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[edit]How do I find which article is featured in the most languages?
[edit]Per above, how do I find out which Wikipedia article is a featured article in the most languages? Tyrone Madera (talk) 00:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- By guesswork, it could be United States of America, which has 300 languages. There must be a better way. TSventon (talk) 00:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- USA is not a Featured article. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- It's not featured in English, but it is in Lithuanian and some other languages. Tyrone Madera (talk) 00:54, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- USA is not a Featured article. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- [Edit Conflict] It doesn't usually work as you imagine, Tyrone Madera: "we" (the several hundred thousand completely independent volunteer editors) don't usually write an article in one language and then translate it into all the others. Instead, the various different-language Wikipedias operate almost completely independently from one another and most of the articles in any one of them were written from scratch in that language. Consequently, any two different-language articles about the same subject will probably be significantly different in the references they are based on, their structure, some of their factual (or supposedly factual) content, and even their titles: they cannot therefore really be considered as the "same" article.
- Sometimes someone will use a translation from "Language-A Wikipedia" into "Language-B" as a starting point for an "L-B Wikipedia" article, but because each Wikipedia's standards and protocols (such as how many and what sort of references are considered necessary and acceptable) have been formulated and evolved separately, they may differ significantly, so again the resulting articles in "L-A W" and L-B W" will not really be the same article. {The poster foremerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.31 (talk) 00:53, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- That's good to know, but regardless of the differences between articles, I'm curious to find out—using shared wikidata identifiers as a baseline—which articles have been "featured" the most times in different languages, as indicated by the stars that shows up next to each article's interlanguage sidebar links. Tyrone Madera (talk) 01:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Wikipedia records#Languages has an unsourced claim:
- That's good to know, but regardless of the differences between articles, I'm curious to find out—using shared wikidata identifiers as a baseline—which articles have been "featured" the most times in different languages, as indicated by the stars that shows up next to each article's interlanguage sidebar links. Tyrone Madera (talk) 01:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Featured article on the most different language Wikipedias: Solar System (22 languages)
- PrimeHunter (talk) 02:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- At Solar System (Q544), I count 23. Don't know whether that's actually the most, though. Rummskartoffel 11:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- PrimeHunter (talk) 02:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- There is this suggested list of 300 vital articles every language Wikipedia should have, so I'd naively check this too. Meta:List of articles every Wikipedia should have ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I ran this query, which is a pre-made example, to get all FAs, downloaded the result as JSON (verbose version), and then used the following code in Node.js to find everything with at least 20 FAs (there's probably a way to do it in SPARQL directly, but I don't know it):
require("./query.json") .results.bindings.map(b => b.item.value) .sort((a, b) => parseInt(a.split("Q")[1]) - parseInt(b.split("Q")[1])) .map(v => ({ v, n: 1 })) .reduce( (acc, x) => acc[acc.length - 1] && acc[acc.length -1].v === x.v ? ((acc[acc.length - 1].n += x.n), acc) : acc.concat([x]), [] ) .sort((a, b) => b.n - a.n) .filter(x => x.n >= 20)
I've found Mars (Q111) with 29, Earth (Q2) with 26, Solar System (Q544) with 23, World War II (Q362) with 22, United States of America (Q30) with 21, Germany (Q183) with 20, and Moon (Q405) with 20. Rummskartoffel 17:16, 2 December 2021 (UTC)- That's so cool! Thank you! Tyrone Madera (talk) 02:25, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- In SPARQL, you could do this: https://w.wiki/4W7i Vexations (talk) 22:41, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
- Wow! That is super simple. I wonder why Mars is featured in so many languages? Tyrone Madera (talk) 23:43, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
My edits don't show up
[edit]I'm trying to do a simple editing to the Dennis Rader page. I click "submit" changes and all looks well. But once I refresh the page, my changes aren't there anymore. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2804:14C:6583:622C:246C:CFB:2E19:DB0 (talk) 00:21, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Try refreshing your browser's cache with Ctrl + F5. Ixfd64 (talk) 00:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Officer Tenpenny needs to spend some time away from terrorising schoolkids to get to your edit. The article is CRASHlocked. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 00:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Courtesy link: Dennis Rader
