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One Article That Serves as a Sample

As the heading indicates we should have one article that the project lists as a "model" article. Is there one article that members of this project already thinks the project can use as a sample or should we work on an article such as food?--Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to improve one of the main articles, but we need to clear one thing up, and that's how to separate the contents of food and cuisine. The topics overlap, but it seems unclear as to which one of them should, for example, have the history section. Any thoughts?
Peter Isotalo 17:03, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
This has been a thought on my mind since I began my graduate classes as the two topics of food and cuisine are separate although associated topics. I feel that food is the core topic which cuisine comes from. As for the project itself, once my final term papers are done this next week, I am going to devote some time to separating the articles into headings on the main page so that we have sections for foodstuffs, cuisine related articles, restaurants, chefs etc. In my opinion though, food and or [[drink] should be the concentration, in those articles mention of cuisine is a good idea, but only to bring the reader to the article which is technically a sub-article of that topic. I think that all made sense, if it didn't let me know what you think.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm willing to help working on food. I'm very eager to do something about the article, but I don't feel I'm the right person to define exactly what needs to be done. I've suggested that the article needs some work when it comes to history and culture, but it would be very good to receive some hints on what to focus on, good sources and all that. If anyone feels like chipping in, please let those ideas flow. Any suggestion is a good one.
Peter Isotalo 15:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey Peter, once I get back from my vacation this next week I will help out on the article. I think that is the best one for us to concentrate on. Now that my course-load is a bit lighter, Ill have more time to really get to work on articles. I'll be back in a week, I'm off to Chicago and then I'll see what I can map out.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 21:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Break

Just so people don't think I all of a sudden disappeared, I am finishing up term papers for the semester and then going away for a couple weeks. Spending a few days in Chicago eating at Charlie Trotter's and Alinea while there. So have fun until then.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 06:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm back from vacation and looking forward to working on some pages. Hope everyone is doing well.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 05:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

New member welcome and a short update on ideas

I wanted to say welcome to the newest members of the project. Although I am still newish here myself, I find this project to be very near and dear to my heart and I will be working to get some more fun and active things going on here as I get back into the swing of things over the summer. I'm considering some sort of monthly post to send to people's discussion pages to let them know of any new developments, new members and other happenings in the food world, any opinions? I also want to work on the food article and get that up to Good Article status so we have an article we can stand behind and say it is an example of the project's fine work. So welcome to you guys here below, I hope you find this as fun as I have.

--Christopher Tanner, CCC 05:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Question: Fishing?

Does the Fishing article belong in the scope of Food and Drink? It's already under the purview of WikiProject Fishing and WikiProject Sports. (NOT in the slightest saying that it isn't in this project's scope, and certainly multiple WikiProjects can cover an article.) It's just that I noticed the banner placement on my watchlist and I don't know if this project also covers how food is grown/hunted/fished/obtained.  ;) LaughingVulcan Laugh With Me / Logical Entries 01:09, 28 May 2007 (UTC) Nevermind - just reviewed the 'food' section of the article - my bad, sorry! LaughingVulcan Laugh With Me / Logical Entries 01:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Food

I spent quite a bit of time working in this article today after a review had been turned down for GA status. There is a list of items that need to be worked on to help bring it up to GA status on the talk page. It would be great to get this article to GA status so we can state that this is an article the project stands behind as a model sample for what we are looking for in a finished article.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 01:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Horseshoe sandwich

Added a merge proposal link on the main page for three articles proposed for merger into one, you can also goto Horseshoe sandwich.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 03:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Those giant cuisine banners

Does anyone know who the editors are of these things? There is one for cuisine and then other ones for Chinese cuisine and then other cuisines have them as well. I think they are a good thing overall, however, their formating is very obtrusive to the top of any article they are placed in. They obviously upset many people when they get put in as well. I like the style that many of the state banners use such as at the bottom of the page of New York where it sits down at the bottom in case someone wants to use it and it is minimized as well so as not to take up more of the actual article than necessary when not in use. I'm hoping to get through to someone on this eventually.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 18:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Top-dwelling templates can be quite the nuisance, I agree, but in this case it might not be that bad, since it doesn't seem to be competing with any infoboxes. I think it would be okay if we just restricted the use of the templates to the articles that are actually linked from it. We could also make another, horizontal template for use in other related articles.
Peter Isotalo 09:25, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Assessment of articles

I have to say this group has been keeping me busy with the amount of newly added articles for the project, I think that is a good thing though and I am happy to go through and assess them, however it may take me a few days to catch up once in awhile. Another 48 articles added today. I am happy to see the project so active (even if this discussion page isn't). Does anyone have an opinion of a notice sent out ever other week or once a month to update people on progress of things on the project , such as new members, articles to concentrate on and general information? I was considering putting together something like that to send out, but only if people would find it useful and appreciate the effort it would take from me. There is no sense in doing something if it is a fruitless endeavor.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 00:52, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I've assessed a few articles here and there, but I'm really not all that sure how consistent I've been. Whether to rank something of low or mid importance is particularly tricky. Where does one draw the line? Stinky tofu seems to be a rather obvious low-ranker, but what about rakfisk or surströmming?
Being very interested cuisine history, at least some of the articles that I've been working on lately would seem like high-importance articles. Comments?
Peter Isotalo 09:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I'd have to personally look at the articles you are working on Peter Isotalo, I certainly think that articles like Medieval cuisine are obvious high-importance. I'm not sure if that comment above is from you as well, but I find the same issue with ranking mid and low-importance. The way I go with it for example is say the number of pickle dishes that have been popping up. As pickle is in any dictionary, I would rate it high-importance, then as dill pickle would be a common knowledge item and crosses cultures, I place it at mid=importance. Finally we have a miriad of pickled food items in Asian cuisines, although they are may be common in one country, it is a regional dish and know only in that region, unless you just happen to be well versed, this makes it a low-importance item. That is how I rate articles at least.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 16:13, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Use bot to add project banner to talk pages?

