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Alcala street?

I tried looking for Alcala street on the Manila map. Does anyone know in which district it could be? Perhaps it doesn't exist now, but it existed in 1906 (from a birth certificate). --Chris S. 05:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it doesn't exist anymore or its name has been changed. --Howard the Duck 05:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Calle Alcala was just north of Plaza Santa Cruz, running from what was then Calle Enrile to Estero Cegado. Its continuation towards Quiapo was Calle Raon, and some time after 1906 that name was given to the whole street. Later it was again renamed as G(onzalo) Puyat.Jim Richardson 20:39, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I know this street (Gonzalo Puyat), it has a pedestrian overpass on its intersection at Quezon Blvd. at Quiapo. It's at the left side of Raon electronics store. --Howard the Duck 03:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys. What did you used to figure this out, Jim? Anyway, I understand that this was in Quiapo, then? I am looking for my great-grandmother's and her brothers' baptismal records and that's the street they lived on in the early 20th century, according to one of her brothers' birth certificate. --Chris S. 04:16, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Calle Alcala is shown on the Manila street map included in United States, Bureau of Insular Affairs, A pronouncing gazetteer and geographical dictionary of the Philippine Islands (Washington: United States Government Printing Office, 1902), and its renaming as Calle Raon is recorded in Manila directories of the American period such as Rosenstock’s. I just used Google to pick up its later renaming to Gonzalo Puyat. I think the whole of Calle Alcala would have been in Santa Cruz, though I’m not exactly sure where Santa Cruz ended and Quiapo began.Jim Richardson 18:39, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

idea

I am not sure whether it already exists, but it might be a nice idea to set up a project to create articles about dates and years with Philippine related topics. What I mean: Perhaps it is nice to create pages like 12 June, but then only for Philippine events, births, deaths, holidays etc, for example 12 June in the Philippines. The same for year pages like 1898. It would then be possible to link to these pages from Philippine related articles in stead of the general date or year links. Magalhães 12:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Err, is this timeline what you have in mind?--Jondel 12:48, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Why is the graph in reverse order? — Sandtiger 13:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

No that's something different. These articles would replace the normal articles about each day and year. So for example: 12 June in de Philippines in stead of 12 June. In the article would be place to list all important Philippine events, births death of Philippine actors, politicians, sports people, etc etc, Philippine holidays and other significant events. It would never be possible/appropriate to include all of this information in the general date page or in the timeline. Magalhães 13:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh I see. Is this a precedent? Do they have this for other countries? It might be appropriate for very significant days but not for let's say an obscure councilman's birthday,etc.--Jondel 13:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I think, instead of starting 366 new articles, it would be better to just add more Philippine-related information to the existing date articles. TheCoffee 13:21, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
How about 2003 in the Philippines, all the way up to 1521 in the Philippines? That'll be nice. Or maybe adding more dates in this page. --Howard the Duck 13:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I did not know that some year pages already existed. That's nice! Let's make more of them. I feel that there might also be a place for dedicated date articles for the Philippines. The disadvantage of adding all the info to the existing date articles would be that there will be way too much information and information you are not looking for. An advantage of special Philippine date pages would be that you can add information about locally famous people more easily than on the general page. I had this idea when I was reading a review of the Philippine-related articles on the Dutch Wikipedia in a magazine. One of the comments was that the links to dates and years led to arcticles with information which was mostly about other parts of the world. Magalhães 13:47, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I was planning to make a "On this week" section at Philippines portal, but if time comes each day has more than 5 events, it can be made into a "On this day" section, then I'll split that page into monthly summaries. --Howard the Duck 13:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
That might be another good option. The only disadvantage is that you can not link it in a normal article when using a date somewhere. Magalhães 14:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Not again?

Here he goes again...I'm currently exchanging emails with 'the Manolo Quezon III, and it looks like I have found something (and, I guarantee, the information I got from MLQ3 is very, very interesting). Once my correspondence is finish, I'll let you on in (and e-mail the others as well). Thanks --- Tito Pao 04:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

What can I say is... Happy Birthday J.P. Rizal! on June 19. --Exec8 04:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Heheheh...LoL, you didn't wikify that one, so I did it ;-) --- Tito Pao 04:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

MLQ3 confirmed that he did get to talk to rizalninoy, but it appears that he was misunderstood. You can read a quote of the response at Howard's talk page. As for the "interesting" bit...I've decided to keep it to myself in the meantime. Thanks --- Tito Pao 06:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

The question now is what category you put Batasang Bayan. --Howard the Duck 07:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I've had enough. I'll leave this to the admins. --- Tito Pao 08:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, what needs to be dealt with? User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 08:20, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I'll leave my comments on your talk page then. Please hang on for a moment. Thanks! --- Tito Pao 08:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
People here have a very liberal (to put it mildly) understanding of what the WP:NPA policy is for. --Howard the Duck 08:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Anon with bad grammar is deleting a lot of info from the Visayans article

I wish he or she would just talk about the deletions (clean-up according to him/her) first...

