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02:39, 11 December 2024 review of submission by Informationappeared

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Is my draft too short? If you agree with this statement, please submit it as a stub. Informationappeared (talk) 02:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about the length requirement for a draft but you should add an infobox. EEpic (talk) 06:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Informationappeared: there is no such thing as "too short", really, as long as the draft provides enough information to be a meaningful description of its subject and the context.
I've no idea what you mean by "submit it as a stub". It probably is stub length, but this has no bearing on anything.
And no, @Ethiopian Epic, there is no requirement to add an infobox, and this wouldn't in any way affect a draft's chances of being accepted. Please don't give out misleading information. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

08:23, 11 December 2024 review of submission by Rhumagai

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why my article not accepted Rhumagai (talk) 08:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is a completely unreferenced essay that draws conclusions; original research is not permitted on Wikipedia. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about topics that meet our criteria. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

11:06, 11 December 2024 review of submission by 111.92.104.16

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What is the error in this draft. help me complete this 111.92.104.16 (talk) 11:06, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewers are here to advice, not co-write. The sources in the draft are not significant coverage, and more reliable sources are needed to establish notability. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "error" in it is that there is no evidence that the subject is notable. The draft cites two sources, of which one makes only the briefest of passing mentions of this station.
And if you just resubmit without even trying to address the decline reason, eventually the draft will get rejected outright, without the option to resubmit. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:38, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

11:10, 11 December 2024 review of submission by Petsquirrel

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hi! this page recently got approved for creation and was rated Start class. I'd like to improve it, can you recommend some steps I should take? thanks :) Petsquirrel (talk) 11:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Petsquirrel: once an article has been accepted it is no longer within the purview of the AfC project; you should therefore ask for general advice and support at the Teahouse or Help desk instead. That said, I would suggest that you take a look at the content assessment grades and criteria at WP:ASSESS; these will give you an indication of what is needed for an article to reach the next grade level. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:45, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

13:52, 11 December 2024 review of submission by Ridademello

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hello this article am trying to submit keeps getting rejected, i have provided decent sources. can you give me any advice for it to advance through Ridademello (talk) 13:52, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ridademello: this draft has been rejected due to persistent failure to comply with the relevant policies. It will therefore not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

14:37, 11 December 2024 review of submission by MegKat1

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I tried to search for additional references meeting the criteria, but was unable to locate substantial sources to add credibility to the article. Is it possible to delete it entirely? I couldn't find a way so far. Thank you. MegKat1 (talk) 14:37, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MegKat1: you want this draft to be deleted? Okay. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will delete it per your request. 331dot (talk) 14:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. MegKat1 (talk) 15:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

16:02, 11 December 2024 review of submission by It's Ferdux

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My page was lost so double tapped It's Ferdux (talk) 16:02, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@It's Ferdux: I don't know what "double tapped" means, but you need to stop this before you get yourself blocked. Wikipedia is not the place to promote yourself, or anything else for that matter. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:17, 11 December 2024 review of submission by Johnytiger

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I hope this message finds you well. I am seeking assistance with creating a Wikipedia page to document my career and contributions. Over the years, I have worked on several notable projects, including collaborations with the band I Set My Friends on Fire and appearances in their music videos.

Unfortunately, many of the references I previously had in major publications have since been removed, making it challenging to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. I have compiled the best available references and am exploring whether my documented contributions to music videos and other media can be used as valid citations.

