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Proposed change to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna)

There is a current proposal to change an animal-related naming convention, which directly effects the the Manual of Style guideline, and the naming conventions policy. If you are interested, your input would be appreciated. Justin ^chat 06:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Move proposal for name uniformity

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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 Not done - no consensus on what moves, if any, ought to be made. As Alai suggests, WP:CFR may be the best venue for this discussion. Neıl ☎ 10:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

As things currently stand, the main article regarding the subject of this WikiProject is Felidae. However, the category which represents this subject is Category:Felines, and the stub category is Category:Feline stubs/{{feline-stub}}. I propose that we go for a more uniform naming - i.e we do one of the following 2 choises:

1. Felidae → Felines
2. All three of the following moves:

   Category:Felines → Category:Felidae

   Category:Feline stubs → Category:Felidae stubs

   {{feline-stub}} → {{felidae-stub}}

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

• The common name is far more useful. --129.98.215.240 (talk) 10:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose - Technically, only one half of the family are felines. the other half are pantherines. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:00, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

So do you think they should all be renamed to the Felidae forms (option 2)? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Neither. Create a pantherine set of categories for the members of Pantherinae, and leave the rest alone. Barring that, go with #2. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose - This is simply not what the word 'feline' means. Change the categories to a more accurate name if that's useful, but I don't think it's a good idea to change the article name so that it doesn't match the topic being discussed. Anaxial (talk) 18:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
• Here is a discussion which took place in October about the stub category name, fwiw. Her Pegship (tis herself) 14:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support, for a number of reasons. First, using scientific names as category names makes more sense than common names. We use common names for articles because Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia. However, categories are there to assist editors, and in that sense scientific names make hierarchical categorization MUCH easier (since we don't have to go looking for various common names).

I'm a little confused as to the suggestion that the word "feline" does not mean the taxonomic family Felidae. That's exactly what the category says it means. Feline redirects to Felidae and Category:Pantherinae is a subcat of Category:Felines. It seems some are implying that "feline" refers to Felinae, which the above issues, not to mention the Dictionary.com definition, seems to contradict. Justin ^chat 19:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

• Strong wikiprojects are not the correct venue for discussing category renaming. Take the permcat to CFR in the first instance, and if renamed, the stub category is sure to follow. (This has just recently been discussed at SFR, indeed, so please let's not have the appearance of venue-shopping.) Alai (talk) 02:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
• Yeah, this cfr should be relisted. And btw, categories are for non-editors too, no? --Eliyak T·C 07:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
• I think there's a lot to be said for making it clear that there are two types of "felids" in existence: "felines" and "pantherines". Exactly how that is done might be a question, and we should take common usage into account and be very careful with redirects and dablinks. I'm curious why Feline doesn't redirect to Felinae, or failing that, why there isn't a link to Felinae at Feline (disambiguation). -GTBacchus^(talk) 23:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

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Talk:Cat play and toys

User:Tabby needs help adding sources to this article. —Viriditas | Talk 12:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Standard for galleries?

Across several cat color pages, like the one I've worked on (Bicolor cat), we've been hit by lots of people putting in their own cat instead of the ones we have, and have created a gallery at the bottom to display the range of colors. Might I propose that the following become officially the guideline for how to do so on cat articles? I know various wikiprojects have their own style guidelines , so I thought I'd bring it up here (I don't know much about wikiprojects, really, so let me know if this is wrong):

1. Image galleries should contain no more than 4 images per section, though they may contain as many gallery sections as required - this is because 4 images is the most that will fit without wrapping at 1024x768, which is what the majority of people on the web use
2. Image captions should explain what the image is showing: instead of "Charlotte the cute cat", something like "A tuxedo cat displaying a goatee pattern"
3. Images should be as depersonalized as possible: instead of "Mister Kitty shows off his perfect Tuxedo coat", something like "A typical tuxedo coat"