See the history page:

  • (cur) (last) 09:16, 12 June 2007 58.106.133.177 (Talk) (12,145 bytes) (I clean this up for valid reasons, pls. do not mess it up again! O.k. have some common sense for godness sakes. Why does'nt people ever used common knowledge and facts. It's very simple.)
  • (cur) (last) 09:10, 12 June 2007 58.106.133.177 (Talk) (12,143 bytes) (added expand category. This article does not need to many bullshit statements such as redirect article:See Visayan language blaa blaa. related ethnic groups blaa blaa. Keep it simple.)
  • (cur) (last) 09:02, 12 June 2007 58.106.133.177 (Talk) (12,114 bytes) (What happen to this article? It was cleaned up for valid reasons. Now it's all messed up again. Do not be an idiot Chris Sundita. Your revert actions seems biased. What's wrong with you?)
  • (cur) (last) 04:39, 12 June 2007 Nino Gonzales (Talk | contribs) (14,385 bytes) (the anon made some deletions which lessened the quality of the article, i think.)
  • (cur) (last) 00:43, 12 June 2007 Christopher Sundita (Talk | contribs) m (12,128 bytes) (Undid revision 137423652 by 58.106.130.158 (talk))

I don't usually pick on people's grammar, but this guy is really acting like a jerk. Guys, please help in keeping the article jerk free. --Nino Gonzales 05:07, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The dab note at the top is incredibly long. Either Bisaya becomes a dab page, or someone creates Bisaya (disambiguation). --Howard the Duck 05:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province

Those who have a copy of the detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province, you can post the detailed presidential and vice-presidential election results to their respective Wikipedia articles or you can also give a copy of the detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province to my e-mall address: josephs_dagreat@yahoo.com and then I will the one to post to their respective Wikipedia articles. Thank you.--Joseph Solis in Australia 10:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

It's hard to review the Senate and House Journal of the pre-martial law Congress, since some of it are transcribed in Spanish. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 13:39, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
But if one of us here does know Spanish and given enough time, maybe they can help. I'm thinking of Jondel ;-) but there may be others as well. --- Tito Pao 21:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
The problem is I don't know which documents to photocopy. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 02:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
The Document need to photocopy is the detailed Philippine presidential and vice-presidential election results from 1946 to 2004 province by province.
It's hard to know which one it is, because most are in Spanish. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 14:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
I can understand in Spanish. --Joseph Solis in Australia 09:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
What I'm saying is, with the tons of Journals the Congress have I can't identify which ones pertain to the Canvass since most post-war documents are in Spanish, so that I can photocopy them for our perusal.--Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 13:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I have new idea, Since can I understand the Spanish language, I want that all Journals the Congress have that contains the canvass that you have will photocopy and then will give to me via my e-mall address: josephs_dagreat@yahoo.com and you can give the photocopy via airmail to my address in the Philippines: 615 Del Pilar Street, 6021 Argao Cebu Philippines and after that, I will be the one to post in their Wikipedia articles.--Joseph Solis in Australia 08:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
You can't be serious are you? That's like a row of a shelf, and the photocopier is not in the library area, you can only take 3 books out for photocopying at a time. And the photocopier is in the north wing area of congress (library in the south wing area, you can't pass through the Batasan Bldg proper. It's 2 pesos per page. The situation is the same in the Senate, where the public photocopier is not in the Senate bldg, you have to go around to the GSIS office. Ü --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 13:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
If I have the time, I can stay there for a day and encode them, and just upload them. However schedule doesn't permit. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 13:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
It is okay for me that you will be the one will encode the data containing the presidential and vice-presidential election results if the schedule permits you. Thank you.--Joseph Solis in Australia 06:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi! The 1946 Vice Presidential Canvass (by province) is now available in the Philippine general election, 1946 article. The Presidential Canvass, however, is not yet finish. Angeles624 15:26, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

New cities

It seems that there are new cities, but I couldn't verify them. Either the plebiscite is not yet held or the plebiscite was finished. --Howard the Duck 16:17, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Based on what I see, all the new cities have conducted their plebiscites (Bogo, San Juan (Metro Manila), Catbalogan, Meycauayan). Carcar, Cebu will have its plebiscite on June 23. --Sky Harbor 22:24, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
The NSCB website updates quarterly, it's almost the end of June, then we'll know what are the changes in our LGU. The latest I think is the merging of two barangays in Tagaytay City. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 02:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Dr. Jose Fabella Memorial Hospital

Hi I just obtained my birth certificate and found out all about the interesting 'factory' that I was produced from. Hehe, I believe the paanakan deserves a nice article here--Lenticel (talk) 03:26, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I saw this on the news last new year and the place is really affordable. --Howard the Duck 03:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
This can be a potential DYK if only it can be made longer. --Howard the Duck 03:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree. Something like "DYK...that about one out of five babies born in Metro Manila were delivered at Dr. Jose Fabella Hospital?". Need to rewrite that, though, to accommodate the "baby factory" tag, it's a plus IMO. --- Tito Pao 06:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Kulintang Article DOA for a FA. Help.

About getting something featured related to the Philippines...

I tried getting the kulintang article through last march. Basically, the only thing that stopped the article from going thru was a good copy edit. Suggestions were for me to place it at the Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors/proofreading#Requests_for_FAC_and_FAR.

I did that three months ago and recently (6/19) they removed it because it failed FAC... waiting to be copyedited by the LOC for request for FAC ironically.

I believe this is the best chance for another Philippine-related FA article to make it but I see no reason for me to nominate it again if I can't get anyone at the LOC to look at it.