Hi, I'm the person who has been adding so many seemingly random articles to the assessment pool. I was surprised at how few food articles linked to this project, so I thought I would try to help you out. It's been kind of fun following the category trees and seeing some of the more unusual foods out there. However, adding talk page banners is tedious work and it occurs to me that using a bot might a quicker way to do this. Since I am not a member of this project, I thought I'd better ask first. Using bots in this manner can be controversial; I guess the Math project got upset when someone did it without asking. So, would it be too overwhelming to have a bot go through Category:Foods and its sub-cats adding the talk page banner to all articles? This could create a large backlog of articles to assess (WikiProject Comics, my usual stomping grounds, has a backlog of 7000 articles). If you think using a bot will be problematic, I will continue to add articles to the project by hand. If you like the idea, however, I was thinking of putting in a request to User:Snowbot. --GentlemanGhost 18:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I do not have a problem with it, as I have been going through and assessing most of the articles as I can after you have linked them. I think it would be a great help and would increase the quality of the project. I have at a few times started adding groups of articles at times as you have, but a bot would be more productive I am sure.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 02:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Since no one has objected, I am going to solicit Snowbot's help in tagging food articles with the project banner. --GentlemanGhost 23:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Unrelated project templates?

A lot of articles about various food products have been assigned to projects that deal with the plants and animals from which those products are made of. I already removed some of them, like raisin and gravlax, but I hesitated when I started coming across articles like hákarl, which had been assigned to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sharks.

I'll probably ask around in the other projects, but I'd like to pose the question here first: should a food product made from a certain organism fall within the scope of projects that deal with the biology or zoology of that organism?

Peter Isotalo 17:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Speaking from experience, I'd be wary of removing other project banners. I've only seen it happen once, but inter-project conflicts are ugly and disruptive. Even if the article doesn't currently contain biological/zoological information, if it might in the future, I can see why other projects might be interested in it. Many articles fall within the scope of multiple WikiProjects and there's nothing wrong with that. WikiProjects don't own articles anyway; anyone can edit them.
What you might do, and this happened to me just today, is contact the person from the other project who tagged the talk page. Ask them if they are sure that the article is really something that their project is interested in. For example, I had recently tagged the strawberry article, but a WikiProject Plants member contacted me and let me know that I was probably more interested in the garden strawberry article. Taking a look, the first article had very little to do with the food aspect of the plant, whereas the second was of more interest. So, I took the banner off the first page and put it on the second. Consulting the other party/project is a polite way of doing it. --GentlemanGhost 21:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I do think discussion, just to avoid conflicts is a good idea. Is a consensus is not reached then it should be left on the page as in reality it is not hurting anyone by having it as part of multiple projects even if it seems like it does not really belong.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 22:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Top Assessment

I placed a section on the main page for Top Importance nomination, but as this has received little attention, does anyone else have suggestions as to how we can go about this is a more expedient manner?--Christopher Tanner, CCC 03:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

You could lower the number of nominators or you could remove that stipulation altogether. WikiProject Comics doesn't require consensus for its "Top importance" rating and thus far that category has not become over-populated with frivolous entries. --GentlemanGhost 23:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Food Portal

I have updated the Food Portal today and yesterday. I removed the lengthy introduction and added the introduction from the Food article and placed that articles picture on the top of the page as well, which also happens to be the current picture used for this project. --Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

June 2007 Newsletter

As most of you noticed, I just sent out a newsletter I created for this project. I will be working on it to be sent out around the 1st of each month, which will coincide with the Food Portal update. If you have any suggestions, please fell free to contribute. There is a link on the newsletter to add suggestions for the next issue. I hope this will be helpful and assist in keeping the project active. On a side note, I have never created a bot (I barely know what a bot is) but I know that some other projects use them to deliver their newsletters. Could anyone assist me with that task, or even make a suggestion?--Christopher Tanner, CCC 23:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Tags

Thanks to some members, my job of rating articles just increased due to the amount of tags. And that bot isn't updating properly. -- Warfreak 07:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure who takes care of this bot, Ive noticed it hasn't updated in eight days, compared to it's usual one to two days.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 21:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
It seems to have updated the list today.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 15:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
The bot's status can be found at WT:1.0/I. It was having some problems, so the operator shut it down. It's been back up and running for a while now, but it had a huge backlog from its downtime. It charts the progress of several WikiProjects. The Biography project took a long time to update, as you may well imagine.
Also, as noted above, I was planning to use a bot to comb through the food categories and tag more articles as being of interest to this project. Would that be too problematic, Warfreak? I know it would create a backlog of unrated articles even larger than what there is now. However, it would be far less tedious than doing it manually. And, hopefully, it will attract more members to the project. --GentlemanGhost 20:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Looks like more rating for me, anyway, I could get it down quick, down to a manageable level. At the moment, I've got something to spend half my weekend on. -- Warfreak 21:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I was rating articles pretty heavily for a bit there, but Ive been trying to work on a couple of articles for a bit. I will try to help out a bit for a few hours on it this weekend if I get a chance.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 22:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Cooperation on Agaricus bisporus