- Your edit about the song by Exodus is visible to me. Is something else missing? ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 00:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes - the article is CRASHlocked and his edit's awaiting review last I saw. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 00:28, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've accepted the edit and dropped them a welcome template. It's probably not a great idea to use weird jargon you made up yourself in responses to help requests. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- You should know full and goddamn well abut my use of that phrase by now. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 02:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Chalk me up as still confused. I apparently slept through this bit of wikidrama. clpo13(talk) 06:08, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- This is the help desk, not the "make a point with gibberish the person asking for help won't know about" desk. Beeblebrox (talk) 06:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm also not sure if there's some kind of inside joke that I'm missing here. I've never heard of CRASHlocked, and neither of the piped links the namedropping editor posted contain the word. Without more context this looks just plain rude, and out of place on a very visible, volunteer help desk by someone who has otherwise been making helpful edits. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 08:18, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I concur. Jéské Couriano has three times used incomprehensible jargon in this thread. That isn't appropriate in a page that aims to help inexperienced users. Maproom (talk) 08:52, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm also not sure if there's some kind of inside joke that I'm missing here. I've never heard of CRASHlocked, and neither of the piped links the namedropping editor posted contain the word. Without more context this looks just plain rude, and out of place on a very visible, volunteer help desk by someone who has otherwise been making helpful edits. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 08:18, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Chalk me up as still confused. I apparently slept through this bit of wikidrama. clpo13(talk) 06:08, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- You should know full and goddamn well abut my use of that phrase by now. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 02:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've accepted the edit and dropped them a welcome template. It's probably not a great idea to use weird jargon you made up yourself in responses to help requests. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Yes - the article is CRASHlocked and his edit's awaiting review last I saw. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 00:28, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've never heard of the term before either and assumed it was an inside joke between editors. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- A search of all namespaces [1] gets three hits including this, all by Jéské Couriano on a site with millions of pages. Officer Tenpenny is a video game character I also never heard about. Please don't use weird easter egg links when helping users. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I've never heard of the term before either and assumed it was an inside joke between editors. Ixfd64 (talk) 18:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
What's the hatnote for warning the the subject of an article might not be notable?
[edit]Question as above. I have been hunting but I cannot find what it is. Thank you.--A bit iffy (talk) 03:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @A bit iffy: I think you are looking for {{Notability}} RudolfRed (talk) 03:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Many thanks for that. --A bit iffy (talk) 03:28, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @A bit iffy: You also might want to take a look at Twinkle which both allows easy placement and has a list of templates that are curated by topic (see Wikipedia:Twinkle/doc#Tag). Regards SoWhy 13:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Many thanks for that. --A bit iffy (talk) 03:28, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
How to hire a Freelancer to write an article and content for my company Wikipedia page
[edit]How to hire a Freelancer to write an article and content for my company Wikipedia page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biohazardplus (talk • contribs) 06:23, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Biohazardplus: You are strongly recommended not to, as both you and whomever you hire will be subject to restrictions imposed by the paid editor policy, such as being generally forbidden from directly editing the article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Biohazardplus, there is no such thing as "my company page", for you or anybody else. If your company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, (roughly, that people wholly unconnected with your company have published enough material about it to base an article on) then there can be an article about your company. The article will not belong to the company, will not be for your company's benefit, will not be under the company's control, will not necessarily way what you want it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with you have published about your company, not on what you or your associates say or wish to say. You are strongly discouraged from creating such an article yourself. There are people who will take your money and purport to write an article for you. I imagine some of them are honest, and will give you no guarantees that they can create an article or that you will be pleased with the result; many of them are scam merchants.
