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[edit]Boobapedia
[edit]I was trying to find sources for the Booba (show) article but I suddenly found Boobapedia, is this counted as a reliable source and is it related to MediaWiki of some sort? đTheNuggeteerđ
10:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @TheNuggeteer That's a Wiki, so no. Its "about" page makes it clear that any user can add content. Its the same reason that you can't cite Wikipedia as a reliable source. If that website itself cites sources, then you can sometimes use these after checking they are valid. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:43, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- That website runs on the MediaWiki software, same as Wikipedia and all other Wikimedia projects. It's... not the least confusing nomenclature. Folly Mox (talk) 11:04, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
When will be my wikipage shown on Google SERP?
[edit]I have created a wikipage ie Indapur, Raigad on 26th July 2024. This page is visible on wikipedia, but not on Google search result. The current Assessment status is shown Unknown. Pranay030 (talk) 11:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pranay030 Articles are not indexed by search engines until reviewed by the New pages patrol, or until they have been in mainspace for 90 days. NPP is heavily backlogged at present, as you will see from the link. If you had used the WP:AfC process, the article would have been marked as reviewed when accepted. Some experienced editors are WP:Autopatrolled. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Pranay030: You should add it to Template:Raigad district. It wil make it easier to find for Wikipedia users, and also search engines when we allow it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
How to deal with the inconsistencies in Security Council membership maps
[edit]I'm trying to fix problems in the series of images UNSC <year>.svg
(e.g. File:UNSC 2023.svg), and I'm not sure how best to go about it. These images show the UN Security Council membership in a given year on a world map. Thereâs one for each year going back to 1967. (The ones before 2010 have different names.) I want to make the following improvements:
- Disputed territories are treated inconsistently. Some maps show Taiwan as part of China (e.g. File:UNSC 2022.svg), some don't (e.g. File:UNSC 2023.svg); some show Crimea as part of Russia (e.g. File:UNSC 2022.svg), some don't (e.g. File:UNSC 2023.svg). IMHO, the maps should follow UN practice, which is to treat Taiwan as part of China but to reject Russia's claim to Crimea; but whatever they show, it should be consistent across the years.
- Nominal file sizes differ. Some maps specify 2,754 Ă 1,398 pixels (e.g. File:UNSC 2023.svg), some 1,104 Ă 566 pixels (e.g. File:UNSC 2020.svg), some 940 Ă 415 pixels (e.g. File:UNSC 2011.svg).
- Correlated with the different nominal sizes are slight graphical differences. The smaller maps use a lighter shade of gray and draw the map border either more strongly or not at all.
- The maps were apparently coloured using Inkscape, dispersing lots of changes throughout the file. That makes it unnecessarily difficult to assess whatâs being coloured and to change it consistently. It would be much preferable to just have two CSS styles at the top, for permanent and non-permanent members, so that for instance a decision on the treatment of disputed territories could easily be applied to all the maps by a simple one-line change using a text editor or shell script.
The maps File:UNSC 2024.svg and File:UNSC 2025.svg were missing; I created them based on File:BlankMap-World.svg, using simple CSS styles at the top and following UN practice (as described above). I have a script that can automatically generate these for all years. I also wanted to upload new versions of the existing maps but then realized that I donât have permission to do that and that it might not conform with commons:COM:OVERWRITE ("Changes to a file that are likely to be contested should be uploaded to a separate filename" â I guess changing the treatment of disputed territories might be contested). But uploading these new maps to separate filenames seems like a bad solution. Iâm in the process of standardizing the infoboxes of the articles on Security Council elections (which use these maps) using templates (see e.g. 2022 United Nations Security Council election). When Iâm done with that, switching to a different series of filenames would be a simple change in the template. But these maps are also used in other projects â about three uses per map on average (e.g. File:UNSC_2019.svg#globalusage). Those would remain inconsistent; or, if all those uses were switched to the new files, the effect would be the same as overwriting the old files, just with a lot more work. There must be some other way to fix something like this than to engage in discussions in a dozen different language projects until thereâs a consensus for the change in all of them. Would it be an option to overwrite the files and leave messages in the other projects about the change so they can restore the previous version if they donât agree with the change? Any advice on how to proceed would be much appreciated. Joriki (talk) 11:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm commenting less because I have any specifically useful knowledge but mostly because no one else has. I'd suggest bringing this up on WP:MAPS, that seems to be in their wheelhouse. And you probably could find the original uploaders of some of the earlier ones and contact them.Naraht (talk) 13:39, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Technology
[edit]I want to create a robot 41.113.102.238 (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming you are referring to a Wikipedia editing bot, you will first need to create an account, then carefully read Wikipedia:Bots and Help:Creating a bot. Shantavira|feed me 15:26, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia Information and Subject Pages
[edit]How does one request the addition of, or create content to be added to Wikipedia? Info requested would be biographical and career related in nature for a well known, previously published and promoted artist that passed away in 2022. It appears from the FAQ that I can create a page based on previously available and quotable info. How best to begin?
