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How do edit an existing article with an error? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ik hajji (talk • contribs) 23:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ik hajji and welcome to the Teahouse. Please could you be more specific and tell us which article you are referring to? Thanks,  Philg88 ^♦talk 09:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Why can't this page get published.

Hello, I am wondering what type of sources is needed to get a page published on the website. the name is IPC Systems Inc. can you tell me what sources can work to get it published. I have been trying to get this published over a year and it still will not be published. DS132 (talk) 15:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello DS132, and thanks for your question. Please read the Wikipedia guidelines on reliable sources to see what sort of references you will need. You can always create a draft of your article in your sandox, and, providing that it is not blatant advertising or promotion or otherwise breaks Wikipedia guidelines, no one will delete it. You can then ask someone to take a look at it before you submit it to articles for creation. Good luck,  Philg88 ^♦talk 16:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

You are talking about the article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/IPC Systems. The problem is the references. To establish that the company is "notable", that is already well known, you need sources that are not only independent of the company but are independent of the company's press releases. The WatersTechnology piece seems to be independent, but is very short. Are there other industry publications that would have analyzed IPC systems and its products? StarryGrandma (talk) 19:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

using Wiki programming language in the edit window

I'm sure I could do better on the Wiki if only I could get someone to explain the programming language viz: rowspan, border, margin, padding, style, cellspacing, cellpadding etc. I learned once how to use Pascal but that was some time ago. Someone please help, then I might be better equipped to make some more edits.  Jodosma  (talk) 20:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Jodosma, this is called mark up or wiki-markup - in this case most of it is borrowed from (or is) HTML.

• rowspan for example is used in a table to go across multiple rows (colspan is the same for columns)>

Full details for making tables can be found at Help:Table.

Hope that helps, All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

Most editors just ignore all this rowspan etc nonsense, and when we want a table, we use the existing one, or we copy a similar one from somewhere else, or we ask someone like Rich Fambrough to make one for us. After all, we're not planning to make fancy tables in our own style, we only want encyclopedic-style tables the same as what other similar articles have. Most of us, anyway. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:05, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 03:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC).

User Page

My friend's page that I helped him with editing his user page has a text called "Mark this page as patrolled". What does it mean and is it bad? Thanks! romtam^talk 14:21, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

See the answer below. Short answer: it's nothing bad and you don't need to worry about it. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 14:30, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

@LukeSurl:, thank you. I just found out that autoconfirmedusers(4 days old and 10+ edits) can mark pages created by others as patrolled. Have a nice day! romtam^talk 14:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

When this question gets archived, chances are the answer will be above, not below, but ... no, the link won't work. It'll have to be reformatted after archiving.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the answer was neither above nor below. It's on a whole different page.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 14:23, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Disputing a long unedited article.

Hi! So I am interested in working on changing the language for an article titled Spanish Golden Age. In regard to art historical research and practice it reveals a certain mindset about imperialism that was popular with scholars about a generation ago. Granted these scholars are still working but there has been a shift away from politically charged terms such as Golden Age. The article itself seems to have difficulty with the term, it refers to the a previous "Golden Age" in Spain disambiguated as Al-Andalus. It would be better to refer to this topic as Baroque Spain or Early Modern Spain. The talk page lists 2008 as the last edit. I hesitate to make the edit because it would change the title of the article. Any advice on how I can prepare to make such major change? Thanks. Hafabe (talk) 01:12, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Greetings! The move and edits you describe sound major, but not all that controversial. I would just be bold and make the move and edits, and if someone takes issue there is no edit that cannot be undone. VQuakr (talk) 04:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the response VQuakr. I'll try it out and see what comes up. Hafabe (talk) 01:22, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

A little comment here, we decide article names by what is the most common name. If there are scholarly reasons to use a "better name" in the article, that can be done, with a suitable explanation. The reference to Al-Andalus was added in 2007 by a problem editor - see WP:Jagged 85 cleanup for details. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 03:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC).

Speedy deletion

I have tried to make articles but they have been contested for Speedy deletion. And it deletes the page. So i have seen articles that i dont know why have been made. How do you make a speedy deletion. Just what is the process of how to do it. Tylkrby767 (talk) 02:26, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tylkrby767. It's nice to see you back at the Teahouse. Are you planning to find articles to delete because your articles were deleted? You should get more experience with writing on Wikipedia and understanding what encyclopedia articles should be like. StarryGrandma (talk) 03:43, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

If other experienced editors perceive that your attempts to delete articles are based on an emotional reaction to your own articles being deleted, the result may be unpleasant, Tylkrby. I advise caution for your own good. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:59, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

User:StarryGrandma and User:Cullen328 are correct, but User:Tylkrby may actually be referring to the idea that other stuff exists, and the standard reply on these help pages is something like "we just haven't gotten to those yet".— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:12, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Excellent point, Vchimpanzee. Good faith editors who search out articles that truly don't belong on this encyclopedia and take steps to delete them are doing an excellent service for this project. I have supported deletion of hundreds of bad articles, and supported keeping hundreds of otherwise weak articles about notable topics. But sometimes, an editor who wrote a non-compliant article on a non-notable topic that got deleted will go on a personal campaign to delete articles about similar "borderline notable" topics just to make some sort of a point, and then say, "I told you so! I was wronged!". What such editors don't often realize is that a quick review of their edit history reveals their motive quite clearly. It is my hope that this is not the motivation of Tylkrby. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Heeeeelp!

