Wikipedia talk:Super Mario effect
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I just made some major changes to this page. This is the place to discuss those changes.
One large change I made is a reflection of how the Super Mario Effect concept is actually used. At first is was just used to refer to an admin being desysopped with no block, implying that if a regular user would be blocked the newly desysopped user should also be blocked.
However, many Wikipedia users now use the "Super Mario" phrase to refer to admins who get no block in situations where a regular user would be blocked, or to refer to admins ending up permanently desysopped in cases where an ordinary user would have received a limited time block (even indef blocks can be appealed and reversed, and doing so is a lot easier than it is for a desysopped admin to become an admin again).
I have attempted to make this page better reflect how the term is actually used. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- No worries. I just wanted to have something explaining what the thing was, since it seems to have caught on, and there wasn't really anything on-wiki to explain to the uninitiated what people are talking about. GMGtalk 20:29, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- User:GreenMeansGo thanks for starting, I was about to ask the user who first posted the term, at ANI, if there was already a page somewhere, since I couldn't find any, and the way some editors were using this term, it was as if everyone is already aware of it. I added a pic of Mario as well. cheers--DBigXrayᗙ 15:22, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Intended to start it a while ago honestly, after several iterations of folks WTFing on IRC and needing it explained to them. GMGtalk 15:28, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- User:GreenMeansGo thanks for starting, I was about to ask the user who first posted the term, at ANI, if there was already a page somewhere, since I couldn't find any, and the way some editors were using this term, it was as if everyone is already aware of it. I added a pic of Mario as well. cheers--DBigXrayᗙ 15:22, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Fact checking
[edit]Could someone who actually plays the various Mario games please confirm such claims as Super Mario being "throughout the games" and that taking damage resulting in the character returning to regular size rather than dying is "one of the added effects of being big" as opposed to the only effect?
"But honey, I had to stay up until 3 AM playing Mario Cart XXXIIV: Vice City Stories! I'm doing research for Wikipedia!!"
--Guy Macon (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- I mean. That's how it was on the original game and at least up to Mario 3. Looks like the Mario Wiki confirms. (Hush. It's plenty reliable enough for a general statement about a video game on an essay.) GMGtalk 23:09, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- Oh, as far as added effect, if you're small you can't break bricks. AFAIK those are the only two effects, but the brick part didn't seem terribly relevant. GMGtalk 23:10, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
- Hmmm. "Although not actually playable in the 1994 remake for Donkey Kong, Mario does achieve the form in the ending for the game, where he used it to lift Donkey Kong off him as the latter begs for his son to help him."[1] So in that game it isn't true that Super Mario takes damage resulting in the character returning to regular size rather than dying. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:43, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- I mean, it's a theme. I'm not really all that concerned about the video games as I am about the meaning of the term is the popular lexicon on Wikipedia. Multiple games used the mechanic, and that's good enough for me. GMGtalk 01:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- I suppose I am getting a bit pedantic -- usually a good thing on Wikipedia but not always. I think the page does a good job of covering the different ways it is currently used on Wikipedia. --Guy Macon (talk) 02:19, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- I mean, it's a theme. I'm not really all that concerned about the video games as I am about the meaning of the term is the popular lexicon on Wikipedia. Multiple games used the mechanic, and that's good enough for me. GMGtalk 01:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- Hmmm. "Although not actually playable in the 1994 remake for Donkey Kong, Mario does achieve the form in the ending for the game, where he used it to lift Donkey Kong off him as the latter begs for his son to help him."[1] So in that game it isn't true that Super Mario takes damage resulting in the character returning to regular size rather than dying. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:43, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
From the Super Mario Bros. Instruction Booklet, "With each boost Mario changes into a different, more powerful Mario" (Image text: Mario+Magic Mushroom=Super Mario) "return to regular Mario when bumped into by a bad guy". [1] — xaosflux Talk 15:16, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
References
- ^ Nintendo (1985). Super Mario Bros. Instruction Booklet. Redmond, WA: Nintendo of America Inc. p. 8.
- Whoa. Xao getting all up in the attic and breaking out his NES memorabilia. GMGtalk 15:18, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
If we are going to use Super Mario Bros as our gold standard reference, what about:
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Or you can just follow the sources we have.
https://www.mariowiki.com/Small_Mario says "Small Mario (formerly referred to as Little Mario, Regular Mario or simply Mario) is the weakest form of the player character in the main Super Mario games."
https://www.mariowiki.com/Super_Mario_(form) says: "Super Mario (simply called Mario in Super Mario 3D Land and Super Mario 3D World) is a form of Mario which he assumes by eating a Super Mushroom."
( Not to be confused with https://www.mariowiki.com/Mega_Mario or https://www.mariowiki.com/Mini_Mario_(form) )
--Guy Macon (talk) 17:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- @Guy Macon: I'm absolutely not going to edit war over this :D I used the classic "regular" modifier instead of "small" on the essay as the way it applies to our editors who could review it, our editors are "regular" - this is the native form - editors shouldn't feel they are "small" just because they are not-admins. — xaosflux Talk 18:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
- I feel small because of a general loss of faith in humanity, persistent sense of hopelessness, and lack of meaningful connection to those around me. The not-being-an-admin part is incidental. GMGtalk 18:42, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Rename?
[edit]This page should be at Wikipedia:Super Mario effect because "effect" is a common noun and "Super Mario Effect" is not a proper noun. Flooded with them hundreds 12:55, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
- Good point. does anyone object? --Guy Macon (talk) 16:32, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
- Nah, just get it over with. Happy holidays.--DBigXrayᗙ 16:46, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
- Done. --Guy Macon (talk) 17:10, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Athaenara's case
[edit]In some severe cases it may result in a desysop+block/ban, not immune to the Super Mario effect. Admins are not immune to sanctions. Thingofme (talk) 10:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
- Just like being crushed between moving walls. Stifle (talk) 10:38, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
"Wikipedia:SME" listed at Redirects for discussion
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The redirect Wikipedia:SME has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 June 20 § Wikipedia:SME until a consensus is reached. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:16, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Mark Rober Ted Talk
[edit]Won't this be confused with the Mark Rober "Super Mario effect"?? Fun81 (talk) 04:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)