thank you. AGBRUNO58 (talk) 15:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Anybody may create an article in Wikipedia; but My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
- Creating an article begins with finding suitable sources to establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability: if such sources do not exist, then attempting to create an article about the person will be a waste of everybody's time. Note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Mistakes in the article Notes on Muscovite Affairs
[edit]The article contains several notable errors, which I corrected, but my corrections were not accepted and I was warned that my actions could damage the content of the article. I was directed to the article's talk page to discuss my comments, but no one responded to my request. All errors remain in the article:
1. The article declares that Muscovy was one of the states into which Kyivan Rus broke up. This statement is false. Leaving the name "Kyivvan Rus", which appeared only in the 19th century, out of parentheses, I should note that the disintegration of Rus' dates back to the 11th century, while the first mention of Moscow dates back to 1147 - the 12th century. Moreover, the Muscovite State did not exist then. The Muscovite state emerged in the 13th century and strengthened during Horde rule. 2. Herberstein distinguished the concept of Russia (to which he attributed the territory of the former Rus' - modern Ukraine - within the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and the Crown of Poland) and Muscovy - the state under the rule of the Moscow princes which became a core of the Russian Empire and modern Russia, which was reflected in his notes. Therefore, the identification of Muscovy with Russia in this article is incorrect. According to this logic, the concept of Rus' (or according to the author's reading "Kievan Rus") should be replaced by Ukraine. And everywhere in the text of the article "Russian" regarding "Kievan Rus'" should be replaced by "Ukrainian" (for example, Ukrainian principalities). As we can see, the identification of concepts "for convenience" provokes confusion and factual errors in the future. 3. Accordingly, it is incorrect to write that Herberstein was sent with a mission to Russia. After all, Russia did not exist then. It would be more accurate to write that he was sent to Muscovy (now Russia). The same applies to the "Russian Tsar" or the Russians. Local people and the Tsar of Muscovy were more appropriate.
I would appreciate any help on this case! 2603:7081:4700:3A62:C57B:BC70:34A9:DFF5 (talk) 15:57, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- It is not very likely that anybody reading this page has any particular knowledge about this subject.
- If you look at the history of the article Notes on Muscovite Affairs, you will see that @Mellk reverted your edits with the comment "Unsourced changes" - twice (which means that you were edit warring, by reintroducing them without discussion: see WP:BRD). As far as I can tell, that is what they meant by "disruptive editing": not the content of your edit but the fact that you introduced information without citing sources, and repeated this.
- You did the right thing by opening a discussion on the article's talk page; but since you didn't ping any editors, it is quite possible that nobody has seen the discussion.
- I have pinged Mellk here; and it might be a good idea to put a note on WT:WikiProject Russia pointing to the discussion on the talk page. ColinFine (talk) 21:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for pinging me. Yes, I reverted the IP editor because they made blanket unsourced changes to the article so that it aligned with a certain nationalistic POV. It is better if they cite sources instead. Mellk (talk) 04:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Article unable to edit
[edit]https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Jews The first line reads: The Jews (Hebrew: ×Ö°××Öź×Ö´××â, ISO 259-2: Yehudim, Israeli pronunciation: [jehuËdim]) or Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group[12] and nation[13]
The word Jews has nothing to the with the notion of 'nation'.
Can someone fix to delete the phase 'and nation'? Please keep what is written on wiki scholarly. Thank you. 98.110.167.14 (talk) 19:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- The statement is backed up by citations to no fewer than five sources. The article is doing what it is supposed to do, and summarising what reliable sources say.
- If you think that it is not accurately representing those sources, or you have other reliable mainstream sources which say something different, please open a discussion on the article's talk page. But I suggest you read carefully the discussions already on that talk page. ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Your objection seems to assume that there is "the notion of 'nation'", which in turn suggests that such a notion is singular, that there don't also exist alternative notions. But please read and digest the discussion "Jews are.....a nation". -- Hoary (talk) 21:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
I need help
[edit]I had a notification from Italian Wikipedia, and I clicked a blue button, and now I canât find it. Can you please recover my notification? Ramekin99 (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I clicked the button accidentally if that helps. I donât know what the button was called or what it does. Ramekin99 (talk) 19:59, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ramekin99 if you get a notification from another Wikipedia you can go to that Wikipedia and check your old notifications. It is not saved in en Wikipedia. The notification may be about an automatic welcome message on your talk page. TSventon (talk) 20:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)