Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 September 4

September 4

Template:Infobox former subdivision

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:16, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

• Template:Infobox former subdivision (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Infobox settlement (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox former subdivision with Template:Infobox settlement.
A former settlement just has a couple extra parameters that a current settlement doesn't have. No need to have them as separate templates, per this discussion. PK2 (talk) 06:08, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

• Sounds reasonable to me. I don't have strong feelings about it either which way.--Discott (talk) 12:51, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:34, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as there's almost no overlap between the parameters of the two templates, and per the outcome of the discussion the previous time this proposal was brought up: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 March 3#Template:Infobox former subdivision. – Uanfala (talk) 15:05, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
  • The outcome of that discussion was "no consensus". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:14, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. A quick Python script on the parameters of each template yields the following:

  Number of parameters in {{Infobox settlement}} = 467

  Number of parameters in {{Infobox former subdivision}} = 426

  Number of parameters in common = 41

  Number of parameters in the union = 852

per Uanfala, merging would take a large amount of work compared to the benefit of having one fewer template. The combined template would be gigantic. — hike395 (talk) 22:23, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

The numbers alone are misleading; there are a great deal of reundant parameters, with synonymous names (for example |leader_name1=/|leader1=; |leader_name2=/|leader2= etc.). A comparison table is at Template:Infobox former subdivision/Parameters. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:25, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose as the common parameters are way too low from the stats above — DaxServer (talk to me) 09:49, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: If the proposer and merge voters think this is viable, please create a wrapper for Infobox settlement in this template's sandbox in order to demonstrate that it can work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:36, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
• Note: {{Infobox subdivision}} and {{Infobox former settlement}} both redirect to {{Infobox settlement}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:30, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
  • I note that {{infobox subdivision}} was first created as a redirect and is only transcluded in 4 articles - so that is basically irrelevant. MB 17:40, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
    • No; it is relevant, because it shows that we don't need a separate template for subdivisions; and that the template that does the job is {{Infobox settlement}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:44, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Category:Pages using infobox settlement with unknown parameters already has >10,000 articles. Merging would only make that worse. Category:Pages using infobox former subdivision with unknown parameters has zero. Status quo is more manageable. MB 17:40, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
• Here are some of the following test cases below: -- PK2 (talk) 22:54, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Testcases

Testcase 1

{{Infobox settlement}}

{{Infobox former subdivision}}

name native_name other_name settlement_type official_name translit_lang1 transcription(s)  • translit_lang1_type translit_lang1_info  • translit_lang1_type1 translit_lang1_info1  • translit_lang1_type2 translit_lang1_info2 translit_lang2 transcription(s)  • translit_lang2_type translit_lang2_info  • translit_lang2_type1 translit_lang2_info1  • translit_lang2_type2 translit_lang2_info2 image_caption Flag Seal Coat of arms Emblem Etymology: etymology Nickname:  nickname Motto:  motto Anthem: anthem map_caption map_caption1 Country subdivision_name subdivision_type1 subdivision_name1 subdivision_type2 subdivision_name2 established_title established_date established_title1 established_date1 established_title2 established_date2 established_title3 established_date3 established_title4 established_date4 established_title5 established_date5 established_title6 established_date6 established_title7 established_date7 extinct_title extinct_date Founded by founder Named for named_for seat_type seat seat1_type seat1 parts_type parts p1 p2 Government g_fn  • Type government_type  • Body governing_body  • leader_title leader_name (leader_party)  • leader_title1 leader_name1 Area a_fn  • total_type 1 km2 (0.4 sq mi)  • Land 1 km2 (0.4 sq mi)  • Water 1 km2 (0.4 sq mi)  area_water_percent%  • Urban a_u_fn 1 km2 (0.4 sq mi)  • Rural a_r_f 1 km2 (0.4 sq mi)  • Metro a_m_f 1 km2 (0.4 sq mi)  • Rank area_rank  • area_blank1_title 1 km2 (0.4 sq mi)  • area_blank2_title 1 km2 (0.4 sq mi)   area_note Dimensions d_f  • Length 1 km (0.6 mi) Elevation e_f (elevation_point) 1 m (3 ft) Highest elevation e_max_f (elevation_max_point) 1 m (3 ft)  • Rank elevation_max_rank Lowest elevation e_min_f (elevation_min_point) 1 m (3 ft)  • Rank elevation_min_rank Population  (population_as_of)p_f  • total_type population_total  • Estimate  (pop_est_as_of)p_e_f population_est  • Rank population_rank  • Density 1/km2 (3/sq mi)   • Rank population_density_rank  • Urban p_u_f population_urban  • Urban density 1/km2 (3/sq mi)  • Rural p_r_f population_rural  • Rural density 2/km2 (5/sq mi)  • Metro p_m_f population_metro  • Metro density 1/km2 (3/sq mi)  • population_blank1_title population_blank1  • population_blank1_title density 1/km2 (3/sq mi)  • population_blank2_title population_blank2  • population_blank2_title density 1/km2 (3/sq mi)   population_note Demonym population_demonym demographics_type1 d1_f  • demographics1_title1 demographics1_info1 demographics_type2 d2_f  • demographics2_title1 demographics2_info1 Time zones timezone1_location UTCutc_offset1 (timezone1)  • Summer (DST) UTCutc_offset1_DST (timezone1_DST) timezone2_location UTCutc_offset2 (timezone2)  • Summer (DST) UTCutc_offset2_DST (timezone2_DST) timezone3_location UTCutc_offset3 (timezone3)  • Summer (DST) UTCutc_offset3_DST (timezone3_DST) timezone4_location UTCutc_offset4 (timezone4)  • Summer (DST) UTCutc_offset4_DST (timezone4_DST) timezone5_location UTCutc_offset5 (timezone5)  • Summer (DST) UTCutc_offset5_DST (timezone5_DST) postal_code_type postal_code postal2_code_type postal2_code area_code_type area_code Geocode geocode ISO 3166 code iso_code registration_plate_type registration_plate code1_name code1_info code2_name code2_info blank_name_sec1 blank_info_sec1 blank1_name_sec1 blank1_info_sec1 blank2_name_sec1 blank2_info_sec1 blank_name_sec2 blank_info_sec2 blank1_name_sec2 blank1_info_sec2 blank2_name_sec2 blank2_info_sec2 Website website module footnotes

