Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 July 4

Propose merging Template:Starmer Shadow Cabinet with Template:Starmer Cabinet.
With the election being in Labour's favor by a comfortable margin, these two should be merged as the "Shadow Cabinet" one will be redundant within a day's time. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:35, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fully agree this would be the best thing to do. --ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter (talk) 06:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Grand Rapids and Indiana Railroad[edit]

Template:Grand Rapids and Indiana Railroad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with two blue links. DB1729^talk 23:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, it has three (including the parent), and the other redlinks are valid future articles. Mackensen (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep ~~per Mackensen~~. It contains information relevant to the subject displayed in a standardized format at an expected location. (It would be much less visible if buried as text in the article.)^{12:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)} Useddenim (talk) 01:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has two links in the body. That does not justify a navigation box. --DB1729^talk 11:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's really an editorial question. WP:NENAN is an essay, and the examples therein don't apply to this navbox and the related articles. Mackensen (talk) 10:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 02:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not much to navigate with. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not enough content to warrant a navbox. We keep templates based on the present, not future speculation that has had over a decade to come true but hasn't. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:49, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Pppery The template's been stable for sixteen years, which is longer than WP:NENAN's been an essay. TfD shouldn't be making these kinds of editorial decisions and NENAN isn't even a guideline. Are there other policies in play here? Is it a good outcome to delete a navbox when it is the sole navbox on two articles and one of two on the other? Mackensen (talk) 17:52, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 17:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Added another blue link. Mackensen (talk) 00:34, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Animals of Texas/doc[edit]

Template:Animals of Texas/doc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Evolution/doc (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused as parent uses {{Navbox documentation}}. Gonnym (talk) 09:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Niki and Gabi[edit]

Template:Niki and Gabi (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Navbox with just two links in the body. Not useful for navigation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Martial arts medalists for Iran[edit]

Template:Martial arts medalists for Iran (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary, this is just a list of Iranian athletes in different sports, completely unrelated list of people with different level of achievements, they have nothing in common except the nationality. Sports2021 (talk) 00:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:DartsDatabase[edit]

Template:DartsDatabase (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Seems to be doing the same thing as Template:Dartsdatabase. DB1729^talk 00:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the older and established {{Dartsdatabase}}, although neither template appears to work. I get 404 errors from every link. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch, they'd changed their domain and URL but thankfully kept the ID number the same. I have updated the template code, doc and the URL match and formatter in the property and have written to them suggesting adding a redirect in case of any hardcoded URLs. nice work @Jonesey95 Back ache (talk) 11:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AtWt2021[edit]

Template:AtWt2021 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused recently created citation template. These should be used practically immediately after being created and not left unused. Gonnym (talk) 12:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Now in use. Thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While it is in use, it is used on a single article. If a citation template can only be used on one article, it shouldn't be in a template. So subst and delete if no actual usages are found. Gonnym (talk) 08:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I get 174 results when searching for the DOI provided by this template, so clearly it can be used in multiple articles. Also registering my pushback against the idea that every newly created template has to be used in several articles immediately or face deletion within a month or so. Imagine if we applied that standard to our orphaned articles, or any other type of page on the website. Even unedited drafts get a six month grace period. Why do templates need to be deleted or used right right away?

But, this template: doesn't wrap a citation template, it just outputs one; it sets |display-authors=1, which is pretty idiosyncratic and probably not desirable to many editors or possibly readers; uses the CS2 template {{Citation}}, which has an identical caveat; uses both |date= and |year=, which adds pages transcluding it to Category:CS1 maint: date and year; has no configurability, just outputting the same code without accepting any parameters in the template call.

So, I feel this template is probably not fit to purpose. It should either be improved to a proper wrapper – without mandating a |display-authors= parameter – as well as ditching one of either |date= or |year=; or it should be userfied pending improvement or deleted outright, the probable outcome. Folly Mox (talk) 13:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2018 United States state legislative elections (upper house) imagemap[edit]

Template:2018 United States state legislative elections (upper house) imagemap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused election map. Gonnym (talk) 12:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Now in use. Thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 00:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fine with me to be kept as it is now in use. Gonnym (talk) 08:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2018 United States state legislative elections (lower house) imagemap[edit]

Template:2018 United States state legislative elections (lower house) imagemap (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)