Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 November 19

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Administrative structure of Gujarat (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-page use only in draft space. Izno (talk) 21:33, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:11, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Template:Administrative structure of Gujarat serves as a detailed resource for understanding the administrative structure within the state of Gujarat like Template:Administrative structure of Bihar. It provides valuable information about the government's organization, its various departments, and their functions. Notably, this template is currently used in the Gujarat#Governance_and_administration article, and I intend to use it in the 'Administration in Gujarat' section in the near future. The template provides a structured and detailed exploration of the administrative structure of Gujarat. DilipSpatel (talk) 17:57, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

weak keep, now used in multiple pages. Frietjes (talk) 17:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Chitral-Union-Councils

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The result of the discussion was split into two navboxes Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:33, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chitral-Union-Councils (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Chitral District was split into Upper Chitral District and Lower Chitral District in 2018, and so should this template be split. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 19:02, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Split per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:52, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Atlantic Coast League

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 23:28, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Atlantic Coast League (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Atlantic Coast League was just recently deleted and this league is defunct. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Former Nickelodeon original series

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The result of the discussion was keep. ✗plicit 23:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Former Nickelodeon original series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Too large to provide a useful navigation function. We don't need a navbox for every program ever on the network, and we don't do this for other major networks. Best left for list or category navigation, the same way we would for {{ABCNetwork Shows (current and upcoming)}}, List of programs previously broadcast by ABC (American TV network) and Category:American Broadcasting Company original programming. --wooden superman 11:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: This was split out from currently running series, after agreement, for this exact reason. There is no reason to delete. And other networks not doing this is an WP:OSE argument and not a valid rationale for deletion. Amaury • 19:24, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No the reason to delete is that it does not perform a useful navigational aid, the whole point of a navbox. The same reason we don't have other navboxes of this kind, it's not an WP:OSE argument at all. Who actually wants to navigate in this way between these articles? WP:NAVBOXCREEP. --wooden superman 08:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep While in most cases this large a navbox indicates it's too large a category to be useful I don't think that's the case here. It's a likely that people want to go from one show they grew up with to another and this template fascilitates this more conveniently than leaving the page for a category or list and coming back. Also since most people will probably mainly be interested in a particular time period the number of links they have to look at is a lot more manageable than it may seem at first.

A split may however be desirable just based on the size, but I don't know enough about Nickelodeon to know what if any categorization is appropriate, but categories like sitcoms, live action and animated comes to mind. --Trialpears (talk) 14:47, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just a proposal to create several Templates for decades. Since if the problem is that it looks too long (and it will be even longer in the future), maybe we could create a template for "Former Nickelodeon original series (1970s-1980s)", another for "Former Nickelodeon original series (1990s)", others for "(2000s)", "(2010s)", "(2020s)".
Or since the decades are mentioned, without the need to include the word "Former", just "Nickelodeon original series ('Decade')", and in this way, in the case of "(2020s)", combine it with the template of current programming, adding sections for "Current", "Ended", and "Upcoming". BrookTheHumming (talk) 15:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But then by limiting by decades you're diminishing what little dubious navigational benefit there is by limiting the scope further. This is why lists and categories are best. --wooden superman 16:47, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This definitely should be split up by decade. I know alot about the shows and what categories they would belong to. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This template is not violating any policy in terms of templates. This should be split as it has gotten too large in the same we have several Netflix templates for original shows that have ended. Splitting should be discussed on the talk page. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:23, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox gender and sexual identity

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2023 November 30. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 15:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox_gender_and_sexual_identity (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:IATA and ICAO code

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:29, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:IATA and ICAO code (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Module:IATA and ICAO code (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Created 5 years ago and hasn't been used other than in one sandbox and an old talk discussion. Gonnym (talk) 12:28, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
if kept then rename to {{IATA and ICAO airport code}} and Module:IATA and ICAO airport code -- since this only deals with airport codes, and not airline codes -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 10:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Module:I18n

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:23, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Module:I18n (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused module. Gonnym (talk) 12:23, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note prior TfD closed as no consensus at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 September 15#Module:I18n. My opinion has not changed since then, so delete. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ping @Ans, RexxS, ProcrastinatingReader, and Mike Peel: the remaining 2020 participants aside from Gonnym and Pppery who are already here. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 10:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Module:Highlight

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Module:Highlight (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused module. Gonnym (talk) 12:22, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Module:AutoPortals

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 14:20, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Module:AutoPortals (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused portal related module. Gonnym (talk) 12:19, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:ABCNewsPresenters

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:25, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ABCNewsPresenters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This is just a WP:PERFNAV --wooden superman 12:42, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, we've had this discussion before somewhere and the result was 'Keep'. News presenters are journalists not performers. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:42, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Appearing on a specific television news programme is a performance and thus falls foul of WP:PERFNAV. --wooden superman 15:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the lead of News presenter, they are journalists and not perfomers. We've had this discussion and, unless I'm mistaken, the result was Keep. Can you recall where this occurred? Journalists are not performers even though they are reading from a telepromter, but yes, also act as journalists (or at least are supposed to). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If they are presenting on television, they are performing. Even if you do not see this as performing, the guideline applies to crew too and this is a navbox for a specific production, thus WP:PERFNAV: Avoid adding [...] crew members into navboxes for the productions they worked on. --wooden superman 15:30, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PERFNAV: This includes, but is not limited to actors/actresses, comedians, television/radio presenters, writers, composers, etc. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:37, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Now realizing that I didn't "officially" vote, so casting my official vote as delete. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Already better served by the category. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep a perfectly sensible navigation template. These people stay with ABC news for a long time and are committed to that job. They don't move all over the place like performers or quizmasters. The template is probably the only nav template on the biographies. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:53, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
convert to list article as List of Australian Broadcasting Corporation presenters for ABC News -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 07:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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delete after copying lists to ABC News (Australia). Frietjes (talk) 18:54, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:SBSNewsPresenters

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 00:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SBSNewsPresenters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This is nothing more than WP:PERFNAV. --wooden superman 12:39, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, we've had this discussion before on a nom and the result was Keep. News presenters are journalists, not performers. The nominator is back to his deletionist ways, maybe be more selective in deletion endeavors, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:44, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Appearing on a specific television news programme is a performance and thus falls foul of WP:PERFNAV. --wooden superman 15:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Randy Kryn, I will remind you to comment on content, not contributor. Izno (talk) 03:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Already better served by the category. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep a perfectly sensible navigation template. These people stay with SBS news for a long time. They don't move all over the place like performers or quizmasters. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:50, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Convert to list article as List of SBS Network presenters for SBS News -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 07:18, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 23:43, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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delete after copying list to SBS World News. Frietjes (talk) 18:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Module:Tlx

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 10:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Module:Tlx (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Barely used, redundant to Module:Template link general. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:03, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Module:RFX table

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 10:27, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Module:RFX table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused duplicate of Module:RFX report. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:00, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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