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Your submission at AfC Marischal Square was accepted

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good work

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Excellent improvement and expansion of RAF Lossiemouth, an exceptionally large project. DarjeelingTea (talk) 06:31, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Defence High Frequency Communications Service has been accepted

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Copying within Wikipedia requires proper attribution

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. It appears that you copied or moved text from RAF Kinloss into Kinloss Barracks. While you are welcome to re-use Wikipedia's content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original contributor(s). When copying within Wikipedia, this is supplied at minimum in an edit summary at the page into which you've copied content, disclosing the copying and linking to the copied page, e.g., copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution. It is good practice, especially if copying is extensive, to also place a properly formatted {{copied}} template on the talk pages of the source and destination. The attribution has been provided for this situation, but if you have copied material between pages before, even if it was a long time ago, please provide attribution for that duplication. You can read more about the procedure and the reasons at Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. Thank you. If you are the sole author of the prose that was moved, attribution is not required. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:30, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of RAF Lossiemouth

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AfC notification: Draft:Ministry of Defence Main Building (United Kingdom) has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Ministry of Defence Main Building (United Kingdom). Thanks! ~Kvng (talk) 19:54, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at AfC Ministry of Defence Main Building (United Kingdom) was accepted

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RAF Lossiemouth GAN

You probably haven't noticed, but I've finally started the review at Talk:RAF Lossiemouth/GA1--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:28, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of RAF Lossiemouth

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Hi you left a message about seeking a reference to 115 Squadron's re-subordination under 6 Flying Training School (incidentally from 3 FTS not CFS). I can't find the direct reference as the RAF website has just been re-published and lost a lot of previous articles in the process. However, I did find a link to the 2017 Tutor Display Pilot that states that it is being undertaken by 6 FTS and, if you look, at the pilot's name badge you can see that the pilot is a member of 115 Squadron http://www.airshows.co.uk/features/2017/raf-tutor-display-pilot-sqn-ldr-andy-tagg/

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Thanks for creating 7 Air Defence Group

But should it be just merged with Joint Ground Based Air Defence Headquarters? No offence to your creation; it is nice. I read the FTC Handbook, and don't see any reference to a disbanding of the JtGBAD.

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Delete question. BlueD954 (talk) 09:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

1st Artillery Brigade under 3rd UK Division

Hello,

HQ 1st Artillery Brigade, as per the Wikipedia page, and other Google-ble sources, say it is under Forces Troops Command. But recently, the British Army's website places it under 3rd (UK) Division here and here and there is a distinct absence of it in the [1] which you discovered 7 Air Defence Group.

Do you think it is worthy to change the 1st Artillery Brigade page as such then?

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BlueD954 (talk) 02:16, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi @BlueD954:

It does look like its not part of FTC any more as the FTC Handbook looks like a fairly recent publication. The HQ 1st Artillery Brigade page stil lsays FTC but the the navigation bar about says 3rd (UK) Division so a bit confused really. As such I'd maybe just remove any reference to what formation it comes under as its not entirely clear at the moment. Thx811 (talk) 13:52, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

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Hi - Please can you add some citations to the new organisation structure you have added to this article. Thanks, Dormskirk (talk) 17:09, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Dormskirk:, citations added now, the changes were largely expanding on the content already there rather than adding much new (headings added and the ACC squadrons sitting under regiments) Thx811 (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Great. Many thanks. Dormskirk (talk) 17:47, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

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I disagree with the changes you made to the Eielson Air Force base page. I was trying to change the confusing layout. The page doesn't seem to have a logical layout. I was using the Langley AFB page as reference.

Hi @Davidsmith2014:, Whilst I would agree the layout on most USAF air base pages needs improved I would maintain that moving the sections on historic matters into the 'Based Units' section confuses matters further. The Langley AFB page probably isn't a good example as it doesn't have a 'Based Units' section (Little Rock Air Force Base or Minot Air Force Base have a more standard layout. The 'Based Units' section is meant to reflect the current units present at the base rather than those at were historically there. Looking at a few USAF base articles most seem to have these sections under the 'History' section, although some have each as a main heading. I feel that they don't really sit there comfortably as the history section is normally a narrative of the history of the base whereas the sections in question are lists of command, units, aircraft etc. Perhaps a new section called 'Base lineage' would help group them together, it could sit after the 'History' section? Thx811 (talk) 19:33, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, I had added a relevant piece of information with a relevant source (the registry clearly mentions the UK MoD-owned satellites in orbit). Please see the Skynet (satellite) satellite summary section for the full list. The satellites are indeed operated by Airbus, but is a Private Finance Initiative (PFI), which means that the RAF still owns the satellites, but is just outsourced to reduce costs. This is the same sort of thing as the UKMFTS being outsourced by PFI - the RAF still owns the aircraft but is just maintained/operated by a private, civilian company. I hope we can agree this is a relevant addition to the page, and also reflects the RAF’s role as an air and space force - the satellites are officially organised under UK space command. J.Weir3 (talk) 23:55, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello @J.Weir3, I would agree that its a relevant addition to the page now that the RAF has a larger role in relation to space. I think a better source is required to confirm that it is the RAF that the satellites are organised under. The register just says the MOD. Thx811 (talk) 17:11, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, do you have a link to the MOS which is about the styling of current Royal Air Force aircraft types such as if it's Beechcraft Texan T.1 or Beechcraft Texan T1? Gavbadger (talk) 19:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Gavbadger, the style guide is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Naming (British military aircraft) Thx811 (talk) 18:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, thank you. Gavbadger (talk) 16:24, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

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Planes & Trains and other things

Hello, I noticed an edit of yours at RAF Lakenheath which was a couple of months back (September 2024 - I'm not clever enough to provide a full link to your edit, but you'll find it easily enough). Your edit summary was;

 Tidied up infobox. Major command emblem goes in image2 parameter per Template:Infobox military installation

I would like to discuss this with you, and probably a few related issues that go way beyond RAF Lakenheath, which is why I have arrived here on your Talkpage. If you think we should have this discussion somewhere else, let me know.