What do you think? The gallery on bicolor cat right now serves as a guide to the extensive variation of what can be called "bicolor" - without it, it might be easy to assume that black and white is the only bicolor pattern cats come in, or that tuxedo is the only pattern for bicolored cats. At the same time, it's not an indiscriminate collection, because I keep a close eye to make sure each image shows something different. Kuronue | Talk 16:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedians' cats

Images of your cats are now being collected here. Please contribute. I was going to make WP:CATBOOK, modeled after WP:FACE but thought it best to restrict the gallery to my user space for now.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 19:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Template help

I tried editing the template(sample:Abyssinian (cat)) to look more like the dog template, with organizations on the left col. and link on the right column. But my hackjob didn't turn out right and the right col. extended beyond the right border. Can someone look at this version of the code and find out what's wrong? There is no sandbox, so you have to save it and refresh one of the cat breed page to see the layout. Thanks. --165.21.154.90 (talk) 04:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, that's still not quite right. I'm working on it, though. Will add a sandbox for future testing once I'm done. Zetawoof_(ζ) 00:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Finished. Enjoy. Zetawoof_(ζ) 07:37, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the work. One more request. Is there a way to make the "Breed standard" bar not show when neither no standard or status is filled in? For a breed that is not a cat fancy created breed like the Van Kedisi. Having a "Not recognized by any major registries" statement seems inappropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.21.154.90 (talk) 08:05, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Seems like they are recognized as Turkish Van by some registries. So that won't be a problem for now.--165.21.154.88 (talk) 08:32, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Just stick something in the otherstd field. Doesn't necessarily have to be a specific breed standard - "naturally occurring" will suffice for a case like this. Zetawoof_(ζ) 09:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I just fixed it in the sandbox, but I made other changes and would like some feedback. --165.21.154.94 (talk) 08:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Proposed infobox change

Old box
An Abyssinian looking at you
Other names	Abynominator
Origin	Egypt
Breed standards
CFA	standard
FIFe	standard
TICA	standard
ACF	standard
ACFA/CAA	standard
CCA-AFC	standard
Domestic cat (Felis catus)

Proposed box
An Abyssinian looking at you
Other names	Abynominator
Origin	Egypt
Breed standards
CFA	standard
FIFe	standard
TICA	standard
ACF	standard
ACFA/CAA	standard
CCA-AFC	standard
Domestic cat (Felis catus)

Alternative names, nicknames, and origin fields are put together to reduce the number of horizontal bars. Characteristics field idea taken from here. If people think it is a good idea, we can discuss what fields are appropriate.--165.21.154.94 (talk) 08:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

As interesting as I find their content to be, I don't think Animal Planet could be considered a reliable source, or at least not reliable enough to place their information in a prominent infobox. Is there a better source for this kind of information (characteristics)? Or can we determine where AP got their information from?

The aesthetic/layout changes seem fine; no objection to that. -- Quiddity (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, no. I don't intend for us to copy their actual rating, just the idea of the graphical representation. Rating of individual characteristics would have to be based on the usual policies and guidelines like WP:V, WP:RS etc.--165.21.154.94 (talk) 19:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Just changed color scheme to match the (relatively) new Animalia color. See Wikipedia_talk:Taxobox_usage#Another_color_for_animal-taxobox.3F.--165.21.154.93 (talk) 06:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The horizontal bars don't look to bad with the new color.--165.21.154.93 (talk) 06:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Can I assume the lack of objection as consent? I'm dropping the alt name and origin formatting. Just going to implement the characteristics section. And I would like to increase the default image size. 200 is alright for portrait shots but too small for landscape. Maybe an optional image width field. --165.21.155.10 (talk) 12:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

• Do we have a reliable source to take characteristics values from? It's only worth implementing if we do.
• Size: Infoboxes should generally be a standard width. Partially just so that they don't overwhelm the screen at smaller resolutions (800x600, or smaller portable interfaces). We also try to encourage the habit of "click the image for larger and credits" by using the default 180px wide thumbnails everywhere. I'd recommend against increasing the size, from the current 200px. -- Quiddity (talk) 18:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The source would depends on individual articles. More popular breeds would probably have more reliable source describing their characteristics while others might only have breed standards/description to go by.--165.21.155.17 (talk) 03:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

