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Hello, Since editing and saving in the sandbox, the link to sandbox1 disappeared. The draft I've created was moved into that location and it was accessible by a link that they had provided. I recently was working on a contribution to another article in the sandbox and noticed after saving content this link disappeared - or a least I'm unaware of how to access or add the link. Not a big deal Draft:Kent Tate is still accessible - just not as easy to access. Thanks! LorriBrown (talk) 16:30, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, LorriBrown. I don't quite understand what you're saying, but are you aware that you can look at all your contributions by picking "Contributions" at the top of the screen; and that should contain links to any article you have edited? --ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
ColinFine When I created the article - I created it in the sandbox but indicated that it a draft. It was moved to sandbox1. The editor left a link so with a couple of clicks I could access the article. I just tried your suggestion (and that is helpful to know) but do I need to scroll through all the edits to locate a specific article. I tried to search for the draft but what I tried didn't work.LorriBrown (talk) 16:50, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, LorriBrown. You can edit your User page to add any wikilinks you find useful - for example, the link to Draft:Kent Tate. Then you'll be able to find the link any time you want. --ColinFine (talk) 17:16, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
ColinFine Thank you.LorriBrown (talk) 17:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Attack page An attack page is a page, in any namespace, that exists primarily to disparage or threaten its subject

I consider page Trump derangement syndrome as Wikipedia:Attack page, but cannot delete myself, because wikipedians had vote before, and now said me this is not attack against living people. Please, ask Wikimedia Foundation to delete this. Thanks. PoetVeches (talk) 19:00, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

No need to raise this in more than one place. You have already raised this issue at Talk:Trump derangement syndrome#Wikipedia Attack page. Your "LOL" didn't go over well. The editors there are still waiting for you to response to the last post PoetVeches, these are serious responses to what we took to be an earnest question. Please elaborate, lest your comments be interpreted as trolling.. Meters (talk) 19:21, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
The article is a characterization of people attacking President Trump as being irrational, i.e., having Trump derangement syndrome (TDS). It is not an attack on President Trump. As examples of people accused of having TDS, it names Joe Scarborough and Whoopi Goldberg. Perhaps their names could be removed, but not the article. David notMD (talk) 19:25, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

extra brackets??

I put the fact that Tony Guilfoyle portrayed the Bishop of Durham on the Crown, but when I try to hyperlink 'The Bishop of Durham', for some reason it adds extra square brackets on the page. Why is it doing that?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebekahbird (talk • contribs) 21:52, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thebekahbird. You did my trick of simply typing too many brackets and not noticing them (diff). Another editor, Theroadislong has kindly removed them. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:41, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

AFD process

I started an AFD on Adal Kingdom, did I do it right? Can somebody take a look at it. Thank you! If not what should I do? Feedback needed. Magherbin (talk) 03:09, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Magherbin: Welcome to the Teahouse. Whilst you may have followed the AFD process correctly, I think you were wrong to have put this article up for a deletion discussion without making any prior attempt to raise your concerns on the article's talk page first, and thus giving editors more than the 7 days to consider deleting or keeping it. Do you think it is a clear case of a hoax article? Or have references simply been misinterpreted? Or have you taken this action without even checking all the sources? The former would definitely deserve deletion, but in all other cases I think withdrawing the AFD, placing a "disputed" template on the page, and raising concerns on its and any other related Talk Page would have been the right process to have followed. To withdraw an an AFD, strike out you nomination and place a !vote which says: "Withdrawn by nominator -will first address my concerns on article's talk page". Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
User:Nick Moyes Thanks for taking the time to reply. Its abit too late as discussion started pretty quickly on the AFD, however I see the first step would be to go to the talk page before requesting AFD process, ill keep that in mind for next time. To anwer your question, I think the references used were of a minority viewpoint or not mainstream (notability issue) Magherbin (talk) 23:48, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

what reference can be used

HI, I am a newbie and have already had edits to an article reverted! Great start! ha.

I am a friend of someone (aged 96) who has had an entry made about them. He would like it changed as it includes information he doesn't want in the public realm.

What can I do to assist?

