time. EEng 04:28, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Hah! You should have heard the words I had for Trump after reading this. THAT's a NPA violation! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Big Telecom conspiracy

I've just got new, faster, wizz-bang high speedier internet installed. Guess what I did to test the speed? -Roxy, the dog. wooF 07:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Like my new laptop? This baby can do 10.8 EEngtalks!" EEng 10:17, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You made a cup of coffee but managed to drink only half of it before this page successfully loaded? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:35, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't as fast as I would have wished. Honestly, it really is the most practical speed test I've ever found! -Roxy, the dog. wooF 22:07, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
With my Ye Olde Worlde UK internet, I can usually manage a whole cafetiere. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That skeleton

That skeleton image isn't some unknown long-forgotten burial, but a photo of the exhumation of the cemetery of the Catholic graveyard of the Church of St Michael the Archangel in Sanok. Sanok is somewhat politically sensitive—it lies right at the meeting point of traditionally German/Austrian, Polish, Ukrainian, Russian/Belarussian and Jewish areas—and the EEML gang are pretty much guaranteed to take offense (or at least, to feign offense) once they make the link. Given that Commons is in no danger or running out of photographs of skeletons, you might want to use one a little less sensitive unless you have a blinding urge to be scraping assorted East European nationalist editwarriors off your talkpage for the next six months. ‑ Iridescent 16:42, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, all the good skeleton pix – to be effective it's got to give the impression that the subject dropped dead in harness – seem to be from someone or other's sacred burying ground, so since I've been using this one for years (and so have other people – I'm an influencer, apparently) I think I'll just stay the course and take my chances. But I appreciate the heads-up. EEng 17:40, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019


Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019

begin it with music and memories

Not too late, I hope ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Awe...

Your "I rest my case" video at the top of your user page links to an unavailable video. Bummerrrrr. Nice user page, btw. Leitmotiv (talk) 04:34, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Curator appreciates your bringing this matter to our attention. Information Adjustments has taken appropriate steps. EEng 05:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Dermophis donaldtrumpi

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:03, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I had looked at the DYK discussion early on, but didn't stick around. Seeing it now, good grief, it looks like death-by-overthinking, or maybe by something else. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:30, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Bunch of fraidy-cats. EEng 23:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We have all the best fraidy-cats. We have so many fraidy-cats that soon you'll be getting sick of so many fraidy-cats. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:49, 17 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for reverting my edit based on misunderstanding about the article size. (I'm sure that I had concluded this by being led there from somewhere else, but that was yesterday...) While we're both here, would you please assist this relative ignoramus by informing her how to calculate/assess/find automatically the actual size of the finished article? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The usual tool for this, I think, is the one at User:Dr pda/prosesize. It provides a link in the sidebar that you can click to calculate any page's size. You have to save first; it won't work while you're editing. But because Wikipedia:Writing better articles is somewhat official (part of a guideline), it would probably be best not to add unofficial user page software links to it. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:56, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Great and Powerful Oz prefers the "Page statistics" link found on any page history page; then once you're on the page stats page, search the string prose. Since it's linked from page histories I think it counts as official, and it doesn't require installing anything (plus it gives a lot of other useful stuff). EEng 07:04, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah - thanks to both of you. Any chance of including this (as a footnote to the 50KB size guide perhaps) in the style manual? As a relative newbie to anything more than occasional small edits, I seem to find myself wading through pages of Wiki help trying to find what I need sometimes. (I must admit that I'm usually more focussed on content than the tools and should probably dedicate more time to the latter sometime!) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 07:24, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Go ahead and add it! But stop fo-cussing; it's impolite. EEng 07:37, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but I was just brought up that way (-cussing)! Will do. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:53, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I have made a few changes to several pages where article size and splitting are mentioned, and did find that Prosesize tool referred to as well as another user one - so I threw caution to the winds and copied them onto another page as well...
Now, on a related but separate matter, talking of size - back to where my enquiries into size and splitting articles started. Long story short (having originally being led to some work on a "great-great-great-grandchild" of the Immigration article), does anyone reading this feel inclined to contribute to a discussion I started on the Immigration talk page here? Someone at the Teahouse suggested that I post a query on some of the related Project pages to attract interested editors, but looking at those pages, I'm not sure they're the right place to post. Any other suggestions? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:43, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I took a glance and the only thing I'd say is that I wouldn't get too focused on size as a reason to split an article. I'd look first for ways to trim excessive detail throughout. EEng 06:59, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I probably didn't make it clear, partly because I got temporarily diverted by wrongly calculating the size of the article and then wondering if it needed further splitting based on its apparent size. I wasn't really considering doing any further splits myself, just mainly trying to initiate discussion on what gets left behind in the parent article, and (related) how to deal with the same topic being dealt with in multiple places - which sometimes start off the same and then someone adds or changes something in one place and not the other, etc. etc. And (as a side issue) there's inconsistency amongst articles which deal with the relationship between immigration and crime. Perhaps I should delete and rephrase most of what I wrote in that section on the talk page to make it a bit clearer (and shorter). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:03, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. For better or for worse, I've re-worded my post over there. I know I get too wordy sometimes - but I think I have clarified the issue for myself a bit, anyway. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck. Bear in mind that the topic is a controversial one, so while WP:BOLDness is still the order of the day, be prepared to back off and discuss if there is resistance. EEng 04:14, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I've been doing a bit of editing on the two pages, as per my comments on the talk page there, but have confined myself to the mechanics of transclusion and the principle of which bit to include in the parent article at this point. I do intend to review some of the structures and content of related articles, but don't worry, I'm well aware of the potential for controversy so will be treading carefully. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:22, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible?

Hi EE. Do you think we could dub over Steve's voice here to say "another wrestling thread at ANI?" :-) In another bit of fun they have a festival where they reenact that scene every year. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 02:18, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! It's even better in Spanish! EEng 02:35, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An older computer loading EEng's talkpage (2019, colorized)
 – SemiHypercube

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Reliability of news outlets in general. Levivich? ! 01:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

Also: my computer had four microprocessors but after loading your talk page I'm now down to three. Levivich? ! 01:16, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the ping. Indeed, saw it via CD. Interesting idea, though haven't really had time to process it. As a friendly albeit frustrated aside, it took multiple tries to read and respond to this message. As someone who sometimes connects via lousy wifi , lousy computer, mobile, etc. (and who has had trouble even with none of the above) I find this talk page often unusable for its [arguably, I guess] intended purpose. Maybe 500k would be a reasonable already-quite-large compromise? :) FWIW. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:35, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why do I not see you at RfA?

There's an RfA going on right now and I'm wondering. Why do you never !vote in RfAs? SemiHypercube 01:37, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • (a) The fawning nominating statements make me want to vomit.
  • (b) My only criterion for adminship is that the person not be an idiot or an asshole, and if you oppose you have to say why, but you're not allowed to say someone's an idiot or an asshole.
  • (c) They're like super-serious over there and don't allow jokes.
EEng 07:38, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to nominate EEng, so he can block himself. [FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 00:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
EEng becomes an admin – SemiHypercube
EEng wrote about a guy with a large iron rod through his head. It wasn't his autobiography. Atsme✍🏻📧 23:56, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Tryptofish: I'm not sure if nominating EEng for adminship would be a good idea. I might support him if this page gets created, but I can hardly imagine what absolute chaos would ensue if he were nominated, let alone actually be promoted. SemiHypercube 02:28, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Disappointed!
  • This is very disappointing. The header turned up on my watchlist, and I took it to mean "Why do I not see you as a candidate at RFA?" So I came here fully expecting to see either a good excuse for not standing from EEng, or (better) an abject apology followed by a prompt self-nomination. (I agree about the fulsome nominations, and always give extra points to the few who self-nominate. Let's have some self-reliance and independence at RFA, people. What are the admins? A mutual admiration society? An exclusive country club?) Anyway. Please do nominate yourself! I'd certainly vote for you. (Yes, I'm too proud to use that "!vote" jargon.) Bishonen | talk 03:04, 25 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]
    If Donald Trump can become President of the United States I guess anything's possible. EEng 03:51, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I will vote for you if you make Wikipedia great again. PackMecEng (talk) 03:58, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Please use that as a slogan and campaign theme.  MWGA  Levivich? ! 05:41, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Of one thing, I have no doubt: It would be the best illustrated RfA ever. Imagine the images! Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:06, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I know that Bishonen prefers self-nominations, but that doesn't mean that Bishzilla does too. If Bishzilla nominated EEng, I'd definitely support. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All the bullhonky aside...HELL YEAH!!! EEng proudly wears the battlescars that were inflicted upon him by years of clueless [fill-in the blanks]. He knows what it means to be [fill-in the blanks]. He has years of experience, incredible knowledge and the wherewithal to [fill-in the blanks]. Any editor who ever doubted his ability to craft the almost perfect encyclopedic article...[fill-in the blanks]. He would be the WP symbol of the Phoenix rising...the mystical Unicorn...the ultimate [fill-in the blanks] that would attract hordes of news media. And I would damn sure vote for him because [fill-in the blanks]. 🦄 Atsme✍🏻📧 00:48, 30 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While I appreciate the compliments, I have not the slightest interest in becoming an admin – not that there's a snowball's chance in hell of that actually happening anyway. I feel I can do more good as a member of the loyal opposition. EEng 21:14, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was just editing List of accordionists (as one does) and suddenly thought I about you, for some reason. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

👏👏👏 --Tryptofish (talk) 22:58, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is when it is compressed, then expanded, then compressed again, and then expanded again. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:32, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Donald's got a squeeze box, Melania never sleeps at night": [14] Martinevans123 (talk) 23:42, 29 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"And now a word from our sponsor, A Stable Genius." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User conduct

This and this, although I'm sure you'd already figured that out. Even without those facts, it's still blatantly obvious isn't it?  ;) Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 22:42, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I guess the irony of my ANI comment didn't come across. EEng 23:06, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Consider that this is the internet and irony that relies on prior knowledge of a person or signals such as body language and tone of voice should not be assumed. Mrspaceowl (talk) 19:04, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, uh, duh, Mr. Pedantic Ass, thanks for filling me in! That's a great tip! EEng 19:42, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Questions asked around your "snore" edit summary

Please help to improve the article to make it more interesting as per WP:BLUE WP:NPOV etc and where your comment is simply snore, please look to expand so it is not just "snore". Particularly, articles and edits that are not just "snore" may actually address complex social issues in new and innovative ways. Can you help with this mission? Mrspaceowl (talk) 10:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Snore" refers to the soporific effects of dealing with someone who keeps reinserting the same silly stuff against consensus. For those playing along at home, this refers to Talk:Farmers_and_Fishermen:_Two_Centuries_of_Work_in_Essex_County,_Massachusetts,_1630-1850#Good_Will_Hunting_reference. EEng 15:43, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I can testify that EEng often drops off when conversing with me. Sometimes he seems to be asleep for weeks at a time. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:10, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Do this again and you'll be blocked"

On Farmers and Fishermen: Two Centuries of Work in Essex County, Massachusetts, 1630-1850 you reverted to an edit with a sentence ending in a comma that removed notable information. The reason given was 'do this again and you'll be blocked'. However, you give no reason beyond this for reverting to a sentence fragment from one that makes sense, nor have you said what you consider 'silly' about information on an academic book referenced by a major motion picture which is factual beyond doubt and supported by the most credible source imaginable. You seem to be here for WP:NOTHERE in this case. Mrspaceowl (talk) 18:50, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mrs. Pace Owl, your cluelessness act is nearing perfection. Feel free to correct the comma to a period. That way at least something you do will be productive. [15] EEng 18:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your tact, respect and commitment to improving Wikipedia in this case. However, I must demur, as the subclause removed seems likely the only interesting thing about the article at present, and should be restored. Mrspaceowl (talk) 19:08, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, can you please have a look over Murder of Rachael Runyan? Thank you in advance. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 15:35, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Took a stab at it. EEng 16:17, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Stab? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:34, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In all honestly the unfortunate background meaning did occur to me as I typed, but I was too lazy to backspace. EEng 22:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's OK. We all appreciate your cutting sense of humor. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:36, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Prince of Comedy

The Barnstar of Good Humor
For this nugget of comedy gold. I laughed heartily. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:55, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A beer for you!