If anyone has some thoughts... go ahead... my patience with the LOC is wearing thin. I really have no time to wait months and months for nothing. PhilipDM 16:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

You don't necessarily have to go to the LOC for copy-editing, and I'm a bit impatient myself with the Aviation WikiProject for not taking action on rating Iloilo International Airport as another example of WikiProject inaction. Copy-editing does not necessarily have to emanate from the LOC; try asking other editors. --Sky Harbor 04:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[[Category:Filipino_inventors]]

Hi guys, let's fill up this category. Para may kasama naman si Mang Ernie. Lenticel (talk) 03:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Sigh... Plano ko pa naman damihan ito. Anyways, some inventors have controversies around them (some did not invent at all!) so carefully choose your refs--Lenticel (talk) 04:03, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Territorial map of the Philippines

I was wondering where this could be placed: Image:Ph Territorial Map.png, based on [1] and [2]. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 05:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Probably on Geography of the Philippines? -- Jojit fb 00:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Getting WMPH moving further forward

Project sub-pages in Wikipedia:Meetup for meet-ups in Manila are now available. Please visit the main page - Wikipedia:Meetup/Manila. A template was also made to consolidate all meet-ups in the Philippines (see Wikipedia:PhilWiki Meetup Box). In the future, there could be a page for Wikipedia:Meetup/Cebu. - Jojit fb 03:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I have move the discussions regarding our second meeting at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 2. - Jojit fb 06:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I encourage everybody to participate in this meeting. Please post your replies to Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 2 --Exec8 06:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Due to lack of interest by some of our wikipedians, I might drop plans to attend this meetup and devote time to some things else. --Exec8 09:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I left comments at the meetup talk page which may convinced you to think otherwise. --Sky Harbor 14:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Randy David

Guys could you help me with this article. Last time it was here it was speedy deleted due to notability but I'm pretty sure he is.--Lenticel (talk) 09:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions for cities

After seeing Talk:City of San Fernando, Pampanga, isn't it a better idea to drop "City" altogether except for HUCs, ICCs, and cities named after their mother provinces and instead use the convention we use for municipalities, like instead of City of San Fernando, Pampanga and Malabon City, we use San Fernando, Pampanga and Malabon City, Metro Manila. The only cities which will be exempt are Manila and Quezon City. --Howard the Duck 05:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Well we shouldn't be altering the way we do things just to conform to the way America does things. In the US any place that has a mayor is called a city, even if it just has 5 people. In the Philippines a place is called a city if it reaches certain requirements, and these places actually do appended the word "City" to their names. TheCoffee 05:42, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Well for one thing, instead of the mouthful "City of San Fernando of Pampanga," many use the simpler "San Fernando, Pampanga." And leaving out the province's name may give the impression that the city is not a part of the province. --Howard the Duck 05:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I rather have HUCs without the name of the provinces theyre in. For ICCs and Component cities, maybe have the provinces. As for San Fernando, Pampanga, addresses in the city reflect City of San Fernando, Pampanga (it's their naming convention to distinguish it from the one in La Union. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 08:15, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but it still confusing. If you strip them of their provinces' names, you'd leave "City of San Fernando" and "San Fernando City", still confusing. You're right about HUCs and ICCs (that was part of my original proposal). For example, the name San Jose del Monte City implies that that place is not a part of Bulacan when it is. Ergo, rename it back to San Jose del Monte, Bulacan. --Howard the Duck 11:40, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Philippine Literature

I have been searching for Philippine literature-related topics (tula, parabula, pabula, atbp.) but I only managed to get into forums wherein "resourceful" students were asking for the definitions and samples about the said topic. Can't we start a wikiproject for this? Also, important persons in Panitikang Pilipino should also be included. I also think it is better if we do Tagalog input for these then just have them translated to English.

If this project pushes through, alas, all the Filipino assignments will say the same! hehe. Bembenenot 22:37, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

If you think this deserves a WikiProject, make sure you have enough people to make one first, then establish the project. You can also try translating the articles on the Tagalog Wikipedia to English from Tagalog. --Sky Harbor 03:13, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

I've been suggesting for a while that there be a Wikiproject:Philippine Mythology but since this would be covered by that, I'd be very happy to support this. :-) As a Mythopoeic writer I'd be most interested in contributing to Myths and Legends in Philippine Literature. My user page already has a list of references I've gathered. I just need time so I can make writeups. (which will require reading time because I only recently purchased - or "piratephotocopied" most of those references. Whoops. incriminating evidence. hehe. scholarly use naman po, strictly noncommercial) Alternativity 05:52, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Kut-kut

Is there anyone here from Samar and/or who has access to published information about art techniques of that province? There's an AFD going on - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kut-kut - because, apart from one US-based artist, we can't find verification for the history (existence, even) of a traditional artform called kut-kut. Gordonofcartoon 02:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

As I've mentioned in my follow-up comments in the AfD, Ate P doesn't think this is verifiable (she's from the Visayas). Any comments from our friends from the South? --- Tito Pao 07:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the input... I closed the discussion as delete. If somebody does come up with verifiable information, we can re-create the article. Sancho 21:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Butse Kik

The song got prodded but I believe it just need some refs. I manage to get some refs for it but the news articles are about Yoyoy's death and the song is just briefly mentioned so I discarded them. Okay, I'm familiar with the song but I'm not around yet when the song gave its full impact--Lenticel (talk) 04:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I just did. Ang hirap maghanap ng news article, puro blogs at lyrics database ang mga GHits sa Butse kik >=( --- Tito Pao 07:42, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Proposal to Divide the Province of Quezon

There is a proposal to divide the province of Quezon into two: Quezon del Norte and Quezon del Sur. According to Quezon Representative Lorenzo “Erin” Tañada III, the proposed legislation had already been passed by the Senate and was only awaiting the signature of President Macapagal-Arroyo for it to become a law.[3]

Under the propoasal, Quezon del Norte will be composed of Lucena City (as capital) and the following municipalities: Burdeos, Gen. Nakar, Infanta, Jomalig, Lukban, Mauban, Pagbilao, Patnanungan, Polillo, Real, Sampaloc, Tayabas, Candelaria, Dolores, San Antonio, Sariaya, Tiaong.