If the scale of characteristics doesn't come from a single site, we would have to apply original research in order to interpret the data into this 1-5 scale. -- Quiddity (talk) 04:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Cats: Audio requests parameter added

Following the precedent I set with Template:BirdTalk, I have added a |needs-audio parameter to the template (the equivalent of |needs-photo). This can be seen in use on talk:cheetah. Richard001 (talk) 09:00, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Suspected hoax article

American Keuda is tagged as a suspected hoax. I don't really know the subject area and was hoping an expert here might weigh in. I was unable to find any reference to this alleged breed in reliable sources. Anything I found traced back to either wikipedia or to the "The American Keuda Cat Association". I do not believe it is an actual hoax, but its notability is certainly suspect. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 19:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

hybrid cat

I created the article hybrid cat but I do not have time to edit it a lot not will be able to when I am not at school but if you could edit it put in more info then that would be amazing. Now the article has only two sentences in it. but it has two refrences and two external links. You can reach me at my talk page User talk:Miajmw.Miagirljmw14 19:32, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I have redirected this article to Felid hybrid since that article already exists and covers the same subject. Coaster1983 (talk) 04:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Per the request in Wikipedia:WikiProject Cats, it might be appropriate to have a separate article for domestic hybrids. It could be expanded to include both domestic/wild hybrids and domestic/domestic crosses(not sure if these are considered hybrids). 220.255.x.x (talk) 05:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

My apologies, I did not see that request. It probably would be a good idea to create a new article on domestic/wild cat crosses. The Domestic Cat & hybridization section in Felid hybrid could be moved into the new article. That section would then be condensed into a one or two paragraph summary. Coaster1983 (talk) 16:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

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Native eyes

has been proposed for deletion. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 17:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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Prince Chunk

I just created a stubby article for the 44-pound wonder known as Prince Chunk. Anyone here should feel more than free to expand the article.--DrWho42 (talk) 17:58, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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RFC at Christian the lion

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Requesting to move page Cat to Domestic cat

Comments are welcome Mieciu K (talk) 20:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Please do. We get a language reformer through every so often; the more quickly they can be discouraged, the more likely they are to become a useful editor. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Help needed

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Proposing delisting of rabies as Good article

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Cat training

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Tabby cat

The article Tabby cat was suddenly moved to Tabby coat pattern by User:Cats rule yesterday without any previous discussion nor consensus. I think the title is terrible because it focuses only cats' patterns not cats with a pattern. However, I could not move it back to the original because some anon tested the redirect page[1] If anyone wants to name the current title, s/he should've open a discussion and requests for move first? Any thought?--Caspian blue 19:38, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

• Talk:Tabby coat pattern#Requested move

I request for move the article per an admin's suggestion. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks.--Caspian blue 16:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)--Caspian blue 16:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

proposed: replace reqbreedphoto with reqphoto

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Pantherinae and Big cat

Unless the experts need a page to put scientific details that would mess up the common name page, I'd say we should loose the Pantherinae page and redirect to Big cat.76.97.245.5 (talk) 22:54, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Not all Big cats are Pantherines: both the cheetah and the cougar are often called "big cats" (and are treated as such on the respective Wikipedia article). Regardless, the concept of "big cats" vs "small cats" is entirely unscientific, and should be avoided as a taxonomic or distinguishing description. DaMatriX (talk) 13:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

How to delete talk pages?