Scrolling through WP:DRAMABOARD, appreciated this. SITH (talk) 17:19, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added bullets altered threading style

Hi EEng, fairly minor point, but I'd like to understand your addition of asterisks in front of my post of 07:57, 9 Feb two posts prior. This change also converted Nil Einne's properly threaded column 1 ':' into an asterisk as well, thus stylistically unifying our two posts and making the threading harder to follow, imho. Such alterations are sometimes helpful and I do them myself on occasion, but in such cases I like to see an edit summary with something like, "Technical TPO violation to improve threading, for <reason>." As I say, nbd, and you probably had a good reason, but I'd just like to know what it was. Mathglot (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It seemed like a series of parallel comments was accumulating so I bulleted them to bring out the parallelism. However, not having had my coffee I apparently put a separate bullets on each of your paragraphs. I've fixed that now. EEng 20:15, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent behaviour on the Jeanne Calment page

For your information, see below.

Help wanted for references to Garoyan's thesis

A large part of the sections on Jeanne's Calment daily routine at the nursing home, and about her medical history there, are cited to Georges Garoyan's 1990 thesis: Cent-quatorze ans de vie ou la longue histoire de Jeanne Calment, doyenne d'âge de France, published at the Aix-Marseille university. Does an editor have access to this document? We should review the citations, provide exact pages and quotes, and perhaps improve translations. — JFG talk 11:52, 27 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Remember, you are what you eat. --Tryptofish
In other words, you, with the support of EEng, have randomly trashed the article without first reading the single most important source on Jeanne Calment. You have thereby deprived researchers of valuable Wikipedia information (most researchers, whether supporters or critics of Calment, cannot read the French sources). You ask belatedly for help, but why should anyone now trust you and work with you? This once-excellent article is a lost cause. Both of you, take this as a lesson for the future how not to behave on Wikipedia, please. 86.162.86.5 (talk) 09:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you think that's bad, try closing a longevity-related AfD, particularly as "no consensus". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:55, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ritchie has been there, done that, and gotten the t-shirt. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:45, 13 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You should also see the flat-earther nuts that came out in email to support their POV on what Auguste Piccard saw in his balloon ride, after I semiprotected it. "Cling to your water pear religion as best you can ... The lengths the ball cultist will go are hysterical" !? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:35, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Snodgrass is willing to chat

Hello, dahling! How do yew dooo! Really, my deah, I am SO happy yew recognized me from across that crowded room. Happy to make your acquaintance. I have no hard feelings of cawse! (We are all in the madcap environment togethah, right?) Toodles! Your new friend, you know, the one who has BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 17:11, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh look, there's that call I've been expecting! Sorry, gotta take this. There are canapes in the fridge. EEng 17:18, 16 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Once more

Editors are warned: communicating with EEng may lead to a gruesome accident. --Tryptofish

Requesting your expertise as it relates to engaging the reader...please see Dax Cowart. I tweaked it a bit and was hoping you could help add the finishing touches for Phase 1 of what appears to be a potential DYK/GA/FA article. Atsme✍🏻📧 02:55, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I know this case (looks like I did some editing myself a year ago) and am happy to help. I assume by now you realize that I'm likely to whittle down the detail a bit. EEng 03:51, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would not expect anything less. The article needs to be encyclopedic but in a way that the prose is engaging. What good is an article that doesn't capture an audience? I know my flaws in relation to this particular article, and I'm quite confident knowing that your exceptional writing ability (example: Phineas Gage) is exactly what the Cowart article needs. Please...perform your magic. There are numerous RS that can be cited. I truly believe the subject of this article is worth the extra mile or two it will take to get it right. Atsme✍🏻📧 04:09, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As you know I specialize in gruesome accidents. EEng 04:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't intend for my ulterior motives to be that obvious. Atsme✍🏻📧 00:20, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nice little Wikipedia article you have there. It would be a pity if anything happened to it. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to have a little protection. Otherwise, something might just get broken. We wouldn't want that to happen, would we? --Tryptofish (talk) 00:29, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Beginning with "a little protection", I've determined that it's much safer to not respond. I've been practicing safe hex. Atsme✍🏻📧 14:21, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nowadays everyone wants to be non-binary. EEng 14:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nah...you must have forgotten. I'm tri-hexual. Atsme✍🏻📧 14:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Words matter

I don’t mind corrections here and there in stable featured articles, but I’m troubled by your words towards other users, which are often contemptuous in tone and on the verge of xenophobic. You shouldn’t go around insulting their language skills, especially when you don’t know their background. You want to help? Help, but don’t overreact. --Lecen (talk) 05:28, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For those playing along at home, we're talking about a series of edits culminating in this one [16] and this one [17].

Well, let's see ... Here's the entirety of the section you think should carry the heading Decadence:

During the 1880s, Brazil continued to prosper and social diversity increased markedly, including the first organized push for women's rights. On the other hand, letters written by Pedro II reveal a man grown world-weary with age and having an increasingly alienated and pessimistic outlook. He remained respectful of his duty and was meticulous in performing the tasks demanded of the imperial office, albeit often without enthusiasm. Because of his increasing "indifference towards the fate of the regime" and his lack of action in support of the imperial system once it was challenged, historians have attributed the "prime, perhaps sole, responsibility" for the dissolution of the monarchy to the Emperor himself.
After their experience of the perils and obstacles of government, the political figures who had arisen during the 1830s saw the Emperor as providing a fundamental source of authority essential for governing and for national survival. These elder statesmen began to die off or retire from government until, by the 1880s, they had almost entirely been replaced by a newer generation of politicians who had no experience of the early years of Pedro II's reign. They had only known a stable administration and prosperity and saw no reason to uphold and defend the imperial office as a unifying force beneficial to the nation. To them Pedro II was merely an old and increasingly sick man who had steadily eroded his position by taking an active role in politics for decades. Before he had been above criticism, but now his every action and inaction prompted meticulous scrutiny and open criticism. Many young politicians had become apathetic toward the monarchic regime and, when the time came, they would do nothing to defend it. Pedro II's achievements went unremembered and unconsidered by the ruling elites. By his very success, the Emperor had made his position seem unnecessary.
The lack of an heir who could feasibly provide a new direction for the nation also diminished the long-term prospects of the Brazilian monarchy. The Emperor loved his daughter Isabel, but he considered the idea of a female successor as antithetical to the role required of Brazil's ruler. He viewed the death of his two sons as being a sign that the Empire was destined to be supplanted. Resistance to accepting a female ruler was also shared by the political establishment. Even though the Constitution allowed female succession to the throne, Brazil was still very traditional, and only a male successor was thought capable as head of state.

While in obsolete usage decadence means a decline of any kind, in modern usage it always connotes moral decay, usually including self-indulgence, and there's no suggestion of anything like that in the text. After three go-rounds on this I guessed that you're not a native speaker of English, and as it turns I was correct.

I have great admiration for Dom Pedro and am glad he's well covered in WP, but featured or not these articles are prolix and repetitive. It's big of you to allow for "corrections here and there", but phrases such as

even taking a train journey solely with his wife

and passages such as

Upon his sons' early deaths, the Emperor's faith in the monarchy's future had evaporated. His trips abroad now made him resentful of the burden destiny had placed upon his shoulders when only a child of five.

show there's more than a little room for improvement. (Among other things, it's hard to imagine destiny as a child of five.)

Oh, and as it happens my boyfriend of 13 years is Brazilian so you can take your xenophobia accusations and stick them up your bunda. EEng 07:57, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

it's hard to imagine destiny as a child of five. My 5 year old has a classmate named Destiny, therefore everything you said here is wrong. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 13:58, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Next you're gonna tell me your daughter's friend has children of her own. EEng 14:07, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm now convinced...the burden solely rests on the shoulders of destiny. Atsme✍🏻📧 14:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If anyone really wants to see decadence, then think of EEng getting a Brazilian. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My boss was standing behind me, looking at my monitors when I accidentally mouseovered that link.
On another note, I actually got a brazillian, once. Just to see what it was like (and to win a bet because, come on, of course there was a bet). I still have nightmares about it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:53, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if I got you into hot water with your boss into trouble at work. If that was how you won the bet, I hate to imagine what the loser had to do! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But the edit summary of your most recent edit at your user talk page is now my favorite edit summary. ;) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:07, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My boss thought it was funny. I was looking at a different monitor, and when he started laughing was when I noticed it. I really should know better than to let this talk page sit in my browser while I'm not paying attention to it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:14, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Manzilian wax Only in death does duty end (talk) 21:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From that page: Hair may be removed from the penis too. I'm wondering whose hair. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:00, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I commend the brave souls willing to suffer that more than once. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

6:00 am inspiration

I think it might be a good idea for those who watch the various MOS pages and are active on their talkpages to stop answering general style questions and instead refer them to the language refdesk. My reasoning is that a lot of the negativity directed towards the MOS and its "regulars" comes from seeing the talkpage of a style guideline being used for answering style questions that are not covered by said guideline. This gives the answers the appearance of consensus-based legitimacy and any critisism of that is, I think, totally valid. The talkpages should be for improvement-based suggestions and clarification of existing guidance. No? I'm sending this to several people so please respond on my talkpage. Thanks. Primergrey (talk) 14:34, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I thought you might appreciate...

Standing on top of sitting. I think the guy (top right) with the tickle toes is a replica of EEng. Atsme✍🏻📧 17:33, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You can't beat been a bit of foot frot can you! (oh sorry, no, am I thinking of something else)? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

this. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I had to thank that edit just for the sheer absurdity of it. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:09, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if he did become chairman the caption could read "Guy Standing in the chair". EEng 16:27, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Or "Guy Standing in the "Stand Up..." chair. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's outrageous. I wouldn't take an edit like that sitting down, if I were you! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, but will he leave the post in good standing? Bellezzasolo Discuss 17:43, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's my understanding. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Custard's last stand (and see also: Freud's first slip).
For the sake of brevity...Standing, he rose to the occasion. (I shudder to think where this might lead us). Atsme✍🏻📧 18:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Custer's Last Stand (allegedly). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 19 February 2019 (UTC) [reply]

Why do you believe this?

May I please know why think like this of User:EEng#EEng's half-serious list of topics on which WP should just drop all coverage as not worth the drama? Do you think these are against WP:GNG? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 20:04, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Because we get an inordinate amount of traffic at ANI on these topics. As an ideal, Wikipedia treats all knowledge as worthy, but after the 100th weekly ANI thread asking the community to referee some stupid argument emanating from the "pro" wrestling walled garden, I'm bound to ask whether the loss to humanity if we simply didn't cover all those idiotic "matches" isn't outweighed by the gain in freeing editor time for building content in other topic areas. EEng 20:15, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Whether you like it or not, it's not gonna happen. Don't you think you should try to look for patterns of where these conflicts come from? Maybe just alternatively over protect those pages to avoid disruption? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 20:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Whether you like it or not, it's not gonna happen – <rolls eyes> What part of "half-serious list" do you not understand? EEng 21:11, 23 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Audio to go with your 🙄. Atsme✍🏻📧 02:48, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is it too early to set up a sweepstake over how long it's going to be before somebody blocks ImmortalWizard? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:02, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Richie333: a block for this comment? No. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 12:09, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, not for this comment, but if you carry on inserting yourself into conversations and being a bit of a pest, chances are eventually some admin's patience will snap. I don't suspect you'd be blocked for very long, and it would probably be overturned quickly, but still .... Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Ritchie333: that has nothing to do with this page or EEng. If you want, come to my talk page instead. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 12:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But, ImmortalWizard, it does have to do with your bouncing around making odd comments in random places about things you don't know anything about, and often misunderstanding the thing you're reacting to (witness this thread). Multiple people (here and at ANI) have been gently suggesting that your time at ANI would be better spent elsewhere. You are a relatively new user, and ANI is not a healthy place for anyone, most especially those without a lot of experience on the project. EEng 17:53, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Me bouncing around does not have to do anything with ANI. I just wanted insight to your peculiar opinion. Am I the only one who stalks your userpage and make a comment about something? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, I am a member of WP:PW which I know much about. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:58, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That counts as knowing much about nothing. EEng 21:36, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Inspiration is not striking