Regards TimEdittoo (talk) 15:37, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Edittoo, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is, effectively, a place where information already in the public domain and from reliable sources is collated. The subjects of those article (Leslie Marr) has no ownership of the Wikipedia content, or a say in how it is presented. (Unless, of course, there are gross misrepresentation of facts which need immediately removing) Your first edit summary said: Leslie wanted most of the references to his very brief stint as a racing driver removed and replaced with his success as an artist. Also he didn't want mention of his baronet status as he never uses the title. I'm afraid those are the two features about him that makes him Notable as far as Wikipedia is concerned, rather than as an artist. They are unlikely to be removed, I'm afraid. Sorry.
Your other edit summaries were extremely misleading: You added quite a bit of unsupported content, whilst adding a YouTube link into the body of the article, not removing it as you said. That was not acceptable, and it was reverted by an automated 'bot'. We rarely rely on YouTube as citations - just occasionally we use them in External Links. An automated bot reverted at least one of those additions. My impression is that Mr Marr would like the article's emphasis about him changed to focus on his artwork. That is understandable, but that can only happen if you can include references to where other notable organisations have covered his artist achievements; ignore his own online material in that regard. I hope this assists you in your understanding of how we operate.
Finally, because you are connected with the subject, you do have what we term a Conflict of Interest, and my advice is that you simply go to the article's talk page and offer changes that you would like to see made (with a suggested version of your text plus references) and leave it to an unconnected and more experienced editor to modify the article appropriately. See also Wikipedia:Edit requests and Help:Referencing for beginners further guidance in these areas. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:23, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Tim ad welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry your first experience was frustrating, especially as you were trying to help a friend; but Wikipedia is its own project, with its own rules and practices, and it can be hard to get to grips with them. As well as the resources that Nick gave you, you might like to look at WP:ABOUTYOU. --ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments and help Nick and Colin. Re the youtube links - there were originally two - one as a link in the word YouTube and one that was a straight link, I removed one, thought that was ok, (it wasn't) then removed the other. Neither was 'added' later. Re references that can be used - as Nick suggests I ask nicely on the pages Talk for someone experienced to adapt the article which references would be accepted? ones from websites? newspapers? periodicals? I guess web addresses would be best? Thanks. tim Edittoo (talk) 16:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Edittoo: I feel Wikipedia has done Leslie Marr a disservice. As my mother was an artist in south London during the war years, and was of exactly Marr's age, I felt moved to spend some time looking into him this evening. I now agree with you that his brief time as a racing driver pales into insignificance with his lifetime spent at the easel. It is by no means perfect, but I've attempted to pull together a little bit about his life and work, and have added his interview about David Bomberg in an External Links section. I have also added your photograph of Marr to the article. As you have access to him and his work, might I suggest you seek his permission to take and upload a small number of pictures of his work at a suitably low resolution so that it is OK for webdisplay, but not such quality that it could have a commercial impact if someone chose to use it? I feel I misjudged him and your motivation for making the edits you did, and would like to apologise if my early reply to you seemed brusque. I wish him well. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:24, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Changing name of a file in wikimedia commons

Strepsiptera male (265 04) Male specimen of Strepsiptera

Dear contributors,

there's an image file that's been bothering me for some time in wikimedia commons.

It's a picture of an insect, and it has been wrongly identified. I changed the description with a better Identification, but the name of the file I don't know how to change.

(265 04) specimen of Psocoptera.jpg Here's the page

Thank you for you help !

PS : on the file page, it is still displayed that it is used on another page. This is wrong, as I removed it from the said other page, as it was misused. Is this part updated automatically, or can I do it ?

StrepsipZerg (talk) 16:04, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, StrepsipZerg welcome to the Teahouse. As an entomologist, you'll be well aware of the significance of, and difference between, coll. & det. on museum specimens - something, sadly, that Wikimedia Commons doesn't care anything about. It has long concerned me that not enough effort is made on Commons to enable identifications to be either challenged or confirmed. Similarly, you'll be aware of the importance of retaining previous dated determinations as part of a specimen's history, and to enable the current identification to be challenged or amended in the context of the taxonomic understanding at a given point in time.
So, rather than simply changing the image name to accord with your views, I would advise first noting your concerns over the id. (Oops-have just checked and I see you did this back in 2017) My id skills only go as far as feeling, as you do, that this does indeed looks like a Psocid, and I note that was how you had changed the description. Personally, I feel it would be helpful for you to include a note in that description to indicate how it was originally described as a Strepsipteran, and included a note clarifying your own level of competence. I initially thought that the photographer might have been a specialist entomologist, but the set of images uploaded by his heirs suggest he was more of a microscopist, not specialising in any one taxonomic field - hence the greater likelihood for id error.
To actually address your question: you can request a file rename (actually a file move) using the 'Move' tab at the top of the page. (Look for the tab to the left of the search box). Once again, I suggest you include a note in that request on your own entomological competence to add justification to the name change - and do choose a suitably 'coarse' level of name to alter it to. You will also need to change the Category this file is included in. Does this all make sense? regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:45, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
StrepsipZerg, this discussion should be taking place in Commons, not here. You cannot do anything to the file from within Wikipedia --ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi StrepsipZerg. As pointed out by ColinFine, you will need to request that the name of the file be changed by an editor who has been given permission to rename Commons files. First, please carefully read through c:COM:RENAME because the names of files are only changed in certain specific cases. If after reading this page, you still feel the file name should be changed, you can request it be done by adding c:Template:Rename to the top of the file's page (c:File:Psocoptera (265 04) specimen of Psocoptera.jpg). If you find yourself having problems, you can always ask for help at c:COM:HD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:53, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Roles or permissions

I am a new(er) editor on wikipedia, although I have used Wikipedia for ages. I am wondering what positions, roles, and permissions, I would be applicable for. I would love any replies (That are not from a bot), thanks, — user:DaedalusGodOfWisdom —Preceding undated comment added 23:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@DaedalusGodOfWisdom: Welcome back to Wikipedia. WP:UAL is a page that explains the various roles and permissions. If you are new, you should concentrate on learning and gaining experience, and not be concerned about trying to get extra permissions. RudolfRed (talk) 23:29, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Hear, hear! @DaedalusGodOfWisdom: you are already autoconfirmed, which is the qualification that matters most, and gives you the freedom to do everything you need. So go ahead and edit more articles, improve the level of knowledge in the world - we need your help.--Gronk Oz (talk) 01:59, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Adventure is irresponsive

I have tried using the gamification in TWA to travel through the wiki journey but the links have never progressed any further from the first page at glance. How do I access TWA

Ohanwe Emmanuel .I. (talk) 01:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello Ohanwe Emmanuel .I., welcome to the Teahouse! I don't believe that the Wikipedia Adventure works on mobile devices at the moment. You can try using the "Desktop mode" at the bottom of the page, but for best results you should use a computer. If you are still unable to use the Wikipedia Adventure, you can look through the introduction. It provides similar information to the Adventure, but in a more traditional form. Happy editing! AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 01:59, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Mathieu de Montmorency

The Wikepedia page titled Mathieu de Montmorency has a portrait at the top of the oldest son of Madame Germaine de Stael, Auguste de Stael, which hangs in the Chateau of Coppet in Switzerland. It is NOT Mathieu de Montmorency and should be removed. Mathieu de Montmorency in his youth in Google Images looks like a younger version of the bottom picture. The two portraits currently on the page are quite obviously NOT the same person at all. I have no idea how to remove the incorrect portrait, but I am very familiar with Madame de Stael and her friends and family. Mathieu de Montmorency was a beloved friend of hers. Thanks.