I was planning on having a go at improving Agaricus bisporus, i.e. the common cultivated mushroom, for a tilt at FA sometime. Wikiproject fungi just got a first FA in Amanita phalloides which may serve as a model for another fungus. If anyone is keen to have a play it may make for a good cross-project collaboration.cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 05:26, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

More Members

We definitely need more members to do most of this work. I mean, 5 people cannot just fill out the entire stub section nor do we have the knowledge or time. Maybe a recruitment drive? Anyway, eliminated another 50 unclassified articles. -- Warfreak 01:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Do you have any suggestions for a recruitment drive? What I have been doing, when I rate an article and see people who are regular contributors, I suggest they join this project. I just think overall, people find rating articles tedious and not fun so they do not want to bother with it. I'll admit myself I have taken long breaks from it so I can work on articles instead. Suggestions from the crowd would be helpful, as would assistance in getting new troops. I took out the A's tonight, I've been working on the French cuisine article though, so most of my attention is there.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 04:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
As an added note, I will put information in the next newsletter about recruitment and rating articles Warfreak.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 04:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I've slammed the unassessed articles back under 600. It somehow crept up again. I'll try to ensure that 600 is the utmost limit, since it gets harder to tolerate from there. -- Warfreak 10:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It is overwhelming isn't it, I however think it is better to have these articles associated with the project in an unassesed capacity rather than not at all. I'm sure with some help we can get them done.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 16:04, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll be unable to edit much in the near future, so the backlog should drop down to a more manageable level soon. --GentlemanGhost 22:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Seeking help on Food and Drug Administration

I noticed that this article was recently tagged as under the scope of this project, so I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help fill in a missing section. The history section currently lacks any information on important changes in the FDA's regulation of food & drink after the 1938 FD&C act that created the agency as we know it today. I wrote much of the drug-oriented content, but I don't have much expertise on the food side. Help would be greatly appreciated. -RustavoTalk/Contribs 23:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Declassification Drive

I've listed the class of the templete as cat since that will remove it from the unassessed page. If anyone has a problem, just reclass it so that it remains assessed. -- Warfreak 09:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, the use of NA as a class does not seem to work, nor does the list function -- Warfreak 11:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I've listed all lists as cat classes and some as articles due to problem with the unassessed bit. -- Warfreak 23:38, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
YES, the unassessed list it less than 500. -- Warfreak 00:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Great job Warfreak, if any of you get a chance take a look at the French cuisine article which I have done a serious rewrite on and once I get a few more things added in the next week I will be submitting it for a FA nomination.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 18:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

The Fondant Article

I read through the fondant article, fixed it up, and added a picture. It had a lot of grammatical errors, and the photo was requested. Loof1 03:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Citation Drive

I think we need a new citation drive, so I would like to add the following link to the main page:

Citation drive

There are currently more than a dozen food related articles that lack appropriate citations for their content. Please help fix this issue by researching the contents of the articles that interest you most and properly citing them.

We than can create a page of articles that list them, formatted like the Destubbification Drive. I have a partial suggestion of the layout:

Restaurants & food service
Food preparation methods
Foods

How to cite properly

Remember to make your citations in the proper format:

<ref> {{cite web |url=link |title=article name |author=Author name |publisher=The name of the site the article appeared in |date=Date article published |accessdate=When citation created }} </ref>

If the link is used more than once in the article, use the following format:

<ref name="unique name"> {{cite web |url=link |title=article name |author=Author name |publisher=The name of the site the article appeared in |date=Date article published |accessdate=When citation created }} </ref>

All following references will use that use the same source in that article will use the following:

<ref name="unique name"/>

how about it, would this be a good addition to the project?

Jerem43 04:15, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The only problem is there is more than one way to do a citation. I myself use the Chicago format, which I prefer because in doing that the articles do not end up with a large amount of text for the reference in the middle of the article. For an idea of what this format looks like take a look at the Food or French cuisine articles. The mentioned format above makes the article very bulky. I do agree with the need for proper citation however, and whatever way it is done it just needs to be consistent and properly presented on the main page and then can be mentioned in subsequent issues of the newsletter.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 06:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

French cuisine

I have nominated French cuisine for GA status. Please help by putting in your thoughts.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 19:11, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Article has been approved for GA status--Christopher Tanner, CCC 19:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Assessment tools

I have edited the assessment banner to include a list function as well as a NA function for importance. However by default the NA sends articles to low importance which I believe it does with all other projects. It is my feeling that we can assess the categories for thier importance to the project, instead of just putting an NA on them, but the option is there but as I said it is almost a moot point as by default it becomes low importance. The List function does work though.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 06:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Merger into List of fruits

Someone proposed merging Tropical fruit and List of tropical fruittrees into List of fruits last year but no discussion was made about it. Please discuss. JohnnyMrNinja 08:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merger - Bean, Legume, Pulse and Fabaceae

I have proposed a merger between Bean, Legume, Pulse (legume) and Fabaceae. Anyone interested can talk about it here. JohnnyMrNinja 01:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

need help fixing up the Cooking Techniques Template

any cooking experts are welcome to enter and help fix it up at Template:Cooking Techniques. Acidburn24m 15:01, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Tag

To make it easier, I've created a redirect from "WPFOOD" to the longer template name. So when tagging food/drink pages that need to be tagged, you can just put {{WPFOOD}} to save time and keystrokes. Badagnani 03:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


Stub designations

While looking over the various stubs that have been made for this project, I noticed a glaring omission: US regional stubs. There are several US regional stub that should be added, I am thinking of these ones:

Anyone agree/disagree? Any other suggestions? Can someone make them as I have no clue as how to?