Can anyone give me a good DYK hook for Nickey Barclay? There must be some way of linking Fanny and Barbra Streisand in a humorous way; I just can't see it yet. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gosh, I'm drawing a blank as well. Sorry. EEng 18:48, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't come up with anything particularly good either. I don't think any puns on "fanny" would be a good idea, especially with BLP. Might be best to go with "...that musician Nickey Barclay collaborated with..." and list some of the famous names. By the way, there are a lot of duplicate links. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:11, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think any puns on "fanny" would be a good idea – Why, because Barbra Streisand might sue us to keep people from knowing about it? EEng 01:44, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
True, I've been proven wrong, or at least unfunny. I'm glad to see that I inspired some better ideas. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:40, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ritchie333 - I got it!! Barbra Streisand had Nickey Barclay’s Fanny on the album, Stoney End. Atsme✍🏻📧 23:07, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Good work! I must be off my game today. Let me sharpen it a bit:
... that one of Barbra Streisand's albums has Nickey Barclay’s Fanny on it?
EEng 01:44, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Brevity is the soul of wit. Atsme✍🏻📧 02:29, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There are ENGVAR versions of "fanny" east of the Atlantic which make the hooks more risqué than in the Americas. Not necessarily a showstopper, but something to be aware of. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 04:24, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The more risque the better, I always say. Happy to give those uptight Brits a thrill. EEng 04:41, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone with ... that two of Barbra Streisand's albums have some Fanny on them? Incidentally, a few years back there was an ANI thread where a bunch of IPs were edit-warring on Streisand's main article and calling anyone who disagreed with them a "Barbra hater" but I can't find it now. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:17, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If that's what you're happy with, then suggest moving the wlink as "... some Fanny ...". - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 11:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was hoping you might consider some form of organized classification system in the Museum - easy to remember key word searches at the top of the page, and possibly use anchors? Just a thought. I was wondering what section I might look to find a situation where someone is ridiculing another for making a mistake but then makes a bigger mistake when correcting it. Atsme✍🏻📧 00:31, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Perhaps you're looking for WP:TARAGESLAW2. As for a classification system, you mean like the Library of Congress system, something like
    AA - Sarcasm, personal
    AB - Sarcasm, topical
    AT - Sarcasm, theory and techniques
    AZ - Sarcasm not otherwise classified
    BA - Beatdowns, ANI
    BB - Beatdowns, they were begging for it
    BE - Beatdowns, editsummary
    BT - Beatdowns, talkpage
--? Or were you thinking of something more like an index in a book? EEng 01:08, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing complex. Just easy to remember keywords - example above would have keywords like errors, mistakes, blunders, humiliation, ridicule, etc. The keywords would fit in the 1st line under the section title. That would allow for a "find" operation. Atsme✍🏻📧 01:17, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I hadn't realize this page was such a resource for others. Well, let's think about it. BTW you'll see some anchors if you open in edit mode. EEng 01:27, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I confused what you guys talking about? Subliminal metaphor about a wikipedia topic. Atsme approached argument different than I did. More than one way to get the right answer. Brian Everlasting (talk) 22:26, 28 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes one simply doesn't know what to say

...and so one posts a picture. I thought you might enjoy these. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 05:57, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Your contribution will be used to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. [18] EEng 06:35, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hurrah! I'm honoured. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 07:51, 5 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No rocks here!

This just blew in on the slush pile and I thought it would raise a smile if I reposted it here.

"Dumber than a rock in a toothpick Factory" ie; this is a phrase that was created by myself for saying that someone is unintelligent; not smart; uneducated. this phrase can be used as an insult or a derogatory remark. Use this saying with caution as it will offend and hurt feelings. In fact it could even cause lasting pain an turmoil if not used with extreme caution. But if used in good company this could cause laughter and hilarity and may even cause a peeing incident. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:56, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but peeing incidents are unacceptable, unless...by design. I have also concluded that EEng's TP may well be the only true "safe place" to say what one thinks, depending on one's perspective, of course. Atsme 👂🏻 📧 19:03, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand the rock-toothpick imagery. EEng 19:17, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also a bit confused by that imagery. In fact, isn't that draft a bit like the opposite of that old saying: "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"? SemiHypercube 15:50, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's supposed to say Denser than a rock in the toothpick factory. The idea being that the density of a rock would stand out against a group of toothpicks in uniform density. In which case it should be "relatively denser". Or perhaps it just sounds silly, and trying to get a discussion out of it here is dumber than a rock in the toothpick factory. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:18, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hapless nominator: "Oh no!! What have you done to Grandma?!!"
Gleeful closer: "That's the last time she runs for RfA!!"
Personally I would have gone with "blunter than a rock in the toothpick factory". But then folks have often said that I'm "one slab short of a full patio." Martinevans123 (talk) 10:24, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how to get this video to open at 2:18. ^_^ Atsme 📣 📧 16:32, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Going to the other end of the spectrum, let's start a "vivid folksy imagery" contest. Here's my favorite:
    There hasn't been so much excitement around here since grandma got her tit caught in the wringer!
EEng 16:43, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that was Auntie Mabel? —David Eppstein (talk) 00:23, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

And here I was expecting Dick Cheney or Andy Dick. RickinBaltimore (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

After
Before
You mean here [19]? I prefer Dick Classic. EEng 21:09, 8 March 2019 (UTC) That Andy Dick guy looks like Anderson Cooper after a few years on meth.[reply]
I will never unsee that now. RickinBaltimore (talk) 21:22, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Better than your average bear. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:51, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Aaron Molyneaux Hewlett

Hi there -- I'm afraid I don't totally understand the message you left on my talk page. If there are issues with the sourcing I'm more likely to leave this article as-is and just aim for some other DYK options in the future. It would be super helpful if someone could look at whatever is in the actual print archive at Harvard because I think there is some primary source stuff there that might allow me to cut out Family Search as a source entirely which would be great. Jessamyn (talk) 19:50, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jessamyn: I have a soft spot for nonacademic Harvard staff (see Charles Apted andn [20]) because they're usually characters. I've tagged some of the sources for further improvement. Not for a while, but sometime in the future I'll pull up his material at Harvard Archives and see what we can do with that material. Ping me in a few months if I haven't done it yet. When we've done all we can we can get a WP:Good article review and thence to DYK, for which there are a number of good hooks -- and the photo with his equipment, cropped a bit, would be good on the main page. EEng 21:18, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I forgot to add a section header

Saw this and it reminded me of you. Well, one bit did. I'll leave it to your readership to decide for themselves which bit. nagualdesign 16:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

all of these discussions are old, and don...

...'t need to be on my talk page anymore.

My typing is not as accurate as I'd like, and sometimes I hit the enter key when I meant to hit an apostrophe (maybe I'll hack together some custom Javascript so it doesn't post an edit when I press enter in the edit summary box; it doesn't do it in the main edit box after all.)

Hey EEng! I've just returned, but I've noticed a hundred or so edits while I was on my hiatus, but I decided to give myself some time away from the wiki to reflect. I've planned them in .txt documents, and I'll be back and post them after I get them organized. I haven't lost my passion yet! Hopefully I've got a bit more sense now.

But I must sincerely thank you. E to the Pi times i (talk | contribs) 00:09, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

toc

Scrolling through your talk page discussions, I was wondering why has everyone left only section headings on your talk page – and then I realised that was just the toc :D Has anyone asked you ever to consider archiving your table of contents because they took a long time scrolling to the bott? (No, I'm not asking you to do that) :D Lourdes 01:25, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

First time anyone's mentioned it. ;P BTW, there's a "JUMP TO BOTTOM" button at the top of the page. EEng 01:39, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One time I accidentally clicked on EEng's talk page on my mobile. Luckily I was able to throw the phone a safe distance before it exploded. Levivich 02:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's only 1941 kB of pure fun. Atsme 📣 📧 03:02, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, archive your talk page! It's reaching ridiculous DGG-lengths. Liz Read! Talk! 04:13, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

No not Luke's dad. I wanted to make you aware of this thread Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Incivility from EEng since the person who started it failed to do so. MarnetteD|Talk 03:57, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ANI notice

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard regarding incivility at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#MOS:GENDERID_and_death. The thread is Incivility_from_EEng. .

I don't know what the history is there, but you're not being constructive in that discussion. Nblund talk 03:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

March 2019

Information icon Hello, I'm Liz. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style that didn't seem very civil. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. This feuding between you and Fae has to stop tonight before it goes too far. Please refrain from responding to bait. Liz Read! Talk! 04:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notification

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, because there are only three separate notification sections above and you might not have noticed them all, but it seems that some people want to notify you about something that I'm sure might have been important but the thread has already closed. Maybe it was on AN, or ANI, or one of those places. Anyway, consider yourself notified of the notifications. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:20, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Roger, Roger. EEng 10:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another notification

I don't know whether it's a policy change or new convention, but I'm just writing here to notify you I've posted on your talk page. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:29, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please send my your address so I can have you strangled. Thank you for your cooperation. EEng 21:47, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Buddhist notification

There is. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:47, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:The NeuroGenderings Network. Legobot (talk) 04:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You have an unerring instinct for starting trouble, Legobot. EEng 09:31, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to archive your talk page

WP:ARCHIVE. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:56, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I'd never heard of this "archiving" concept before. EEng 21:01, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Theresa May may want to resign. Donald Trump may want to remove his hand from the "send tweet" button and engage brain before posting. However, we can't always get what we want. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 21:27, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe Trump will declare my talk page a national emergency. EEng 21:46, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Does no one notice this irony: one of the things that makes your talk page so big, is all the notes from people complaining that your talk page is too big? (BTW the reason you were graced with a custom "archive this" notice instead of a template is because the user got a lot of grief for templating me to archive my talk page. Even though mine is a tiny seedling compared to your magnificent tree here.) -- MelanieN (talk) 22:49, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Hey you Mexican kids, get off my 1,000 mile long lawn!!" --President James. K. Veto (too late for Talk) 23:12, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

What I want to know is why do your talk page archives cap out at under 100 threads but your main talk page is 300+? This is completely backwards and against all conventions of decency. It's like you're thumbing your nose at the universe. Levivich 16:22, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am very grateful for your explanation. Thank you :-) Vikom (talk) 04:43, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You caught me in a good mood. EEng 04:58, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The following continues a conversation begun at User talk:AndrewFeld:

If my grandfather had killed himself, that wouldn't bother me in the least. He died 25 years before I was born. I couldn't care less if he died by autoerotic asphyxiation, Russian roulette, eating Tide pods, falling off a cliff while taking a selfie, or by shooting himself in the heart. What bothers me is that after many years of speaking with people who knew Milman Parry, including Albert Lord, I have been told repeatedly that a) no one who knew him considered suicide a possibility b) there is no evidence that he killed himself (no note, etc.) and c) the basis for the theories about his suicide (that he had been denied promotion at Harvard) have been disproved. I assumed that in editing a Wikipedia page, it was important to remove unfounded speculation and errors. Perhaps I was wrong. Although I do wonder at your need to keep this rumor alive. Perhaps you're just generally pro-gossip?

Oh--and I'm sorry that your section leader in Albert's class was an idiot. You should have told Lord at the time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewFeld (talkcontribs) 00:13, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You're right that Wikipedia strives to avoid unfounded speculation and errors, but what we count as founded is tied to what reliable sources tell us. As you implicitly acknowledge, the idea that Milman Parry may have killed himself is a common one, and since there are sources mentioning the possibility the article cannot simply ignore it.
Of course I would very much like to see the treatment of this point improved, but that can only happen if we have more sources, and I haven't been able to find any on my own. Your personal knowledge we can't use, unfortunately – I'm sure you understand. But I'll tell you what, I'll contact some classicists I know to see if they can point me to something. If you know of any sources, please do say. EEng 01:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. A biography of Milman Parry is currently in the works, by Robert Kanigel, and an article about his death, by Steven Reece, will be published in the journal, Oral Tradition, this Spring, so there will soon be a great deal of new information available about Milman Parry's life, and his death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewFeld (talkcontribs) 01:41, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well why didn't you say so? I'm sure those new sources will allow us to give this point the high-quality treatment it deserves. So I can attend to that as soon as possible, please drop me a message here the moment either source becomes available. EEng 02:10, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing ANI question

Why would removing a valid comment to any editor requesting edit summary comments need to be let go? I actually want an answer as to why deleting someone else's talk page request should be considered acceptable.

When did no discussing become an acceptable behaviour on Wikipedia: both from editors and admins? Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:23, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An IP with an extensive contribution history and long user talk page makes one edit without an edit summary, and you go leaving them a warning? WTF? When Serial Number removed your warning, that should have tipped you off to the fact that you were off base. EEng 23:53, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Do you?