Some body please there => File:BTG plc.svg add the proper "licensing information" before one of the resident taliban deletes the file. Thanks. OAlexander (talk) 09:42, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

@OAlexander: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'll take a look.  Philg88 ^♦talk 09:46, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much, mate! Cheers, OAlexander (talk) 10:16, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

@OAlexander: I don't think that there is a problem with that image - it has the relevant non-free use rationale and two templates stating its trademark and copyright status. Further it is only used on a single page to identify the topic of an article, both of which are within the rules. As a result I've removed the {{wrong licence}} tag.  Philg88 ^♦talk 10:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

@Philg88:: Thanks a lot! Had an about identical case a couple of weeks ago and the pic ended up being deleted and I had to write a lot for it to become re-instated. The structure of WP benefits talibanisation, as people think they gain kudos is by playing strict enforcer. Humanity carks it more and more in this joint. Anyway, thanks once more for playing exception to the rule. Cheers, OAlexander (talk) 10:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Why My brothers page is deleted "Kaali Venkat"...???

I have attached with references and that not a fake page. I want to retain that page Kaali VenkatAvskishore (talk) 05:05, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I see that, after posting this, you found Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion#Kali Venkat which is where you need to present your case, not here. Arjayay (talk) 11:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Deleted Wiki page still shows up

Hi,

I created a wiki page which was nominated for speedy deletion (website, no referencing, not notable) and has been removed by admin. The problem is that the page still shows up on Google search and other search engine. Is this permanent? I mean deleted page can create confusions in the minds of customers who search for website (Wikipedia page) and see a warning instead of content. Cheers :)SR Ampak 110 (talk) 10:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)SR Ampak 110.

No, it's not permanent - but it's not something we have any control over, either. Google will continue to show the deleted page until its crawlers pick up the deletion, which can take up to a week. Once that happens, it will vanish from the search results. Yunshui ^雲_水 10:44, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Yunshui. Hope crawlers pick up this deletion soon :) SR Ampak 110 (talk) 10:55, 24 April 2014 (UTC) SR Ampak 110

This applies to the wikipedia.org version of the article. If an external website has copied it to their own domain before it was deleted then it may remain there, but would probably be much lower in Google search results. In your case the article was only live for three hours so it probably wasn't copied. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:19, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Could I get someone's feedback?

I'm having a dispute with an editor regarding the David Camm article. They are saying that it violates BLP, but for some reason are unable or unwilling to expound on how or why. I don't see anything wrong with it and cannot fix it if I don't know what the problem is. Bali88 (talk) 20:52, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey Bali88 to Teahouse! Seems like you've made the correct decision to open up a discussion on the talk page which is being bold. From the interactions between you and the other editor seems calm however seems heated at some points. For the content on the article, just make sure it is backed by some reliable sources and is neutral & encyclopedic. I would suggest dispute resolution if you want a more open opinion with other helpful member trying to solve this dispute. ///EuroCarGT 21:00, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Would you be able to help me figure out how to do that? I looked at the page, but it's not super clear how to do it. Do I add myself to the graph thingy there? edit: n/m: figured it out Bali88 (talk) 21:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

At the end of the day, this man was acquitted of murder. Although the lead says that in the first sentence, there is some wording later on that I interpret as "waffling" or implying that perhaps he is really guilty. This is inappropriate under WP:BLP. We simply can't hint at guilt of an acquitted person. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

What wording are you talking about specifically? That certainly wasn't my intention. I was trying to be neutral in this and trying not to let my feelings about the case (that he is innocent and was wrongfully convicted) affect my editing. It's possible that in my attempt to make this neutral, I went too far the other way.Bali88 (talk) 19:21, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

How to deal with this? Ask the person complaining about your edits how they would write the section concerned. Then ask yourself if that would really be a very bad way of writing it. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

The wording that jumps right out at me is "Blood stain patterns on Camm's clothing were interpreted as evidence of his guilt, and he was convicted of the murders." in the lead, and it is quite a few sentences later that it is finally mentioned that highly qualified experts disputed that evidence. Instead, we learn in the next sentence about marital infidelity. Why does that belong in the lead of an article about a man acquitted of murder? I don't have any idea myself who did the killing. But WP:BLP imposes a major burden on us to be scrupulously fair to people acquitted of criminal charges, Bali88. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:05, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Wow, I wasn't expecting that to be the part you were talking about. That was the part that the other author put in and I hate it. I think it's poor wording and doesn't belong in the lead. I thought it read better before he changed it. Look at the last edit that I made and tell me what you think. I thought the article was solid before he made any changes and proclaimed that I don't know what I'm doing. Btw, would you mind chiming in on the talk page about this?Bali88 (talk) 13:05, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Avoiding an edit war / alerting Wikipedia to a problem?