Dgarratt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dgarratt (talk • contribs) 21:42, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

This appears to be a valid concern. The image in question is File:Mathieu de Montmorency - Young.jpg. This is identified as "Portrait of Mathieu de Montmorency (1767-1826)" by an unknown painter, and sourced to the dead link http://www.histoire-empire.org/persos/madame_de_stael.htm.
I found the original painting in "The Chateau of Coppet: Portrait Salon" http://www.swisscastles.ch/Vaud/Coppet/covisiteguidee6_e.html#cinq described as Madame de Staël`s child "Auguste de Staël ( 1790 – 1827) represented in front of the Castle of Coppet by François Gérard"
The official website of Coppet Castle describes the portraits in the portrait salon https://www.chateaudecoppet.com/le-salon-des-portraits . It mentions a portrait of Auguste de Stael (Auguste, oldest son of Madame Stael, portrait by Gerard [translated from French]). It also mentions a bust of her second husband, John Rocca, but makes no mention of a portrait of Mathieu de Montmorency.
I will remove the image from the article. Meters (talk) 05:36, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
I've raised the issue of renaming and correcting the file description on Commons. Meters (talk) 06:11, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
@Dgarratt:Thanks for bringing this up. The image has been renamed to File:Portrait of Auguste de Staël (1790–1827) by François Gérard.jpg and the file description corrected by user:Deadstar, a File mover on Commons. Meters (talk) 05:56, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

sand box visible

gm\how long will it take to edit an article i have opened an ac 02 days ago still sand box is not visible — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siyanco (talk • contribs) 05:33, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Your sandbox is visible at User:Siyanco/sandbox but it currently contains nothing but an empty infobox. How long it will take you to edit it is up to you. You will find advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:09, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

i Wanted to know what Im doing wrong

Information icon Please do not add or change content, as you did at The Punisher (2004 video game), without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Chris Troutman (talk) 12:07, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Ambox warning pn.svg Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did on Zyon Cavalera. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Chris Troutman (talk) 12:08, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I got the above message, and I really wanted to know what went wrong. Please help me.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Macy Willams (talk • contribs) 07:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Macy Williams. You made this edit to The Punisher (2004 video game), which was then subsequebtly reverted by an editor named Chris troutman. Basically, it looks like you were trying to add some of your own personal insights/opinions/interpretations about the game to the article. This type of content might be fine for social media or your own personal website, but it's not really appropriate for a Wikipedia article per Wikipedia:Original research. The content you find in a Wikipedia article is really only intended to reflect what's being said about the subject of the article in reliable sources which are secondary and independent of the subject. These sources are then added to the article in the form of citations for verification purposes. None of the content you added was supported by citations to any sources, which means there's pretty much no way to verify the accuracy of any of it. Perhaps what you added is true based upon your own personal experience, but Wikipedia requires something more than simply be true or being based upon your own experience. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:07, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
The message was because you added nearly two thousand bytes of new text without including any references, but what is more significant is that the text was a copyright violation from https://www.techtimes.com/articles/141392/20160317/the-punishers-best-video-game-is-every-bit-as-brutal-today-as-it-was-a-decade-ago.htm, hence your action was illegal. What you add to Wikipedia must be in your own words, but backed up by references to published reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:59, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I Want to upload

I want to upload an image in wikipedia. How can I upload an image? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Subhayan Mukherjee Tito (talk • contribs) 07:50, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Subhayan Mukherjee Tito. You can find out some general information about images at Wikipedia:Image use policy, but it's hard to be more specific than that without know more details. What kind of image do you want to upload and which Wikipedia page do you want to use it on? -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:10, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Assuming it's an image you made yourself, start here: Upload wizard. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:46, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Deleting comment in the help desk

How do I permanently delete a question I asked at the help desk? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choco76 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Choco76 I see no other edits from your account; did you abandon a prior account? It would be easier to help you if we knew the question involved. Regarding your question, if someone replied to it, I don't believe that is generally done. If no one has replied to it, you can just remove the text. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
However, just removing the text would still leave the question in the edit history. It could be revision-deleted if there was cause to based in Wikipedia policy(does it contain personal information?) 331dot (talk) 11:22, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

How do I do a revision-delete? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choco76 (talk • contribs) 11:26, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Choco76 You can't, only an administrator like me can. If this is about something needed to be kept private, you may email me privately and I can look into it(go to my user page and click "email this user" on the left of the screen). 331dot (talk) 11:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Literally in tears - there are two of us looking to see the email this user and neither of us can see it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choco76 (talk • contribs) 11:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Are you using a computer or a phone? Using a computer, if you go to User:331dot there will be a link a little ways down under the Wikipedia logo that says "email this user"(under tools). I'm not sure where it is (or if it is even there) on the mobile version of Wikipedia, but you can switch it to the desktop version. 331dot (talk) 11:39, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
I'll try putting this direct link that should work: Special:EmailUser/331dot 331dot (talk) 11:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

it won't let me because I didn't use my email address and this is so hard. it is such a hard format. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choco76 (talk • contribs) 11:46, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