I am running into a problem again at DYK and trying to get in another entry for April 1st. I know the holiday is also dear to you. See Susan Montgomery Williams. Best Regards, Barbara 23:47, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Devin Nunes

Hey EEng, per the policy on content requiring inline citations and per WP:BLP (etc.) you can't call Devin Nunes an idiot based on the source you provided (which seems to be broken, btw). Please change "idiot" to "dumb asshole" per this source. Cheers. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:24, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ivanvector - the source you cited is also an excellent example for Streisand effect per: @DevinCow has jumped from having around 1,000 followers when the suit was filed to over 134,000 since the time of this writing. Atsme Talk 📧 14:36, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DevinCow must be over the moon about that. EEng 18:35, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

April 2019

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This is what a joke looks like.
You have been blocked from editing for a period of one picosecond. Once the block has expired, your peers are welcome to make slightly more useful contributions.
In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been dunked on. If you think there are literally any reasons for being unblocked, nevermind.

Cards84664 (talk) 21:39, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, please...it's too difficult to separate the April fools day blocks from the real ones. They get lost in the latter. Atsme Talk 📧 00:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

When is it safe?

Is it safe to presume the biological gender of a certain IP based on their edit summary? Atsme Talk 📧 03:36, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ask Fae. EEng 17:12, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Block quotations

Re "if you'll tell me what to use instead of {quote box} I'll be happy to start using it": MOS:BQ covers this already; use {{Quote}}] unless there's some really, really compelling reason not to. If you're sure there is, then I suppose pick any template from Category:Quotation templates, other than {{Quote box}} with it's inconsistent attribution formatting, or the pull-quote ones that use decorative giant quotation marks. Several have placement and other layout options. Seriously, though, more than 99% (quite literally) of instances of {{Quote box}} and other "decorative" quotation framing templates in articles are misuses and should be converted to plain {{Quote}}. I did a cleanup spree a while back (about 150 articles, before I got worn out), and of those only one single case was using such a template in a manner appropriate for an encyclopedia (and it not for a quotation in the usual sense, but an image-like presentation of an entire short statement, kind of a "document in a box" (and the section was about the document, so the function served was that of an illustration). In every other case it was either pointless decoration of block quotations, abuse of magazine-style pull quotes, or WP:UNDUE-violating over-focus on some particular party's quoted statements. There are thousands of quote-template misuses like this in mainspace, and I expect the ratio to hold, since the ones I dealt with were completely random selections. I find that when I do cleanup of them, the reversion rate back to something decorative is also around 1%. Someone back in 2007 or whene ever just felt like decorating, and no one else cares.

This is one of the reasons I want to get most of these templates re-coded to do nothing in mainspace but emit the same code as {{Quote}}. This would auto-fix most of our quotation problems (though not the UNDUE ones, nor our rare instances of real but inappropriate pull-quoting). But {{Quote box}} having inconsistent formatting would have to be fixed first.

I've said it before many times: If people are convinced that our normal and traditional block-quotation style is somehow sub-par for a 2019+ online publication, they're free to propose a replacement style. They're not free to go inject whatever weird quotation formatting "magic" they like at their own blog (WP:NOT#WEBHOST, and we do have a our own MoS for a reason). I've already successfully TfDed some experiments of that sort (e.g. ones that looked a lot like {{Talk quote block}}, with a dark vertical bar on the left, a style borrowed from threaded message boards and some e-mail programs like Eudora, but virtually never found in print or print-mimicking material).

I'm sure you understand all of this, but I'm laying it out in detail for your TP stalkers.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  05:49, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tell me what template to use on these: Phineas_Gage#Exaggeration_and_distortion_of_mental_changes; Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_1:_Presidential_succession; Memorial_Hall_(Harvard_University)#Conception_and_construction. And please don't tell me they should be regular block quotes (though secretly I'm hoping you will so I can argue with you about it). EEng 17:22, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Phineas Gage article (about which I care) is turning into a train wreck. Those definitely should be block quotations, integrated with context into the material. The current presentation is "magazine style, on crack", filtered through "my first blog" sensibilities of how to present information. Just awful. The urge to begin a section with a quotation is a magazine "feature writer" impulse that needs to be strongly resisted in encyclopedia writing. We have no need to "hook" readers. We don't care how long their eyeballs are on the page, and we aren't weaving a dancing narrative for them, just providing information that they can use how and in whatever portion they desire. The 25th Am. page looks fine. These are really being presented as document fragments for analysis, not quotations in the usual sense. Here, it actually makes sense to lead the sections with this material (for reasons completely unrelated to why people want to do so with "juicy" personal or organizational quotations, magazine-style – sometimes called "quotoids" when they're not technically pull quotes, i.e. not repeated in the main text). Here, the mis-coding of {{Quote box}} isn't really an issue, since its inconsistent attribution code is not being used. However, the "safe" replacement template is {{Quote frame}}. I may just propose merging the former to the latter, though it'll take a bot or something to fix all the attribution. It might not even be bottable. (Bot would have to look for every possible combination of dash and hyphen encoding, with and without spacing also encoded in various ways, and strip it from the attribution parameters before changing the template call to point to {{quote frame}}.) The Harvard case is also unencyclopedic, magazine-style use of "quotoids", which should be integrated into the prose, with context. The present display looks reasonable, but is poorly coded (it's using <br /> as a layout tool, etc.). If there were consensus to retain this as a sidebar, I suppose it's not fatally bad, but should probably be done in some custom <div>...</div>, because presently is's marking up the entire content, including attribution and citations, as quoted material, which is wrong. That template isn't a general layout tool, it's something that emits quotation markup around whatever content it is told is a quotation. PS: I just did another random cleanup run on the results returned by "What links here" for one of the decorative quote templates, and out of 20-ish cases that showed up in the first page of results in mainspace, 0% were appropriate. They were all either normal block quotes that should be in {{quote}}, or they were non-encyclopedic, magazine-style pull quotes.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  08:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC); copyedited 04:48, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm interested in We don't care how long their eyeballs are on the page – Really? We don't care whether the reader thinks, "I don't know where this is going -- I guess I'll just quit" versus "Wow, I'm gonna learn something interesting from this article/section. Tell me!"? EEng 15:09, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think you know what I mean. We wouldn't have an MoS, Writing Better Articles, WP:NOT, and all these policies on producing proper enc. content if we didn't care whether readers could understand the material (as to both wording and logical arrangement), or care whether they believed it was accurate and worth reading. But we don't use visual, emotive, lead-burying, teasing, ambiguous, and other psychological trickery to try to steer and latch onto reader attention (we do pretty much the opposite, using plain and detached English, and providing links that help get them to what they're most interested in, which may be nothing at the current page after all). There's a big difference between a sensible article flow (and ToC), versus trying to cajole, shock, amuse, mystify, or otherwise lead the reader around manipulatively (which is actually a subtle form of WP:SYNTH, weaving a "can you believe it?!" narrative from bare facts, the connections between which really have to come from sources, not from our own editorial perspective). Decorative quotations almost always serve such an unencyclopedic purpose (and are a technique borrowed ultimately from fiction, as foreshadowing or plot twist depending on the quote and its relation to the rest of the material).

The only exceptions I regularly see are document snippets for analysis, as in the 25th Am. case, and actually famous quotations, like the opening of MLK's "I have a dream" speech, that are part of the subject of our own article. The ultimate solution may be to fork specific templates for these with separate documentation (e.g. so it's clear that using {{Famous quote}} for a non-famous quote can be reverted), and have all other quote templates just emit blockquote markup if used in mainspace. I mean really, if the only difference between a section starting with an out-of-context quotation (a non sequitur, and most often some form of teaser) in case A and case B is that in case B it's got a box around it and is moved rightward, then the problem and solution are clear. Any random editor would fix the first case, without the box, by either providing context or moving it to where the already-provided context is (or removing it if inappropriate for reasons like UNDUE or because it's actual, redundant pull quote). Our fix-it impulse often gets a bit short-circuited when people box quotations, because we've become desensitized to them by magazines and tabloid journalism using pull quotes and other forms of teaser (which most of us probably actually ignore, having also self-trained to avoid big flashy noise on the page as usually advertising). But it's still the same non-encyclopedic article content flow. This will be especially apparent to users of screen readers, and anyone else not using our default CSS and JavaScript (which is where that boxing layout comes from); quotoids are also a WP:ACCESS and WP:REUSE problem. Basically, a WP article needs to make perfect sense if you copy-paste its text into a plain text editor without any formatting left other than line-breaks. With quotations in particular, this demonstrates why introductory contextual material identifying it as a quotation is important, because it'll lose its indentation when used as raw text.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  04:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion continued below

SMcCandlish – Followup: It doesn't look like {quote frame} can substitute, because there doesn't seem to be any way to control the width of the box. I'd still like to hear your response to my point just above here. EEng 03:25, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. All the parameters of {{Quote box}} should just be ported over to {{Quote frame}} for merger.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  04:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I hate to say it but it still looks awful, at least because (a) there's too little margin between the box and adjacent text and (b) the text looks like it's at 100%, where I'd expect 90% (and 90%, IMHO, looks way better). EEng 05:17, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Continued discussion re quote boxes

OK, let's take an isolated example, involving a subject with whom I suspect you're familiar. What do you think of the boxed quotation at Herb_Caen#Honors? Do you really think it would do its job better if run into the text as a block quote, introduced by something like At the ceremony, Caen said to the crowd: ? EEng 05:17, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I presume this is a joke

[21]. I did chuckle a little. --Jayron32 13:36, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No joke. Coy circumlocutions for boomerangs are verboten. You're right on the edge. EEng 13:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dude, I crossed the edge years ago. If you're only getting to the edge now, you've got some catching up to do. --Jayron32 14:22, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Upage

Hi, I appreciate the nice humor on your pages. But I noticed the picture of Donald Trump, and the picture further down of a finger with text about Donald Trump, However I would like to point out that the pictures and the captions of Trump were offensive to me, and could be too with other users. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:52, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ASL for Donald Trump... "my button's bigger than your button"
I take it you're talking about images such as the ones shown here.
Donald Trump with shithole in open position
The holidays are almost upon us... Treason's Greetings!
What Trump looks like when the virtual reality projector is turned off

I appreciate the friendliness of your message, but predict that in five years you will be wondering how you could have ever found such things even remarkable. EEng 03:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The "virtual reality projector turned off" image is quite clearly a picture of Reggie Perrin's mother in law. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:15, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image

Hope you don't mind, but I removed the porta potty image from the ANI thread with my name in it. I don't feel it's fair for the thread which is about me to have this image in it, and could have an effect of subtly serving to portray me in a negative manner. Hope you understand. North America1000 09:57, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oversensitive. EEng 10:10, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A quickie

A peek at EEng's research. Atsme Talk 📧

FYI...if you had clicked on pointy in the caption of my Madonna picture at ANI you would have had a conical experience...or perhaps you did. I tried to find a similar image at Commons but never thought to keyword "cone". Good find. =b Atsme Talk 📧 02:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Conical, comical -- I get it! My 9-y.o. nephew, who has been learning about polygons in school, told me a joke last week. "I was taking the bus to Harvard SQUARE but I got lost because I got on the RHOMBUS. Get it? WRONG BUS." My nephew's wicked smaht. EEng 03:04, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A funny bone tickler indeed, although not my intended joke. Atsme Talk 📧 22:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MOSNUM date ranges

Based on your edit comment when you reverted my edit, I did not realize that you made other changes. I apologize for reverting the rest of your edit. I don't understand what you mean by "please leave this near the bottom of the pile".—Finell 19:42, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that the note about word-or-dash-but-not-both belongs near the end of the list of bulletpoints, not first. EEng 22:03, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wow

Your userpage. 108.26.206.64 (talk) 00:54, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I get that a lot. EEng 00:56, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor
Thanks for all you do here on Wikipedia! Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 23:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Thegooduser, I appreciate it! EEng 14:11, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The other thing I LOVE about your page and talk page, is that it kills my 2.4G network, and I need to use 5G network in order to avoid kills to my wifi :-P --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:51, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(orange butt icon Buttinsky) I just read "kills my 2.4G" and it reminded me that I forgot to share this link with you, EEng - it's the companion to "clean underwear" in the Museum of I Shouldn't Laugh but I Did. Atsme Talk 📧 21:19, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't 2.4G some sort of bra size? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Airport malaria and portraits of the Queen

When you (and your merry band of talk page stalkers) have a mo, could you nip over to User talk:Whispyhistory#Flies and mosquitoes and suggest some fun hooks for airport malaria and Queen Elizabeth II (painting). Please excuse me from not having a sense of humour today, I have chronic ANI fatigue. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Refer to EEng's research in the image above. Atsme Talk 📧 22:49, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor
Thank you for your ideas and attitude Whispyhistory (talk) 22:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notre-Dame de Paris fire: Difference between revisions

You make me laugh ~ mitch ~ Mitchellhobbs (talk) 01:13, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vive la différence! EEng 01:24, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Notre-Dame_de_Paris_fire&diff=next&oldid=893358254 Revision as of 20:57, 20 April 2019 EEng
I was just seeing if you were paying attention I knew it wouldn't lasted long Mitchellhobbs (talk) 22:48, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think the IP is preoccupied with making images in a vertical stack all have the same width, which is a good thing in general, especially when they're vertically adjacent, but not so important if there's substantial distance between them. IAnyway, it's OK either way -- too early to spend much time on layout because the article will grow a lot over the next few weeks and then it will become clearer where to place the images. See my comment here [22]. EEng 18:58, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A fitting tribute on Good Friday, perchance.