- Separately, I see you have been blocked for having a promotional username: you can change it, or more simply abandon it and create a personal account. But you will still not be permitted to try and use Wikipedia for promotion of any kind. --ColinFine (talk) 11:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
I want to become admin
[edit]What's the process to apply for becoming an administrator.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aqzswxdecfrvgtb (talk • contribs) 07:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Aqzswxdecfrvgtb: You would need to have edited without issues for several years making tens if not hundreds of thousands of edits including creating new content. You would to demonstrate thorough knowledge of Wikipedia's policies and that you can interact positively with other editors. You would also be required to show that you have a need for the additional tools that an Admin has access to. More information can be found at WP:RFA and the section 'About RFA' also has links to recently closed applications where you will find discussions about the applicants. As your account is only a few eeks old with 37 edits it would probably be best to continue to edit 'generally' for the time being. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this:
~~~~
. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 08:04, 2 December 2021 (UTC)- Also, we wouldn't give administrator rights to a paid editor. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Paid editors might run for adminship and conceivably succeed. However, no editor (paid or not) would succeed if they (1) do not know how to sign posts and (2) have been declined a draft two days ago with the rationale
zero in depth coverage in reliable independent sources, this is just paid for promotion of a new non notable film fails WP:NFILM.
. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Paid editors might run for adminship and conceivably succeed. However, no editor (paid or not) would succeed if they (1) do not know how to sign posts and (2) have been declined a draft two days ago with the rationale
- Also, we wouldn't give administrator rights to a paid editor. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Recreating Deleted Page
[edit]I just posted this on the talk page of another editor but it doesn't appear as though he's actively editing so thought I would seek advice here. I was going through the List of unicorn startup companies and am planning to create pages for those who don't have one. Snyk is on the list - their page https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?action=edit&title=snyk was deleted in November 2017. From what I looked up, I believe 4 years later it's now notable enough to deserve its own page. The instruction said to first contact the user who performed the deletion. I did that but as I wrote, I'm not sure that he will see it. I have no idea what was on the original page and not sure it matters. Should I just go ahead and create the page? MaskedSinger (talk) 09:45, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @MaskedSinger Welcome to Help Desk! That seems reasonable. You contacted Nyttend who doesn't appear to be active, neither is is their alternate Nyttend backup active either. If you want to see what the article was like before, you can request a WP:REFUND. Be prepared to share the top 3-4 links that establish WP:GNG, otherwise it will be challenged again. Happy editing and recreating. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:14, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Shushugah Thanks for getting back to me. To be honest, I don't think I need to see the old article. By definition, it's outdated and whatever was written then wasn't enough to satisfy notability. So my thinking is starting a page from scratch. Is this ok? Or do I have to start with the deleted page as a base? I've got no problem having to establish WP:GNG - if it's not there, the page doesn't deserve to be here. MaskedSinger (talk) 14:20, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @MaskedSinger No go ahead! I agree that WP:REFUND in this case is likely not useful. The main situation where it's useful is if it was a comprehensive draft that was deleted, or likely to contain rare/hard to find sources, but since this is a modern topic, that's unlike. Go for it! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Shushugah Thank you for being super helpful!! A real pleasure to meet you :) MaskedSinger (talk) 14:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Shushugah If you would like to take a look. I just published it - Snyk MaskedSinger (talk) 20:15, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Shushugah Thank you for being super helpful!! A real pleasure to meet you :) MaskedSinger (talk) 14:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @MaskedSinger No go ahead! I agree that WP:REFUND in this case is likely not useful. The main situation where it's useful is if it was a comprehensive draft that was deleted, or likely to contain rare/hard to find sources, but since this is a modern topic, that's unlike. Go for it! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Shushugah Thanks for getting back to me. To be honest, I don't think I need to see the old article. By definition, it's outdated and whatever was written then wasn't enough to satisfy notability. So my thinking is starting a page from scratch. Is this ok? Or do I have to start with the deleted page as a base? I've got no problem having to establish WP:GNG - if it's not there, the page doesn't deserve to be here. MaskedSinger (talk) 14:20, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Elijah Brush. This is my great-great grandfather. He is shown on Mayors of Detroit BUT not in a list of Mayor's. Should be just under Sibley. Can someone assist. Thanks
