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Checkuser

Could you run a quick checkuser for me, please? I have a probable DUCK sock of an indef blocked user and I need to confirm. The sock is Sjick14, the indef-blocked user is CaptainHog. SPI at the far bottom will have the most current IP and account information, of course. Also, could you check for any sleepers while you are at it? Diannaa usually handles these, but she is offline at the moment. Much appreciated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:06 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)

I filed an SPI related to the above request. Just letting you know. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 15:25 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:09 on September 3, 2016 (UTC)

"New Account" and archaeologist John Marshall

Hi Doug. This "new account", created a few days ago,[1] seems to be implying WP:OR and non-WP:RS synthesizes en masse, cross-article, and is using the findings of John Marshall, a British Archaeologist of some 100 years ago as the main "source" for these claims, e.g. [2][3][4]. I reverted some of his edits already, but I can't keep up with it I'm afraid. He's mass uploading images with OR captions as well on Wikimedia.[5]. Something should be done about this I believe. As you're often involved with such matters, I thought that this might interest you. Bests - LouisAragon (talk)

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Good article reassessment

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia talk:Good article reassessment. Legobot (talk) 04:30, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

A banned user appears to be back

Hey, I'm not sure exactly who to notify or what the process is for this, but since you were one of the last users to interact with the banned sockpuppeteer Aleksig 6 on his talk page, I thought I'd let you know that he appears to be back: Talk:Samaritan Pentateuch#RfC on Samaritan Pentateuch translation. Alephb (talk) 08:00, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Over here, I've posted the following:

Hey, Aleksandr Sigalov. Are you the same as the Aleksig6 who is banned indefinitely for abusively using multiple accounts, and who also made edits to the Samaritan Pentateuch page in favor of including Aleksandr Sigalov's work? Alephb (talk) 06:51, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

See Talk:Samaritan Pentateuch#Self-published sources where the previous identifies himself as the operator of Sigalov's websites. Alephb (talk) 07:06, 1 April 2017 (UTC) And this: Aleksig6 claiming to be Aleksandr Sigalov [6]. Alephb (talk) 07:15, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you again, but he's back under another IP. [7]. Alephb (talk) 05:55, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Blocked that one. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:01, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

• • • • @Ian.thomson: Could you close the RSN discussion? Or should I? Doug Weller talk 06:21, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't think anyone would cry over involvement or anything, but I went ahead and did it just so there's absolutely no risk of that. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:27, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Salarpur Varanasi

So I was in this small village of varanasi, Where these people had done great effort in the Digital India Campaign really great to see that they had done many things with respect to the idea of digital India

I just want this village to be recognized. What would be the recognized material so that You allow it to those pages. Really want the work of these people to be visible to all across the Country, will provide every reference possible.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhijeet00 (talk • contribs) 08:54, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

I can understand why you want this and it does sound really very interesting. But it needs (see WP:VERIFY sources meeting WP:RS, and I can't find any. If it gets coverage in the major media outlets that would be the time. When you first added it I was wondering if you were the entrepreneur you mentioned. A lot of village pages attract editors using them to promote their friends or family, probably most of the time because they don't understand Wikipedia and the fact that we are a real encyclopedia, like the Britannica (although studies have shown us to often be more accurate). Doug Weller talk 15:32, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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Personal attack by Professoremeritus

Thanks!

Hi Dougweller. User:Professoremeritus just made this comment in an edit-summary at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Zenji Nio:

"added a quote from Joshua's user page which says "smash the Buddha" - this shows a racist propensity to attack Buddhism and Buddhist leaders and may be driving his agenda."