You can add your email address to your Preferences and also not check the "allow other users to email me" box if you don't want others to email you. After this issue is addressed, you can remove it again if you wish, although no other Wikipedia user will be aware of your email address. 331dot (talk) 11:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
You can also create a throwaway email address to use only for Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 11:52, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much - sorry, I'm having a mild panic attack - I have emailed you, I don't know how to sign this off with the waves or something... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choco76 (talk • contribs) 11:58, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Declined because article reads like an advertisement

extended content

r. Alexander Harris,https://www.lagrange.edu/news/atlagrange/at-lagrange-20181019.html (born September 9, 1990), known professionally as Alex Harris, is an American singer, songwriter, record producer, actor, philanthropist and educator. Prior to his signing with Cross the Line Records/Orchard/Sony Music (first release will be April 2019) for the single, "Make it Better," with a simultaneous UK release for the single "Rollin". Harris was the lead vocalist for the band A-7, https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/a7music which was comprised of his brothers and cousin. Their 1st single, "Don't Walk Away," https://www.shazam.com/track/159513156/dont-walk-away became a top 20 record on the gospel charts/radio.http://charts.bdsradio.com/bdsradiocharts/charts.aspx?formatid=39 He then began his solo career, that began with 3 #1 singles on the American Blues Network,http://www.americanbluesnetwork.com/ "Hope for Us," "Chocolate Tears," and "Love Line." His first R&B/Soul single "Wordless" https://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwmusic/article/Soul-Crooner-Alex-Harris-Releases-Music-Video-to-Debut-Powerful-Single-Wordless-20170906 reached top 40 AC radio on his record label "Three Oak Doors Enterprise, LLC. https://www.visitstpeteclearwater.com/video/meet-st-peteclearwater-maker-alex-harris

Alex has not only headlined his own shows, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVPIhTF2tAQ but has graced the stages with entertainers and actors, such as Al Green, Aretha Franklin, Kenny Loggins, The Doobie Brothers, https://www.clearwaterjazz.com/this-yr-lineup.htmlBobby Rush (musician) , Eric Benét, John Legend,Kirk Franklin ,Hezekiah Walker, https://www.jazzinthegardens.com/ The O'Jays ,Lionel Richie ,Betty Wright ,Brandy Norwood , Lamman Rucker ,Leon Robinson and many more. Alex also appeared on the "Classic Holiday" album for MBK/Sony Music, performing "Please Come Home for Christmas", along with Alicia Keys, Brandy Norwood,H.E.R.,Tyrese Gibson, Bridget Kelly, Daisha McBride, Coko,Justine Skye , https://www.allmusic.com/artist/livre-mn0003424982/biography Livre', Elle Varner ,B.Slade and https://www.allmusic.com/artist/anaysha-mn0003123325/biography Anaysha .https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/a-classic-holiday-presented-by-mbk/1040256744 Alex is a cross generational/cultural performer. Numerous appearances on national network and cable television shows. Alex has been selected as the "marquee" artist for the newly created venture with Cross the Line Records/Orchard/Sony Music.


Early life


Alex was born on September 9, 1990, in Manchester, GA. He is one eight children of James Harris (Pastor and retired Principal/Educator ) and Dr. Carolyn J. Harris, EdD.,https://nsuworks.nova.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1183&context=nsudigital_commencement an educator. Alex and his siblings attended parochial school in Manchester, GA. At an early age he performed with his church choir. He began playing the drums at age five. He and his siblings, three brothers and four sisters formed a gospel group and performed, locally and internationally prior to he and his brothers creating the group A-7, that garnered the attention of Bobby Jones Gospel, https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2006-11-10-0611091898-story.html. CBN TV, http://www1.cbn.com/700club/a7-inspirational-urban-soul-music.

Career

Alex got his first major recording deal in 2018, with Cross the Line Records/Orchard/Sony. His musical stage performances includes, President Barack H. Obama's 2nd Presidential Inaugural Red Carpet Ball at Sphinx Club, Washington, DC., https://www.essence.com/celebrity/president-obamas-inauguration-weekend/#206552 (see #38). President George W. Bush's 2nd Inaugural Party at Reagan Memorial, Washington, D.C.Second inauguration of Ronald Reagan, Enda Kenny, Michael Dunkley

Alex was the youngest professor's (part-time) at University of South Florida St. Petersburg in the Arts& Culture Department. Also the youngest Lecturer, Program/Curriculum Developer & Academic Consultant to Academic Dean of School of Theology, Boston University School of Theology, the only African American Male to graduate in his class at Boston University School of Social Work

Philanthropy

Alex Co-founded the Arts Conservatory for Teens, https://www.artstampabay.com/organization/arts-conservatory-for-teens/, https://artsconservatoryforteens.org/, which has 100% high school graduation rate and 90% college acceptance. Arts Conservatory for Teens’ mission is to educate, empower, and enrich the lives of youth and teens in order to foster healthy, productive, and responsible citizens. ACT organization provides the tools for self-improvement, leadership development, and arts and cultural enrichment, especially for underserved and at-risk youth, creating a lasting and measurable impact on high school graduation rates and opportunities for college placement.

Education

Nova Southeastern University, Fischler School of Education, Miami, FL EdD, 2018 https://education.nova.edu/index.html

Harvard Divinity School, Extended Graduate Studies, Adolescent Counseling

Boston University School of Theology, M.T.S.

Boston University School of Social Work, M.S.W.