I'm wondering how to delete talk pages. I think the talk page for Sarabi (Talk:Sarabi)should be deleted as the article no longer exists as it seems the article has become a redirect. I can't seem to find any information on Wikipedia's halp page. Any help on this topic would be appreciated.Kpstewart (talk) 05:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for making me aware of this new information. I'd like to review the articles cited by the IUCN website before making these large changes (which means i first need to go to a location for free access to the articles).--Kpstewart (talk) 04:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

On Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals there has been a discussion on this subject. Several issues has been discussed, and several problems are now solved. DaMatriX (talk) 19:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for updating WP Cats on this discussion.--Kpstewart (talk) 02:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Merger of White Amur Tiger into Siberian Tiger

Done today. Seduisant (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

What subspecies is this File:Indochinese Tiger.jpg

I read on the article talk page for Indochinese Tiger where the above image is used that it is a Malayan Tiger and not a Indochinese Tiger. This seems plausible as the Malayan Tiger was on split from the Indochinese Tiger in 2004 so it's likely many may be identified as Indochinese Tigers. (This also raises the issue for all of our images currently identified as Indochinese Tigers.) I looked at the image talk page but it's just makes the situation more confusing as it says "origin of this tiger is from Sundarbans the largest single block of tidal halophytic mangrove forest in the world spread across areas of Bangladesh and West Bengal, India" which would seem to suggest to me it's a Bengal Tiger. As an offside, presuming this is an originally wild tiger the situation may be clear but I wonder if captive bred tigers can currently be categorised into the subspecies. If they have not been recognised and therefore not managed as separate subspecies it seems likely they've been effectively interbred until recently Nil Einne (talk) 18:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Ragdoll

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Proposed move of History of cats to Cultural depictions of cats

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Capitalization of subspecies' names

I have recently discovered that there is no consistency within Wikipedia's Cat articles in regards to the capitalization of the second word in the title of subspecies articles. For example, we have the Amur Leopard and the Javan leopard. This lack of consistency extends to Category:Tigers and Category:Lions, and perhaps other species as well.

As per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Animals, plants, and other organisms, there is no strict standard, but I think we should try to find some consensus. As they exist now, the majority of Lion, Tiger, and Leopard articles have both words capitalized (Amur Leopard); however, in most of the text within all cat articles, titles written such as "Amur leopard". In fact, if you look at the first sentence in most articles, the common name is in lower case. This mismatch between article title and in-text usage means that most of the time when one clicks on the wikilink, they are taken through a redirect page.

I advocate for having the common name (the second word) in the title to be in lower case; however, I realize that this may mean moving several articles. I welcome any discussion on this matter. --Tea with toast (talk) 17:03, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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"feline" redirects

Shouldn't the redirects feline and felines go to Felidae, since in common English they refer to the whole cat family? While that may be incorrect from a scientific perspective, I think that most people typing in "feline" would expect to find an article on the cat family as a whole. Calathan (talk) 20:55, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Krazy Kat's FAR

I have nominated Krazy Kat for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. GamerPro64 (talk) 03:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal

A new article calico cats was created by a new editor recently. There is an open merger proposal to merge the contents into tortoiseshell cat. Your input at Talk:Tortoiseshell cat#Merging tortoiseshell cat with calico cat? No way! is requested. howcheng {chat} 23:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

FAR

I have nominated Lion for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 00:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Cats articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.

We would like to ask you to review the Cats articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th.

We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as One Laptop per Child and Wikipedia for Schools to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide. Please help us, with your WikiProject's feedback!

For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 22:13, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Article on pink-dyed Oi Kitty?

I was wondering whether we have any content related to Oi Kitty, the cat dyed pink, which can be found in at least a few sources as per here. John Carter (talk) 15:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't know if the article is notable enough to warrant its own article, but you could certainly add it to the article List of cats. And please add a reputable source (the BBC article is probably best) --Tea with toast (talk) 01:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Cat related controversy

I just expressed some concerns on Talk:The Standard of Perfection: Show Cats. If you have seen the PBS show you might like to join in. The article, based on TV reviews, (IMO) misrepresents the show. Steve Dufour (talk) 13:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing

I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 20:13, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Cats the musical

Just proposing a rename of Category:Characters in Cats to Category:Characters in Cats (musical). See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 24#Category:Characters in Cats. Simply south...... 00:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Cancer in cats

WP:MCOTW has selected Cancer as January's article. There's currently nothing at all in the article about cancer in animals or veterinary oncology. I'm not sure how many relevant articles exist (I did find cancer in dogs and cancer in cats), but it would be wonderful if someone here would create at least a tiny new section titled something like ==In other animals== at the end of this article. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:03, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I feel like the Cancer article is already quite large and broad in scope. I do not think that having a dedicated section "in other animals" would improve the quality of that article. I think the best thing to do right now is improve the quality of the cancer in cats and veterinary oncology articles. Both are poorly sourced and have a lot of room for improvement. --Tea with toast (talk) 03:58, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Hot articles subscription

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14 edits	Jorts (cat)
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Hello, any cat-owners?