"Smash the Buddha" is a well-known Zen-phrase; this user is deliberately crossing a line here. I'd appreciate it if appropriate measures are being taken. See also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Buddhakahika (you probably already noted). Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:14, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: I've been working on this, see[8] and the warning I added to his talk page. He seems to be self-destructing on his own. Who knows, he may even go to ANI. Waiting won't hurt. Doug Weller talk 15:25, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:50, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Islamophobia

Hi Doug. Instead of merely asserting that my edit was vandalism, please explain how my edit is incorrect. I've made an attempt to provide an accurate description of the current usage of this term. I hope that you could articulate where exactly I'm going wrong.Nick000000 (talk) 20:58, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Nick000000: Vandalism or completely incompetent editing if you think you provided an "accurate description of the current usage of this term". Either one will result in a block if continued. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 21:04, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I agree with Neil. If you don't understand how heavy your POV is you've got some serious editing problems. On top of that, you added your POV at the lead of the article for maximum effect. To add insult to injury, you added your POV just before the reference, making it appear as if your opinion is sourced. You have to really slow down. Dr. K. 21:11, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the ad hominem attack, Neil. Have a great day.Nick000000 (talk) 21:29, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

"Ad hominem attack" is a term with a specific meaning; it doesn't mean "something, whatever, that I don't like to hear". You may want to look it up. We have an article about it. Bishonen | talk 21:41, 2 April 2017 (UTC).

Me: "please explain how my edit is incorrect". Neil: "completely incompetent editing". "Ad Hominem: directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining." You are correct, it does have a specific meaning but only one of us seems to know what that is.Nick000000 (talk) 21:52, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Neil didn't say you are incompetent. He said your editing is. There is a difference. In any case, do you understand how your editing is heavily POV, and the other points I made to you about your editing? Dr. K. 21:59, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If you write, "Antisemitism is anti-Jewish sentiment. Is assumes that the Jews get a free pass on everything because of the Holocaust" you are either vandalizing, trolling, or are completely incompetent at evaluating what reliable sources say. Same thing with your Islamophobia edit. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:02, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

I didn't write that Neil, and that is a straw man argument. But instead of merely asserting so, here is why: Antisemitism is prejudice against jews, which is prejudice against a group of people. Islam is not a group of people, it is a set of ideas. The current edit conflates the criticism of ideas with the criticism of people, and I see you do too.Nick000000 (talk) 22:34, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm really not interested in arguing semantics. If you don't understand why your edit was unacceptable best steer clear of the topic lest you be blocked by an admin even less interested in engaging with you. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:45, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) This is an etymological fallacy; Islamophobia isn’t restricted to the ideas of Islam any more than homophobia means “fear of sameness”.—Odysseus1479 00:58, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry but no, homophobia comes from 'homosexual' and 'fear', not 'homogeneous' and 'fear'. Homosexual is, again, a group of people, not a set of ideas. You guys are really bad at this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick000000 (talk • contribs) 11:06, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #254

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

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Alchemy of Love Mindfulness Training Page

Dear Doug,

just to let you know that I followed your instructions and send an e-mail from Artof4elements.com to permissions-en@wikimedia.org to confirm that I represent the copy-right holder.

Many thanks, Mario — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariojohns2010 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you but that doesn't help with the fact that we would rarely use material from a self-publisher. Doug Weller talk 10:50, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

The general 1RR restriction in ARBPIA

User:Doug Weller, it has been pointed out to me the New Guidelines (in the section "Motion: ARBPIA" near the bottom of the page). The key part is the sentence underlined in black. Question: Is this to imply that all new edits made since 26 December 2016 in Palestine-Israel articles can be deleted by editors, and they can challenge the editors who put them there in the first place, without the first editors restoring their edits until a new consensus has been reached? If so, you open the door for "abusive editing," that is to say, the new guidelines allow editors to freely delete areas in articles based on their sole judgment and conviction and which edits had earlier been agreed upon by consensus, and that such changes will remain in force until such a time that a new consensus can be reached. As you see, this can be problematic. Second Question: Do the new guidelines also apply to reverts made in articles where a consensus had already been reached before 26 December 2016, or do they only apply to reverts made after 26 December 2016? To avoid future problems arising from this new edict, can I make this one suggestion, namely, that the new guidelines in Palestine-Israel articles be amended to read with this addition: "Editors who violate this restriction may be blocked without warning by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense, or where abuses arise over reverts made in an article where a consensus had already been reached before or after the edict of 26 December 2016 took effect, such editors make themselves liable to disciplinary actions, including blocking."Davidbena (talk) 14:21, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