[edit]Elijah Brush. This is my great-great grandfather. He is shown on Mayors of Detroit BUT not in a list of Mayor's. Should be just under Sibley. Can someone assist. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zumabch (talk • contribs) 11:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Zumabch: The relevant talk page would be the best place to discuss and request this. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 11:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Zumabch: Elijah Brush is listed after Sibley at List of mayors of Detroit#First incorporation. If you refer to List of mayors of Detroit#Early American leadership or List of mayors of Detroit#Second Board of Trustees then it's for chairmen of the Board of Trustees. Do you have a published reliable source that Elijah Brush held that position? If you refer to something else then please link it. If it's in List of mayors of Detroit then quote the section heading. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Infoboxes and location of images outside it
[edit]Hi there. One of the things I like most in working with Wikipedia is hunting for images and including them in an article. It makes the article more attractive and informative. However there seems to be a snag: I cannot always insert an image where I want it to go. This is especially annoying in articles with an infobox. The infobox doesn't tolerate any image in the text to its left. This sometimes results in huge blocks of text without illustrations (depending on the length of the infobox) and images not placed right next to the relevant text, but gathered way down under the infobox. Am I doing something wrong? Is there a solution for this?--Judithcomm (talk) 12:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Be aware that you do not know what size of display someone might be using to read an article, which way it is orientated, nor what font size they may be using; all these affect the layout of a page. Some infoboxes will allow an image to be displayed in them. Bazza (talk) 13:36, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm aware of that, but that doesn't really answer my question. See Wyatt Earp for example.--Judithcomm (talk) 13:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Judithcomm: I think that MOS:LEAD explains why things work this way. The lead part of an article usually has a single image, intended to let the reader know they have reached the correct page. The lead summarises, in text, the key points from the article and sits above the "contents" box. So the intention is that all the other pictures should be found within the sections below, in what is really the true "article". If leads were to include multiple images, then those images would need to be repeated later where they were more fully discussed and that would obviously be unnecessary duplication. Keep up the good work of adding relevant images! Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Judithcomm: Please always include an example from the beginning. Your example has the right-floating {{O.K. Corral}} right after the infobox. You can use {{stack}} around them to allow a left-floating image but note MOS:SANDWICH. It may look bad in narrow windows. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for all your input.--Judithcomm (talk) 03:56, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Judithcomm: Please always include an example from the beginning. Your example has the right-floating {{O.K. Corral}} right after the infobox. You can use {{stack}} around them to allow a left-floating image but note MOS:SANDWICH. It may look bad in narrow windows. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Judithcomm: I think that MOS:LEAD explains why things work this way. The lead part of an article usually has a single image, intended to let the reader know they have reached the correct page. The lead summarises, in text, the key points from the article and sits above the "contents" box. So the intention is that all the other pictures should be found within the sections below, in what is really the true "article". If leads were to include multiple images, then those images would need to be repeated later where they were more fully discussed and that would obviously be unnecessary duplication. Keep up the good work of adding relevant images! Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:09, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I'm aware of that, but that doesn't really answer my question. See Wyatt Earp for example.--Judithcomm (talk) 13:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Donations to Wikipedia
[edit]Why have I not received an email from you confirming my £20 donation made 1st December? I have donated on 2 occasions, but will not donate again if I do not receive confirmation of my payment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:6380:9001:E8BF:5051:84D4:7050 (talk) 12:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- We do not have access to information on donations because these are actually made to the Wikimedia Foundation. See here for how to contact them. QuiteUnusual (talk) 12:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- You might also be interested to read Wikimedia_Foundation#Finances.--Shantavira|feed me 13:10, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Contributions
[edit]I made a $10 contribution a couple of days ago and I am still getting requests for a donation. How long will this go on? I also make a two dollar a month contribution that started last year. Will this continue without me doing anything? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geetwo1940 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- If you want to turn off fundraising notifications, you can navigate to this section of your Preferences and untick the “Fundraising” checkbox. (Make sure to click the “Save” button at the bottom once you’ve unticked the box.) If you have questions about the campaign itself, you can read the donating FAQ. GMX🎄(on the go!) 15:22, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
How to change the header ?