I would greatly appreciate your expertise in navigating Wikipedia’s requirements and ensuring my page adheres to their standards. Please let me know how we can collaborate or if there are additional steps I should take to support this effort.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to your guidance. Johnytiger (talk) 19:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Johnytiger! Unfortunately, your draft has been rejected - this often happens when you submit drafts quickly without fixing the issues noted by the previous reviewer. This means you cannot submit it again. If you are quite sure you want to try again, you'll need to read through the policies I'm about to link, as well as the pages linked by the reviewers, and fix the draft to the best of your ability. You can then appeal to the last reviewer - but be sure you've followed all the policies to have a chance of success.
The main policy that you would need to follow is WP:BLP, for biographies of living people. It might sound silly for us to say you need to be able to prove that every single sentence you've written is correct - after all, it's you who's writing it - but we do this for the protection of anyone who has a Wikipedia article, so that no one can insert untruthful and potentially damaging lies. Take a look at WP:REFB, referencing for beginners, as well - your draft is effectively unreferenced, since all the references are in a pile at the end rather than supporting statements in the draft. You'll need to make sure the references support each statement as specified there. Make sure every reference conforms to all three criteria in WP:42!
Last but certainly not least, keep in mind that if your draft is accepted, it leaves your control completely. Other people can and will begin to edit it, and anything in your past - or your future! - that you would want to keep hidden may show up in the article. There are many reasons not to want a Wikipedia article; see WP:ABOUTME for more information.
I hope this helps, and wish you all the best. StartGrammarTime (talk) 00:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not "to document" anything - it is only interested in subjects which have already been documented in reliably-published places, independently of the subject. So an article about you should be based almost entirely on what people wholly unconnected with you have chosen to publish about you, not on what you or your associated say or want to say.
More fundamental in this context is that writing about yourself is very strongly discouraged on Wikipedia, as very few people can succeed in writing sufficiently neutrally about themselves. ColinFine (talk) 17:58, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