Jerem43 09:00, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Egg whites

Egg white#Cooking and preparation of egg whites has been tagged {{not verified}} for quite a few months. I think this is going to be common knowledge about chefs or something that someone with a good kitchen will be able to verify. Can someone from this project read over that section, confirm/deny the statements there and follow up to Talk:Egg white, and remove the tag? Thanks in advance! —mako๛ 14:30, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Drinking smoke?

I'm going to be deeply embroiled in updating smoking for some time now, but while reading sources related to it, more than one author has suggested that smoking is in a way very similar to eating and drinking, even if it naturally isn't an intake of nourishment per se. I'd like to hear some opinions about possible including the main article on smoking in the project.

Peter Isotalo 12:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I do not really think of smoking a cigarette or other tabacco product as a food item of any sort, nourishment or not. I can see writing about bar culture in the article tough as well as smoking bans in restaurants. I can also see writing something about cigars and whiskey cukture in the south as well as it's place as an after meal libation. There are also the theories on appetite suppression for cigarettes.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 15:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Going on vacation

Coffee?

I don't know whether anyone is active on this wikiproject or not, but I thought I'd give it a try. I've been working on Coffee for a while, and I thought if anyone was interested, perhaps they'd like to help. Cheers, Jude. 02:49, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Saffron and Black pepper, and more specifically Maraba Coffee, may be good comparisons for an ultimate attempt at FAC.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

A taxobox would be a good place to start - its afternoon here and I'm going out for a few hours so I may get started on that if you haven't in the meantime. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:39, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Spoo featured article review

Spoo has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.--Nydas(Talk) 12:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Food Portal update and newsletter

The Food Portal has been updated for August (a day early, but I'll be busy so I'd rather it early than late) and the newsletter for August has been sent out to everyone as well. If anyone has any input for either item in the future please feel free to contact me. I hope everyone has been having a great summer. I just got back from eight days in Florida at the American Culinary Federation national convention, I took "best-of-show" for a garde manger presentation I presented there and my alma mater (SUNY Delhi) won a silver medal in the student team competition where they were representing the Northeast of the USA. --Christopher Tanner, CCC 17:02, 30 July 2007 (UTC)


Two possible issues

Health and Nutrition On the pickled cucumber talk page, someone wanted nutrition facts. While this is good information about food, I know that entries are better if they follow the same format across the board. Is this information we should include about fairly unprocessed foods? What about more elaborate foods? If so, how can that be sourced? Or, should we refer to an external soure of food information?

How different is different enough? What should qualify as a separate entry for foods -- how different does it need to be? Or how little difference should make it merge with a parent entry? Are there already standards on this, and if so, where do I find them, and if not, where should the question be posted to get best response?
I make Shepard's Pie all the time, with crust, meat (no wine, just tomatoes), corn/veggie layer, potatoes. But some people claim that something as far different as just meat (with rich sauce) with mashed yams on top is also Shepard's pie? How will we deal with this... distance? Food is necessarily a fluid, evolving world, and there aren't really "experts" so much as in other fields. What counts as citations? etc. Utopienne 17:23, 9 August 2007 (UTC) Utopienne 18:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Those are valid problems with different foods. All dishes and recipes have an origin, but not all are published or readily available. Recipes however, are not part of Wikipedia, they go with the Wikipedia cookbook (I don't have the link off hand). If there is a traceable origin for a dish however, then that primary source should be used for the citation and then under a separate heading in the article should be "variations", but sometimes the variations are so absurd they don't even resemble the original. I really do not see adding nutrition information about dishes to an article on here as a good thing though for as you state, each version can be different and quite honestly unless one is an expert at that subject, they could be completely inaccurate, forget to put in an item or allergen, someone reads that article eats the item and has an allergic reaction and someone is going to be sued, I'm not sure who. Wow these are complicated questions, I hope others chime in.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 19:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

List of chefs

Your list of chefs is on AFD at the moment, please help me improve it as I don't want to end up looking at some shitty plain list generated by the category system when I could have something which actually tells me why people are notable. Kappa 10:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Pancake Photo

I have a great photo off a typical pancake with various fruits, syrup and cream. This is a great photo as it shows the detail of the untypical short and fat pancakes, if any one want me to add it to the page just ask, i shall at request put it on the pancake page.T saston 22:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

no one want the photo then...T saston 15:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

You don't need anyone's permission or approval to add it, saston.
Peter Isotalo 21:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Basic taste

Looking to get some more input on this. The suggestion I've put forward is to merge it with taste - I don't see any need for a separate article as the main one is only about gustation. Please drop by and vote/comment. Richard001 09:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Question

I am new to this, but I noticed that one of the external links (Homebistro.com) goes to a website that sells food, I'm not sure if that's allowed? It doesn't have any explanation of the subject at all. Thanks, 20:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It should be removed, it would be considered spam.--Christopher Tanner, CCC 15:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Ethoxyquin

Could someone with knowledge of the subject please take a look at Ethoxyquin. This is a food additive (often a "preservative") that every site that isn't Wikipedia says is potentially harmful. The current article reads almost like propaganda, as it references an FDA statement from 1989. There are many reports from the FDA in the 18 year interim that suggest the opposite, besides the fact that the American FDA isn't the ultimate authority on everything. Also, is there any list or category with potentially harmful food additives? ~ JohnnyMrNinja 03:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