native_name Country Flag map_caption Anthem anthem Government  • Type government_type  • Motto motto Preceded by p1 p2 footnotes

Testcase 2

{{Infobox former subdivision}}

{{Infobox settlement}}

conventional_long_name native_name status_text life_span Flag Coat of arms image_map_caption Anthem anthem Capital capital Demonym demonym Area   Area transferred  • area_gained_year1 area_gained1 from gained_from1  • area_lost_year1 area_lost1 to lost_to1 • stat_year1 Population   • stat_year1 stat_pop1 Status Status CodeName Code Government Government  • Type government_type  • HQ HQ  • Motto motto title_leader   • year_leader1 leader1 title_deputy   • year_deputy1 deputy1 Arms arms_caption Civic civic_caption Legislature legislature • type_house1 house1 • type_house2 house2 Historical era era • event_pre date_pre • event_start date_start year_start • event1 date_event1 • event2 date_event2 • event3 date_event3 • event4 date_event4 • event5 date_event5 • event_end date_end year_end • event_post date_post Contained within  • membership_title1 membership1  • membership_title2 membership2  • membership_title3 membership3  • membership_title4 membership4  • membership_title5 membership5 Subdivisions  • Type Divisions  • Units DivisionsNames Missing map.svg divisions_map_caption Political subdivisions political_subdiv Preceded by Succeeded by p1 s1 Today part of today footnotes

Templates for discussion/Log/2021 September 4 native_name Flag Motto:  motto Anthem: anthem Boroughs List p1 Government  • Type government_type footnotes

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

Template:Hurricane Ida series

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 September 13. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

• Template:Hurricane_Ida_series (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

Template:Puerto Rico Democratic primary polls, 2016

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

• Template:Puerto Rico Democratic primary polls, 2016 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused after I merged the table into the Statewide opinion polling for the 2016 Democratic Party presidential primaries article. Was the only one created as a separate template. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:18, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 04:44, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

Template:Bangladesh–Pakistan relations

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 September 13. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

• Template:Bangladesh–Pakistan_relations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

Template:Pakistan–Russia relations

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 September 13. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 22:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

• Template:Pakistan–Russia_relations (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

Template:Infobox struttura militare

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template(s) or module(s) below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted as G7 by Materialscientist (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 15:13, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

• Template:Infobox struttura militare (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not sure if this is really necessary to take to TfD, but better safe than sorry. Page was created blank but seemingly meant as a redirect to {{Infobox military installation}}, but it doesn't make sense there as it's from a foreign language not particularly associated with the concept of a military installation (so fails WP:RFOREIGN). Would've taken to RfD if this was actually a redirect, but feels wrong to edit a page only to be able nominate it for deletion via a different venue. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:11, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

• Tagged for speedy deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:37, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).