On the other hand, Quezon del Sur will be composed of the following towns Agdangan, Buenavista, Catanauan, General Luna, Macalelon, Mulanay, Padre Burgos, Pitogo, San Andres, San Francisco, San Narciso, Unisan, Alabat, Atimonan, Calauag, Guinyangan, Gumaca, Lopez, Perez, Plaridel, Quezon, and Tagkawayan.Angeles624 22:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

A plebiscite must still be conducted to ratify it. President's signature isn't enough to put it into effect. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 01:41, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Upcoming plebiscite in Luuk, Sulu to create a municipality of (i forgot) i came across it yesterday reading the PDI. Also plebiscite in Lapu-Lapu City for its conversion into an HUC. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 01:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Aaargh. There should be a moratorium on creating new LGUs. They mostly only serve the interests of the politicos wanting to cement their fiefdoms. --seav 04:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm betting this will be approved. There should be a minimum turnout for these plebiscites. --Howard the Duck 04:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't come as a surprise. My hometown was converted into a city with less than 10 percent of the total number of registered voters (8,000+ voting "yes" as compared to the nearly 100,000 registered voters). --- Tito Pao 07:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Lol, amen to that. I didn't even know it was already a city until I saw it here. Shrumster 12:00, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Please translate this into English

Hi, I am having a hard time translating this question (in Tagalog) into English: Pang-ilan si Gloria Macapagal Arroyo sa mga Pangulo ng Pilipinas?

(Who is the 14th President of the Philippines? is not the correct translation).Please help me. Thanks! Angeles624 12:21, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the closest I could get, so far:
Chronologically, what is the rank of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo among the presidents of the Philippines? (You may have to add a follow-up/"suggestive" question such as Is she the 12th or the 13th? Well, something to that effect... Dragonbite 19:52, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
OR: Chronologically, where does Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo rank among the presidents of the Philippines? Dragonbite 19:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
What is the order of Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo's succession as the Philippines' president? --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 04:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
On what order is GMA chronologically? --Howard the Duck 05:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Howard that didn't make sense... lol... peace! --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 18:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
What the? I thought that was the nearest English translation possible? See Chronology. --Howard the Duck 02:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The word you're looking for is How manyeth but it doesn't exist in English (well Google has 600+ hits for this phrase. lol). German has "Wievielte" so they'd say "Arroyo is der wievielte Präsident?" I would go for "Which president is GMA? The 10th or...?" --Chris S. 16:05, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I originally heard this as a joke, or at least a play on the limitations of translation, and was not supposed to be answered... but since you are already killing it... I'd go with Howard the Duck's answer but making it more accurate... "On what order is GMA chronologically among Philippine presidents?" or (my geeky follow-up joke to this...) "If GMA is the xth president of the Philippines, what is x?" --Nino Gonzales 15:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Role of women in the Philippines article

Hello there. There is a suggestion that the article Role of women in the Philippines be renamed as Women in the Philippines. Please kindly participate in the discussion. This article was created from the WP:TAMBAY's requested articles list. Thanks. Dragonbite 21:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Latest DYKs on Main Page

Hi. Please kindly place these within WP:TAMBAY's DYK appearance notice column:

  1. Lorenzo M. Tañada, DYK appearance: 14 July 2007
  2. Women in the Philippines, DYK appearance: 16 July 2007

These articles were created from WP:TAMBAY's requested articles. Thanks. Dragonbite 03:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Added the articles. However, I don't know how to input the dates next to them--Lenticel (talk) 06:36, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Lenticel, for adding them to the WP:PINOY display box. Dragonbite 17:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

SM City North EDSA

Little help here. The article looks like an advert. I already cut up some of the problematic sections. --Lenticel (talk) 06:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Damn. Article was kinda acceptable last I looked at it which was...sometime early this year. Seems like a lot of the 122.xx ips have been bulking it with cruft. A lot of the article is now unencyclopedic, for example the lists of shops, movies, etc. I have no idea how to go about cleaning it up aside from a complete tear-down. Shrumster 18:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Seems like the 122.xx ips have been vandalizing the TriNoMa article. Sigh. Either employed by the SM people or just plain biased. This is just sick. Pinoys seem to just love taking sides and then bashing the other sides, as can be seen by what happens in the GMA-ABSCBN articles we have here. Just freaking sad. I'll see what I can do to clean up. Shrumster 18:59, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Cleaned up most of the article...kinda. :P Still a bit tinatamad to fix the attractions section. Shrumster 20:42, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Paddy field