List of vegetable oils

I have proposed the demotion of List of vegetable oils as I feel it is a bad example to those looking to improve lists on Wikipedia. Plainly put it is badly formatted and inconsistent. See my reasoning at Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of vegetable oils. ~ JohnnyMrNinja 06:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Nutritional Information

Could nutrition information be placed with the various fruits and vegetables? I came to the Olive article looking for some nutrition information (such as antioxidant content), but couldn't find it. This external source answered my questions: Nutrition Facts and Analysis for Olives. Perhaps this source could be used to fill in nutritional information in various articles in this Wiki project? This Wiki project isn't my area of expertise, so I will defer to those of you who are working on it. Thanks! --Dulcimerist 17:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Administrator

I just wanted to let everyone know on here that I have applied to be an administrator. I believe if I am nominated to become such I will be able to greater serve this project when people have issues as-well-as when I see issues. If you are an administrator and would like to support or oppose my nomination please stop by Requests for adminship/Tanner-Christopher.--Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 21:33, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merger

Wikipedia:WikiProject Cheeses is basically almost completely inactive, but it does have a template which seems to be in use. Propose that the existing content from that project be merged into this one. Whether that group should continue to exist as a task force/work group is another matter entirely, and one I personally have no strong opinion on. John Carter 19:20, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I think some of these spin-off sister projects have the propensity to do this. I think there are people in the project still editing cheese articles, but just not active on the project page. I'd like to hear what some of the people who were part of that project think though before I fully support closing the project down and merging its components into this one.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 19:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Christopher - Jeremy (Jerem43 00:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC))
I have redone the projects page, I will rework on the Intro section and on the scope and other items. I have created a user box for the project and will create a banner when I get a chance. I think it is a valid project and just needs so support and direction again, which I think happens with many projects. With some visualizing, much like this project, it should thrive again. I will also include those members in our monthly newsletter, so that will suffice as a merge for the moment I believe. I am removing the merge tags.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 18:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose merger - I think clearly-defined subprojects like this are generally a good thing, and even when noone's posting on the Project page the articles can still be ticking away. Certainly during my ongoing assessment marathon I've tried to add a Cheese tag when I remember to - although I admit I will leave the FAD tag in place, whereas for restaurants I tend to change the FAD tag to FoodService unless it is particularly associated with a recipe/drink.FlagSteward 21:41, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Admin wanted for Souplantation

Coffee is at FAC

FWIW, Coffee is at FAC. Should have FAs etc. on project page. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:10, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Reassessment for article Burger King

Hey all, I am looking for a reassessment of the Burger King article. I have recently done significant work to it and feel that it might qualify for good article status. here are a couple of reasons:

  1. The opening to the article has been significantly rewritten so that it summarizes the full article;
  2. There are currently 45-50 citations, all of which follow the guidelines of WP:NOR and WP:IS;
  3. The article complies with the WP:NPOV standards
  4. The article now contains a good deal of information that would help the reader get an accurate feel for the subject.

As a primary contributer to the article, I feel that I am not qualified to nominate the article and really would like some outside feedback to see if my opinion is valid, and if it is of GA status, to have someone please make the nomination.

Thanks for the time, and don't be shy as I will take any criticism in good form while all the the time ranting and raving about it. - Jeremy (Jerem43 19:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC))

Hey Jeremy, you should also submit it to Good article nominations for a full peer review.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 20:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I will Chris, but I really want some outside feedback if I should make any changes\upgrades etc before I do. - Jeremy (Jerem43 20:25, 27 September 2007 (UTC))

Ah okay, I got you, when I get back from class tonight I will take a look at it.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 20:43, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look at it, I went on a correction spree in the thing and am going to continue working on these items you listed and cite to my little hearts content. - Jeremy (Jerem43 16:46, 29 September 2007 (UTC))

Holy cow

So who has been the eager one that rated so many tagged articles recently?--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 18:53, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