LaGrange College, B.A., Major: Human Services/Social Work/Sociology; Minor: Psychology

Personal life

Alex married Emily Ghosh, on the lawn of the Mahaffey Theater, on December 30, 2018

I am confused because I don't see how this is an advertisement. Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronaldpa1 (talk • contribs)

For Draft:Alex Harris you must learn how to create references that will appear in the reference section, not as URLs in the text. The entire second paragraph about who he has appeared on stage with should be deleted. Name-dropping does not convey notability. David notMD (talk) 12:03, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
You also need to declare your conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 12:38, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected pages

Why are templates like this one Japanese era names semi-protected after they left some errors?

Errors (in source mode)
  1. "848–851 Kajō" (should be "848–851 Kashō")
  2. "1257–1259 Shōka" (should be "1257–1259 Shōka (era)" since "Shōka" was redirected to the "Seika" page)

RevinCBHatol (talk) 12:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi RevinCBHatol. Many templates are semi-protected as a precaution because they are being used on so many articles. Templates can be tricky to edit so even a well-meaning but incorrect edit to the template syntax can have a huge impact project-wide; moreover, they can be easy targets for vandalism for the same reason. This particular template was protected by an administrator named Primefac with this edit to prevent these types of things. If you believe that there's an error in the template that needs fixing, then just make an edit request at Template talk:Japanese era names and someone will respond. It may take a bit of time, so you need to be a little patient. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:45, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Broken Script?

Has anyone else noticed that the redirect checker's script is broken?? Who would even take care of fixing that? See this example [[1]]. Goveganplease (talk) 13:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Goveganplease, You can join the discussion on the tool creator's talk page: User talk:Dispenser#Redirect checker is busted --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 14:08, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Link santali wikipedia article to english wikipedia article in wikidata

want to link this santali wikipedia article to English wikipedia, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocky 734 (talk • contribs) 16:38, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Rocky 734: Which one do you want to link? And to which one? --CiaPan (talk) 16:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi@CiaPan: i want to link this santali wikipedia article to English wikipedia, i have written a santali article in santali wikipedia on ᱴᱩᱭᱤᱴᱚᱨ, which i translated it from english wikipedia twitter. I was unable due to semi protection, how can i link it ? --Rocky 734 (talk) 16:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
@Rocky 734: Open the article on this Wikipedia and select "Wikidata item" on the left side. It will open the corresponding page at Wikidata (in this case Q918) where you can add the translated page to the "Wikipedia" column by selecting "edit" and then inputing the language code and the article name. Regards SoWhy 17:22, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
@Rocky 734: Done. --CiaPan (talk) 14:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Any users here willing to take a stab at this piece? I am employed by BoatUS and looking for an un-biased re-phrase

Content deleted as clear copyright violation from https://www.boatus.com/history/


— Preceding unsigned comment added by Boat Wiki (talk • contribs) 14:21, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

This isn't the place for a draft so I have collapsed its display. The draft is of no use to Wikipedia, because it includes no references to published reliable sources independent of the subject. Read the advice at WP:Your first article, but also the advice regarding conflict of interest and the mandatory requirements regarding paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:29, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
@Boat Wiki: More importantly, your 'piece' was an unadulterated copyright violation, lifted from https://www.boatus.com/history/, so I have deleted it. Nor should you have added it to the BoatUS article in the first place. Please read these three key policies which you MUST adhere to and follow any instructions therein: WP:COPYVIO, WP:COI and WP:PAID. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism?

I was just reading the link on the main page to the Special Counsel Investigation and was shocked to read the very derogatory comment within the text of the fourth paragraph about President Obama. That was quite shocking to see in an article. Do people who write that type of stuff get banned from editing. WOW!LorriBrown (talk) 04:51, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Dear LorriBrown, it has since been removed, but thank you for bringing it up. The fact that such a repulsive comment was allowed to stand for four minutes is even worse than the edit itself. If more editors can keep an eye out for Special Counsel investigation (2017–2019) in the future, you would all be doing us a huge favor Zingarese talk · contribs 04:57, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
talk Thank you for your reply! I was truly shocked to read that. Does Wikipedia protect articles when they are subject to vandalism? Four minutes is a long time when you think of how many people may have read it.LorriBrown (talk) 05:14, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, LorriBrown. I am in complete agreement with you that the edit was reprehensible, and as an adminstrator, I have blocked the IP account that made that completely unacceptable edit. We do not protect an article as the result of a single disruptive edit. Instead, we block the disruptive editor, so that other productive editors can continue improving the article. On the other hand, if there is an ongoing pattern of disruptive editing from several IP addresses and/or several new accounts, it is appropriate to protect the article for a while. When you see vandalism, revert it and warn the vandal. The best place to report ongoing vandalism is the Adminstrator's noticeboard for vandalism, and the shortcut is WP:AIV. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:00, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Cullen328 Thank you for that explanation! It makes perfect sense.LorriBrown (talk) 15:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

References

How come this article can get by with only one reference, but none of my drafts can? (Draft:Jimei Bridge, Draft:Xiamen Bridge. ) Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 11:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

There are a couple more references there now. Since all articles are judged on their own merits, and since Wikipedia as a whole is a work in progress, the existence of problems with other articles doesn't mean that problems with an article shouldn't be fixed. That's a bit like saying, "Other people drive above the speed limit, so it must be okay for me to do it too." Yunshui 雲水 11:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Oh, okay. You're right, I suppose. By the way, I love how your name means "clouds and water" in Chinese; do you speak Mandarin? Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 11:16, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Jimei Bridge is an article, so why is there also still a draft? Appears the draft was declined, and W made it an article anyway. David notMD (talk) 11:54, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@David notMD: Not really; see the Jimei draft, I left a comment. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 15:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Translating articles