19:18, 11 December 2024 review of submission by BarComos

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Hello, I would like to know the exact reason for the rejection of the draft. As an additional note, the person mentioned in the article could have been the youngest individual to present at the Guadalajara International Book Fair, especially considering their age. BarComos (talk) 19:18, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BarComos The draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.
You haven't demonstrated that he is a notable creative professional or more broadly a notable person. 331dot (talk) 19:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
331dot thanks for explaining the difference between "declined" and "rejected". I’d like to share a few reasons why I believe Gio Canto meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines and why this draft deserves another look.
Participation at FIL Guadalajara 2024: Gio was one of the youngest authors at the Guadalajara International Book Fair, which is a major literary event in the Spanish-speaking world. This is a significant achievement for someone so young, and it’s been covered by reliable sources like El Occidental and Quadratín Guerrero.
Established Publishing Record: He’s published four books since 2022 in genres like sci-fi and fantasy. These books are available on international platforms like Open Library, which shows his work isn’t just local but has a broader reach.
Media Coverage: There’s been consistent coverage of his work and achievements by Mexican media outlets like El Sol de Chilpancingo and El Sol de Acapulco. This shows there’s ongoing public and media interest in his career.
Entrepreneurship: At 13, Gio founded his own publishing imprint, Gio Canto Books, which he’s used to publish his works. He also wrote a thoughtful article on AI in publishing, showing he’s engaging with relevant issues in the industry.
Meets Notability Guidelines: Wikipedia considers people notable if their achievements are widely covered by independent, reliable sources, and Gio’s career ticks these boxes.
I’d be happy to improve the draft further if needed, :) BarComos (talk) 19:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It sounds like the Fair doesn't contribute to him being a notable writer, as while he presented his work in the fair, it doesn't sound like it was "a substantial part of a significant exhibition"(my emphasis), it was one small part of the fair. He started his own company, which is uncommon but not unheard of for children, and little of the draft is devoted to that aspect of his life. Self-publishing a novel does not contribute to notability, as anyone can self-publish anything. Writing an article means little unless you have sources that describe a particular influence his article had. 331dot (talk) 20:06, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He might be a notable person, but if his claim to notability is "he's a young businessman and writer" you'll need sources that discuss the significance of that. 331dot (talk) 20:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi 331dot thank you for taking the time to respond and share your perspective. I’d like to address your concerns in more detail and clarify why Gio Canto meets Wikipedia’s notability criteria. Gio’s participation in the Guadalajara International Book Fair (FIL) 2024 was not just a casual inclusion. At the age of 15, he was one of the youngest authors to present at the fair, an event that is widely recognised as a major cultural platform in the Spanish-speaking world. This achievement was highlighted in media outlets such as *El Occidental* and *Quadratín Guerrero*, which drew attention to his unique position and talent. While I understand that presenting at the FIL alone may not establish notability, the media coverage surrounding his participation demonstrates that his presence was considered significant by reliable sources. Regarding his work as a publisher and writer, Gio founded his own publishing house, Gio Canto Books, at the age of 13. Through this imprint, he has published four books in multiple genres, including science fiction and fantasy, which have been distributed on international platforms such as Amazon and Apple Books. Additionally, Gio Canto is officially registered as a publisher with Mexico’s National Institute of Copyright (INDAutor), a status reflected in the public ISBN catalogue (https://isbnmexico.indautor.cerlalc.org/catalogo.php?mode=detalle&nt=435299). This formal recognition adds to the legitimacy of his contributions to the literary field. Gio Canto Books also has a notable online presence, including a professional profile on LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/gio-canto-books/about/?viewAsMember=true) and, if I recall correctly, a dedicated 800-number in Mexico as part of their contact system. These elements reflect an operational publishing house with efforts to reach a wide audience, further legitimising Gio’s entrepreneurial endeavours. While self-publishing itself is not inherently notable, Gio’s ability to consistently attract media attention for his works suggests a broader public and cultural interest in his career. Publications such as *El Sol de Chilpancingo* and *El Sol de Acapulco* have discussed his achievements, further supporting his relevance. You mentioned that writing an article alone does not establish notability, which I fully agree with. However, Gio’s article on the role of AI in publishing, published on Zenodo, reflects his engagement with contemporary issues in the literary industry. While its influence may not yet be widely documented, it complements the narrative of a young professional actively contributing to his field. I recognise that Wikipedia requires significant and independent coverage to establish notability. Gio’s story has been covered by multiple reliable sources that discuss his achievements as a young writer, entrepreneur, and cultural participant. If the draft does not sufficiently emphasise these aspects, I’m more than willing to make improvements to better align with Wikipedia’s standards. I appreciate your feedback and look forward to hearing if these points help address your concerns. :) BarComos (talk) 20:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source about the fair came up as not found. You say sources brought "visibility to his efforts in the literary community" but don't say what the significance of that visibility is or what his specific impact to the literary community is.
You say "Gio founded his own publishing imprint, Gio Canto Books, at the age of 13. The company not only serves as the platform for his self-published works but also reflects his entrepreneurial approach to the publishing industry." What is that approach? What is the significance of him founding a company to publish his own books? And a LinkedIn page is not an acceptable source. 331dot (talk) 20:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi 331dot, thanks for getting back to me. I appreciate your thoughts, and I’d like to address the points you’ve raised as clearly as possible. About the Guadalajara International Book Fair (FIL) source, I apologise if the link didn’t work earlier. Gio’s participation was highlighted by media outlets like *El Occidental* and *El Sol de Acapulco*, focusing on his status as one of the youngest authors at the event and his journey as an emerging writer. While his age alone might not be enough for notability, the media coverage suggests that his presence caught attention and resonated with the public. I can look for additional sources if that would help make this clearer. On Gio Canto Books, I understand your question about its significance. While many people self-publish, founding a publishing imprint at 13 is uncommon, especially when it’s structured as a registered business. According to the official website (https://giocantobooks.com/), Gio Canto Books is a trade name owned by Gio Antonio Canto Gómez, formally registered as a "Persona Física con Actividad Empresarial" in Mexico under the Commercial Code and Income Tax Law. This formal registration adds legitimacy to the imprint and distinguishes it from casual self-publishing efforts. Additionally, the website outlines the editorial services offered by the imprint, demonstrating its active role as a professional publishing entity. As for his impact on the literary community, it’s fair to say his career is still evolving. However, his work has already gained visibility through media coverage, his participation in FIL, and the distribution of his books on international platforms. His efforts are starting to carve out a space for him as an emerging voice in young adult speculative fiction. This visibility has brought attention to his books and his story, which have inspired interest in his journey as a young writer. I completely understand that notability needs to be demonstrated through reliable, independent sources, and I’m more than happy to strengthen the draft with better references and clearer explanations. If there’s a specific part of the draft that needs more detail, let me know, and I’ll work on it. Thanks again for your feedback and for taking the time to guide me through this process. BarComos (talk) 21:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your use of the terms "emerging writer", "career is still evolving",."starting to carve out", "emerging voice" etc. is a strong indication that it is too soon for an article about him. Being visible isn't in and of itself notable, there needs to be an impact. He sounds to me like a smart young man getting an early start on his career, but his impact hasn't really been determined yet. Feel free to not rely on me alone and get other opinions. 331dot (talk) 21:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My opinion aligns with 331dot's. A Wikipedia article is little more than a distraction from one's career and isn't going to help them be found; a badly-written-and-sourced Wikipedia article also runs the risk of damaging their career as it comes across as the guy trying to use it to promote themselves. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 19:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20:28, 11 December 2024 review of submission by Mxs116