That'll be me then - I was rather hoping that noone would notice until I'd actually finished. Original hope was to get them all done by the end of the month, having not managed to do any for two days I'm not sure if I'll make that. I'm sure you'll find to quibble with - that's OK, when doing so many your brain does tend to frazzle a bit :-), but it's a start towards setting some priorities for the Project. Didn't help someone adding bare Project tags to about 400 articles whilst I was in the middle of it :-(, but we're getting there. FlagSteward 00:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
HAHA, I have no quibble with the work you have been doing at all for the project, I and I am sure the whole project thanks you, great work. I've tried in the past to keep up with the rating but to no avail as I try to do too many things probably.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 05:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
That probably came across wrong, but I was trying to be serious - assessments should reflect a community view rather than one man's diktat, and I certainly won't be offended by people tweaking things up or down a category - there's lots of cases where I had to ponder which side of a line an article should go. And I'm sure there will be one or two times in 1000+ articles where I just plain copy-and-pasted the wrong rating by accident... But I figured it's better to have things roughly right than not assessed at all. Folk may feel I've been a bit harsh on some of the US stuff in particular, but that's just me trying to think of WP:CSB.
I was hoping to hold off suggesting this until I'd finished my assessments, but in general the assessments could do with a quick look from the regulars, there's some real doozies in the stuff that's already been assessed - Toffifee was at High Importance FFS! I'm hoping to be done by Monday night, Sunday night if things go well - the trouble is that it's not just assessing for FAD, I've been adding tags for other Projects (I figure getting national Projects involved will help a lot with dishes in particular), copyediting some of the egregiously bad articles, putting some up for merger etc etc. All stuff that needs doing, but it just takes a lot of time.
Something else to think about is how we can tag more articles - I'd guess at least 30% of the FAD articles out there aren't currently in the Project. One thing I have noticed is how few drinks articles I'm assessing, I'm not sure if that's just because the drinks guys tend to assess when they add a Project tag, or there's a lot out there untagged. FlagSteward 13:17, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I obviously see what you mean now. There are many articles that I ran across as well with the same situation. I know about the 'lots of time thing for doing many things on here. Assessing is a tedious process as well and it is good that more people do this or check them as we get more viewpoints. As for drinks, I know most of the wine stuff was switched over to WikiProject Wine, but the other drink oriented projects do not have rating scales, so we should have our tag on them with the ability to have a rating system on them.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 22:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi guys. Just a quicky to draw people's attention to Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Food_and_drink_articles_by_quality_statistics and the lack of Unassessed articles therein :-))))))) It's been a long slog, but hopefully worth it in allowing the Project to start setting some priorities. I've had a long day doing other stuff today, so I will leave some further thoughts until tomorrow, both on the priority-setting thing and more generally about the Project. In the meantime, I would invite as many people as possible to have a skim through Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Food_and_drink_articles_by_quality/1 and following to see if there's any assessments they violently disagree with (bearing in mind WP:CSB). FlagSteward 00:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow. Could I just ask how long all of this took you? I tried doing some (and only did half of the job, really) and it took me quite some while. Congratulations on taking on and finishing such a huge task! Applejaxs 02:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Umm - started a month ago, went on holiday, then concentrated on it for the last two weeks or so - I think my record was about 200 in an evening, but it got down to 30-40 on others if there was a lot of copyediting/merging/de-orphaning etc to be done. The secret weapon is AWB using its Kingbot plug-in, which minimises the time you spend hanging around. And also once you get into the swing of it you get faster - and you also build up a list of stuff to copy-paste in for the national Projects for instance. Maybe I ought to post that list on my user page somewhere. But I quite like setting myself a big-but-manageable-and-defined task to help a Project along - for instance the Wine Project did a similar assessment marathon earlier this year, and I set myself the task of clearing all 50 or so of the High Stubs. I enjoy that kind of thing because by definition you're dealing with stuff that's important, but less fashionable, I learnt a lot. But now I'm done with the assessments here, it's probably time to go back to the Wine Project, I've got a ton of stuff to do back there, I just fancied a break doing something different. Another thing I've thought of, I have a Michael Jackson book (RIP) that has a glossary of 100 or so beer terms that he thought notable, at some point I'll cross reference and make sure that all of those make it onto Wikipedia.
In some ways it's a shame that Unassessed articles will continue to trickle into the project to mess up the stats ;-/, although you should be able to catch them on Category:Unassessed_Food_and_drink_articles and Category:Unknown-importance_Food_and_drink_articles (those that aren't Lists or Cats) before the bot does, it should be pretty manageable now. But there's certainly work to be done bringing more articles into the Project, I notice that User:Angela_C has done some sterling service adding Food tags to the articles in several categories, and there's probably scope for more such. But my real aim was not to focus on every single way that rice gets cooked in Asia (and I must have seen >100 such articles :-) ) it was really to allow the Project to start work on killing those High Stubs and Top Starts. Which has to be more of a priority right now. FlagSteward 17:29, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletions

Discuss here
Discuss here
--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:40, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
There is however a location for these on the project's main page labeled Deletion proposals, which I placed these under.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 04:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
I've somewhat re-factored the section you refer to, trying to address some confusion-related concerns that go along with the concern you expressed on my talk page. I do agree that AFD's get more attention, but the intention of notifications of this kind is to bring PROD out of obscurity so that articles so tagged are less forgotten step-children than they currently are. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 12:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

Culinary Institute of America contributions from User:Jnormy

Would someone who hasn't got 165 articles left to assess :-)) like to review recent edits by Jnormy, sort out some of their titles and perhaps have a word? I don't doubt that the CIA is notable, but I suspect we have a WP:COI issue here, and the articles need a bit of wikifying. FlagSteward 17:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm working on it, the CIA article needs to be sourced as I tried fixing it at one point but it is a mess again. I'm taking a look at his other work, don't worry.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 18:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
The Culinary Institute of America article has been rewritten and sourced as it had a lot of plagiarism on it but I didn't want the article deleted. I flagged two of the other articles for speedy deletion and rewrote the Augie Award article with proper citation.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 20:36, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I got rid of the Augie Award article and made it a redirect and added the info to the Culinary Institute of America article.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 21:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Good stuff Christopher - I didn't intend to trash your Sunday chasing this up though :-) FlagSteward 00:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Honestly I've been wanting to work on the CIA article for sometime. I have taken many continuing education classes there and have some friends who teach there as well, so this just pushed me to make the article better. When I'm not so busy with classes I'll get some more done on it, my work on my cuisine articles has been falling behind though. Grad school takes up a lot of my time. I need to take a look at the CIA Greystone article as well, because at first glance it looks like it is heavily plagiarized as well. I think it is better working in tandem like that anyhow, with you putting in the request and myself working through the issue as I know the school well. As soon as I saw Tim Ryan's article I knew it was plagiarism from some of the press releases I had read recently.

