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December 16

Linking other languages in Wikipedia - Wikidata problem

Please see Talk:Plover - I have added links to other language articles before, but in this case it didn't work, and I'm not familiar enough with Wikidata to work out how to do it. Can anyone help? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I have responded at Talk:Plover. It is possible to add interlanguage links manually, but I don't think that is the best solution here. TSventon (talk) 12:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Easier way to use visual editor to cite report with different pages and quotes?

Hello,

I use the Visual Editor for cites including the very useful “Re-use” option.

Every year the government publishes a report about Greenhouse gas emissions by Turkey so I would like to cite many (maybe 20 or so) different pages of this in the article. At the moment I use the “rp” template for pages but if I remember right someone was working on improving the VE to do it more easily. But I cannot remember the name of the improvement. Can you?

Also I would like to “Re-use” the same report but with different quotes. Because so far I have generally put just page numbers but sometimes the info is not obvious on the page - for example GHG quantity for coal is sometimes buried in a table under “solid fuel”. Is there an easy way to “re-use” a report with different quotes? Or maybe I should put the row and column number of the table or put the number in Wikidata? Chidgk1 (talk) 08:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I am searching for that too, i remember that something like sub-reference appear at top banner once in Wikipedia a few months ago. it works like that you can use same source with different pages at different references. searching that i could only found this Mediawiki:VisualEditor/Basic example worksheet§References. see if that helps.––kemel49^{(connect)(contri)} 08:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@Chidgk1 and KEmel49: the subreferencing feature announced in a CentralNotice banner in August is still under development.

Once deployed, it may or may not be possible to reuse a reference with the only difference being a |quote= parameter.

Quotes in references are generally overused. Shortened footnotes can be used for references to the same page of the same source with different quotes, but the quote must be placed after the template proper, within the <ref>...</ref> tags. (Given there are two multiply cited reports issued by the Ministry of Environment, Urbanisation and Climate Change dating November 2024, you'd also have to use title–date citation style rather than author–date as default).

In lieu of or in addition to specific quotes, navigation information can be provided following a citation (also within the ref tags), like "see Table n, under 'solid fuel'" or even "select Option from Dropdown" etc.

I'm not sure how any of these manifest within the Visual Editor, but given that the 2023 UNFCCC report is cited twenty-five times, it's a good case for shortened footnotes replacing {{rp}}. Folly Mox (talk) 11:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Necessary to add footnote for languages if in infobox?

This is for Chinese Garden MRT station and other MRT stations in Singapore. Is it necessary to add a footnote for the name of the station in different languages if it is already in the infobox? Keep in mind that Singapore is a multilingual society. Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 10:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@Imbluey2 If the names in languages other than English are already included in the infobox or the lead paragraph, then it's not necessary to add them to the footnotes. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 12:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Btw, by footnote I mean putting one in the lead paragraph since it makes the article less cluttery but either way, it's fineImbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 12:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Biography: names of living children

I'm sure I've read somewhere that, in biographies, WP should not publish the names of living children who are not notable, in order to protect their privacy. Can someone point me at a policy or whatever? Masato.harada (talk) 10:45, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

WP:BLPNAME. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-problematic IP ranges

There's a few semi-problematic IP ranges I've noticed - some appear to be dominated primarily by the same user as well. I've found one in particular with edits not quite SPI or AIV level but frequently unconstructive - an IP-hopping not-quite-vandal on a different IPv6 every day where any warnings issued would be worthless. In lieu of a rangeblock (as disruption doesn't appear too frequent nor blatant), would it be allowed to keep a contributions link to their range on my userpage (or a subpage thereof)? This would make it easier to keep tabs on any less obvious disruption they cause and remove it sooner. Departure– (talk) 14:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

@Departure– You can certainly keep such a link, as you can to any other editor's contributions. You may not know how to find contributions that appear missing for an editor using an IPv6 address: add /64 to the end of the URL. For example Special:Contributions/2600:8801:A802:C300:E121:48D7:2C8D:300A/64 and you should get all their contributions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:49, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I was just wondering because I believe a few other pages accusing actual logged-in users have been deleted as attack pages. As far as I know this user doesn't have any accounts and only edits anonymously. Departure– (talk) 16:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Difference between "connected to" and "passionate"

Hey! When preparing to create an article there is a section in the article wizard that asks if you are close or related to the topic you are wanting to write about. In my case, it's something I'm not really connected to, but have done research on in the past and enjoy. (Everything I would write would have the references and citations needed, of course) I understand that policy is there to avoid a bias opinion and tone within the article, and my information is mainly factual. But because it's something I love and am invested in, would I be "ineligible" to write the article? Is there a set precedent for this? Thanks! Therguy10 (talk) 16:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