Protector from Heretical Pareidolia
You saved us from misinterpreting the fires of Notre Dame.

Herewith, you receive the Map of France.
Or you can see O'Keefe, Kevin (January 21, 2013). "Beeville Man Sees Jesus in Breakfast Taco". Texas Monthly. Retrieved April 19, 2019. Ernesto Garza said that the image of the Christian Messiah in his tortilla was "a miracle."
Remember: don't eat the Icon.

7&6=thirteen () 19:01, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I note you are still on patrol. 7&6=thirteen () 01:41, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you know how I get once I taste blood. EEng 01:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"...merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy, nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams." --Thomas Jefferson

I could not help[Citation Needed] noticing that your so-called "User Page"[23] mentions a "Cabal".[24]


There Is No Cabal (TINC). We discussed this at the last Cabal meeting, and everyone agreed that There Is No Cabal. An announcement was made in Cabalist: The Official Newsletter of The Cabal making it clear that There Is No Cabal. The words "There Is No Cabal" are in ten-foot letters on the side of the 42-story International Cabal Headquarters, and an announcement that There Is No Cabal is shown at the start of every program on The Cabal Network. If that doesn't convince people that There Is No Cabal, I don't know what will.


BTW, here is the source for the Jefferson quote above:[25] --Guy Macon (talk) 03:58, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

coach

Re [26] - [27]. -- Netoholic @ 10:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Should all instances of 'tbd' in this article be changed to 'TBD'?

Hi, in the article List of aircraft carriers in service, the abbreviation 'tbd' is always used with all lowercase letters, instead of 'TBD' in all caps. They can be seen in the Carriers ordered and Other planned carriers sections. I propose changing them all to 'TBD' as this form is much more commonly used and is widely considered the correct format. JACKINTHEBOXTALK 13:00, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So, changing tbd to TBD is Tbd? --A D Monroe III(talk) 17:28, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That remains to be seen. In answer to the OP's query: personally I'd use all caps, but if there's resistance to change I don't expect this is a hill worth dying on. EEng 19:17, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Those are now much improved. To be honest, I'm slightly annoyed at how quickly you were able to improve them, and by how much, but I'll take solace in taking full credit. Re the lawyer one: I think it's a good punchline, but the set-up feels contrived. The idea is the lawyer keeps "appealing" until he gets to the constitution, which he edits. Maybe he should go to different courts? Maybe it should start with the jury being polled and "not a vote"? Maybe the whole joke should be much shorter? Levivich 03:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well I wasn't planning to get into it, but since we're here I'll tell you what I think needs doing in that joke, though it's not a coherent plan. A successful joke must incorporate some kind of incongruity in the punchline, usually (though not universally) in the form of a reversal or change of point of view. This is partly why jokes so often have three parts: two set a pattern, direction, or point of view, and the third breaks the pattern or reverses the direction. (The desert island / raft joke breaks the "3" mold, but that's OK because part of the joke is the tedious multiple chances we give vandals.) Now I think the right thing to do in the lawyer joke might be to have the judge do all the citing of shortcuts (to set the pattern) and then at the end the lawyer rewrites the book or something and invokes ANYONECANEDIT, thus turning the tables. I don't have the details worked out, and honestly it's a tricky story to sustain unless the ripostes are truly bang-on to the various shortcuts that get cited, but I think that's the right framework. Having said that, the opening call by the lawyer to REVERT the verdict is the best line of the joke, and I don't see offhand how to put that into the mouth of the judge. EEng 03:31, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What if they both cite shortcuts. What do you think of this, quick and dirty:
Jury: Guilty
Lawyer: WP:Revert
Judge: WP:0RR, the jury is sending your client to jail
Lawyer: WP:Move review
Judge: affirms WP:Consensus
Lawyer: (Notavote? IAR?)
Judge: WP:PAGs
Lawyer: {{citation needed}}
Judge: shows him the book
Lawyer: WP:ANYONECANEDIT
Alternate ending: the defendant edits the book and cites ANYONECANEDIT Levivich 20:38, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that has possibilities, because half of essays and PAGs have a corresponding essay or PAG that tends to say the opposite. They're not all coming to mind though. Here's something:

Jury: The result of the discussion was delete. (Jailify? Levivich)
Lawyer: Poll the jury?
Judge: WP:NOTAVOTE
Lawyer: Rv?
Judge: 0RR
Lawyer: DRV?
Judge: FORUMSHOPPING
Lawyer: IAR? (CONSENSUSCANCHANGE? Levivich)
Judge: DROPTHESTICK
Lawyer: [...something...]
Judge: [...something...]
Lawyer: [...something about editing a PAG...] WP:ANYONECANEDIT
Defendant: <bolting for the door> WP:Wikipedia does not need me

EEng 22:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I like it! Some suggestions above and also: WP:TTR/WP:DTTR, WP:NORUSH/WP:NOW, WP:SPADE/WP:NOSPADE Levivich 00:41, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I like jailify. You take it from here. Let me know when you're ready for me to look again. EEng 00:47, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Has the jury reached a verdict?" the judge asks.
"Yes, your honor," the jury foremanperson replies. "The result of the discussion was jailify."
The wikilawyer jumped from his chair. "NOTAVOTE!" The judge shakes her head, "CONSENSUS has been reached."
"REVERT!" exclaims the wikilawyer. The judge shakes her head, "0RR."
"DRV!" the wikilawyer demands. The judge shakes her head, "No FORUMSHOPPING."
"There is NORUSH!" argues the wikilawyer. The judge shakes her head, "The deadline is NOW."
"DTTR!" the wikilawyer asserts. The judge shakes her head, "TTR."
"NOSPADE!" pleads the wikilawyer. The judge shakes her head, "SPADE."
"IAR!" the wikilawyer shouts. The judge shakes her head, "DROPTHESTICK."
"NOTBUREAUCRACY!" retorts the wikilawyer. The judge shakes her head and points to a book on her desk, "PAGs."
The wikilawyer grabs the book and tears out all the pages. "ANYONECANEDIT!" he cackles.
"BLOCK!" orders the judge. The court officers to take the wikilawyer into custody.
Seeing the officers occupied, the defendant bolts for the door, yelling, "WP:Wikipedia does not need me!" Levivich 02:27, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty good, Levivich. I think you've pulled it off for this month. But in the future I think it's a bad idea to commit in advance to producing a humor column. I'd suggest making it an "occasional feature", so that when it's ready it's ready. I must say I admire your ability to produce stuff on deadline. I certainly can't do that. EEng 03:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"...if you display any knowledge of our products we'll fire you" made me LOL. Thanks! Do you think you could like, you know... check my contribs every day and just follow behind me and improve everything I do? Can I send you some work emails to look at before I send them out? Levivich 20:44, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good sir, this has gone too far

Talk about "distorted". Eman235/talk 11:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

TILT! EEng 15:26, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Some gravestones for you!

Seeing as the world's most petulant grave sparked off an almighty thread about sewer lions, have a couple more oddities I found while transferring assorted clutter to Commons from the smouldering wreckage of Flickr. Zoom in to read the inscriptions. ‑ Iridescent 17:21, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Your contribution has been duly entered in the Great Register. EEng 17:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • A complaint about that M2HSS section (well, aside from the one about your support for that crank who demanded it be retitled away from "list of…" because it needed a standalone article and then never bothered to actually write said article, so we're now left with an "article" that has no text whatsoever other than the existing brief summary of the parent article); the quaint identification of the actors' stations in life wasn't some kind of quaint Victorian snobbery, but was done very explicitly by Watts to make it clear that people from all walks of life were equally capable of doing good deeds—a very radical sentiment for the time, when the two main schools of thought were one-nation toryism ("well-educated people have a duty to do great deeds, because the great unwashed are too stupid to do them for themselves") or proto-socialism ("the rich are all crooked and in it for themselves or they wouldn't be rich, so only the poor are capable of decency"). I do keep meaning to get around to doing Watts's biography—he was a fascinating character who pretty much invented radical chic a century early, as well as the guy who Barack Obama cites as his reason for entering politics (all that "Hope" stuff was explicitly a reference to Hope (painting), even if hardly anyone got the reference)—but that's another of those articles that's in such a poor state it would need a complete nuke-and-rewrite and consequently treading on multiple toes. ‑ Iridescent 16:14, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I've never been a fan of the article–list distinction anyway, but I will eagerly support you in whatever reform you propose on that score. If you need any help getting obscure sources on Watts (there certainly are a lot) let me know.
I did not know about Hope -- interesting. EEng 17:05, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have a lot more stacked up to do before I even consider Watts (although I may do some of the more interesting paintings; at the moment we have an odd situation where Hope, Mammon and After the Deluge are at FA quality and everything else is a redlink). If I go back to doing biographies (I don't really like writing them) Zachariah Pearson and Albert Joseph Moore, two Victorian chancers who deserve better coverage than their current atrocious articles, will probably be next.
It's not the article/list distinction that's the issue; it's the fact that the list was intentionally on a subpage so people wanting to read about it would be directed to the page that actually has the story of the monument on it (the histories of the park and the memorial are inseparable, as the former was created to accommodate the latter), but because the redirect has been deleted and the list moved over it, anyone searching for the memorial (thanks to Closer there's a slow but steady stream) now lands directly on the list subpage and assumes that Wikipedia doesn't have anything to say about the topic. ‑ Iridescent 17:36, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm always ready to help. I can get just about anything with no trouble. EEng 17:48, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'll see your almost everything and raise you everything, with a backstop for those oddities that don't make it into copyright libraries. The South East may be filthy, overcrowded and eye-poppingly expensive, but it has certain advantages. ‑ Iridescent 17:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Meanwhile I have to rely on Nationallizenzen and Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library as I seldom get time to go in a library and the topics I write about are usually better covered in academic journals. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 18:02, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Jo-Jo Eumerus, my offer extends to you too. EEng 23:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Maybe I'll ask for something in the future. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 06:23, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well please don't ask in the past. EEng 12:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well I visualized this not as a competition, but rather a teaming of complementary collections (British and American). Since I'm at Harvard several times a week it's especially convenient for me, and their stacks are open so I can skim unlimited numbers books and journals for relevant material. Two other points: I wonder if your relationship with BL gives you online access to all their journals, as I have through Harvard (e.g. [28]); and (and it really pains me to say this) I spent a substantial amount of time at BL some time ago and was shocked -- SHOCKED! at the really low quality of the research staff there. I mean astounded. EEng 18:23, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's high time we had an essay on this. Feel free to add humour to taste. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Surely you mean "humor to tasteless"? EEng 16:21, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning E Hope you had your coffee,

I sent this draft for review, If you are the reviewer please let me know what I have to do to improve in order to be accepted, also there is a section in Burger King franchises (at the bottom) and GPS Hospitality for ref of why I started this article ~ thanks ~ mitch ~ Mitchellhobbs (talk) 12:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mitchellhobbs. I'm afraid I don't do much draft reviewing and don't know the procedures. Perhaps someone watching this page will step in to help. EEng 16:28, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, Thanks EEng Mitchellhobbs (talk) 16:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
GPS Hospitality ~ Thank you Mitchellhobbs (talk) 20:31, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 April 27#Uncontrollable_shitting - I think it should be redirected to potty mouth. Atsme Talk 📧 10:47, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Russians, I tell you!

