Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 February 21

February 21

Template:Tolkien tourism

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was keep. Primefac (talk) 13:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Tolkien tourism (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This links real world filming locations with fictional places in Middle earth. This is the location version of WP:PERFNAV and the navbox version of WP:FANCRUFT. --woodensuperman 16:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. This is not any 'version' of WP:PERFNAV, it is about readers who want to know about, and possibly visit, real locations that they have seen in the films. Nor is it WP:FANCRUFT - 'important only to a small population of enthusiastic fans'; it appeals to a large number of people. There is a hobbit-hole on the Tourism New Zealand website front page, years after the films came out. Looking at the criteria for 'good navboxes' at WP:NAVBOX:

1. All articles relate to a single, coherent subject - J. R. R. Tolkien and his literary works.
2. Tolkien tourism is mentioned in most articles linked (though it could be trimmed - I'm looking at National Afrikaans Literary Museum and Research Centre, which doesn't mention Tolkien at all).
3. The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent. OK, there is not much cross-referencing, other than through this template.
4. There is a Wikipedia article on Tolkien tourism
5. If not for the navigation template, an editor would be inclined to link many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles - more subjective, but I would expect links between many of the NZ locations.

-- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 20:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

But this fails these points on nearly all counts. 1) This does not relate to a single coherent subject. Whilst fictional locations in Middle Earth would be a coherent subject, this is a selection of places that were used as filming locations in a movie franchise, the real-world elements are tangential from the subject. 2) Again, some of the mentions are just passing. 3) By your own admission, a fail. 4) Okay, but the article is sufficient. It is not appropriate for a navbox, in the same way that any category would be non-defining. 5) Any links would be for other reasons rather than Tolkien. --woodensuperman 08:41, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. PERFNAV and FANCRUFT don't apply as the use of "version" suggests. The template clearly does apply to a single coherent subject - hence the article. The idea that the "real-world elements are tangential" seems to be some form of Motte-and-bailey attempt to undermine the rationale. Yours, from the bar at the Bird and Baby. Ben MacDui 15:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

  Honestly, look how minor the connection with Lauterbrunnen, Mount Ruapehu or Mangawhero River is. There's a serious WP:UNDUE issue here. In some of these articles the only mention is "this was used as a film location for Lord of the Rings". This is not suitable for a navbox. And we have some sever WP:OVERLINKing issues with the place names. If this navbox was used correctly, the main subject of each article within should be about the specific use as a film location, such as Hobbiton Movie Set. --woodensuperman 16:22, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Template:WPRYT Uw-banner

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Template:WPRYT Uw-banner (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Across its 12-year history, this template seems to have been used exactly once. It's completely replacable with {{uw-delete1}}, with perhaps a personal comment added afterwards if one wished.

(As an aside, good for this page for allowing IPs to make nominations themselves. Why can't AfD do this too?) 2603:8001:4542:28FB:D1A0:7BBB:E6CF:5C27 (talk) 07:11, 21 February 2024 (UTC) (Send talk messages here)

• Delete per nom. Occidental𓍝Phantasmagoria [T/C] 18:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:09, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Template:Facebook page

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Facebook. ✗plicit 14:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

• Template:Facebook page  (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Facebook  (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Facebook page with Template:Facebook.
Template:Facebook seems like a pretty better version of Template:Facebook page 83.168.141.16 (talk) 02:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

• Merge or deprecate, {{Facebook}} has 14k transclusions whereas {{Facebook Page}} only has 82. Theooolone (talk) 07:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:09, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
• Merge. If I recall correctly, Facebook pages were a subset of Facebook profiles, such as those specifically for businesses. But it appears that the URL prefix /pages/ is not needed as I tested a replacement on the template in FEJUVE#External links. If it provides no special function (or even if it does), the templates can be merged. czar 13:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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