I'm a new user and I'm interested in translating some articles from Spanish into English since they don't have an entry in English. What's the easiest way to do it? Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parandai82 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

See WP:TRANSLATION, and remember: oftentimes a direct translation isn't as simple as it seems. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 15:16, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Notability of an article about Ancient Warfare 3, a battle simulator on Steam

Hi, I'm very new to Wikipedia, and I have read the Your First Article page and the criteria that determines whether a topic is notable. I have also written up a short article about Ancient Warfare 3 on my sandbox, and it does have three sources that all discuss the game in depth. Could you let me know if it is notable enough to make an article about? --LiamUJ (talk) 15:32, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@LiamUJ: at this time I don't think that this game is notable enough for inclusion. Please review the notability guidelines for commercial products, as well as the essays on notability for software and computer games. Because it is a commercial site, steampowered.com is not considered a reliable source. Also, the game is currently in "early access," which means that it is not a finished product. Generally, games in development are not deemed notable. (For example, it is widely understood that Madden NFL 20 will be released in five months, but it does not have its own article at this time.) Thank you, caknuck ° needs to be running more often 16:04, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Hello, LiamUJ and welcome to the Teahouse. It's appreciated that you took the trouble to ask - thank you. Sadly, based on the references you've included, my view is that it would not pass through at Articles for Creation on the grounds of 'notability'. Software games are 'products' and have to reach a set criteria before being OK to add to the encyclopaedia - otherwise every single book, software, toy, child safety seat, food product or in fact anything under the sun that just a couple of review websites had commented upon would be eligible for a page here - and that would end up turning this encyclopaedia into a shop window for Amazon or its equivalent. (Not that that doesn't stop people trying, either!). Perhaps you would care to read Wikipedia:Notability (software) to get a sense of what type of product, and what type of "yes, the world has taken notice of this product" you would need to be able to demonstrate. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I hope it won't stop you participating in building this amazing encyclopaedia by contributing other ways to game-related articles. The reality is that creating a new article from scratch is the very hardest thing anyone can achieve here - and for a beginner it's doubly difficult. You might find things that you could get stuck into over at either Wikipedia:WikiProject Software or Wikipedia:WikiProject Games. Hope this helps a bit, and well done for getting all 15 badges over at WP:TWA. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:06, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, thank you anyways for taking a look at it! Both of you make very reasonable statements. Sorry I didn't check out Notability (Software), but I will certainly do that now!-- LiamUJ (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

The Real Man - Death of the Man from Snowy River

Just wondering if people knew the REAL MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER and what happened to him - Thank you for your time Rebecca Holmes

DEATH OF THE MAN FROM SNOWY RIVER -( Jack Riley ) McIvor Times, Thursday 23 July 1914.

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Thursday, 16th inst.— John Riley, an old mountain identity, said to be the original of Patterson's "The Man from Snowy River," died on the way from Groggin last night. He was carried on a stretcher most of the distance, and died on the road from heart failure. Groggin is 50 miles up the Murray from Corryong. Although the pace was lacking, Riley's last journey over the rough mountain tracks must have recalled to his mates the lines he inspired:— Through the stringy-bark and saplings on the rough unbroken ground, Down the hillside at a racing pace he went; And he never drew his bridle till he landed safe and sound, at the bottom of that perilous descent.

Anyone with experience of the Kosciusko country will realise the difficulties that faced the five bushmen on Tuesday morning when they set out from Groggin to bring a helpless and half-unconscious mate to the Corryong Hospital. For those who are unacquainted with this part of the State it may be mentioned that Groggin is a cattle station in the heart of the mountains, about 50 miles up the Murray from Corryong. It lies tight at the foot of Kosciusko, and is only accessible by pack tracks. The route in general use crosses into New South Wales. The other track keeps to the Victorian side all the way, but in traversing the precipitous Indi Gorge some very rough country is met with, and the grade in places is very dangerous. Gradually all the mountain roads converge into Groggin, and it is the only point from which the ascent of Kosciusko can be made from the Murray valley.

For nearly 30 years John Riley has lived at Groggin, and for that time has been in charge of Mr. J. Pierce's cattle station, which comprises most of the good land there. Familiar with every inch of the river country, he has given all assistance to numbers of tourists passing through, and was better known than probably any other man on the mountains. A fearless and dashing horseman in his young days, a first-class hand among stock, and an Irishman, open-hearted and generous, he was liked and respected by all who knew him. In bushcraft, even among the experts of the Murray, Gippsland, and Monaro, he stood alone, and it is said that some of his exploits formed the basis of Patterson's well-known verses on "The Man from Snowy River."

Gifted with the bushman's unerring sense of locality, he had a supreme contempt for the compass, and delighted to relate his experience with a party of city tourists which visited Groggin some years ago. The weather was treacherous, and Riley offered to guide the party to the top. They told him that there was no necessity for him to come, as they had a good compass. Foggy weather set in, and two days afterwards a party of bedraggled pedestrians returned to Groggin, with the one desire—to get back to civilisation. Riley said never a word. He gave them food and a drink of tea, and catching his horse, led them over the Divide, and put them on the Geehi track for home.