In the interest of more balance in the article text, I invite fellow editors to contribute details on paddy fields of the Philippines: technology, characteristics, history, culture, etc. Mumun 無文 14:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not very clear on what the request is. I can think of very few things about rice paddies that are absolutely unique to the Philippines, as rice paddies all over southeast asia (both peninsular and continental) share a lot of similarities. I've contributed what I could in terms of ancient Philippines (not much)and I will be scouring my mythical references soon. But I think most of the technology discussion should go on the main article rather than the Philippines section. If so, that's really not my cup of tea. Any Rice technology experts out there who wanna do that? Or if someone has time, could you help figure out what goes in the main body and what goes into the country sections? I'll do that when I have time, but for now, it just confuses me.Alternativity 13:59, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, if there are editors who can contribute more on the actual technology involved in wet-rice agriculture at Paddy field, that would be great.Mumun 無文 21:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Project name translations

Just a question of opinion: should we follow the stance of many non-English Wikimedia projects (notably Spanish and non-Latin script languages) to name projects based on local conventions? I have a contributor on the Tagalog Wiktionary make a Tagalog-language logo to the point of translating 'Wiktionary' to Wiksyonaryo (from Spanish Wikcionario). Should we do the same? --Sky Harbor 13:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the harm in doing so. --Chris S. 15:45, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
In that case, I propose the following translations for names (in Tagalog; feel free to add other Philippine languages) (UPDATED):
  • Wikipedia: Wikipedya (current Cebuano usage)
  • Wiktionary: Wiksyonaryo
  • Wikinews: Wikibalita
  • Wikiquote: Wikisipi or Wikibanggit
  • Wikispecies: Wikisari
  • Wikiversity: Wikibersidad
  • Commons: Karaniwang Wikimedia
I can't come up with anything for Wikispecies and I have a conflict between Wikibooks and Wikisource. Meta needs no translation. Feel free to contribute and help! --Sky Harbor 16:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

How about Wikibalita for Wikinews? I was thinking Wikiuri for Wikispecies, but I dunno. --Chris S. 07:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikiuri sounds fine, but Wikisari sounds better IMHO (although this can possibly make a problem: sari means both genus and species, while uri means species). In addition to Wikibalita, why not consider Wikiulat as well. For both Wikisource and Wikibooks, I'm torn between Wikiklatan (originally for Wikibooks, but Wikisource is a library), Wikiteksto (Wikisource, but would be an off translation) and Wikimulan (Wikisource). --Sky Harbor 09:38, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought about kasarian, but I thought it had to do with more gender. But I like Wikisari. Sounds good. Wikiulat doesn't quite roll off the tongue as Wikibalita does. Hmmm.. as for Wikisource. You're right, that's a toughie. My first instinct tells me to go with Wikimulan since that's the closest. The others are creative, and given the choice of the other two I'd go with Wikiklatan since that gives a user an idea on what it's all about. --Chris S. 18:52, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

What about Wikibooks? --Sky Harbor 11:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikilibro? --Chris S. 16:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
It has to be plural. Spanish usage dictates Wikilibros, but since the -s plural is not used in Tagalog, we need something a bit more...inventive? I'm not sure. --Sky Harbor 12:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, libro can be plural too. As in "nagtitinda siya ng libro" (he sells books). The plural in Tagalog is not always specifically stated, so Wikilibro or Wikiklat could both work. We go by Tagalog grammar conventions, not Spanish, since it technically ceased to be part of Spanish's grammatical and phonological (we say libró instead of líbro) rules. --Chris S. 22:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, so this means we have a new updated list (Wikisari for Wikispecies and Wikibalita for Wikinews). How about Wikiquote? --Sky Harbor 12:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikisabi? Dragonbite 03:31, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikisabi (lit. Wikisaying), Wikisipi or Wikibanggit? Let's see which one gets the best response. --Sky Harbor 13:54, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Wikisipi seems to be the most formal--Lenticel (talk) 22:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
So Wikisipi then? What about Wikisource and Wikibooks? --Sky Harbor 09:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

(resetting indent) Wikiklat (Wiki-aklat seems to be a better translation in my opinion). Wikimulan is the best choice so far so I'll go with that. Wiki-galing is playing around my mind for a while but some people might misunderstand it --Lenticel (talk) 09:44, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Keeping that in mind, the following constitutes the possible final list (excluding Wikibooks):
  • Wikipedia: Wikipedya (current Cebuano usage)
  • Wiktionary: Wiksyonaryo
  • Wikinews: Wikibalita
  • Wikiquote: Wikisipi
  • Wikisource: Wikimulan
  • Wikispecies: Wikisari
  • Wikiversity: Wikibersidad
  • Commons: Karaniwang Wikimedia
I was thinking Wikiteksbuk (so much for Filipinization, but what can we do) for Wikibooks, but I don't know if it sounds good. --Sky Harbor 12:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I think we should stick with either Wiki-aklat or Wikilibro. Wikiteksbuk seems to be too slang-y (if there is such a word)--Lenticel (talk) 13:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
I was thinking Wikiteksto (the Fr. English dictionary also calls textbooks "teksto") or how about Wikiklat-aralin? --Sky Harbor 13:53, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikiteksto sounds like Wikitext, the free SMS encyclopedia :). I think Wiki-aralin translates into Wikistudy.--Lenticel (talk) 01:39, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikibooks = Wikibasahin or Wikibasa? or Wikibabasahin or Wikiaklat (with the a) - Dragonbite 02:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Hmmm...I have reduced it down to two candidates: Wikiaklat/Wikiklat or Wikilibro. State your opinions! --Sky Harbor 11:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Manila 2 : The Second Wiki Philippines Meetup