Hey there! A company (RadiumOne) seems to keep hiring shills to edit their page: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/RadiumOne - which I've been keeping somewhat protected - but my actions are starting to look like an edit war with someone I suspect to be a shill - so I'd like some advice on what to do next. Snebsnake (talk) 11:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi there Snebsnake and welcome to the Teahouse. Edit wars are bad news for all involved and cause them unnecessary stress. In this case, you are still within the bounds of the three revert rule and are doing the right thing in seeking advice. The first thing to do is to stop reverting and discuss the issue on the article's talk page, laying out the reasons for your concerns based on Wikipedia guidelines for non-promotion of companies and sourcing. As the page is now the subject of a deletion discussion, you may wish to hang fire on using the talk page and and instead comment on that.  Philg88 ^♦talk 13:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

[Update] @Snebsnake: It looks like your problem may have gone away as the article has now been completely revised by an experienced editor.  Philg88 ^♦talk 14:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Replacing a Redirect page with a Disambiguation page?

Greetings, wise inhabitants of the Teahouse. I am confused again, and I hope you can point me in the right direction. I am updating the page for Macquarie_University_Sport_and_Aquatic_Centre. This is commonly known by its initials "MUSAC", and I would like to ensure that somebody looking for those initials can navigate to this article.

However, there is already an article MUSAC, which is about the Museo de Arte Contemporáneo de Castilla y León. So I cannot see how I can point readers to the article I am editing without messing up the existing one. I am sure this situation must have come up and been solved many times before, so would somebody please be kind enough to explain the preferred approach, or point me to it? Gronk Oz (talk) 08:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse Gronk Oz! As the Museo de Arte Contemporáneo de Castilla y León would in all likelihood be considered the primary topic for MUSAC, it does not warrant replacement by a two entry disambiguation page. My suggestion is to put a {{for}} or {{distinguish}} hatnote on both articles explaining the two acronymns. Alternatively, you could start a request for comments discussion on one of the associated talk pages explaining what you want to do. Cheers,  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:48, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

 Done - thanks for your help, Philg88.

@Philg88, Gronk Oz: Hey Gronk Oz. I agree with Philg88 that hatnotes are the way to solve this. I would just note that we have a dedicated process where formal discussion of such matters is done when needed (which it does not look like there's any need for here), Wikipedia:Requested moves, and that it would be unusual to set up a request for comment instead.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:34, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that extra clarification, Fuhghettaboutit. I agree that moving is not needed here, because as Philg88 noted the existing page should be the primary topic. Gronk Oz (talk) 13:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit and Gronk Oz: Sorry, link should have been to requested moves not request for comments.  Philg88 ^♦talk 16:05, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

This is not a solution, and it may not have been the right thing to do, but I put both these articles on the Muzak disambiguation page under "See also", rather than just the name "MUSAC" which just complicates the problem since it currently redirects. I was thinking the name "MUSAC" might be pronounced the same as "Muzak". There is also the possibility of expanding the Muzak page to include MUSAC for just that reason.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I disagree with this, although I do not doubt the good faith of your decision, Vchimpanzee. "Muzak" is the trademark of a very distinctive company, and I do not believe that acronyms spelled differently should be associated with that company through a "wide net" disambiguation page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

@Vchimpanzee: Cullen328 is right in my view, there is little likelihood of an establishment acronym getting confused with dreadful elevator music and therefore no need for such wide disambiguation.  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It is easy to call Musak's music "dreadful", Philg88, and if that is what most reliable sources say, so be it. But the sources I've read take a more nuanced stance although I haven't done a more in-depth study. It is not my personal favored style of music, but there is a reason that the company was so successful for so long. Let's be sure that our coverage of the topic is neutral, rather than reflecting our own individual musical preferences, which have no encyclopedic relevance at all. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:50, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

And IMhO it doesn't matter who likes or dislikes the music that company produces. Or at least, it isn't relevant to the point under discussion here. I doubt that somebody looking for those initials would accidentally get to the company - if anything, it could go the other way. That is, somebody looking for the MUZAK company may not know how it is spelled, having only heard it spoken, so they may inadvertently find themselves at the French museum. So if the pointer is needed anywhere, it would be there. --Gronk Oz (talk) 13:49, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Even though it is irrelevant, I want to point out that the company once called Muzak produces many different kinds of music, and the style associated with them, which I like a lot, is one some sources claim they don't distribute any more. I had to set them straight. So far, no one has reverted me on Muzak, though we still need a "Musac" solution.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 14:14, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I apologise if anyone was offended by my earlier comment. Let's now return to proper Teahouse business.  Philg88 ^♦talk 15:20, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Would anyone object to my creating a "Musac" page which includes "Muzak" under "See also"? I would also reverse my action on Muzak since it probably is unlikely anyone would go there.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 17:48, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Lots of content from one source: how to cite?

In the article Flipnote Studio 3D I am editing, there are fairly large sections of text under "Flipnote creation" and "Online services" that are backed up by just one source. Do I add a citation after every single sentence? Every paragraph? The end of the section? -Sforzando (talk) 23:40, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

You can cite at the end of each paragraph. Even this is overkill, but on WP things get moved around, so it's not a bad idea. If you label your citations then you don't need to re do the whole thing.

e.g. <ref name="mvlc"> my very long citation.... </ref> and then when you want to reuse it <ref name="mvlc" /> (note the space-slash " /" at the end).

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:47, 25 April 2014 (UTC).

Special upload

Could you, or do you know anyone that could upload an image of My favorite baseball player Giancarlo Stanton. I have tried to upload pictures but it is not easy could you or someone please file a picture of him for me please he is my favorite baseball player. Tylkrby767 (talk) 00:49, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tylkrby767, if you can find an image which we are allowed to use under copyright law, post a link and someone will try to help you.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:08, 25 April 2014 (UTC).