Advancing years and the rough life had been telling on Riley lately, but he refused to leave his mountains except for a brief visit to civilisation now and again. Word reached Corryong on Saturday that his condition was serious and some of his friends decided to bring him to Corryong to the hospital. With this object Mr W. H. Findlay, a well-known Kosciusko guide, went up to Groggin on Sunday last. Rain fell all day Monday, but a stretcher was improvised, and arrangements made for the departure next morning. Messrs A. and J. McInnes, F. Jarvis, and R. Butler assisting. About half-past 9 o'clock on Tuesday the party left the Groggin hut, carrying Riley on a stretcher, the men taking turn at the handles, and leading pack horses with provisions and blankets. The first four or five miles from the valley was covered without much trouble, but when it became necessary to climb out of the gorge over the shoulder of the Hermit Hill the real difficulties began.

The track ascends through wild scrub and rocks over 2,000 feet, and the party soon found that the task was beyond them. To make matters worse snow began to fall, and the cold became intense. In all difficulties the bushman turns to his horse, and a mounted pony provided the solution. Riley was lifted into the saddle, and Butler the lightest of the party mounted behind him. Butler held the reins and supported the half-unconscious man. Two of the others walked alongside, holding him in place, and the long ascent was successfully made. Snow was thick on the ground as they came over the top of the spur, and more was falling, but the party pushed on and ascended into the Hermit's Creek late in the after-noon. The stretcher had then to be brought into use again, and just at dark the party reached Surveyor's Creek Junction, where a deserted mining hut provided shelter for the night. Mr Jarvis went up the creek to the tin mine, and arranged for assistance in the morning, and the others made a fire and installed the patient as comfortable as possible in front of it. He seemed to rally a little, and spoke to his friends, but, the weakness reasserted itself, and shortly afterwards he suddenly swayed, and died. Out among the great trees with the rain falling gently on the roof of the hut, the old man breathed his last. The body was carried eight miles into Bonroy, in a little over four hours. Four miles further on Messrs R. Findlay and E. Pendergast met them with a buggy, and just before midnight on Wednesday the last stage of the journey was reached. An inquiry was held to-day, and the deputy coroner returned a verdict of death from heart failure. This afternoon the body of the old bushman was interred in the Corryong Cemetery, in the presence of his mates and a few friends.—"Argus."

Jack Riley 1841-1914 Born 1841 Castlebar, County Mayo, Ireland, the son of Daniel Riley and Nancy Murray. He migrated to Australia at 13 years of age arriving in Sydney, New South Wales, on 15 March 1854, aboard the ship, 'Rodney'. The young man travelled to Omeo in the Victorian high country to live with his sister, Mary Anne, Mrs Joseph Jones, and her family. After her first husband died, Mary Anne married a Mr McGown and moved to the busy gold mining area at Cassilis, near Omeo. Jack, for a time, worked as a tailor in a shop directly opposite the Golden Age Hotel in Omeo and then worked as a stockman at Monaro where he acquired a reputation for his horse handling. In 1884 Jack Riley obtained work as a stockman for John Pierce Sr., who owned land at Tooma and Greg Greg. At that time, the Pierce family owned many thousands of acres of land in the Upper Murray and owned and held leases on 20,000 acres of land at Tom Groggin, west of the main range of the Snowy Mountains. John Pierce gave Jack Riley a management role, supervising his cattle in the high country over the summer months and then the job of mustering the animals down from the mountains to the home paddocks before winter. Jack lived in isolation in a hut high up in the hills at Tom Groggin for over 30 years. He loved the Snowy Mountain Country, a good yarn and enjoyed a social drink or two. He was also a good mate of the late Walter Mitchell of Towong Station, who introduced Jack Riley to Banjo Paterson when the pair was on a camping trip. In 1890 Banjo Paterson, the poet, stayed a night at Jack Riley`s hut and Riley told the tale of one of his exploits about chasing a herd of wild horses, and from this Banjo Paterson wrote his poem "The Man From Snowy River" – he died 15 July 1914 and buried Corryong Cemetery. In 1956 a rough granite head stone was erected by Tom Mitchell in memory of him.

Photo: Jack Riley Headstone, Corryong Cemetery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RebHolmes (talk • contribs) 13:47, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, RebHolmes welcome to the Teahouse. I think it very unlikely anyone here can shed light on this for you, as our forum is only here to help editors having problems with the processes of editing Wikipedia, rather than researching content. (Though we do have a RefDesk who like getting stuck into answering unusual questions.) Using a search engine, the text you posted only returns a recent Victoria Pioneers Facebook post, and nothing else. These sorts of off-Wiki discussion groups are probably the most likely to yield information, as might also approaching local newspapers or archive offices in the region concerned. Sorry we can't help more. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:39, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
@RebHolmes: I would suggest taking a look at the article The Man from Snowy River (poem). At the bottom, you will find several sources that discuss the origins of the poem. I hope this helps. Cheers, caknuck ° needs to be running more often 16:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

I need to report an admin, but the FAQ is confusing me

A normally inactive admin is trying protect a documented scam artist? They have erased all mentions of them, purged the history from the pages, locked said pages, and banned people for making properly sourced edits.