Hi Wikipedians! I'm not searching for help about Wikipedia, but I wish if any Wikipedians are here who own cats, and know much about them. Please help me by stepping forward! Thanks,--Sainsf<^> (talk) 12:59, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

The {{helpme}} template is supposed to be used for users who need help. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:11, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I own a cat, two actually. And they are graceful creatures. Mine always fight because they're both girls and the one who is younger actually grew so big by the end of 2010. - signed comment added by Notshane (talk) 15:00, 16 April 2011

RFC at Talk:Copulation#Should_the_Copulation_article_exist.3F

You may want to participate in the RFC at Talk:Copulation#Should_the_Copulation_article_exist.3F --Philcha (talk) 13:43, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

why?

I had edited a page, just putting a simple fact, but it was deleted... why is that? Is it probably because I did not provide a source for the single fact?

-Dragan 21:57, 11 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deragan (talk • contribs)

Yes, if you did not provide a reliable source for the fact you added, then the edit was probably deleted for that reason. Please read about Wikipedia's Verifiability policy for more information. I greatly appreciate you effort to improve the cat content on Wikipedia, and I hope you are not discouraged by this. If you have any other questions about how things work here, let me know. Also, whenever you make posts to talk pages like this, be sure to sign your name by typing 4 "~" (~~~~) This will create an automatic link to your user page and user talk page as well as a time stamp for your comment. Happy editing! --Tea with toast _(talk) 17:37, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Pixie-Bob

Someone from this project needs to step up and keep a watch on this article. You have a group of new editors whose only edits are to this page. I've cleaned up the article a couple of times but am giving up on the fight. References are to breeders' blogs and websites, no official information sites or IMHO 'cite-able' sources. The gallery is going to soon be out of scale with the article at the current rate of additions. blah blah blah... you've heard it all before. But, I'm done with it... it is coming off my watch-list as soon as I'm done posting here. —N·M—^talk 15:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. --Tea with toast _(talk) 00:03, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Felis attica

I created the subject article about this Miocene Era felid today. It fills a small gap in the WP Felidae -> Felis lineage. Anyone having lots of spare time and a middling knowledge of paleontology would do the Project a favor by expanding the article. I'll be back to work on it as time permits. Cheers, --Seduisant (talk) 02:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Cat training addition - with media

I have some relevant cat media that might be of use to this group. The videos are part of the WikiCG collaboration, and contain cat training demonstrations that are under the Creative Commons license. The videos are available here: WikiCG Cat Training WikiCGmedia (talk) 05:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Domestic cats compared to big cats

Why do domestic cats eyes close to a slit in bright light and big cats eyes close to a dot like human eyes?

I have often wondered why there is a difference between the two types of felines?

Thank you

Noel Berent Australia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.8.192 (talk) 12:30, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Changing the taxonomy of cats

Hello, WikiProject Cats editors. You have a topic of interest to this group at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mammals's talk page. It was started some time ago, but has yet to be resolved (2 years of taxonomy need be reviewed). — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ Contribs. 23:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Page move for capitalisation

I think an admin needs to start moving the cat articles from title case to sentence case article titles, i.e. Leopard Cat -> Leopard cat. I think only WP:BIRDS and some dragonflies, moths, and butterflies articles are the only animals still capitalised, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (fauna). Cheers, Jack (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

If editors in this wikiproject think that articles like British Shorthair should be kept capitalized, they should make a note in the wikiproject page saying so, then add a link in Wikipedia:FAUNA#Capitalisation_of_common_names_of_species. --Enric Naval (talk) 11:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Nyalan, the Cat