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Why was my article rejected? Mxs116 (talk) 20:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a place for you to tell about your own projects. 331dot (talk) 20:51, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

21:05, 11 December 2024 review of submission by 47.178.25.93

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I'm reaching out to request further information about the decline reasons provided for my Wikipedia article draft.

Upon joining a new Wiki user, I was prompted to peer edit a handful of live/existing pages when I joined the platform that appeared to have many glaring issues. I am trying to understand why the one I drafted was declined in contrast, so I can better ascertain what to fix in my draft to avoid having it declined in subsequent reviews.

First, regarding "reliable sources" — it appears the draft was declined on the basis of citing a first-party source- i.e. the subject/topic's (Gem Pack Berries) own website. 1) is that assumption correct? and 2) is there ever an allowable instance where the subject's own website can be cited a Wikapedia page's source list, or will that always be flagged as a decline reason? I'm asking because I initially included it in my draft's source list since the material provided on the Gem Pack Berries website was informational and I had wanted to reference some of those notes in the Wikipedia page.

Second, regarding the subject "not qualifying for a Wikipedia article" based on the source criteria listed (in depth, reliable, secondary, strictly independent). Again I'd like to better understand how that's evaluated, as I have seen several other examples that do not meet some or all of these criteria. Is the expectation to meet all? Some? Most? Any additional detail on how this is evaluated would be much appreciated so I know what exactly to improve for the next round of revisions to my draft. I.e. does it just boil down to removing the subject's first-party website from the source list? That's the only thing I can really spot from my end that seems to go against the criteria. But again I wasn't aware that it was all or nothing and would thus decline the whole page.

Thanks for bearing with my questions as I'm learning and adapting to the platform. Appreciate any insights you can provide. 47.178.25.93 (talk) 21:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:PRIMARY for more information about how primary sources can be used- but they cannot be used to establish notability. That requires significant coverage in independent reliable sources. We don't want to know what a subject says about themselves or what their associates say about it, but what people wholly unconnected with the topic choose on their own to say about it, and not based on materials fed to them by the subject.
You have only summarized the routine business activities of the company and what it sees as its own history- routine business activities do not establish notability(see WP:ORG for the notability criteria) and we don't want to know what the company considers to be its own history, we want to know what others say it is.
Please see other stuff exists; it is usually a poor idea to use any random article as a model or example, as these other articles could themselves be inappropriate and simply not addressed yet by a volunteer, and you would be unaware of that as a new user. If you want to use other articles as a model, use those that are classified as good articles, which have received community vetting. If you would like to help us, please identify these other articles you have seen so we can take aaction. We need the help; we are only as good as the people who choose to help. 331dot (talk) 21:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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