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2008 Nepalese Constituent Assembly election templates

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The result of the discussion was Delete -FASTILY 07:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not used anywhere and redundant for the purpose of being classified as election templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why these aren't used at 2008 Nepalese Constituent Assembly election, but either subst to there (with some kind of headers explaining them) or delete if unwanted. Gonnym (talk) 21:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Sure, it can be. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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1999 Nepalese legislative election templates

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The result of the discussion was Delete -FASTILY 07:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not used anywhere and redundant for the purpose of being classified as election templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure why these aren't used at 1999 Nepalese general election, but either subst to there (with some kind of headers explaining them) or delete if unwanted. Gonnym (talk) 21:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Sure, it can be. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Nepal 1994 and 1999 election templates

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The result of the discussion was Delete -FASTILY 07:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not used anywhere and redundant for the purpose of being classified as election templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 August 11. Izno (talk) 02:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Sanamahism

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Template:1897 Philippine presidential election results

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 August 14. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:08, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:1935 Philippine vice presidential election results

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Template:1941 Philippine Senate election results

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Philippine Assembly election results

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Template:Sri Lanka Central Provincial Council election result, 2009

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The result of the discussion was delete after substituting into articles where appropriate Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:07, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The first two 2009 and the Sri Lanka North Western Provincial Council election result, 2009 templates should be substituted on the two election articles it is used on. The rest are single-use and should be substituted where used. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:28, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Sri Lanka Central Provincial Council election result, 2009; Sri Lanka Eastern Provincial Council election result, 2009; and Sri Lanka North Western Provincial Council election result, 2009; substitute and delete the rest. The former have multiple transclusions and should not be substituted. The rest have one transclusion and should be substituted. --Bsherr (talk) 00:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Subst and delete per Number57. Gonnym (talk) 11:58, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Malayan general election, 1955

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The result of the discussion was delete after substituting into articles where appropriate Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:06, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 1955 template is unused as the article uses a different table. The rest are single-use and should be substituted where used. The 2008 template is used on two other articles and should be transcluded elsewhere the #section-h function. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:57, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Malaysian general election, 2008; and Malaysian general election, 2018; delete Malayan general election, 1955; and substitute and delete the rest. The templates I propose to keep have multiple transclusions. I agree with the nominator concerning the others. --Bsherr (talk) 00:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Subst and delete - subst to most specific article (either results or election) and trasnclude if needed. Gonnym (talk) 11:57, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Johor state election, 2013

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The result of the discussion was delete after substituting into articles where appropriate Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:05, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All single-use Malaysian State elections and should be substituted where used. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:57, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Subst and delete - subst to the election articles. For Template:Penang state election, 2008, Template:Penang state election, 2013 and Template:Sabah state election, 2018, subst to the state election article and transclude to the Malaysian state election article. Gonnym (talk) 11:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Taiwan presidential election, 2000

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The result of the discussion was delete from candidate articles after replacing with prose Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:04, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not used on the presidential election articles, instead, it's used on the articles of the candidates who ran for the respective elections. The templates should either be deleted outright or substituted on the politicians' articles. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I don't think results tables should be on the respective politicians' articles. If there is consensus is that they should, the results tables from the election articles can be transcluded there using #section-h and these still deleted. Number 57 22:14, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. These templates have multiple transclusions. Section transclusion is an inferior alternative because the intent is to transclude the table, not an entire section of an article. --Bsherr (talk) 12:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Responding to the comment above the line, there is a valid question over whether these uses are actually appropriate, and I do not think they are. However, if we do want to keep the tables, election result templates are prone to vandalism or unsourced changes, hence I'd say they are an inferior option to transclusion, which will be from an article watched by multiple editors. Number 57 14:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove from articles and delete. There is no reason to have these tables on individual articles. If needed to note what result they achieved in a specific election, that should be a one liner in prose, not a table with irrelevant data. A link to the election from the prose or hatnote is the proper way to handle this. Gonnym (talk) 15:13, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Remove and delete - The candidate articles should not have the detailed results. Prose, plus a link to the election article (which contains the detail) is a better approach. Nigej (talk) 20:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Iranian presidential election, 1980

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The result of the discussion was delete after substituting in election articles and removing from election history articles. Frietjes (talk) 16:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

All should be substituted where used. No need for the information to be on separate templates since these are created for one purpose and won't be updated regularly. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:33, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove, subst and delete. Remove templates and tables completely from the "Election history of ..." articles (Electoral history of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani ). Those articles are just abusing the template space to inflate articles with minimal prose and offer no value. Those articles (if at all needed) should have the relevant data and not tables with 10 irrelevant entries each. Subst to the most specific election article and if used on a secondary, more general election article, transclude to it. Gonnym (talk) 15:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Kang the Conqueror