Hello, i'm not a member of the wikiproject cats but I am amazed that there isn't an article about this cat: Nyalan (http://www.jalan.net/nyalan/ ) . As you see in the site, Nyalan is the mascot of Jalan, a popular travel agency in japan (subsidiary of Recruit) and has already appeared in many youtube viral videos. Is he worth an article in wikipedia or at least a mention in the "list of fictional cats" article? thank you! 93.34.49.47 (talk) 20:09, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, the link you provided about Nyalan leads to a site in Japanese (which I can't read) so I can't comment on the notability of this cat. Have you suggested this to the editors at the Japanese Wikipedia? Perhaps the article would have more relevance there. Thanks. --Seduisant (talk) 20:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for answering me! He does have a section in the Jalan article in Japanese (and Nyalan is still popular in japan, at least Jalan's Nyalan advertisements are everywhere as I saw it personaly this month on a trip to Osaka and Tokyo) but he did gained a bit of fame in the occidental world when his first tv ad got viral on youtube, here's an english link: http://www.urlesque.com/2010/02/01/jalans-cat-advertisements-videos-japan/ .

Anyway, I understand that he isn't popular anymore here so I'll just hope the Japanese Wikipedia can expand the Jalan article in the future. thank you and excuse me for my grammar, my native tongue is actually spanish! 93.34.52.189 (talk) 19:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Notability guidelines for cat breeds?

Hi everyone, I just came across the article for York Chocolate Cat, and I'm tempted to send it to AFD for failing GNG, but I wanted to check here first to see if anyone had some insight on notability guidelines for cat breeds (since I'm not particularly familiar with this topic area). As far as I can tell, there is almost no coverage in books (11 Google Books results total, most of which are junk titles whose content is lifted straight from WP), and general Google search results seem to bring back only low quality user-generated websites. Thanks! SheepNotGoats (talk) 17:29, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

More specifically, the article says that the breed was granted champion status by the "Canadian Cat Association" and the "Cat Fanciers Federation", but I don't know enough about cat breeding to know if these organizations are notable enough to merit inclusion of the breed. SheepNotGoats (talk) 17:43, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed related project

Stale

 – Project was not created.

I have proposed a new group to work on the broad topic of human-animal interaction. It can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Human-animal interaction. Any input would be more than welcome. John Carter (talk) 21:28, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Catsbe.com

Good evening and my apologies for the bother.

I'm the owner of a brand new, totally free site: www.catsbe.com. The main reason for this site to exist is to be the first attempt in creating a worldwide cat census (and offering geolocal services such as finding lost cats, vets, shelters, associations and so on). I was a regular user of the italian wikipedia, in the past, so I know the rules and that I can't, nor I want, create a page about it. But I'd like to know if it can be considered of encyclopedian valor. And, if so, what are the right steps to be included on wikipedia.

Thanks, Hacchan (talk) 17:27, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Merge of garbage stub

Resolved

 – Done.

I'm going to merge the bogus stub Siamese Persian cats to Himalayan (cat) forthwith, barring any serious objections with reliably sourced backing. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 13:17, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Seems reasonable..especially as the journal dates to 1931 which antedates the 1980s origin considerably....Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:38, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I kept the source (which was valuable) and added that to Himalayan (cat), then just redirected the Siamese Persian cats page which was otherwise just a bunch of sourceless WP:NFT crap, and wrong to boot. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 00:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

International Schrödinger's cat day

Disregard

 – Off-topic

What about an "International Schrödinger's cat day" for the 17th of February?
I've started a comment on Talk:Schrödinger's cat talk page with the purpose of popularizing what this paradox is about. Just in case someone is interested: there are some reasons for which in Italy the 17th of February has been chosen as a National Cat day ("Festa del gatto").
  M aurice   Carbonaro  10:47, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

This is not what Wikipedia talk pages are for, and WP is not a social network. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 00:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