Before getting stuck into any specific detail, my own history is that I have used Wikipedia for decades, but only edited for 11 months. In that time I have come to realise that across Military History there appear to be countless articles suffering from what I am going to call Infobox abuse, and I guess I am looking for another editor to bounce ideas off. Or maybe burst my balloon. Am I asking too much already? Perhaps we should just take it one edit at a time, but at least you have a heads-up as to what might be coming.

So, back to RAF Lakenheath; I had edited the article in general, and the Infobox specifically, about a month before you, and one thought I had at the time was whether the RAF ensign should be there at all? Technically the MOD own the land, the USAF are 'just visiting', and the actual RAF presence on the base is mostly token (unless you go back to 1941-44). It seems unnecessary detail for an Infobox. If it was a multi-national corporation, would we quibble over whether their head office was owned outright, or just rented accommodation? And how do such UK airbases compare to say Ramstein AB in Germany? And for that matter, what about other sites we have both left our pawprints at - MOD Chicksands (three ensigns)? Or MOD Boscombe Down (no RAF ensign)?

p.s. I've got Lakenheath traffic overhead me right now; can't see it because of the thick clag, but I can hear it. Or maybe it's a couple of Marham F-35s?

RSVP WendlingCrusader (talk) 13:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, the Template:Infobox military installation template documentation isn't particular helpful when it comes to how most of the of parameters in the template should be used. I've always thought it best to keep the contents of an infobox related to the current use of the installation, with historic details kept in the 'site history' section of the infobox, which generally covers whether other military arms have operated the installation. However, there does seem to be a tendency to try and include various flags, emblems and other historic details such as previous commanding units, which just confuses matters as it is then not at all clear as to what information is current.

On the USAF stations in the UK, they are still RAF stations and it seems that the use of the RAF ensign in the infoboxes is consistent across the the articles on the various RAF stations the USAF occupy and also articles on regular RAF stations. The 'site information' section of the infobox explains the ownership (UK MOD), operator (USAF) and then the command that the installation falls under (USAF in Europe) which I think is important to explain. Perhaps it would be useful for a paragraph to be added to the body of each article explaining the ownership and control situation, like at RAF Menwith Hill. The List of RAF stations article also has content that might be useful for this.

I would agree the three ensigns in an infobox isn't appropriate in the MOD Chicksands (or any) article, but I see they've gone now. MOD Boscombe Down isn't an RAF station, its operated by private contractor Qinetiq on behalf of the MOD so wouldn't be correct to have the RAF ensign there.

Great to hear the jets above, even if you can't see them!

Thx811 (talk) 22:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

RAF Squadron badges

Hi there, it's me again, stirring up the status quo.

I see that you reverted one of my edits at No. 78 Squadron RAF, in that you re-instated the badge size (150px) and the caption/link to Heraldic badges of the Royal Air Force.

150px is the convention for squadron badge size established across the majority of RAF squadron articles,

Even before your intervention, I have been searching high and low for solid guidance on this, but the infobox template documentation gave me nothing except general advice to strip the image filename down to the basics, and let the infobox template handle it from there. Can you point to where the image size was agreed? It must have been back in 2004 to 2006, but it would have been so useful to see that detail incorporated into the template documentation. Or maybe it is and I missed it?

As an alternative I tried to find a model article to follow, but no RAF units seem to have made it to FA standard, so for some time I have based some of my edits on the best and most suitable military FA articles that I can find, which appear to be RAAF, such as No. 33 Squadron RAAF, which of course has a squadron badge of a similar design to RAF examples. However, that RAAF badge is sized at 120px, which leaves me slightly puzzled.

As for the caption; again I searched high and low for solid advice and settled for MOS:CAPLENGTH, which specifically addresses Infobox image captions, and yet still gives all sorts of contradictory messages including

Additional descriptive information about the image should be contained in the image description on the image's page

and

Infobox images with mission insignia – no caption needed, but if there is a description of the symbolism, it should be included on the image description page.

I'm always looking for guidance from old hands, although I'm also wary of accepting something simply because it has been there for a long time. WendlingCrusader (talk) 04:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @WendlingCrusader, there isn't detailed guidance for a lot of matters in Wikipedia, however MOS:VAR does provide some guidance on where a certain style has been established. Essentially, unless there is a good reason to change it to something else, it shouldn't be. If a different way would be better, then consensus should be sought through discussion. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history would be a good place to discuss anything and maybe a consensus can be reached and more detailed guidance produced for RAF squadron articles for example.

In terms of the squadron badge link, I guess its there as the squadron badges aren't just nice pictures, but have a lot of history and tradition behind them so its a useful link to have. I don't think it does any harm having it there.

Thx811 (talk) 21:01, 20 December 2024 (UTC)