Great job and a thanks from everyone I am sure for getting those rated articles down to zero. A true accomplishment that I was proud of many months ago and then we had that big jump. I have to say I am glad we have so many more articles associated with us now though.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 01:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Pot Roast is not a cut of beef

Pot roast should not be listed as a cut of beef. It's a way to cook a cut of beef. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patchogue (talk • contribs) 20:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the Pot roast article I see it defined as a way of cooking beef.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 20:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Think Patchogue was thinking of the Pot roast (beef) article, which unless I'm missing some subtlety of US terminology, is trying to be a WP:ISNOT#HOWTO for a pot roast using beef, confusingly illustrated with the infobox for chuck steak. From this side of the pond, it looks like it should be merged with the main Pot roast article and the infobox removed. Incidentally, whilst we're on the subject it's worth mentioning the WP:CSB issues with any reference to beef cuts - British cuts are completely different to the US cuts (there's some good diagrams in the main Beef article) and confusingly we use the same name for different bits of the animal, so for clarity both variants should be mentioned if you're talking about beef. FlagSteward 00:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Top Starts

As part of the aftermath of my assessment marathon (BTW thanks for the barnstar Christopher :-) ) I've redone the Destubbification page - all the Top and High Stubs are now highlighted at the top, and I've cleaned out the ones from the list below that are no longer Stubs. On a similar vein, some of you will know of my 'diagonals' theory, that I regard it as equally important to get Top Start -> B as it is High Stubs -> Start. The nice thing is that it is fairly easy for one person to get an article up into B territory and it does make that article a lot more useful to non-specialists, getting to GA or beyond is much tougher, with diminishing returns. So here are the current Top Starts, roughly ordered :

Obviously the Top Stubs are even more pressing - Condiment, Dairy product, Dish (food), Herb - although might I be slightly controversial and suggest that while Dish (food) is obviously a very important concept - is it just a Wiktionary definition? I just feel that any "Top" article should have the potential for a pretty chunky article - and I'm just not 'feeling' it on that one. Perhaps the industry insiders will disagree. I'm not volunteering for a destubbification drive BTW - I've got too much to do back at the Wine Project :-), but I might knock off one or two, like British cuisine for instance. FlagSteward 17:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, I will try to clean some of these up and perhaps work something into next months newsletter for promotion.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 17:44, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Additional comment for anyone who wants to help I have been working on cuisine articles. I have nominated Italian cuisine for GA nomination and I am attempting to work my brain around the Japanese and Chinese cuisine articles. Many of the Asian cuisine articles are really a mess as they are just HUGE lists of dishes and ingredients which I am pulling out of the articles and making into separate lists. For reference, I am using the French cuisine article as a template as it is at GA status and could easily be brought up to FA status if I devoted some time to it, but would like to get these other ones up higher first.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 17:51, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Can I join this project solely for just Chinese cuisine? I can fix up and improve a number of individual Chinese cuisines (including American Chinese cuisine) as well as the main pages. I would like to make some pretty hefty changes on behalf of the project. Benjwong 22:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Aboslutly, many of us join just to do work on specific interests which is what is best honestly. It is better to work toward your skill set, rather than spread yourself thin. Please join, we'd love your contribution.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 05:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Heck, if beef is top importance, then so is pork..I am planning to work up pork (and maybe potato) for FAC sometime in the next 3-4 months. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:08, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Does Portuguese cuisine really belong in the "top" category? It doesn't quite feel like its importance is really on the same level as, for example, Chinese, Indian, Japanese, French or Italian cuisine. German and Spanish cuisine, even Greek cuisine, eventhough I believe they rightfully belong in the "high" category, are better known than Portuguese food.
Peter Isotalo 11:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Great I will focus on chinese cuisine. Benjwong 18:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Lactose intolerance

Hello fellow foodists, I'd been watching this page for some time and had tried contributing once long ago, to little success because I had very little idea of Wiki's ins and outs. I was not aware that my very first intervention created a fuss because I never received any notification. For my past behavior, please accept my apologies. Today I had a few hours to spare so I decided to contribute in a positive way and add references to many many paragraphs that had none and do some cleaning up of double info, mostly in the "managing" section but also in the definitions, and "nutritional concerns". I've made only minor corrections and or deleted doubles in other areas. I hope this will help the article progress in it's quality scale. The main areas of confusion were generally due to people not properly distinguishing between types of lactose intolerance and hopefully the reference I put forth in the intro will clarify things for the future. My lack of expertise in wiki footnote/reference formatting will unfortunately be pretty obvious to you. I am learning... My presence on Wiki is patchy due to the nature of my work. If you have any communications which remain unanswered for any length of time, please send me a email. Truly--Tallard 10:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Restaurant

Would you believe that this article, one of the fundamental articles related to this project and the WikiProject Foodservice, has only two (2) citations? That is nuts. We really need to make this one a priority I think, it needs to be a GA.

- Jeremy (Jerem43 18:37, 13 October 2007 (UTC))

I've really been wanting to work on that for awhile, I've been immersed in cuisine articles and doing format work for the Food and Drink subsidiary projects so I haven't had time to deal with that or the Culinary art article as well. The history portion of {{restaurant]] is very POV and actually wrong as well as per much of my grad research and the book Invention of the Restaurant which I source in the French cuisine article. Perhaps if others in this project are interested, we can start a monthly article improvement drive which I will associate with the monthly newsletter.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 05:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

A monthly Article Improvement Drive has been bouncing around me old head for a little while, especially after looking at the McDonald's family of articles. They are bad, and I mean bad. It seems that people think that every little thing that the company should be listed with its own article, there must be two-three dozen stubs. There are articles about McDonald's version of fruit salad, its individual flavors of shake, it's version of chicken strips and the killer- articles about each one of its slogans. I have proposed at least a dozen merger proposals for redundant, non-notable products or ad concepts.