URLs to the breed standards published by four groups have all changed

• Cat Fanciers' Association (CFA): URLs that used to be in the form http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/standards/manx.html are now at URLs like http://www.cfainc.org/Portals/0/documents/breeds/standards/manx.pdf. Needs to be fixed in the infoboxes and possible also the main prose of most of our breed articles!
• World Cat Federation (WCF): URLs that used to be in this form http://www.wcf-online.de/en/Standard/Semilonghair/cymric.htm or http://www.wcf-online.de/en/Standard/Shorthair/manx.htm are now in this form http://www.wcf-online.de/WCF-EN/standard/semi-longhair/cymric.html or http://www.wcf-online.de/WCF-EN/standard/shorthair/manx.html, respectively, and this needs to be fixed in the infobox and possibly main prose of all articles on breeds recognized by WCF (see "Standard" dropdown menu at http://www.wcf-online.de/WCF-EN/ to find them). PDF versions are are URLs like http://www.wcf-online.de/WCF-EN/library/CYM_en_2010-01-01.pdf and basically have to be found via the HTML versions, which are often less up-to-date or detailed, so citing the PDF version is preferable.
• American Association of Cat Enthusiasts (AACE): URLs that used to be in the form http://www.aaceinc.org/pages/breeds/man.htm have moved to URLs like http://www.aaceinc.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32%3Amanx-breed-standard&catid=17%3Abreed-standards&Itemid=13&lang=en; find them at http://www.aaceinc.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=17&Itemid=13&lang=en in list form. Not many articles cite these yet.
• American Cat Fanciers Association (ACFA): URLs that used to be in the form http://www.acfacat.com/manx_standard.htm have moved to URLs like http://www.acfacat.com/Breed%20Standards/MANX.pdf. Not many articles cite these yet. It is an East Coast organization principally in NY, NJ and PA, from what I can tell, but also directly affiliated with the Cat Aficionado Association (CAA) of China, who use ACFA breed standards.

— SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 09:59, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

WP:BOLLOCKS and "Behavior" sections in breed articles

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WIkiProject Animals#WP:BOLLOCKS and "Behavior" sections in breed articles

Here's a great example of what's wrong with almost all "Behavior", "Behaviour", "Temperament", "Personality" or "Disposition" sections in articles on domestic animal breeds; this is the full text of that section from British Longhair:

According to breeders, British Longhairs are quite calm and easy going. They are fun-loving and playful, particularly as kittens. These cats attach quickly to their owners, with great affection. British Longhairs are good for owners who have to work, because they will enjoy just laying around all day. They are not destructive, and do not need any other animals for company. However, some individuals do enjoy living with another British Longhair that is similar in personality.[1]

This is sourced to a single, tertiary, categorically unreliable blog that doesn't cite its sources. There is no evidence anywhere that this breed is unusually "calm and easy going"; it's an absurd overgeneralization. All cat breeds are "fun-loving and playful, particularly as kittens". All cat breeds "attach quickly to their owners, with great affection". All cat breeds "enjoy just laying around all day" (cats of all breeds spend more than 80% of their lives asleep). There is no breed that does not engage in scratching, territory marking and other behaviors that some would classify as "destructive". Like all of this blather, whether a particular animal desires the company of other animals is an individual trait, and a generalization about this across the entire breed is unsupportable. There is no evidence anywhere of a particular domestic breed of anything able to distinguish much less prefer members of the same breed; this would be quite a revelation if true – front-page news in major science journals – since it would be proof of near-human intelligence. Virtually every single section of this sort, in all domestic animal breed articles, has severe WP:RS / WP:NPOV / WP:NOR / WP:COMMONSENSE / WP:BOLLOCKS problems of this sort. Fancier magazines and websites are not reliable or independent sources for this sort of "information" either, almost invariably, because they uncritically parrot promotional materials of breeders, and their content is at least partially under the thumb of their advertisers. They also pander to the lowest-common denominator reader, which tends to be children and little old ladies who want story-book material about how special and precious their pets are. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 00:49, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

See WT:ANIMALS for more active version of this discussion. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 01:51, 6 March 2013 (UTC)