Rich Farmbrough Thanks!

Adding More Sections To Tee Hee Article

Just to say if anyone wants to add sections on a novel biography or a popular culture section, you're free to do so.

I also have a screenshot prepared, which i will upload if my article is accepted. Wyliecoyote1990 (talk) 21:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Please provide a link to the article in question, Wyliecoyote1990. Can you please also explain why we have separate List of James Bond villains and List of James Bond henchmen. Is that a distinction that is clear in the reliable sources? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Tee_Hee

There's the article that i am working on. Not sure myself why some villains have their own page, or why there are separate lists for villains and henchmen.

Please tell me what you think or you can add more if you like. Wyliecoyote1990 (talk) 10:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Cullen Wyliecoyote1990 (talk) 23:14, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

To me, the most important thing is to show with your references that the character "Tee Hee" has received significant coverage in several reliable sources. A few passing mentions aren't sufficient. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:48, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Worldwide View?

Some articles are tagged with the phrase "The examples and perspective in this article may not represent a worldwide view of the subject". Could anyone provide some tips as to how one could obtain a worldwide view and/or concensus on a topic? What practical steps would be needed? MargRouk (talk) 08:15, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey MargRouk - great question. I assume you're talking about Template:Globalize. As outlined at Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias, an issue that sometimes occurs in articles is that editors tend to edit with a bias just by falling under certain demographics. This can result in articles that don't give a truly global view of certain topics. For example, some parts of our Basketball article tend to focus on US-aspects of the sport while ignoring the rest of the world. Naturally, this is a result of many editors being from the United States. If an article is focused on one country, try to find resources that provide information on the topic in regards to other countries. It certainly helps to have a bit of knowledge of the subject beforehand. The key is to give proper weight for each viewpoint; the amount of focus and coverage a viewpoint should have is determined by their prevalence in reliable sources. For a more specific list of things you can do, check out Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering Systemic Bias#Tasks. Hope this helps, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 08:34, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Actually I didn't know about the Globalize template. Thanks so much for the advice and clarifications, especially the points on proper weight and reliable sources make perfect sense. MargRouk (talk) 09:16, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Can someone help me with the edits to this page?

Can someone help with the sources used and tell me if I should include anything else or remove any sources? I would appreciate any suggestions at this time. I am not able to understand why these sources are not being approved.

entire page copied-and-pasted

IPC Systems, Inc is a provider of trading floor communication systems and network services to financial entities[1] including investment banks, hedge funds and investment managers. [2] The company’s written aim is to deliver “unified solutions that support collaborative voice trading, real-time electronic trading and market data connectivity” [2] via a proprietary managed private IP network [3] to financial market participants, globally. [4] IPC provides and services voice communication systems that facilitate operations within the financial industry. The firm is known for creating and updating trading turrets – specialized, multi-line, multi-speaker communications devices used by traders. Turrets can have access to hundreds of lines and allow traders to monitor multiple connections simultaneously to maintain communication with counterparties, liquidity providers, intermediaries and exchanges.[5] IPC’s communication systems aim to consolidate voice functionality, traditional phone lines, broker lines, intercom, teleconferencing, TV sound and PC sound-into a single unit. [6] Contents [hide] 1 History 2 See Also 3 References 4 History 5 See Also History[edit] Headquartered in Jersey City, New Jersey, IPC employs approximately 1,000 employees throughout the Americas, EMEA and Asia-Pacific regions. [2] IPC was founded as Interconnect Planning Corporation as a consulting company in 1973. This changed when Republic National Bank approached IPC founder Stephen Nichols with a request to improve upon the bank’s trading hardware. [7] Consequently, IPC introduced its Series I turret in 1974. The product cost approximately $75,000 to develop. The Series I used momentary contact buttons to send a signal to the backroom relays to switch calls, rather than relying on rods and levers and switching at the turret itself like other equipment of the day. [7] IPC was the first to use Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) on the trading floor to reduce communication costs and increase productivity.[3] The company introduced the first VoIP-based turret in 2001 and its second generation VoIP based turret, the IQ/MAX, in 2006. [8] Clients of IPC’s VoIP solutions include Barclays, Deutsche Bank, Bank of America [1] and Merrill Lynch. [9] See Also[edit] See also: Trading turret References[edit] ^ Jump up to: a b Morton, Jonathan. "Beyond the Turret: Trading Floor Communications", TabbFORUM, 21 March 2011. Retrieved on 10 June 2013. ^ Jump up to: a b c "IPC Systems Rings The NASDAQ Stock Market Closing Bell", Nasdaq, 31 July 2013. Retrieved on 10 June 2013. ^ Jump up to: a b Fangqing, Wang. "Turret Maker IPC Gains Ground in Asia", Securities Technology Monitor, 26 March 2007. Retrieved on June 2013. Jump up ^ Private Equity Council "IPC Systems Inc.: Private Equity Stewardship Builds World Class Communications Company", PEGCC, 19 July 2011. Retrieved on 10 June 2013. Jump up ^ "Capturing Traders’ Hearts and Minds with Practical, Beautiful, Foolproof Design", Frog Design, Retrieved on 10 June 2013 Jump up ^ Beck, John. "Trading Floor Makeover", 01 July 2009. Retrieved on 10 June 2013 ^ Jump up to: a b "Waters Hall of Fame", Waters Technology, 01 January 2000. Retrieved on 10 June 2013 Jump up ^ "Trading Newsflashes: Silver Lake Partners Acquires IPC Information Systems From GS Partners for $800 Million", Wall Street and Technology, 03 August 2006. Retrieved on 10 June 2013 Jump up ^ Jawoski, Alexa. "Merrill Installs IPC VoIP Trading Turrets", Securities Technology Monitor, 19 November 2007. Retrieved on 10 June 2013 History[edit]