What do I do? I don't know where to report them and I'm concerned that they'll intercept the report and just ban me like the others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caffeination (talk • contribs) 16:25, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Caffeination: Welcome. You haven't given us very much to go on. But that sounds like very unusual behaviour, if that person has already been deemed 'notable' as a result of their scamming activities (or for other more legitimate reasons) and already has a page about them here. All content added about a living person must be neutrally written and be supported by reliable references, and editors do get blocked for repeatedly adding content when told not to. If, however, that scam artist has been deemed 'not notable' in Wikipedia's eyes, and a decision was previously made to remove anything written about them, then it would seem quite appropriate to prevent others from trying to resurrect page content or add unsupported statements about that 'documented scammer'. Should the former be the case, the first thing I would do is go to that editor's talk page and politely ask if they would explain their actions to you. Name the article or the person, offering 'diffs' to highlight any editing actions you would like an explanation for, or reliable references if you believe you have sources that are signifcant that relates to an existing article. A discussion should then follow between you. Keep polite - don't level accusations; stick to facts. If, after an appropriate period of discussion, you feel your concerns haven't been answered satisfactorily per our guidance and policies, you do have the right to raise your concerns about another editor's failure to follow policy, and you could do that at WP:ANI. (Your own editing actions would be looked into, too, of course). But the first route of action is simply to seek an explanation from the other editor - whether or not they are an administrator here. No-one is going to block you for simply questioning another editor's actions. Does that sound sensible? Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Nick Moyes:. The person has not been deemed notable on their own, what has happened is that they have been removed from every page they were mentioned on. They had taken wikipedia-worthy actions pertaining to notable people, and these actions were all sourced. People have already confronted the admin in question in some cases and nothing was resolved.
I normally only use wikipedia to update anime voice actor roles, this is completely uncharted territory for me. I literally have no idea what I'm doing or how to format anything. But I do have proof I can send to whoever needs it that inappropriate edits have taken place and have been covered up.--Caffeination (talk) 17:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
@Caffeination: I can only repeat my advice. Approach the editor/admin, and then if not satisfied, simply raise your concerns at WP:ANI. Loose allegations of bad faith editing are of no use; a few good examples of what concerns you will be needed. Nobody will block you for raising concerns if you can demonstrate them. But it is common for new editors to misunderstand the reasonable actions of others; simply asking is no crime. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
@Caffeination: If this is regarding your edit at Benjanun Sriduangkaew, please note that wordpress.com is not considered a reliable source. The page you cited is not appropriate for use as a source in the article at all, as it makes several contentious claims which would be in violation of our policy regarding the biographies of living people. After redacting the edit, the administrator in question left you a note on your talk page explaining their action. Thank you, caknuck ° needs to be running more often 16:26, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

What do I need to do regarding the formatting so tis article is acceptable?

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Killick_Martin_%26_Company

I understand on updating the pictures and on removing the links in the fleet list, but I can't work out what else is the problem with the format? Please advise! Thanks

--David Almond 1968 (talk) 15:57, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Again, see Help:Referencing for beginners. https are not allowed in the body of the article. Existing Wikipedia articles cannot be used as references. Instead, they are Wikilinked by enclosing in double brackets [[ ]] David notMD (talk) 16:26, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Submitted article status inquiry

How can I find out if my revised and resubmitted article (previously submitted and rejected) is being reevaluated? Or remaining approximate time. It has been nearly six weeks without any news. Newbee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeCanardQuoi (talk • contribs) 18:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

You resubmitted the draft less than 3 weeks ago. The brown box on the draft says: "Review waiting, please be patient. This may take more than two months, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2607 pending submissions waiting for review." --David Biddulph (talk) 18:07, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Syed abdul rahim

I am his grandson , in this article no information is written on his family .i wanted to add that he was survived by 6 children .there is no article in the references which highlights his family details , i have gone through all of them ....please advise how this information can be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faisal320 (talk • contribs) 19:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Please read the answers which you have received at WP:HD#syed abdul rahim and on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:53, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Editing a bio

Hello Wikipedia Teahouse,

I have tried to edit a bio of Joel Ario's that is inaccurate as it stands. Everytime, I make the changes, I see them, but a week later they are back to the old inaccurate bio without my edits. Do you know why that is? What am I doing wrong? Thank you for your help.

-Sue Fong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:202:6076:44:FA1D:8659:81CF (talk) 20:44, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

You added too much promotion and inappropriate external links, and did not have enough citations WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:58, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
At Joel Ario, anything about Manatt or Levitt is promotional. David notMD (talk) 22:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

user id.

Greetings, Set up user i.d. as Billmf1 with the intent that this was my login i.d. but it is showing up publicly as I have begun attempting to learn how to set up a page or portal page. How can I delete this page or if neccessary just delete the user id. or account if it has to come to that. W.P. W. P. McFeely — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billmf1 (talk • contribs) 13:39, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Billmf1: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your "user ID" is the name of your account; your password is what is kept private. If you want a different account name, you may request a change by visiting either Special:GlobalRenameRequest(if you provided an email) or WP:CHUS(if you didn't). 331dot (talk) 13:42, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Other option is to change your password, so no longer is same as User ID. David notMD (talk) 22:05, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Technical question on "Helio radial velocity" in boxes about galaxies.

Hi, I'm a very occasional tweaker of pages so I'm not familiar with the right area to ask this technical question, can I get some guidance please. There is a parameter commonly used in boxes about galaxies called "Helio radial velocity" which I think is based on the recession speed that would produce the observed redshift by Doppler and as such must be less than the speed of light. However, that doesn't relate to the rate of increase of distance to the galaxy which can exceed the speed of light due to the expansion of the universe hence the standard entry can be misleading for anyone not already knowledgeable in cosmology. Is there a Wikipedia source where I could find a policy on how the recession speed should be represented or is there a more suitable forum where I could ask this question? I'm not really expecting a technical answer here but just a pointer on where to take it. Thanks George Dishman (talk) 21:36, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@GeorgeDishman: You could try asking at the talk page of the Astronomy project: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Astronomy. Or, if you look at the talk page of the article you're working on, it will probably have a box at the top that says which project the article is part of. RudolfRed (talk) 22:14, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks @RudolfRed:, exactly the sort of advice I needed, I'll check those out. George Dishman (talk) 23:07, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
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