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Frietjes (talk) 16:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Most of these articles are not bound together my Kang. ★Trekker (talk) 20:13, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@*Treker: Oppose: They are bound by Nathaniel Richards and his variants, which are Rama-Tut, Kang the Conqueror, Immortus, and Iron Lad, which is why I created it as Template:Nathaniel Richards. Rise of Apocalypse is a Rama-Tut storyline, Avengers Forever and Kang Dynasty are Kang storylines, Young Avengers and Exiles are Iron Lad storylines. All are Nathaniel Richards storylines. I have removed Grandmaster and Blackagar Boltagon; they were more single storyline characters in terms of association, but the rest are notable. 21AndSon (talk) 22:19, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@21AndSon: This is simply not what navboxes are for, they aren't supposed to be used for a bunch of articles that are mildly connected to each other in convoluted ways.★Trekker (talk) 22:23, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@*Treker: Comic books are convoluted, but all of these storylines follow all follow the same character, Nathaniel Richards, at different points in time, and only some off them follow him as "Kang". Ravonna and Cassie Lang are love interests of Kang and Iron Lad, Immortus is a member of the Time Variance Authority, Iron Lad is a member of the Young Avengers and the Exiles. I would propose moving to Template:Nathaniel Richards again, as it is the more neutral title. 21AndSon (talk) 22:39, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@21AndSon: As far as I see it this template is simply not helpful for navigation, the articles that have relations to each other are most likely simply going to be linked to each other in the text already.★Trekker (talk) 22:42, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@*Treker: It can be improved upon, but I do believe is helpful for navigation, to link together the related articles about the character, and help someone find out information about the character and their storylines without needing to read the entire article. 21AndSon (talk) 22:54, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: @*Treker to be honest, almost all comic related navbox are just bad. Look at a page like X-Men and see how many navboxes it has, now try and find the actual unique links. Or even worse, look at Captain America and see the amount of other character navbox he is included in. It would seem that comic editors are using navbox to replace list articles instead of using one comic-publication character navbox and one media navbox (comic titles, films, etc). So yes, while this navbox is just not needed and should be deleted, it's not worse than all the others. Gonnym (talk) 10:03, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@*Treker: By this, the majority of comic-publication character navboxes that there are should be deleted. There should be a separate type of navbox for comic book series and characters just as there are for comic-publication character infoboxes. 21AndSon (talk) 12:41, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gonnym and 21AndSon:The majority do not need to be deleted, they just need to be majorly trimmed. There is no reason that Captain Americ would need to be linked as "antagonist" or "supporting character" on a bunch of random navboxes.★Trekker (talk) 14:20, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for the alter-egos alone. Given the nature of who Kang is in the comics, having a quick navigation between all of his alter egos is helpful to the reader. I would not be opposed to reduction of links if others feel there is that need, but as stated, simply because of who the character is and all the alter egos they've had over the years, this is useful. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 14:14, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Favre. This links to several useful articles and helps navigate readers through all of his variants. "Nathaniel Richards" isn't likely as known as Kang is, but at least that should be a redirect here. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:31, 26 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per reasons listed by Favre1fan93 above. Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:42, 27 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Palestine legislative election, 1996

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 09:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The 1996 template is unused. The 2006 and 2005 templates are redundant as these election articles use a different table for the results and are used on the PNA mainspace. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:06, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Now all unused as I transcluded the results tables from the election articles to where the (less detailed) 2005/2006 templates were being used. Number 57 22:12, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The practice of using section transclusion with onlyinclude tags to transclude a table is inferior to using a template, because it prevents the use of VTE links and is confusing for less experienced editors. As a best practice, section transclusion should be used when the purpose is to transclude the section, not as a workaround to avoid a template. The 2005 and 2006 tables that are used in the articles should be split from the articles to the respective template pages. --Bsherr (talk) 00:20, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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    • Responding to the comment above the line, IMO using template space for results tables is the inferior option here because templates are prone to unspotted vandalism and unsourced changes as so few people watch them. Number 57 14:17, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as now used, but even if it were used, I'd support subst and delete. To respond to Bsherr, the actual solution to these data tables is using a place that is designed to store data, such as Wikidata, and then design a template that handles the visual side of things and is used for all articles, such as {{Election results}}. However, since we aren't using that structure and are still using outdated and bad design principles, the better solution of the two (transclusion or templates) would be to keep the data in a much more highly viewed and watched page, where editors can make sure vandalism and bad edits are reverted. The templates themselves, usually have very few watchers and I wouldn't be surprised that most only have the template creator. Additionally, the usage of election result templates on more than one page is usually incorrect. Some pages have just been turned into a repository of results without any actual prose or added value over the yearly election articles. Gonnym (talk) 15:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Borders of Zambia

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A navbox with no actual article linked to it. —— Eric Liu（Talk） 09:19, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Borders of Uganda

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Template:Borders of Somalia

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Template:Borders of Rwanda

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A navbox with no actual article linked to. —— Eric Liu（Talk） 08:53, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Borders of North Macedonia

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Template:Borders of Luxembourg

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Template:Borders of Liechtenstein

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Template:Borders of Kosovo

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Template:Borders of Kenya

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Template:Borders of Gabon

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Template:Borders of Eritrea

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Template:Borders of Equatorial Guinea

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 09:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A navbox with no actual article linked to. —— Eric Liu（Talk） 05:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Borders of Djibouti

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 09:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A navbox with no actual article linked to. —— Eric Liu（Talk） 04:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Borders of Burundi

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 09:07, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A navbox with no actual article linked to. —— Eric Liu（Talk） 04:43, 2 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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