You definitely are eligible to create Wikipedia articles/drafts about that. However, if I were you, I'd select the "I'm not connected to the subject" button. You really can't create an article if you haven't done any research on it. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 16:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello! You have nothing to worry about here. "Connected to" refers to things like writing about yourself, people you personally know, or a company you work for. Most of us write about things we've researched and are passionate about (and sometimes we even discover new passions while writing). As long as you write in an impartial tone, you're good to go. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

@Ivebeenhacked @Thebiguglyalien That's what I was looking for! Thank you both very much! Therguy10 (talk) 15:03, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 23:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

See conflict of interest. Some stuff is not a COI, like "I am fascinated by this topic", or "I think this topic is really important and Wikipedia needs better info on it", "I posted am unpaid analysis and review of this thing off-wiki". But "I (or my buddy, or my employer) sell this thing" is a COI, because it gives you an ulterior motive to believe or include some information and not other information; even if the vested interest somehow magically doesn't affect your judgement, other people will not trust your judgement, and you should recuse yourself. That's the sort of "connection" we are worried about. We should maybe make this clearer. HLHJ (talk) 16:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

It is certainly a little interesting. I'm sure that there are editors including myself who have wanted to make an article or edits and have faced difficulties. Just because somebody isn't "physically" connected with a subject, (ex: paid to edit illegally, employers, self-work, e.t.c.) if it is something that they are truly passionate about and love, bias can seep into the article unknowingly. Therguy10 (talk) 17:03, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Strange accident when reverting vandalism

Hi, I was reverting some vandalism to the article Toyota (here) but something bizarre happened: the edit history shows I apparently deleted nearly the entire article! I quickly reverted that edit (here), but the edit history is even stranger, showing the article restored, but with a bunch of small edits to the article. Can someone take a look at the edit history and help me understand what happened? Harris7 (talk) 18:53, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I think I resolved it, by reverting to last edit before the vandalism. It was due to a web browser filter I was using, unexpectedly changing the content of the article. Sorry for the mess! Harris7 (talk) 18:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Looks like a technical error, with the entire article being placed in a template of some sort. More than likely this was on your end and entailed some variant of the mouse button being held down when going through the article, followed by a deletion or replacement action. I've rolled back the edits manually. For future reference, you can rollback edits manually even without the rollbacker right by going to a previous good revision, clicking "edit source", and publishing changes - this will revert the article to that revision. But if you just pressed "Undo" and then "Publish changes", then something must have gone horribly wrong somewhere along the line, perhaps on the network's end. Departure– (talk) 18:59, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Why am I being redirected to the arbitration committee when I feel like it is unncessessary.

Hello, yes it's me again for the 100th time. I posted a unprotection request on Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Decrease for the Meitei language and I've been told to follow the instructions on Wikipedia:Contentious topics#Appeals and amendments, but that's telling me to go to the arbitration committee when it feels like that would be going too far. And the arbitration committee deals with a whole contentious topic, I only want that single page unprotected or semi-protected (the current protection is extended confirmed.) Thank you and Wikipedia needs to be less complicated, please. ミラへぜ (talk) (ping me!) 21:30, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Probably should have stated that it does not fall under one of our contentious topics which are covered by the ArbCom, but it likely was ECPed because of persistent disruptive editing in the past. If it’s downgraded to Semi, then those with less than 30 days and 500 edits with (inadvertently or otherwise) little understanding of our guidelines may improperly edit it and run afoul of them constantly. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 22:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

2601AC47, WP:ARBIPA does exist and covers the subject. It does not come with an extended-confirmed restriction like WP:ARBPIA though. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Anyway, do check what I just gave you on your talk. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 22:39, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

ミラへぜ, looking at your request and the responses, you have not been redirected to the Arbitration Committee. Please have a closer look at the list below An editor appealing a restriction may at Wikipedia:Contentious topics § Appeals and amendments. You have been informed about an appeal process that starts with asking the protecting administrator, Courcelles in this case. This is independent of contentious topic restrictions, though, as you should always ask the protecting administrator first. As the protection was made more than a year ago, special rules apply in case another administrator disagrees, but these details are irrelevant until you have asked Courcelles. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 01:29, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Er, while we're here, isn't this username against policy? It's like naming yourself ウィキペディア. -- asilvering (talk) 02:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Are you referring to the alphabet or a translation? Users with usernames in non-Latin script writing systems are welcome to edit Wikipedia. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Neither. Miraheze, like Wikipedia/the WMF, is a non-profit that runs wikis. -- asilvering (talk) 05:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Despite non-Latin being fine, your example would be a violation of WP:ORGNAME, since it's just 'Wikipedia' in kana. Is there a Japanese organization named 'Miraheze'? Safrolic (talk) 03:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

ミラへぜ's userpage mentions miraheze.org, described at Draft:Miraheze. TSventon (talk) 03:42, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, that's me shown. Good catch by asilvering! Safrolic (talk) 04:16, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it's another wiki hosting service. I'm somewhat surprised to find that we don't have an article on it already. -- asilvering (talk) 05:44, 17 December 2024 (UTC)