DS132 (talk) 21:58, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi DS132. You can use wikilinks to create a hyperlink to any page on Wikipedia, you don't need to copy-and-paste the entire page's content in order to discuss it elsewhere. For example here I have used the code [[Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/IPC Systems]] to create this link to your draft: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/IPC Systems. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 23:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hi DS132. No one is doubting the truth of what you have written, this is a question of notability.

Wikipedia does not aim to have a page on every business that has every existed (you wouldn't expect to see one about the burger shop down my street), and we do not simply wish to catalogue all information. Unlike our pages on well-known entities such as HSBC, McDonalds or Ford Motors, no general-purpose encylopedia in history has every had a page on "IPC Systems". So, therefore, before a page on "IPC Systems" can exist an Articles for Creation reviewer need to be convinced that the company is "notable" enough to devote a page in the encylopedia to it.

We have specific guidelines for the notability of companies. As a rule of thumb Articles generally require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic. Generally this is to be proved by the references used in the draft, we need to see evidence that major publications consider the company important enough to talk about. This does not include press releases *(which are not independent), and mainstream media carries a lot more weight on the significant coverage criterion than niche industry magazines etc. In this specific instance, the main problem identified by the AfC reviewer is that the references are all from "niche" publications within the industry.

By design of these strict criteria, most companies will not be considered "notable". If that is the case no amount of editing of a draft can change this. Also if you are an employee of this company, please read our conflict-of-interest guidelines before proceeding.

Specifically looking at this draft, references 1 and 4 are press releases, while 3, 6 and 7 do not seem to open for me, which is a problem. I think this is a borderline case, and one or two examples of media attention from the mainstream press (rather than publications targeted at the industry) would probably push it into the "notable" zone.

Hope this helps --LukeSurl ^{t c} 13:21, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

New article to introduce an idea and feedback request from wikipedia / mediawiki developers

https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Curiosum%C3%A9

Any suggestions about who or where to share this information are appreciated.

It outlines a draft of an open Internet protocol that utilizes Wikipedia entries as an ontology for personal data matching.

Prototype software is being developed, providing the features described in this article.

Feedback and involvement from Wikipedia and Mediawiki would be helpful at this point in further developing the ideas described here.

Excerpt:

An open protocol extending the conventional résumé / CV as a means for describing one’s interests, skills, abilities, and intent with respect to semantic web resources and other metadata (such as spatiotemporal location).

The word is a portmanteau of the words curiosity (representing desired skills, which can be learned) and résumé (representing acquired skills, which can be taught).

Resources defined by Wikipedia cover most conceivable topics and offer multilingual translations. Hierarchical categorization and heterarchical associations (wikilinks) between topics allows for partial relevancy comparisons.

24.131.65.218 (talk) 16:37, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello. I have left a comment on the AfC draft. In short, the Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab) would be a great place to take your idea, however now is not an appropriate time to create an article about your new idea. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 16:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

How do I get quality contributors to participate in editing my page?

I know people in the Cognitive Computing field and would like them to participate. Do I just email them and ask them? Or, must I set them up?

Plus, can anyone edit the page or would it be restricted to known experts in the field?

New to Wikipedia. Thank you in advance. -g

HadoopNation (talk) 19:53, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, HadoopNation and welcome to The Teahouse. Anyone who follows the rules can edit any page on Wikipedia. We do not restrict editing to experts, and even if someone came here and claimed to be an expert, we could not be sure that person really is what he or she claims to be. Being an expert is an advantage but everyone should use reliable independent sources and a neutral point of view. And those who know the material have no more rights than anyone else.

If you would like to invite people who know the material, go right ahead. We could always use experts in any field.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:12, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi HadoopNation. Welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. Anyone can edit. You can ask people in the field for help. You need to indicate where the information comes from. Look at User:Yunshui/References for beginners for help writing references. I've added the page Cognitive computing to Wikipedia:WikiProject Computing. You can ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing too. Happy editing. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Barnstars

I have seen really nice people on wiki. I am trying to get to the barnstar awards for wiki but I cant find the link. Could you please send me the barnstar link please. Tylkrby767 (talk) 12:37, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back - you can find all the barnstars at Wikipedia:Barnstars. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 12:46, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Also Tylkrby767 remember that you can always Google: "Wikipedia barnstars" and the link will show on a google search.--Mark Miller (talk) 20:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

OTRS

I want to send the permission email to OTRS, but I can't seem to find it anywhere...can someone please provide the email so I can forward the permission email from the author. Anetek3D (talk) 20:50, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi and welcome (back?) to the Teahouse. Please see the last section of Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries - that has the email address you need. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:56, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Demiurge1000. Found it! Anetek3D (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Edits keep disappearting

I've added cites to the Massacre at Hue page three times now, and each time they have disappeared. I return to the page and see the "citation needed" note instead of the cites that I entered.