Your Highness may want to lend an amused eye to Talk:Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections#Disputed pre-2015 content, by theme, wherein your humble worshipper attempts to argue that the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991 was not an obvious precursor to Donald Trump's election in 2016. Neither was Trump's heroic attempt to sell American vodka to Russians. Oh the humanity! — JFG talk 03:17, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I try to stay out of American politics articles because sooner or later someone will drag in my talk page and there will be gnashing of teeth and tearing out of hair. But I think I saw my notes on useful idiot the other day. EEng 04:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your help needed

This pioneering attempt at a wooden gravestone dating from the early 1970s reminds me of something, but I can't put my finger on what it is. Are you able to help? ‑ Iridescent 15:26, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Penis or mushroom, IMO. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:12, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I get asked that regularly. ‑ Iridescent 16:42, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So does Trump. From what Arid Desiccant says, the last erection was in the 1970s so there's a parallel there as well. EEng 17:35, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Victorians didn't pull their punches
"In loving memory of GEORGE HARRISON who died in great agony ... aged 5 1/2 years ... Also SARAH HARRISON grandma of the above who died after long suffering ..." YIKES!
I saw a very touching marker the other day in St. Paul's Chapel, NYC:
Beneath the Altar of this Church are deposited the Remains of Mrs ELIZABETH FRANKLIN, Wife of His Excellency WILLIAM FRANKLIN Esq: late Governor under His Brittanick Majesty, of the Province of New Jersey.
Compelled, by the adverse circumstances of the Times, to depart from the Husband she loved, and at length deprived of the soothing hope of his speedy Return, she sunk under accumulated Distresses and departed this Life on the on 28th Day of July 1778, in the 49th Year of her Age.
SINCERITY and SENSIBILITY
POLITENESS and AFFABILITY
GODLINESS and CHARITY
Were, with SENSE refined and PERSON elegant, in her UNITED.
From a grateful Remembrance of her affectionate Tenderness and constant Performance of all the duties of a GOOD WIFE, this Monument is erected in the Year 1787, by Him who knew her Worth, and still laments her Loss.
EEng 04:45, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is why we have COI rules. I wonder what it would have said if she had written it. Levivich 13:21, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Grave of John Renie. If you're confused, start with the large H in the center and head out in any direction.

There's probably a decent book—or essay at least—to be written on why pre-industrial England (and the assorted other nations in its sphere), and the late-Victorian death cult, produced such peculiar graves among the middle and upper-middle classes to an extent that was never replicated anywhere else or in any other period. When it comes to truly weird gravestones, the undisputed champion is that of John Renie, in the otherwise totally godforsaken town of Monmouth. ‑ Iridescent 19:56, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Update

I just found out that Dax Cowart died a little over a week ago, April 28th. I updated his bio. Thank you for your help in improving the article. Atsme Talk 📧 22:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. EEng 04:18, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Notre-Dame fire

Well, I understand you guys prefer disorder in images... I otherwise like order in images layout... Why too much empty blank spaces in page ? when my way could resolve a better approach all images together... Then a space between symbold like € of currency and numbers give a better reading... https://imgur.com/gpJRc6y --88.70.23.126 (talk) 15:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your screenshot shows you're using an unusually wide window, so what you're seeing is atypical. Whatever your personal taste, WP house style is that nonalphabetic currency symbols are not followed by a space -- see MOS:CURRENCY. EEng 21:18, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's amazing

Kevin Hart - has to be something here for the Museum. Atsme Talk 📧 20:29, 14 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit summary

MOSbloat = The grossest thing I've heard today. Primergrey (talk) 01:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well then my nascent essay WP:MOSBLOAT will most certainly make you lose your lunch. EEng 03:01, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think it belongs in The Museum as "meritorious" and perhaps even a "behavioral trendsetter" but most certainly as a remedy. [FBDB] Atsme Talk 📧 18:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And if that doesn't, this will! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:00, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
STFU?? Ah yes, we know a song about that, don't we, boys and girls... : [29]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC) Note: other, equally offensive YouTube STFU song memes are readily available.[reply]
Well, poopers. I added the right link but to the wrong discussion (although it could relate to bloat) so I just fixed it...even worse, I was thinking bloat referenced this discussion, so EEng's comment has widespread merit, broadly construed. Hmmm, me thinks I may be in WP:TARAGESLAW2 territory. Atsme Talk 📧 22:10, 22 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Derrick Morris

On 23 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Derrick Morris, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Derrick Morris received a new heart in 1980 his chances of survival were slim, but he lived another 25 years? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Derrick Morris. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Derrick Morris), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Help talk:Citation Style 1

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Help talk:Citation Style 1. Legobot (talk) 04:26, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Video games. Legobot (talk) 04:29, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Hope Ryden

On 27 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Hope Ryden, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that before she became an expert on wild animals, Hope Ryden was an international flight attendant and used her long layovers to observe wildlife in Africa and Asia? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hope Ryden. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Hope Ryden), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I just wrote the hook. It's good to see hookers getting some respect. EEng 18:18, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User page

Enjoyed your comments on Trump. Although I am from Canada, I do watch the ABC Evening News and feel slightly nauseated by his behaviour! We feel your pain. This is a real test to see if your Founding Fathers put enough checks and balances in the Constitution to protect America against tyranny. - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, would make a great gameshow.... Tyranny! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LOL Agreed. - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:08, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Tyranny? Do you mean Trudeau? Sir Joseph (talk) 15:14, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, isn't he that dishy young pop singer?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:20, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LOL...Remember hate, lying, greed and bragging about your fornications, adultries and sex abuse are not Christian regardless what the Religious Right says! In any event with all the evidence of wrongdoing Impeachment now seems inevitable. I plan to tune in! - Ret.Prof (talk) 14:05, 30 May 2019 (UTC) PS I am planning a WP article on this topic.[reply]

Archiving mayhem

I was wondering how this archiving happened, but Guy Macon beat me to fixing it. It turns out this was the culprit. Fixed now. Retro (talk | contribs) 00:30, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who beat other Wikipedians? —PaleoNeonate00:59, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I have been called a shill for pretty much every company, service and product mentioned at User:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased. (and a paid shill for the "Twisty Bulb Cartel" when I mentioned that compact fluorescent bulbs use less energy than incandescent bulbs, but LED bulbs use less than either), So a special "when did you stop beating your fellow Wikipedia editors?" award seems like it would fit right in on my shelf... --Guy Macon (talk) 01:56, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving

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I want to thank you on EEng's behalf for providing him with this helpful advice. Since he is a new editor at Wikipedia, I'm sure that he has never heard any of that before. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:24, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Can we can safely say that EEng's page has too much shit? Atsme Talk 📧 11:34, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And now, there is Russian interference with EEng's talk page! [FBDB] --Tryptofish (talk) 19:18, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
OMG, how very dare you!! Trypto you're Finnished here. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
^_^ Martin beat me to the punch or did he Finnish me with a punch? Atsme Talk 📧 20:08, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I believe EEng has made the following offer.
Mail, with a SASE, a 64 GByte thumb drive, to EEng, requesting the most up-to-date version of this talk page. Should 64 GBytes be insufficient, a 120 Gbyte solid-state drive will do. Before chosing your media, check the current page size.
Neonorange (Phil) 02:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ridiculous! It's only...oh my...2MB! Eman235/talk 03:23, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tiddlywinks, not Tidles

"Enclosed Instructions for Use: Each player receives a large brand and a corresponding number of small brands. At the beginning of the game place the opened cup in the middle of the table, which is best covered with a thick blanket. Each participant places the small marks on the tablecloth at the same distance from the cup. In turn, each participant is then snapped once, i. with the big mark is pressed on the edge of the small mark so much that the latter falls through a jump in the cup. Anyone who has brought one of his brands in the cup, may snap again. Once a mark falls off the table, it must be returned to its starting point. Who brings all the brands in the cup first, has won." (Google translation from German)

Apparently (see section header), we expect such typos. Thanks, as always, for giving me a tittery, tiddly, tickly giggle.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:36, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not archive this page because of its size (above section). To save my edit above, it took me 1h30m52s, during which time I read War and Peace twice. Thanks!--Bbb23 (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah fine, whateva, but who wins the saucer of Vollmilch?? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 5 June 2019 (UTC) Please do not archive this page because of its size (above section). To save my edit above, it took me over 6 hours, during which time a wandering senile beachcomber was able to agree two phenomenal trade deals, one with the Drug Enforcement Administration and one without.[reply]
Size does matter. Atsme Talk 📧 01:58, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but EEng does have the most beautiful hands. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The only thing that holds true about hands applies to measuring a horse. And speaking of horses...a gal entered a bar in Texas, and noticed a cowboy with his feet propped up on a table. She marveled over the size of his boots and was inspired to approach him. She boldly asked him if what they say about Trump's small hands is true, then could the opposite be true about men with big feet? The cowboy grinned and said "Shore is, ma'am," and invited her to his bunkhouse. She was curious enough to accept his invitation. The next morning as she was leaving the bunkhouse, she handed him $300. He blushingly accepted the money and with a big grin thanked her saying, "Ain't nobody ever paid fer mah services before." She retorted, "Oh, don't be flattered. Use that money to buy yourself some boots that fit." Atsme Talk 📧 15:44, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
With all the money Trump claims to have, it would seem he's been on the receiving end of a lot of those payments over the years. EEng 01:32, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Heza blue collar billionaire. Great name for my next gelding. Atsme Talk 📧 12:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Blue collar? Maybe. Billionaire? No reliable sourcing! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I guess the real question here is..... "does the Donald wear big gloves?" Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose those would be little mushroom gloves. Which, wouldn't you know it, are actually a thing: [30]! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, how tasteful. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's the first time I've seen "Trump" and "tasteful" in the same thought. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:23, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of "tasteful"... Atsme Talk 📧 15:53, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And the first time I've seen "Republicans making jokes about a Democrat" and "tasteful".... --Tryptofish (talk) 21:47, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Yabba-Dabba-Democrat"!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:58, 8 June 2019 (UTC) ... thank you, Private Eye[reply]

Ah-ha! Mister so-called EEngFram! I knew it was you all along. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am unmasked! EEng 20:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah shucks. Never mind. I knew the "Eric Honecker in drag" theme would never really catch on. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:34, 13 June 2019 (UTC) ... still it's comforting to know that we are a lofty encyclopedia and can rise above all this[reply]

[31] Mostly, I'm annoyed by the reverts. Consensus position here is not yours, so if you really think it belongs, get some people together to agree with you instead. --Izno (talk) 23:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In articles, where there's doubt about inclusion of material the consensus principle calls for exclusion by default in the absence of agreement. On talk pages the reverse is true: within very wide bounds the default is to retain things, and the only person who seems to actually object can't formulate what his objection is [32]. There Izno tedious pun on your username coming to mind just now so we'll have to leave that for another time. EEng 15:10, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose you should be thankful that I'm actually your father, otherwise you would have ended up at AE rather than EWN per the below notification. --Izno (talk) 16:36, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I wouldn't subject EEng to AE for trying to have some fun. I'm a monster, but not THAT kind of monster. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:44, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So, not a rancor? Maybe the Sarlacc pit? --Izno (talk) 17:01, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm really more of a Trade Federation sort of monster. I'll subject you to endless bureaucracy! Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:08, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of edit warring noticeboard discussion

How do I know?