I encourage everybody to join discussions on Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Manila 2. Hint: My birthday is getting close...--Exec8 12:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Motivation for moving forward: Wikipilipinas (a.k.a. Wikipiniana) will debut at the 28th Manila International Book Fair on August 29-September 2, 2007. Also, Wikimedia Philippines cannot move forward without this meetup. --Sky Harbor 16:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
I really wish I could. But I'm miles and miles away right now. Dragonbite 23:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Why not set the meeting during and in the bookfare and get to meet the people behind Wikipilipinas (yehey, they changed tha name) as well. --Nino Gonzales 16:02, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
The book fair will be held at the World Trade Center Metro Manila Buendia cor. Macapagal Blvd., Pasay City near PICC. Do you want to meet during the fair? --Exec8 21:19, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
As long as it is a Sunday. PS Bring a bigger Wikipedia logo this time ;)--Lenticel (talk) 03:09, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
September 2 is a sunday. --Exec8 04:13, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Sept. 2 is a good date. My shift might change by next week, but since I have more than enough time to prepare, I can find a way to get there. --- Tito Pao 04:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
September 2 is good, but when will Wikipilipinas debut? --Sky Harbor 09:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I'll be busy doing events with Read or Die Philippines, New Worlds Alliance and The Philippine Order of Narnians at the book fair that day, but i certainly look forward to meeting everyone.Alternativity 18:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I will be very very busy this August. September 2 is a good day. Is World Trade a good place to meet? --Exec8 14:47, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

We were offered by the Wikipilipinas people (and may I note by the Gus Vibal, founder of Filipiniana.net and Wikipilipinas) one of the World Trade Center conference rooms. I think this might be a good thing for us, as we might be able to get Filipiniana.net's backing for WMPH. Likewise, we can recognize each other as "equals". --Sky Harbor 06:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
I move that we meet up during the IBF. --seav 02:05, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I suppose we can. Who can go? --Sky Harbor 12:12, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Motivation

hi, I think we could emulate the Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment/Assessment Drive to liven up the Tambayan. I think there's a lack of enthusiasm here lately. --Lenticel (talk) 05:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You people can use {{Wikipedia:Tambayan Philippines/notice}}. --Howard the Duck 06:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't mean an assessment drive, I mean that we should have some sort of goal (x number of GA this month or -x less Phil. related stubs). Hardworking wikipedians would then be rewarded with the barnstar that is equivalent to his work--Lenticel (talk) 09:25, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Can we create a Tambayan subpage that current contributing status of all active Filipino Tambays? We should create User subpages then transclude them into the Tambayan subpage so that we know who's busy and what Philippine-related stuff they're working on now. A quick and dirty mock-up is shown below. Right now, we don't know what everyone is up to. And so we don't know with whom we can likely collaborate with on very focused subject areas. --seav 09:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
seav
  • Current Status: Busy in real life. Devoting 3-5 hr/wk on Wikipedia.
  • Current tasks: Creating stub articles for the National Artists without any articles yet.
If you insert the template above with all of the necessary options (importance and ratings), it will automatically assign it to a category. Then what comes up in the categories can be added to a new project page so we can follow the contents. --Howard the Duck 11:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking about a sub- projectpage with this set-up:

Wanted article drive:

Participants:

  • x- 4 new articles created
  • y- 5 new articles created
  • z- 22 new articles created

Rewards:

  • 5 new start class articles (Phil barnstar)
  • 10 new start class articles (Working Man barnstar)

--Lenticel (talk) 10:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


Hm. I'm not Manila based so theres no way for me to attend meetings. But as a contributor does that mean when I create 5 new stub-level articles, I get a barnstar? :-D Sorry, still kinda new even if I've been at this for a while.Alternativity 16:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Help with Images of Philippine Legends and Myths

I'm not certain how to get images for the various articles I've worked on... how to find out if there are available pictures for a particular piece. Perhaps I could ask for guidance?

But perhaps more appropriately, it appears there's quite a need for images of Filipino Mythical creatures, and of depictions of Philippine Myths and Legends. Perhaps I could solicit some help in finding or making some? Philippine mythical creatures in particular needs it, and the truth is, most of the individual pages depicting creatures feel sorely lacking because they don't have images.