What the heck is going on? Txantimedia (talk) 03:36, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Txantimedia. When I look at Massacre at Huế, I don't see a "citation needed" tag. I see 30 citations. The edit history shows that two other editors are actively editing the page, and are fighting with each other on the talk page. The references remain quite messy and are poorly formatted, despite your efforts to clean them up. A syntax error in one reference can interfere with the display of all following references, so it is important to be sure that the syntax is correct. I recommend that you engage with the other two editors on the talk page, and triple check the formatting of every single reference. Referencing for beginners is a good resource. Good luck! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:23, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

I figured it out. There is a guy removing my cites every time I add them. Txantimedia (talk) 00:01, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Uploading videos

Hello, How do you upload videos on to Wikipedia articles? Tom the Bergeron (talk) 03:12, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Videos.--Maleko Mela (talk) 03:25, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Pictures

I am trying to make a profile picture larger....and it won't work.... I type |500px within the file portion and it doesn't work.... What am I doing wrong? Anetek3D (talk) 02:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

When you say "profile pic" I assume you mean the infobox image. That doesn't work that way. However, if it is not in an info box be sure you have the full mark up correctly coded as:

[[File:Image|500px|thumb|caption]]. Although...500 px is really too large in my opinion.--Maleko Mela (talk) 03:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I have adjusted the infobox to include the image size but don't use 500px. That is far too large.--Maleko Mela (talk) 03:29, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Maleko Mela

I wrote

File:Image

caption

beside image size and still nothing happened. I agree 500px is too big but I am trying to see a change and I don't. Anetek3D (talk) 03:40, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

You actually added the full image mark up. I adjusted the image for you to 250px but anything larger will not be acceptable. And actually...this image is to small for even that size as it appears very blurry. but I have left it for now.--Maleko Mela (talk) 03:46, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I should probably mention that the image is copyrighted and there is nothing to indicate at the source that it is not.--Maleko Mela (talk) 03:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again Maleko Mela I am still fairly new at this and was unsure what to type in. I appreciate your patience. I changed the image to 200px (smaller) and it looks OK (not as blurry). I could not find a copyright on this pic, and since he died in 1965 and the image was from the 1940's, I think I used an appropriate license tag. I think I'll make it a tad smaller as well....I appreciate your help :) Anetek3D (talk) 04:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

The use of non free images is a very delicate situation on Wikipedia. I have to say that I am a little concerned that you have uploaded an image that fails our copyright policy. I will do nothing about that as it is not up to me to make such an issue as you could well be correct, just that as it stands right now, there seems to be nothing to uphold that claim of PD. But happy editing and welcome to Wikipedia!--Maleko Mela (talk) 04:09, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Maleko Mela I appreciate your input. Like I said, I am still fairly new...and I am learning along the way. All comments and discussions are helpful to me. Thank you again for your time and expertise :) Anetek3D (talk) 04:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Help placing the image

Please help to make the image small of the Swiss airlines. Please click here. Sakib14 (talk) 08:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sakib14 and welcome to the Teahouse. Which image are you talking about? There are currently five images in the "Fleet" section, which are displayed at a standard size.  Philg88 ^♦talk 09:08, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, I am new.

I am starting to get the hang of things I think. I made some edits to the article Percy Burn Viaduct some time ago and when I returned today to the article I was quite angry to see that they had disappeared. People shouldn't remove information from articles if it is helpful. The closure of the track was very topical and a point of contention in my community and since a lot of overseas tourists use the track it is in their interests to know that the bridge is closed. So then I found out I hadn't provided a reference. I think I have done it properly now. Can someone advise? Thank you

Hello, anonymous person (please sign posts on talk pages with four tildes ~~~~, so we know who they are from. Since you are editing without an account, this will just show your IP address, but that still helps in showing whether we are talking to the same person). I'm sorry you found this frustrating: the fact is that Wikipedia is a big and complicated animal, and it does take some work to get your contributions to stick. The problem here is that (by design) anybody can go in and add anything to any article, and if they don't include any references, we have no way to know if they are correct, mistaken, out of date, or just having a joke. So PeeJay2K3 was within their rights to remove the unreferenced information you added. I see that there has more activity on the page from yourself (I think) and others, so I'm not sure whether any more work is needed.

On one point: please notice that it is explicitly not part of Wikipedia's purpose to provide news, how-tos, or tourist information: what is in Wikipedia should be only information that has already been reported in reliable sources, and is encyclopaedic in nature. "Helpful" to people who might want to use or visit a subject is not a criterion. --ColinFine (talk) 09:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Is wikipedia even cool Tylkrby767 (talk) 03:08, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Very much so. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:09, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

LOLPeacefulJarl379 (talk) 16:19, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Unreferenced? Or not

I'm trying to clean up the page of Constantin Noica. He *is* an important Romanian thinker. Yet there are only two references. Both are translation related. Nothing about his life. Is this article unreferenced? Should I add citation needed for each paragraph? I do not know enough about his life to do this work, but I want to have a higher quality page. Ableci (talk) 11:04, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ablici. Rather than tagging each paragraph, you might do better to put a {{ref improve}} template at the top of the page (just type {{ref improve}} at the top of the edit window). It's probable that there are more sources available in Romanian; you could try asking the Romanian WikiProject for help in finding them. Yunshui ^雲_水 11:24, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Yunshui 雲水