Quoting EEng, June 14, 2019
I actually know ... well, not everything, but I know what it is I know, and I know this.
And that quote inspired me to add a self-quote:
"I don’t know how much I don’t know because there’s no way to gage how much I don’t know when I don’t know what it is I don’t know, so stop telling me I should've known.
And then comes the day you finally realize you don't know shit." Atsme Talk 📧 12:30, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

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Some father you are. EEng 03:58, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Much appreciated. It's clear some people are having trouble respecting others' talk page contributions, so this should help. EEng 02:03, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Contribute if you've a mind to. j/s Atsme Talk 📧 17:41, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I gave up on understanding or worrying about DS long ago. I'm just me and if I get in trouble, I guess I get in trouble. EEng 19:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

EEng ~ thanks once again for your help and your humor ~ Mitchellhobbs (talk) 03:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank goodness someone still has a sense of humor. [33] EEng 04:00, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ironic. Atsme Talk 📧 11:48, 18 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again ~ mitch ~ Mitchellhobbs (talk) 15:08, 15 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert Schachtschneider

June
cornflowers
... with thanks from QAI

Thank you - sorry, a bit late - for the hook help for Herbert Schachtschneider. You are very welcome to go over my stalled nominations and help further to increase attraction. Two of "mine" made the stats in June without help, one for the exquisite pic (the second), the other because she starred as the Buhlschaft, but there are countless others ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An encouraging word

Moo v along
Timely and pithy food for thought, Well done! 7&6=thirteen () 01:25, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This undeserved praise regards this modest edit [34]. EEng 02:49, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

June 2019

Information icon Hello. I wanted to let you know that in your recent contributions to Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, you seemed to act as if you were the owner of the page. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to Wikipedia. This means that editors do not own articles, including ones they create, and should respect the work of their fellow contributors. If you create or edit an article, remember that others are free to change its content. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Apparently, the article needs to be only as clear as you deem appropriate. SMP0328. (talk) 05:16, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We've worked together too long for you to template me. Your edit summaries -- please look at them -- were somewhat fractured so that they didn't really explain why you were adding all that verbiage. I've made a new change -- far more concise -- which I think you will find satisfactory. EEng 06:26, 22 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Morning - I was hoping you'd remember a link you posted a while back to a YouTube video showing a group of scholars talking about creating an encyclopedia. I started scrolling your UTP from the rock-toothback discussion back to discussions in Dec 2018 and didn't see it. Perhaps it was in the museum? Atsme Talk 📧 13:47, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[35]. And to think they say I'm disorganized. EEng 14:10, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(And that's about the kindest thing they say... lol.) Harvard graduates... know your limits! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 30 June 2019 (UTC) [reply]
Call T&S! Martin is harassing EEng and me! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:11, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
For those who don't know, Harvard graduates are a protected group against discrimination. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:23, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:SANFRANJANBANSFRAM listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wikipedia:SANFRANJANBANSFRAM. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:SANFRANJANBANSFRAM redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Oshawott 12 ==()== Talk to me! 01:30, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear

Everyone is very busy discussing where to draw the line on being rude and unpleasant, but making lame jokes is completely unacceptable. Triptothecottage (talk) 03:28, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's the lameness that offends. These are highly cultured people, after all. EEng 03:56, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What is the meaning of it? KoopaLoopa (talk) 06:18, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nvm I think I figured it out - San Fran's Jan Bans Fram. KoopaLoopa (talk) 06:20, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
All this time we never knew you were Pastis. Your secret's safe with me.  Dlohcierekim (talk), admin, renamer 16:13, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Watch your step lest T&S disappear you for outing me. EEng 18:24, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Gulag-apedia. I hear Siberia is lovely this time of year.  Dlohcierekim (talk), admin, renamer 18:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One Year in the Life of Ifram Denisovich. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:53, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hello everybody. I read that book about fifty years ago at my boarding school. It has come flooding back. particularly the bit about the bread and the ciggy for goodness sake. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 21:26, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. Since this is clearly your first time editing and I am in no way templating a regular, we hope you will choose to stay here and contribute positively. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like you to assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not do on the redirect discussion for Wikipedia:SANFRANJANBANSFRAM by assuming I am creating a hostile environment by mocking people with peanut allergies. Please remember that even peanuts have feelings, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you and have a nice day. [FBDB] --WaltCip (talk) 18:42, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

EEng's talk page gets all the nuts. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:57, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"My T&S BANFRAM brings all the nuts to the yard....": [36] etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just a heads up that Ivanvector supervoted and speedy deleted the redirect per G10. WaltCip (talk) 23:26, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously considering my future here.  Dlohcierekim (talk), admin, renamer 01:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Next?

Is WP:CANFRAMFANSBANSANFRAN next on your list? Fut.Perf. 10:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FRAMBANNED,SANFRANDAMNED,ARBCOMJAMMED —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 10:36, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
^^^^ Definitely the best yet. EEng 17:51, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
FRAM FRAMED, JAN NAMED, ARBCOM AIMED. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:49, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WHOA BLACK BETTY, BAN FRAM, JAN.--WaltCip (talk) 17:32, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"I have gotta Admin name of FRAMA-BANA-JANA-LAMA-DING-DONG": [37] Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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And speedily declined. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:03, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Speedy declined. Not the same as the version that was deleted previously. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, Brad, for speedily edit conflicting you! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:CANSANFRANBANFRAM? listed at Redirects for discussion

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"CANJUNEMOONSHAKESPOONMOONEYSOON"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How much rue do Anne drew Andrew and Drew rue if Anne drew Andrew and Drew do rue what they do? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:35, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Moo. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know. I just didn't feel up to the challenge. Congrats. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC) [reply]
He's a foo. EEng 23:22, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Partial list of images needing deletion because they attack or disparage:
Delete: Implies Jimbo invades people's privacy and looks at their naughty bits
Delete: Presents Jimbo as an autocrat
Delete: Implies Jimbo engages in group sex
Delete: Presents Jimbo as a seagoing mammal
Delete: Implies Jimbo has no brains

EEng 02:41, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wham Fram Thank You Jan? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:59, 2 July 2019 (UTC) Note: no snowflakes were intentionally harmed in the construction of this piped link.[reply]
^^^^ This one is quite good too. EEng 17:57, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Hey man, well she's a total blam-blam"!  Dlohcierekim (talk)

Greetings from Dr. Seuss

Improvements and extensions welcomed!

I AM FRAM. FRAM I AM.
THAT FRAM-I-AM! THAT FRAM-I-AM! I DO NOT LIKE THAT FRAM-I-AM!
WOULD YOU LIKE A BAN OF FRAM?
DOWN ENWIKI'S THROAT TO RAM?
WOULD YOU BAN HIM FOR A YEAR?
ISSUE RATIONALES UNCLEAR?
PERHAPS TRANSPARENCY YOU FEAR?

401

Hah!  Dlohcierekim (talk) 01:53, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The 401 is the busiest talk page in North Wikipedimerica, by Annualized Average Daily Talk page visits. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 01:59, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Contractions

Um... "Can not" is considered incorrect too.CuteDolphin712 (talk) 06:46, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CuteDolphin712: I realize that, but Wikipedia's Manual of Style doesn't attempt to teach general English. EEng 06:57, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is it time to call the obstetrician? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:38, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Once more unto the grammar breach, dear Prince Hal, once more!" Martinevans123 (talk) 19:47, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
EEng, I'd follow you anywhere, even not on Saint Crispin's DayDlohcierekim (talk) 20:58, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Re: ping

I couldn't think of any betters lines myself, but hopefully something will come to me before NYB's limerick contest starts. I think there is a joke in here, though, about the WMF's "light touch" nearly bringing down the house. Something like The WMF released a new tool for laser-focused, surgical interventions. It's a less drastic version of the global indef ban. It can be limited in time, it can be limited to a specific project, and it only removes from that project the target user and three bureaucrats, two interface admins, two global renamers, a template editor, twenty-four administrators and a couple dozen veteran editors. Levivich 03:52, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

yeah

such a cockup.  Dlohcierekim (talk)
....coming soon to an airport hear you

but look at all those airports he helped liberate from the British during the Revolution. It was yuge.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:28, 6 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just in case other TPSs are confused. I think Dlohciere kim Jong-un may be referring to this "embarrassing mess". How amazing. But let's be kind and just call it "a narcissistic travesty". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:29, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You know I tried to get to the white house on a self guided tour months ago ~ all I got was a letter ~ REQUEST DENIED ~ it's true ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 21:03, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The U.S. of A. is "cocked and loaded" to be able to "ram the ramparts" (real quotes). --Tryptofish (talk) 21:08, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Better call Dr.Bracket and Dixie McCall ~mitch~ (talk) 21:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Holy American pop culture, Batman! EEng 21:43, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Style

Amazing looking user page! Thank you. ♥ L'Origine du monde ♥ Talk 00:34, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tu sais ~ Je pense que je me souviens de toi quand le monde a été créé ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 01:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WTF? (= "What the French?") EEng 02:55, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LOL ~ you had me scared ~~ ~mitch~ (talk) 03:04, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Community response to the Wikimedia Foundation's ban of Fram. Legobot (talk) 04:32, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stalkers may wish to take the time to comment. EEng 04:58, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This stalker's sense of masochism has strict bounds. — JFG talk 23:09, 15 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So your safeword is FRAM? EEng 13:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm allergic.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 14:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

do you give objective

more glitter  Dlohcierekim (talk)

3rd opinions on user conduct?  Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:30, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dlohcierekim, um, well, I'll do my best to help. I suspect the glitterati assembled here will offer their wisdom as well. Or, if it's your idea to send me an email, I prefer not interact off-wiki unless there's a really good reason; you can do that but I'm likely to keep our interaction to the minimum necessary to help you decide what to do. EEng 04:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Glitteratic assessment could not hurt. I just don't want to cause needless drama if I'm wrong. I'll put it together and come back. {At least it's not about your favorite subject.)  Dlohcierekim (talk) 10:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently I glitter at multiple user talk pages, but I'm guessing this is related to what is at User talk:Doc James. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:01, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tryptofish:Maaaaaaybe. Still awaiting feedback and busy getting my pipes worked on tomorrow. Yes, that is a metaphor.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 21:10, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, no problem, I was just trying to let readers here know. I wish you and your pipes all the best. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
| | | | | | <-- in case you need more pipes, Dlohcierekim. It's uppercase back slash (Mac keyboard), but you must've known back slash is what you'd get before you came here. Atsme Talk 📧 21:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dlohcierekim: You must have stalked me for more than a week to catch me posting a comment in response to QuackGuru not realizing that I have a longer history on that page than the editor you're accusing me to stalk. I don't have much time and nerve for things like that so again I'm just kindly asking you to cut it out and let be. I don't appreciate your threats and the harm it is doing to my personal well being.--TMCk (talk) 22:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Well so far this is going swimmingly. EEng 22:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You know I went to a swimming hole ~ just the other day ~ hole ~ the water looks nice and refreshing ~ on a hot summer day ~ until you jump in ~ and find out it's spring fed' and 56° ~mitch~ (talk) 22:47, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Be careful where you swim. Calm waters aren't always as calm as they seem...especially AN/I during the weekend. Atsme Talk 📧 22:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I stand corrected ~ ? ~ très froid ~mitch~ (talk) 23:07, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Never swim in Florida. If the gators don't get you, the flesh eating bacteria or the brain eating amoebas will.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 23:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This is all moot now. Let the swimming continue.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:23, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You see now why I'm in such demand as a mediator. EEng 03:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
😂 Atsme Talk 📧 03:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Mitchellhobbs - are you an enterprising WP editor? If yes, and you're swimming in Hamilton Pool, then you're close enough to recruit. I've been trying to round-up some WP editors to help me start a WP Group or Chapter (was advised to start with a group). Any interest or know others who might be? Atsme Talk 📧 03:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Eeng: Hah! I wish. To continue the "pool" motif, we've jumped in at the shallow end, struck our head on the bottom, and swum, dazed as it were, to the deep end. Now foundering but for the help of a whiz with an ice bucket.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 10:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well D, that explains everything. 😂 Atsme Talk 📧 19:54, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
From the latest in glitterati, I see per User talk:Bishonen that this has now been resolved. --Tryptofish (talk) 16:55, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Atsme Hmm ` I don't know if I am a enterprising WP editor ~ I do let my girls use my computer some times ` why what did you have in mind ~ I don't go to Hamilton pool very often it's kind of out of the way ~ I find myself closer to Mills pond ~ I have to give the water a chance to warm up a little ~ I guess by the time Saturday rolls around I will grab my bottle of Olay ~ sun screen ~ it seems to work pretty good ~ and the girls seem to laugh historically when I go in for my weekly dip ~ so hey I'm up ~ what do I have to do ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 19:16, 19 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Zu gross thread 99--

With sincerest apologies to Rammstein

So cut this back it's not to late
Life's too short and I can't wait (for the page to load)
Please cut this back, oh don't see
It can't be read; i t   j u s t   w o n 't   l o a d.  Dlohcierekim (talk)

High quality content alert

You might enjoy the box at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Korea (oldid: [38]), which seems to be the relic of a long-running edit war with a bot —Nizolan (talk · c.) 14:53, 20 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You deleted "Abraham Lincoln cared for Tad, who was still very ill and was heartbroken over the loss of his brother." with the edit summary of "a personal nurse was a commonplace at that time, and while no doubt the president was very attentive to Tad, he didn't care for him alone". Nevertheless, no personal nurses are mentioned in the cited source ("Lincoln"/David Herbert Donald) which states on Page 336 "The President gained some respite from his suffering by caring for Tad, who was still very ill and heartbroken over the loss of his brother. Often Lincoln lay on the bed beside his sick son to soothe him and give him comfort." The source doesn't seem to state that Lincoln was the only caregiver/nursemaid for his son but it does state that he provided a large measure of care for Tad. Anyway, was wondering if you'd consider restoring that content or something close to it back into the article. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 05:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for stopping by. Re the nurse, I was talking about Mary's nurse -- I removed mention that Mary had a nurse because had the bereaved bedridden wife of the president NOT had a nurse, that's what the article would mention; that she did have a nurse would be a commonplace. I added back that AL found solace in caring for Tad, but not the broken heart because, again, if Tad had not a care that his brother had just died, that's what we'd need to mention. EEng 07:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BLOCKED