If you're talking stuff like aswang, manananggal, kapre and tikbalang types, I doubt there are a lot of pics for these out there. Your best bet would be still from local horror movies (which would be non-free images) or draw some. :P Shrumster 18:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
hehe I realized the rarity of free images, and I'm not good at drawing, so actually that's PRECISELY what kind of help I was asking for. hehehe. :-D Anybody here who used to draw monsters in high school? wanna open your memory treasure chest? :-D Alternativity 18:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I specialize in reptiles and fish. :P Not quite sure if any local monsters fit that bill (no, shokoys are still more humanoid :P). Just realized though, you *can* use vidcaps of movies/series to show how the mythical creatures have made their way into popular culture. Shake, Rattle and Roll, Tiyanak, etc. I'd say that's entirely within the grounds of Fair Use. Shrumster 17:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Suggestion: Descriptions have to be expanded. Images are coming in. But help from others will be highly appreciated. Try flickr and fotothing.com or any other website to get permission. Well, of course your illustrations are welcome! Regards. - Dragonbite 05:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll be making the manananggal but give me at least three days. It's been a while since I held a pencil for drawing.--Lenticel (talk) 02:39, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Uh-oh, I just created and uploaded one. But go ahead. There are three articles about it. Let's assign it to one. Or perhaps draw a version that is in real flight running after a victim. We can use both to really "describe" how vicious a creature it is. Regards. - Dragonbite 05:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Awww... I'm preparing it for inking already. Okay I'll re-draw it as if it is on the hunt but it will take some time as the image will be more complex.--Lenticel (talk) 09:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know how a manaul looks like? - Dragonbite 05:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
And an ekek by the way? - Dragonbite 05:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe you can get an idea from the Creatures of Philippine Lower Mythology by Maximo D. Ramos, I read this book alot back in my high school years, wonder if this is still available though--Lenticel (talk) 09:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I made a manananggal image just now to let off some steam and stretch my hands a bit. Not exactly pretty but might be useful, the filename is in my userpage.--Lenticel (talk) 14:01, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Looking good! Love the coloring. Shrumster 16:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
A very useful concept (the manananggal in action!). - Dragonbite 18:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I've kept looking at my references for the creation myth bird (Manaul) but there are just too many variants of that myth for me to be able to suggest a particular look. Candidates for species have included the Uwak, the Lawin, the Haribon, and (my favorite, since its also linked to many legends) the Tigmamanukan, a Blue omen bird in Tagalog lore. At some point I found something that identified the Tigmamanukan as the Philippine Fairy Bluebird. I'll keep looking. Im convinced, though, that the entire Philippine Mythology page needs a revamp, and the structure of the individual legends and belief wikis need to be looked at. Er... is Tambayan the right place for discussing this in detail? Hehe. I keep wondering if we should have a wikiproject for this? But I'm not sure how much interest there is.

Interested in a Wikiproject Philippine Mythology?

Images for Philippine mythical creatures update as of August 14, 2007

Just to summarize -
The following have images:
Let's list them here for sorting purposes. Thanks. - Dragonbite 00:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorta mailing list mechanism for Filipino EN-Wikipedians and Filipino Wikimedians

Just wondering, how often do you guys check the Tambayan? Quite likely that you check it much less than you check your email, right? Also, do you use feed readers/aggregators? I'm thinking of a way to provide an RSS/Atom feed of the history of the Tambayan and subpages. Then via FeedBurner, we can convert the feed into a email subscription list, if you don't use feed readers. Then to reduce the volume, the feed will only provide a daily summary item instead of items for each individual change. We can then do the same for the WikiMedia Philippine pages over at Meta. What do you think? This is so that every active participant can stay on top of happenings. --seav 02:25, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Survey

  1. How often do you check the Tambayan?
  2. How often do you check your primary emai?
  3. Do you use a newsreader/aggregator/feed reader? If yes, how often do you check it?
  • For all three questions, I get to be online everyday, even on weekends and holidays. So the most likely answer that I'd give for all three questions would be everyday :) On weekends and days off, I get to check it at least twice a day. On workdays, I leave my GMail inbox open (which means it's available for the most part of the day), while I check my other emails and important websites (such as WP) regularly throughout the day (every other break at the minimum (including the free time before and after work), plus at least once when I'm home (both before and after work). The only days I won't be online is, for example, when I'm in an out of town trip, where I'd deliberately shut myself out from the Internet. --- Tito Pao 07:16, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

1) At least every other day. I try. 2) Everyday. 3) No. --Chris S. 04:40, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Next steps

I'll try to set-up the email notification list and try it with you guys since everyone seems checks their emails daily. We'll first try it out on the Tambayan and so that we can jumpstart the various subpages for this "WikiProject." I'll inform you guys if set-up already. --seav 04:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Assesment protocols

I think we should make it a priority to fix the Tambayan's assessment for importance and rating system. Shrumster 18:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Do we have an assessment guideline at all? I'm not familiar if there is one. All I know is the template. --seav 04:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Created the assessment page at Wikipedia:WikiProject Philippines/Assessment. I have no idea what I just did, but I hope the more template-savvy peeps among you can help bring it up to other Wikiproject's standards? Shrumster 10:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Tamaraw

Could someone make a distribution map for the article? It is only found in Mindoro. Thanks--Lenticel (talk) 03:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

You can use TheCoffee's blank RP map and shade Mindoro. --Howard the Duck 03:54, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
Done. Thanks Howard--Lenticel (talk) 05:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Locator map for Clark

I'd like to make a simple locator map for Clark Air Base, but I don't know the boundaries of it within Angeles City. Does anyone know how I could go about finding out? Thanks, --Chris S. 07:26, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...how about loading it up on Google Earth, create a screenshot/save an image of the area. Then, import the image as one photoshop layer, trace the outline of the air base on another layer, then superimpose the layer (after discarding the non-free GE image) on a free image and merge/flatten? Shrumster 08:55, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
That's an idea, but that sounds like too much work. lol. Where did the municipal and city boundaries for the locator maps come from? Wasn't there a website? Maybe I could look there first. I'll use your idea as a last resort. Thanks. --Chris S. 09:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Clickable Philippine map