After requesting an improvement, should I ask for citations for a couple of strange biographic details or that would count as overkill? Ableci (talk) 11:46, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

If you think they are controversial, You should use {{cn}} after the text.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:38, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Vchimpanzee. That solves the issue.Ableci (talk) 19:49, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

How to change the titles of articles you created

Hi everybody! I just created a new page on Wikipedia, but realized that I made a mistake in the capitalization of the title of the article. How do I correct this? Twyfan714 (talk) 01:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Twyfan714. We call a title change a "move". Go to the page in question. Just to the left of the search box at the top right is a little triangle. Click on that for a menu and select "move". Fill in the boxes carefully and give a reason such as "capitalization error" and complete the move. Follow the instructions for cleaning up, and you are done. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:55, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

How does an author edit an already established Wikipedia entry about her book?

I discovered a Wikipedia page about a book I wrote. The page was established and edited by several people. How can I correct and expand the entry? Should I make it known that I am the author or should I establish an account and make the corrections anonymously? Can I add informative quotations from reviews in highly regarded publications? I'm a neophyte Wikipedia editor.173.79.225.186 (talk) 23:57, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

You ask an excellent question. Let me answer it by directing you to our guideline on such editing: WP:COI.--Maleko Mela (talk) 23:59, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I recommend that you create an account and reveal on your user page that you are the author of this book. Make your recommendations for improvements to the article about your book on that article's talk page. Provide links to reliable, independent sources substantiating your changes. Keep the neutral point of view in mind. Return to this thread, link to the article in question, and one or more Teahouse hosts will pitch in to help. I strongly recommend against editing this article yourself, but please feel free to edit other articles where you are not directly involved. We need good writers here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:05, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Link on AutoLatina

Could somebody please facilitate replacing under External links

• [http://www.autolatinaclube.cjb.net AutoLatina Clube]
• with [https://web.archive.org/web/20060215000000*/http://www.autolatinaclube.cjb.net/ AutoLatina Clube] (2006-2012) via [[Wayback Machine]].

It says something about "blocked." I have no intention reading tons of smallprint of instructions. Thanks and cheers, OAlexander (talk) 14:15, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello OAlexander! The reason you are getting a "blocked" message is probably due to the link being blacklisted. See WP:BLACKLIST. If it's been blacklisted, you can't include it in an article on Wikipedia. Hopefully, this explains without you needing to read tons of small print of instructions. Cheers!  :) —This lousy T-shirt— (talk) 17:41, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

We probably don't need an archived link to a dead website in the External links section anyway (see WP:LINKSTOAVOID#16). Nthep (talk) 18:01, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I personally consider this link as being quite important to the article as the target is one of the few sites that offer more information on the subject matter. It is eg., the sole source of information on the logo. It is the sole reference the article has on offer, and actually, it is reasonably informative. Trust me, I sought to replace that reference with something else. This particular link via Wayback should be unblacklisted. Cheers, OAlexander (talk) 02:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

You might be able to find some other references by following the links to the various cars the company made, from its WP article or elsewhere. Or you could follow up the references at the end of this article: http://redesign.globalatlanta.com/upload/theglobalsouth/docs/autolatina_new-elvincomments.doc Unfortunately, many references are not in English so I can't determine which ones might be useful. But without them, the whole article might be difficult to support if its only reference is blacklisted. --Gronk Oz (talk) 04:26, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

How do I insert a PDF file as an item for "further reading"?

???Charliegian (talk) 01:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Charliegian and welcome to the Teahouse. To add a pdf to the "Further reading" section of an article use this syntax: [http://www.yoururl Your Title]. Note the space between the two entries and the single square brackets. The software will do the rest!  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

How do I attach an article I've already written in PDF format?

I have written a manuscript "Counting Pythagorean Triples" in pdf format. I would like to upload it as an article to Wikipedia. How do I do that? Thank you Joeraab (talk) 23:15, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@Joeraab: Welcome to the Teahouse. We don't actually upload articles, we create them by adding text in the edit interface. To make your new article (since it doesn't exist), click on Counting Pythagorean Triples and start typing in the text field, then click 'save page' when you're done. There are, however, some rules about what can go into an article. Generally article topics must be the topic of multiple reliable sources (books, newspapers, government websites, etc.) and can't contain any previously unpublished information (that doesn't mean you should copy things from other sources - just write what the other sources say in your own words). Finally, it's important to cite all you sources. User:Yunshui/References for beginners is a good tutorial for beginners to learn about this; I suggest you read it. Happy editing. --Jakob (talk) (Please comment on my editor review.) 23:28, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Before going too far down the path of creating a new article, it would be worth reviewing the existing article at Pythagorean_triple carefully. Then consider whether the best approach might be to integrate the information from your manuscript into that article. In particular, look at the section "Distribution of triples" and see whether that is a suitable place for your material. That article has a very active Talk page, which would be an excellent place to discuss how your contributions can best be used. --Gronk Oz (talk) 04:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

@Joeraab: Hi Joe. There is one thing to take into consideration. We don't allow original research on Wikipedia – information must be able to be verified by looking at published reliable sources. It's possible that the addition you intend comports with this requirement, but from what you've said it's also possible this it's an unpublished text of your own devising, and as such would be unsuitable for inclusion here. This is not a reflection on how good the material may be, but on the fact that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, a tertiary source, and as such, is not the place to explore new things that have not already been the subject of publication in the world.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:33, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Why is text preformatted?