-Jeremy (Jerem43 01:06, 23 October 2007 (UTC))

I just fixed the list-class and NA (non-article) importance for the assessment banner. I know someone mentioned a while ago there was an issue and I just figured it out finally when building assessment banners for the Beer and Cheeses projects.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 05:33, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

template

hello - looking for an infobox template on beverages ... where can i find it? cheers, PaddyM 20:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Which beverage type are you looking for? If you are looking for mixed beverages you might check out WikiProject Mixed drinks.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 06:22, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm looking for one on whiskey, but I can't seem to find anything standardized. Is there just a generic one for an alcoholic beverage? Cheers, PaddyM 15:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
There is one on Whiskey right here - Wikipedia:List of infoboxes/Society#Whisky

--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 15:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Open Cuisine

Hello. I have come across Open cuisine while patrolling new articles with possible COI (it has been created by User:Foodizmo, who has made few edits outside this article, and something called the 'Foodizmo project' is mentioned in the article). I am not sure how credible the article is and would be grateful if you would look it over. Thanks. --Malcolmxl5 22:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I just looked at it and I am going to propose it for PROD based upon the fact that it is non-notable and original research based on the one citation.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 06:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

October newsletter

I apologize to everyone, I just realized that the October newsletter never went out to anyone. It was posted on the main page of the project, but oops not to any of you. I'd send it out now but a new issue will be coming out in about a week anyways so I'll just send it to all of you then. If anyone is interested in proposing an article for an "Improvement drive" next month let me know.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 06:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Restaurant It is bad baby, bad...

We will need to settle on formating issues, specifically citation formats, before working on this article.

- Jeremy (Jerem43 05:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)) Sox won

I know I use the Chicago format and many of the academically inclined writers seem to go along that line. However I see a proliferation of the inline citation format which I personally can't stand. We end up with an excessively large amount of text within the edited article which makes it hard for any future editors to work with. In addition the inline format gives a gigantic number of lines for references when a simple name with a page number could bring the reader down to what could generally be less than 10 sources for a well written article. In the inline format, the full book is mentioned repeatedly and to me is just repetitive and messy.--Chef Christopher Allen Tanner, CCC 01:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Importance nomination process

Hi. I have just contributed to the debate on the main page, and I noted this line in the introduction: after 5 supports or 14 days with a majority in "support", the article shall be raised to Top importance. Now, while I can fully get behind discussing importance nominations (and I wish it happened in more wikiprojects that I am involved with!) this approach is in direct contravention of WP:DEMOCRACY. Put simply, Wikipedia is goverened by discussion and consensus, not polling. A single, reasoned, cogent argument is worth more than any number of "votes". I'm not suggesting that any member of this project would descend to mindless "Support per nom" idiocy, but that is what this current system encourages. Can we please think about removing that line and leaving the discussion as simply that: an open discussion, through which consensus can be built, please? Pyrope 14:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Adding Chefs

First, I am new to the project; I have been in Wikiproject:Mixed drinks for a while, and recently decided to do a spat of work that dovetailed with this project, so I joined y'all.

So in a fit of realizing I have TOO MUCH INFO in my brain about chefs who appear on tv (not, please, 'celebrity chefs', as to be honest, I know *nothing* about Rachael Ray, Sandra Lee, Nigella Lawson, etc), I decided to start working on bios of real chefs for WP. I've started with the chefs on The Next Iron Chef, mostly because I wanted a page on Chris Cosentino (whose blog, Offal Good, I read regularly), and there was a nice neat list of chefs to start with. I've done John Besh, Chris Cosentino and Michael Symon in the last 24 hours (they are the easiest of the contestants to bio), and will be working on the rest of them on a day by day basis (Jill Davie has hosted some cooking shows, and Gavin Kaysen has gotten a lot of press recently over his promotion at Daniel Boulud's (his page really needs to be cited), so they should be easily done tomorrow, leaving me with Sanchez and Molou, since Traci Des Jardins already had a page).

I would really appreciate input and contributions on John Besh, Chris Cosentino and Michael Symon. I'd especially appreciate a look at Cosentino, as his entry was deleted at the beginning of the year for not being notable. I believe he has crossed the line, with all the coverage he's had this year (even pre-NICA), but an extra look to make sure I've stated why he is notable would be great. Thanks!--Thespian 00:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

thanks to people who came by; I have finished the rest of the contestants: Jill Davie, Gavin Kaysen, Morou Ouattara, and Aarón Sanchez. In addition, Cosentino was a DYK? article, Kaysen will be in a day or so, and Morou is also up for it. Most of the next week, though, my food-oriented time is going to be prepping for my Next Food Network Star audition next week.--Thespian 05:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

it would be great to make a template with links to all the different kinds of peppers. (bell peppers, etc) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.161.106 (talk) 00:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Gimme a list and a break down of the like types and I will try.

- Jeremy (Jerem43 05:16, 31 October 2007 (UTC))

I'd suggest starting with the disambiguation page that you find at Pepper, and then growing it out from there. --Thespian 05:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Shea butter's "anti-inflammatory effects"

In the referenced article used to validate Shea butter's claimed anti-inflammatory properties @ PubMed (PMID:15779163),Shea butter is described as an "excepient" - an inactive medicinal base used to carry the active ingredient, which in this case is in actuality the extract of Khaya senegalensis. However, another PubMed article (PMID:14619690) claims that Shea butter released aureomyicn at a faster rate and more easily than other tested excepients (petroleum jelly and lanolin oil), and this is relevant to the Shea butter article as PMID:15779163 is to the article on Khaya senegalensis. - James D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.67.5 (talk) 04:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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