I was just about to block you for being so fancy. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 18:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nice shirt, though. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I hereby dub thee Sir Less-filling-with-no-taste.18:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dlohcierekim (talkcontribs)
No usurpers, please... LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC) [reply]
It seems to me there's a good pun on usurpers in there somewhere, but it's just not coming. Below is the best I could do. EEng 12:48, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Uslurpers!
Ulurkers!
Uburpers!
Ah, not just tasteless-filling-with-no-Sirloin, then. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
E-e-e-e-w-w-w-w!  Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:05, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not a Brit, but that canned meat pie looks like low-grade dog food. Woof. Jip Orlando (talk) 13:42, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Women In Red, fill your boots": enjoy. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

24 hour block

Hi, EEng. I have blocked you for 24 hours as described Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Block_of_User:EEng. Would you kindly commit to not restoring the material and we can put this behind us immediately? Haukur (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for posting the ANI message first and this message second. It would have been better form to do it the other way around. Haukur (talk) 18:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
But don't forget to send a photo for the wall of my trophy room.
Apology accepted, and you are to be commended for not digging in your heels. I will be commenting gently (relatively gently, anyway) at ANI in a bit. EEng 19:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
For the record: WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1014#Block_of_User:EEng. EEng 13:45, 25 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It would have been within policy to do it the other way round? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Damn, I thought we would have a little break :P - FlightTime (open channel) 19:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Damn from me too. I log out for a few hours to do some errands, and I miss all the fun! Go clean out your garage. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ugh ` hmm ~ ugh ~ ugh ~ never mind ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 17:02, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For your collection

Stackable WTF blocks
You've been around the WTF block
Remember how much fun you had playing with blocks as a kid? Now that you're a mature an adult, you can collect blocks with adult letters, and they're not only stackable, they're collectable.
How many more to equal the height of the Empire State Bldg? Atsme Talk 📧 20:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I hope...

...that your 24 minutes in the wilderness weren't too unpleasant. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

...What you need, EEng, is a good disguise. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Infamy, infamy...

in the open and w/o disguise.  Dlohcierekim (talk)

Hello. You have been mentioned in dispatches at Auggie's gaff. There'll always be an EEngland! (talk)

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people." EEng 16:57, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I followed that link, and at first my antimalware software didn't want me to go. I bravely persevered, and I noticed that they call the page in question Phineas Cage (sic). Somehow, that seems fitting for a site like that. I wonder if he's related to Nicholas. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:03, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Glad someone was braver than I.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:14, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Braver? Maybe just stupider. (Why is my computer screen telling me to give it my credit card numbers?) --Tryptofish (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I'm not so interesting as others. Boring, that's li'l old me.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is weird. I think you're getting the security messages because you're using https in the address. As far as I know, there is no certificate, so you should just use http. Sole Flounder (talk) 22:12, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And talking of "Infamy, infamy"... wow, things are already hottin' up in the search for a new Hilary. That's the kind of hype that, in the UK, we reserve for something really tacky. Almost as exciting as the recent UK Final of Love Island. My money's on that Chickenlooper. Alistair-Cooked-to-a-frazzle-already-123 (talk) 18:49, 2 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is it paranoia or just curiosity to wonder if visitors from the Internet Research Agency will show up there? XOR'easter (talk) 23:34, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of geography initiatives

Is any sort of clean-up required here? 80.41.128.7 (talk) 18:54, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's quite enough out of you, Mr. Smarty Pants. EEng 19:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Mm-hmm. 80.41.128.7 (talk) 21:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Frivolous commentary

A possible example of a tragedy of the anticommons problem: Disused property overtaken by weeds.

Yes, we know you're clever, EE, but for you to take prime space at the top of a discussion to insert your witty cartoons is not OK; just annoying. Dicklyon (talk) 04:44, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's now in a less-prime point in the thread. Always good to hear from you. EEng 15:48, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
How does one distinguish prime Wiki-real estate from sub-prime Wiki-real estate?--WaltCip (talk) 12:19, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
One must consider the possibility that the presence of an eyesore may produce a significant negative impact on the value of any real estate and adversely deprecate its resale value, thus lowering "prime real estate" to "not-so-prime-as-it-once-was real estate".-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:33, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone know where I can get the Wikipedia version of Monopoly? --A D Monroe III(talk) 17:46, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't you know it: User:EEng#Monopwiki. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:40, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Go Directly to Jail. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
In today's environment it's risky to forget the [FBDB]. EEng 02:34, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You know ~~ ~ I met a frivolous python one time ~ she was very friendly ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 02:58, 7 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Circular reasoning

It might be circular, but it's very neat and self contained. Koncorde (talk) 12:39, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Have you visited The Museums lately? EEng 13:01, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Will the Circle Be Unbroken?-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 13:03, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I find museums, like circles, leave me feeling tired and emotional. Koncorde (talk) 15:57, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Archive much?

Archives!? We ain't got no stinkin' archives!-- Dlohcierekim (talk)

I don't mean to be a bit rude, but your talk page is a bit annoying to scan through, maybe you can fix it? Cheers! Govvy (talk) 12:16, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Research shows that 15% of it is people asking me to archive. Now and then I do make a pass. EEng 12:22, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd guess it's more like 25-40% of editors who are annoyed. But, we are fond of you DESPITE your long talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 02:25, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of making a pass, Liz: Will you marry me? EEng 02:29, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) As to me, I actually appreciate its length. It doesn't load instantaneously, which forces me to slow down when reading stuff on my watchlist. It's a reminder to savor every moment in life, and to appreciate the fact that I don't have to use a dial-up modem anymore. I praise the length of this page! —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 02:31, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Surely a most thoughtful and philosophically sophisticated attitude. EEng 03:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my God, Mendaliv, you'll even defend the length of EEng's talk page. Is nothing beneath you?[FBDB] Levivich 03:52, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Zu groß, zu klein, [Sie] könnte etwas größer sein" --Rammstein-- Dlohcierekim 10:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sections were archived,
one by one, like tears falling,
but saved forever. Levivich 07:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Synchronicity

(cough)-- Dlohcierekim
Original heading: "Archive this page"

Please, EEng, archive this talk page. It's hilarious if you're on a fast connection; otherwise it won't load, and is quite aggravating. It also isn't particularly fair to people who may want to contact you. Make your userpage as long as you want, because nobody's required to look at that; but this page needs to be usable. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:35, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vanamonde, as you can see, I am either clairvoyant or able to read your mind [39]. EEng 15:47, 14 August 2019 (UTC) Correcing ping: Vanamonde93. EEng 16:05, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work

I don't think your unmitigated torrent of genius content gets enough credit around here. Keep up the good work. Cosmic Sans (talk) 02:03, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What could this mean???
I would like to believe you're talking about
but I fear you're actually talking about casting of aspersions. EEng 02:33, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Unhide for answer
Casting of ass
persians

It remains to be seen where the AE complaint re Eric will end up. But reviewing your contributions on the talk page, I'm just wondering, WTF? I always thought you were cleverer and betterer than what I see there. Can't you manage to disagree without insult and mockery? GoldenRing (talk) 09:33, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GoldenRing: Thanks for the kind words, and I appreciate your taking the time. The phenomenon of "civil POV pushing" is often talked about, but less talked about is "civil article ownership". Swarm put it very well at AE:
Obstructing bold edits without citing a specific rationale is disruptive editing. "Specific" means "policy-based". Arguing that "this is X's article, and X needs to have a say" is a policy violation, not a reason to personally attack the editor making the edits. FA's require "stability". But "stability" does not mean "absence of editing". "I don't like your edits", or "this is X's article, don't change it" is not a legitimate content dispute. Illegitimate stonewalling is not what's intended by "FA stability".
At AE you posted only part of my "shut the fuck up" rant, which robs the short bit you posted of context. Here it is more fully:
...by far the easiest thing to do would be to simply STEP THROUGH THE GODDAM EDITS SEQUENTIALLY. In the past 3 days there have been an incredible 110 posts to this thread, totaling 40K of text, all to discuss the abstract existence (but not the substance) of my 150 edits to an article which itself consists, in total, of a mere 65K. Most of these edits are no more complex than
[before-and-after of seven edits omitted]
There, that's seven of them – 5% of the total – right there. They can be reviewed in 15 seconds each, and if you think "officers were drafted to search" is better than just plain "officers searched", or that readers will benefit by knowing about the dog's teeth and kidney complaint, or about how many days past his birthday Keith Bennett was when he was killed, go right ahead and change those things; I'm not married to anything. But in the name of Jesus, Mary, Joseph and all the saints and apostles, at long last you bunch of old ladies stop pearl-clutching and hand-wringing (you gotta love the imagery there) and either look at the edits or shut the fuck up now. I've spent far more time in therapy with you lot responding to your hypothetical anxieties than I did making the changes themselves. Really, it's unbelievable.
(I would appreciate it if, over at AE, you'd substitute the above excerpt for your short one, so that I don't have to clutter the page and confuse the discussion by posting it in my own section.) That was July 12.
For a month -- a MONTH -- my edits sat live in the article without a single modification of what I'd done, or comment on what I'd done, or indication of interest in what I'd done, by any of this bunch -- until EC's block expired. Then the gang assembled and moved in. Too many edits! Too fast! This is an FA! Your edits are shit! I didn't look at them but I know they're shit! You need consensus! What bullshit. And now in the last 24 hours both Cassianto and EC have lied -- blatantly lied -- on the talk page about who said and did what.
Even now, at AE, Cassianto's pretending that I simply told him to "shut the fuck up". That's a lie. As seen above what I said (after three days of begging that this bunch look at the edits and give any specific indication of what was wrong with them) was that he should either look at the edits or shut the fuck up now. That's completely different. I'm not going to engage him on that at AE because he lies so effortlessly and shamelessly that he'll just keep saying black is white, but if you're in a particularly energetic mood you might point it out yourself.
They're just trying to gaslight anyone, such as yourself, who tries to untangle what happened. Smokescreens are their friends. So yeah, I've been pissed off and have shown it. EEng 17:47, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Extra! Extra! Read all about it! Featured article complete fraud! Content creators exposed as poseurs have feet of clay just like other editors!

Talk page stalkers who have been watching the fun at Talk:Moors murders may be interested to know that it turns out that is "Featured article" is apparently riddled with errors. I've found 22 21 [oops, looks like in one case I missed part of the newspaper story -- The Times has those giant pages in the old days – thanks to SchroCat for catching that] examples of statements in the article not supported by the sources cited – and that's just in the one section (seven paragraphs) I checked. See [40]. EEng 14:03, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]


This is some Stannis Baratheon level fact-checking you're doing there.

- "A harmless courtesy, Your Grace."

- "A lie. Take it out."[41]

You didn't show up for the duel. Also, if you challenge me I'm supposed to pick the weapon. I'll let you be Ryu if you like. Haukur (talk) 10:29, 14 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

just in case ... Comment

Things have gotten batshit crazy, and I know why!! There's a full moon rising, Thursday 08-15-2019. Atsme Talk 📧 01:57, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

... you weren't aware of it. Wikipedia:Gravedancing is frowned upon by most. — Ched :  ? 09:10, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You'rea talking about You're talking about the header of the subthread just above this one? What gravedancing? I look forward to a productive collaboration with SchroCat, Cassianto, Eric Corbett, and the rest, all working to together to get this article to at least the Good Article level at long last.
Anyway, I've changed the header to something more neutral. EEng 14:42, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment on Talk:Abortion

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Abortion. Legobot (talk) 04:27, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

After Talk:Moors murders I don't think abortion will be controversial enough to interest me. EEng 13:50, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You can always get in on the fun at GMO pages. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A visit from Dicklyon

A whole fucking month! Wow! You can imagine how I felt when my uncontroversial work of the last four years was used as reason to try to indef block me. And all you did was post your stupid little cartoons instead of looking at the evidence or shutting the fuck up. Practice what you preach, man. Dicklyon (talk) 22:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It took me a bit to figure out what you're talking about. [42] I wasn't taking sides and neither did the joke. Try to look on the bright side.
If it means anything to you, I hope you don't get blocked, really I do. EEng 22:55, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that, I guess. They already let me off with "no collusion, no obstruction"; in other words, not exonerated and with the cloud of BMK still hanging over me. Per not taking sides, see my remarks there about neutrality cowardice. Dicklyon (talk) 23:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]