@Davidbena: Would you like to ask this at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Clarification request: ARBPIA3 as there's a related discussion there and you'd get more input both from Arbs and other editors. I'd much rather reply there in any case, and if we are going to make changes we should try to do them all at once, IMHO. Doug Weller talk 15:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I just now saw that discussion that you mentioned and I pasted my statement there. Thanks.Davidbena (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

(Doug Weller: hope you don't mind me answering User:Davidbena here, as I don't want to clutter up the WP:ARCA) Davidbena: when I took this to WP:ARCA in December, it was because I noted that if one editor wanted to insert anything, it took two editors to remove it. This seemed illogical to me, and I wanted a rule where "status quo" was more favoured. However, by some slip up, we got a rule where there has to be a "consensus" (however that will be established?) on the talk page before we could have any controversial change. This rule seem to me too draconian, and will basically "freeze" many articles in their present form. And I don't understand you sentence or where abuses arise over reverts made in an article where a consensus had already been reached before or after the edict of 26 December 2016 took effect. If there is consensus, there will be no reverts, will there? Huldra (talk) 21:01, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

User:Huldra, the appropriate place for discussing this subject is on the ARBPIA noticeboard.Davidbena (talk) 21:08, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Belintash

Hello Doug. Why did you remove my edit below Robert Bauval photograph? What is the issue? Belintash is located in Bulgaria and it is proven that served as a cult place in the prehistory. --Filipov Ivo (talk) 06:48, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

@Filipov Ivo: Examining it again, although I think there may be some disputed material there's enough for the note, although the other Wikipedia articles on him don't add that. I've tweaked and restored it. Doug Weller talk 09:14, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

I have examined it. Thank you for the restoration! Apart from everything else I am an editor in the Bulgarian Wikipedia and I am aware of the rules of the project and I personally know Bauval and some of the researchers of the Belintash, so I was ready with a full and a long list of arguments/sources in support of what I was going to claim :) Anyways, thank you again Doug!--Filipov Ivo (talk) 12:06, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Glass Flowers needs arbitration

Hello Doug Weller. It has been a while, and I hope you notice that my offenses have dwindled to nothing now that I know the rules of Wikipedia. Anyway, I write to ask for your Administrative help. The Glass Flowers page has been suffering repeated attacks of by User:EEng in his breaking of the 3RR rule, and I lack the required know-how and authority to fully stop it. I know we have clashed in the past, and I apologize for the mistakes I made as a New User, but I have tried to keep the Glass Flowers page and is affiliates as professional as possible and would dearly like your assistance. If you need proof that the page has suffered possible vandalism, just look at the Revision History and the talk page. I have sent a similar message CorbieV asking for his aid, but have gotten no reply and the matter is immediate and urgent. (Forgive me for posting this cry for help here, but I could not find the appropriate arbitration page you spoke of)--Bard Cadarn (talk) 00:53, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

@Bard Cadarn: Hi. Good to hear from you. This really isn't a matter for us (the Arbitration Committee) if for no other reason that it hasn't gone through the usual dispute procedures.

EEng (despite his block log, which is not as bad as it looks at first glance if you understand it) and David are respected editors and know a lot. You need to listen and learn from them. Sorry, that's not what you want to hear, I know that. I don't see anyone breaking 3RR (consecutive edits count as one). Both Andy and EEng have block logs but they aren't relevant. There is a real problem of flowery language and I've said that on the talk page. More tomorrow, I have to go. Please don't comment on other editors there anymore, you all should be able to work together. And you have a WP:COI and probably shouldn't be making more than technical edits on the article. Doug Weller talk 17:17, 6 April 2017 (UTC)