Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 April 7

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The result of the discussion was delete. There is a strong consensus to delete all these templates, which is consistent with the prior RfC deprecating links to Wikipedia books. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 12:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wikipedia book (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Wikipedia books (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Books-inline (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Book bar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Wikipedia book with Template:Wikipedia books.
Obvious duplicate of the latter but with only a handful of uses. A plain redirect will work even if rendering is re-enabled at {{Wikipedia books}} (see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 176#Suppress rendering of Template:Wikipedia books for context). --Trialpears (talk) 20:51, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete ~~both~~all This is cruft that either hasn't done anything (for the ~~second~~last three templates) or shouldn't have done anything (for the first template) for over a year. There is no reason to keep templates that do literally nothing (with the exception of {{void}}) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC) (edited * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)))[reply]
At this point I would honestly be alright with this outcome. Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 177#Deprecate linking to Wikipedia books in templates and articles shows that the community is fine with removal of the not as easily hidden links and I don't see much hope that it will ever be something that will be useful for readers. ([[1]] from June 2019 and associated T241584 last post Jan 2020 are the closest we have) Even if it becomes usable I don't see any demand for a service like this other than from Steelpillow and possibly a couple of other editors. If you want to start this discussion in honest I would suggest another nom which includes {{Books-inline}} and {{Book bar}} since I find it not unlikely it will end up quite controversial and this original uncontroversial request being lost in the noise. I will not be writing up a proper rationale for this, I'm way too conflicted about the topic. --Trialpears (talk) 21:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing I thought this would be more controversial than it seems to be. I have given it some more thought and have concluded that it's unlikely Wikipedia Books will be beneficial to readers even if they become easily usable in the future. Consider me fully in support of deletion. --Trialpears (talk) 19:19, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Restore redirect. Wikipedia book was a redirect to Wikipedia books until last November, when it was turned into a duplicate template for some reason by an editor who has since been CIR blocked (I assume they objected to the template being disabled). No reason at all to have two templates that have the exact same functionality, and existing transclusions of Wikipedia book (of which there's only 7 anyway) should work properly with just a redirect. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 11:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Although I voted redirect originally I have no objections to deletion. The in house book renderer hasn't worked since 2017 and these templates have been hidden for over a year. The new PDF rendering engine (Proton) doesn't support books and the WMF seem to have no interest in supporting book creation as so few editors used it. As it stands there is no point sending readers to an namespace where every page is flagged with a banner saying the service has been withdrawn, and this state of affairs that does not seem likely to change in the future. From a navigational and organizational perspective they're largely redundant to categories, lists, navboxes and summary style articles, all of which are much better maintained as they are more visible. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 00:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ~~both~~ all I agree with Pppery on this, they haven't been helpful in a long time and there are several issues with some books. On top of that, they actually add nothing to wiki. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 18:44, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ~~both~~ all, I too agree with Pppery. Wikibooks have long been questioned, they're very crufty and add little if nothing to wiki.≫ Lil-Unique1 -{ Talk }- 20:29, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've tagged {{Books-inline}} and {{Book bar}}. They are the other empty templates formerly generating book links. Courtesy pings to @Pppery, 86.23.109.101, MarioSoulTruthFan, and Lil-unique1:. --Trialpears (talk) 19:19, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom and above Aza24 (talk) 18:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. As explained here and elsewhere, linking to WP books is of zero value to the reader, or for that matter anyone else. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Original Arena Football League teams

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:32, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Original Arena Football League teams (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The topic of the first four teams of a defunct minor league is not a notable stand alone subject and the template is redundant with {{Arena Football League}} as the four teams are also listed there so it is not a useful navigation template. Just more WP:TCREEP on the five pages involved. Yosemiter (talk) 18:12, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

delete, navbox overkill. Frietjes (talk) 16:29, 14 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:8TeamBracket-TorneoDiViareggio

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:36, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:8TeamBracket-TorneoDiViareggio (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

replaced by {{8TeamBracket|legs=2/1/1}} Frietjes (talk) 16:43, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:8TeamBracket-NoSeeds-TTProLeague

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:36, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:8TeamBracket-NoSeeds-TTProLeague (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

redundant to {{8TeamBracket|seeds=no}} Frietjes (talk) 16:23, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:8TeamBracket-Basketball

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:37, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:8TeamBracket-Basketball (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

redundant to {{8TeamBracket|sets=3}} (replaced in about a dozen Volleyball articles, and only one Basketball article) Frietjes (talk) 16:21, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Old unused module sandboxes

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:37, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Module:Episode list/sandbox2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Module:Episode table/sandbox2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Module:Transclusion count/sandbox2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

As per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 October 16#Old unused module sandboxes. It's been a few more months, and a few more sandboxes have fallen unedited for over a year. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:54, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Wikidata date

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 April 15. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wikidata_date (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Module:Wikidata_date (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Module:Calendar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Module:Scrabble letters

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 13:38, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Scrabble letter table (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Scrabble letter list (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Module:Scrabble letters (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only used in creator's sandbox. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:NOT for Wikipedia. --Izno (talk) 22:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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