I inserted a LaTex equation at Tension (physics) and cannot figure out why the text following the equation is appearing in a blue box. Help? Sustain4people (talk) 07:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sustain4people. You left a leading blank space before the word "where" immediately following the equation. That single missing character messes up the display of the content that follows. Be sure that there is an actual character at the beginning of every line of wikicode, except a blank line intended to produce white space. I fixed it for you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikicannabis

How can i get a wiki site going to host pending legislation, revise existing laws, get input on drafting new law and open source education for Americans who are passionate about ending the stupid war on people who want to heal themselves with natural medicine? Ganjagreg (talk) 08:27, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ganjagreg and welcome to the Teahouse. You can download the required software framework here. You should bear in mind that setting up a wiki is not a task for the faint-hearted! Good luck.  Philg88 ^♦talk 08:57, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Ganjagreg. You could also look at hosting sites such as Wikia, which let you create your own Wiki quite easily. (See some of the categories on that page for other offerings). --ColinFine (talk) 11:16, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Help please!

Afterlife Sessions (Zachyboysmith (talk) 14:28, 27 April 2014 (UTC))

I'm so close to making it a perfect page, but I'm missing a few components. I'm stuck and would appreciate help! It'd mean the world to me! (Zachyboysmith (talk) 14:28, 27 April 2014 (UTC))

[hide]This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. (April 2014) The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. (April 2014) This article needs additional citations for verification. (April 2014) This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from related articles; try the Find links tool for suggestions. (April 2014) (Zachyboysmith (talk) 14:28, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Commendable enthusiasm, but sadly you are a long way from making it a perfect page, and the page's existence will be short unless you can provide references to show that the subject has received significant coverage in published reliable sources independent of the subject. In the message which you have quoted, each includes a number of words in blue; these are wikilinks which will give you more specific advice. Start by learning about notability, and if the article gets deleted again you ought to read WP:Your first article before trying again. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:42, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I have added a few more useful links on your user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hill or Mountain?

Hi I am trying to edit Velliangiri Mountains. Should I leave the name as such or change the 'mountains' to 'hills'. I am not aware of the consensus on this. Jayakumar RG (talk) 15:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Jayakumar JG. Our article should use the title most commonly used by most of the reliable English language sources discussing the topic in detail. Right now, the article has lots of unreferenced material, much of it about the religious mythology of the area. So, I suggest you work to improve the referencing. Remove dead links and low quality sources. Add higher quality sources with a preference toward those in English, though those in other languages are fine as well. Check out Referencing for beginners. Once you are conversant with the sources, you can make the decision about "hills" or "mountains". If other editors actively contribute to the article, discuss the matter on the talk page. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:03, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

How do i remove the description of an Album cover?

I uploaded the album cover of Abgehfaktor but i can not remove or edit the description,all i can do is add a new one.Krokuss (talk) 16:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Krokuss, welcome to the Teahouse. I guess you mean the Description field at File:Abgehfaktor cover.jpg#Summary. The summary section currently uses {{Non-free use rationale album cover}} which automatically adds text at the start of the Description field. You cannot override it completely but you can affect it by using some of the parameters shown at Template:Non-free use rationale album cover#Syntax. You can click "Show preview" to see the effect of parameter changes without saving. If you click the "Edit" or "View source" tab on the template page then you can see the template code and maybe guess how the parameters affect the Description field. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

I didn't add Name,Artist and Label to the template code.Next time i will copy the whole Syntax.Krokuss (talk) 17:34, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

What is the quickest way to get a cleanup tag to the attention of the most people?

Hello everyone! Okay, so I have tagged an article that needs cleanup. Unfortunately, the article doesn't get a lot of visits. What is the quickest way to get the cleanup to the attention of the most amount of people on Wikipedia? Twyfan714 (talk) 21:53, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello, thanks for your question! I took a look at The Wonder Years article, and it seems like you took the right mode of action by bringing up the issue on the talk page, great job with that! You outlined most of what needs cleanup, the article doesn't get a lot of visits like you said, and it isn't protected or anything, so what's holding you back from being bold and going for it yourself? As for getting the attention of other wikipedians, I would personally recommend the Project Talk Page, but it seems like you've done that too. Reward board also works, and if you really want the dedicated attention of a skilled editor, try submitting to the Guild of Copy Editors. If you pursue all those routes along with cleanups here and there to the article, it should get plenty of good attention. Hope this helps somewhat, cheers ~Helicopter Llama~ 22:23, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the response! I have added some stuff to the article (notably a background info section). Unfortunately, I am going to be busy for about another month and I frankly just won't have the time to improve the article because, as you saw me put on the talk page, it needs a LOT of work. I will bring it up again with the project page and I might check out the copy editor link you posted. Thanks again! Twyfan714 (talk) 22:30, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Citing by PJ379

Help citing. PeacefulJarl379 (talk) 00:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi PeacefulJarl379, welcome to the Teahouse! Help:Referencing for beginners is a good place to start with its videos. If you have any specific questions, ask away! --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:39, 28 April 2014 (UTC)