I had the time to create this, I don't know where you can place it {{Philippines administrative imagemap}}. --Scorpion prinz (Talk | contribs) 06:45, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Bravo! Looks awesome - much better than I could have ever done (I attempted it myself a while back). Thanks! :-) --Chris S. 08:20, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
That should've took you the whole day hehehe --Howard the Duck 08:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Philippines

Anyone have suggestions to replace the content there? Like new articles, photos and such. --Howard the Duck 13:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Why not make History of the Philippines the featured article? --Sky Harbor 13:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I tried looking at the summary under "article milestones", after not finding it there, I found it immediately above that area. lol. Now we need DYKs. Those mythology articles can be enough for a mythologically-themed DYK. --Howard the Duck 13:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Philippine mythology: Infobox and Navigational boxes

  • I have created and proposed an infobox for Philippine mythology beings which is now at

Wikipedia:List of infoboxes/Proposed Item no. 1.41. The template is at Template:Infobox Philippine mythology. I believe that's how it should be done, so it could be implemented? - Dragonbite 17:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC) (signature for template replacement above - Dragonbite 03:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC))

  • And in addition, two navigational boxes have also been created (currently in use) for Philippine mythology articles (one for side and one for bottom). Side nav box is for main article/s or where applicable. Bottom one is applicable to all Philippine mythology articles. Templates are under WP:PINOY's "Useful Templates". - Dragonbite 17:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
    • I'd say to remove that section as there are countless more "useful" templates and WP:PINOY shall be overburdened with links. --Howard the Duck 02:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Are you referring to the section at WP:Tambay regarding "Useful Templates" for Philippine mythology-related articles? Please clarify because there are two items above. But I say keep them in the WP:Tambay page. They may just have to be placed somewhere else on the same page, if their current placement is not appropriate (i.e. where the 2 templates are located right now). The articles about Philippine mythology are gradually increasing... And need attention too because they are Philippine-related articles. And those 2 templates are my contributions as a Wikipedian and member of WP:Pinoy. My opinion. - Dragonbite 03:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
        • You may not know how many templates are used cities and municipalities articles we have. Are you suggesting to place all of them there? --Howard the Duck 03:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
          • Of course not. I just added two (right?). What I am trying to say is WP:Pinoy users need to know/to have easy access to templates such as those 2 I added (Philippine-mythology specific). I observed that other Wikiprojects have them displayed on the WPs mainpage or at least a subpage (with a link from the Wikiproject's mainpage; and categorized too). Can it be done, if you are worried about overloading the main page with links? Or does a subpage already exist? Kindly let me know. Thanks. - Dragonbite 04:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
            • The best way to publicize these things are via your userpage (I list templates I created and other stuff on my user subpage), or through categories. Especially for a project (WP:PINOY is not even a Wikiproject, it's only a RWNB) as broad as this one. Don't forget the tons of infoboxes (like {{Infobox Philippine province}} and {{Philippine collegiate team}}), navigational templates ({{UAAP}}, {{Abra}} to {{Municipalities of Zamboanga Sibugay}}, etc.) and other templates such as {{RPFinalFourbracket}}. To exclusively put only the mythological templates without including all of those would be contrary to NPOV. Either list them all here or list nothing at all. --Howard the Duck 04:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
              • It seems you just want to get rid of them? (by citing lots of examples?) - Dragonbite 04:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
                • I could add all of the templates I can get if you still want those there. --Howard the Duck 04:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
                  • Kindly leave them there for now (a few days?). Maybe there should just be a sort of "announcement section" for new templates or the like at least (for those who want to "announce" them such as what I did?) Or do you have a better suggestion/idea for such brief announcements on WP:PINOY? And please don't get me wrong. I am absorbing what you're saying in a positive way (really). By the way, did you like the "amulet"? - Dragonbite 04:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
                    • I dunno if we really need to have announcements for relatively minor things such as templates (there is an announcements section at the top though, but as you can see, it's for really big-time events). After all, Philippines-related articles have lots of templates, and these templates are mostly used by the people who created them, so for example, the templates I've created are likely to be used mostly by me, while other people who have different interests may not care about other templates, except for instances where their interests intersect with other people. In short, since you were the one who's into Philippine mythology, the Philippine mythology templates would be used mostly by yourself. After all, templates are relatively easy to use, especially the navigational boxes, so if someone wants to create a new Philippine mythology article, all s/he has to do is to look at some Philippine mythology article and base his/her new article, including the templates used, on the old article. --Howard the Duck 04:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
                      • I agree. So far this is the longest discussion I ever had on Wikipedia (for the record). I will remove them in a few days. I'm just "loaning" them there in the meantime. I could probably leave the "amulet" for those who wish to award them to someone (even if not for mythology related articles/for "protection" {hehe}). So, don't be surprised if they disappear or if I "briefly" post something again (I will remove them afterwards after some time anyway). Since, there isn't really an "official" place for those sort of announcements yet. Cheers! Nice talking to you: one-on-one!!! But feel free to remind me by dropping by on my talk page (if I forget). Let me do the honor of taking them away... But I have a reminder section (sort of) on my page for things like these. Best regards, my friend. - Dragonbite 05:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

National Language

August 19 is the Philippine National Day of the Language. Let us improve articles in native languages. Cebuano (37th) have 33,339 articles with 0 depth, 2 admins, 332 Users 106,238 edits and 289 images. Tagalog (85th) have 6,243 articles, 30 depth, 4 admins, 4,305 users, 115,010 edits and 897 images. --Exec8 06:24, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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