[edit]My Header is currently Draft:Chris McCoy https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Draft:Chris_McCoy I want it to say "Chris McCoy, Rock Keyboardist". How do I make this change ? It is greyed out in the visual editor.
Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrismccoymusic (talk • contribs) 17:30, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- That requires a page move, would not be an acceptable title, and would get punted back to draft or deleted if you attempted to bypass the review process because it is woefully undersourced. We are not social media. We are an encyclopaedia project, and sources are required. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 17:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hello, Chrismccoymusic. Please read WP:your first article and WP:what Wikipedia is not. Also, your user name is not acceptable, as it appears to be a promotional name. You are welcome to change the name (or more easily, abandon the account and create a new one); but if your purpose here is to promote yourself rather than to improve the encyclopaedia but, then you will save yourself and everybody else much time and effort if you stop trying. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Chrismccoymusic: See also Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Scam warning. GoingBatty (talk) 04:47, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
password reset
[edit]I forgot my password to get into my wikipedia account. I have tried to click the reset button like 3 times and no email has been sent so far and its been about an hour since I tried the first time. I was logged in on my phone and tried to figure out how to change my password from there but couldnt figure it out. Unfortunately, I needed to create this account for a class so I cant just abandon it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.142.86.18 (talk) 18:15, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hello. Have you checked your spam folder? Or have you changed your email address since you created the account? If the latter, then I'm afraid your account is irrecoverable. However, don't lose heart: you can indeed create a new account. I'm guessing that you were working in a user sandbox (otherwise there is no connection whatever between the account and whatever you were working on with it)? You can edit that sandbox from a different account.
- So, suppose your old account is called "Myname". Then you can create a new account called, say "Myname new". It would be a good idea to create a user page for the new account, User:Myname new, and put a message on it that you are the same person as the lost account "Myname". If you were working on a sandbox under the old account, you can find it on User:Myname/sandbox. Or if you can't remember what you were working on, you can go to Special:contributions/Myname, and will give you a list of all edits you made with that account. (Of course you need to substitute the actual old and new account names in those links. --ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
I published a draft this afternoon which had general references in it. The new page reviewer moved the page back to draft for the reason that it had general references in it (as well as inline citations). Although I don't believe that having general references in a stub article is wrong, I have removed them for the sake of argument and republished the page. Now the page says it was created by the reviewer who unpublished it instead of me. How can I correct this please? There is no need to move a page out of main space just because it has general references in it and a reviewer doesn't like that, it is no reason to un-publish the page, but what is done is done. Can these page reviewers not be given some training? The reason given on my talk page about why the page was unpublished was also totally inappropriate. Amirah talk 18:15, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @AmirahBreen: Tauqir Sharif has a different creator because it was created as a redirect when AngusWOOF moved the page to Draft:Tauqir Sharif. You should add your changes to the draft page instead and go through the Articles for Creation process. Published articles may be subject to deletion if the notability of the subject is challenged, while draft articles have more leeway in that regard and allow editors more time to establish notability. clpo13(talk) 18:33, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- There is no question of notability. There is more than enough reliable independent news coverage of his aid work, of his citizenship deprivation and also of his arrest, detention and torture by HTS for notability on all these. Amirah talk 18:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Which three of the sources cited, in your opinion, do most to establish the subject as notable? Those based on interviews with the subject, his colleagues, and his family members, won't count, as they are not independent. Nor will those that mention his name and who he is, but lack in-depth discussion of him. Maproom (talk) 18:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- AmirahBreen, you put multiple reference sections in that article. After those are removed, there are just a bunch of short statements saying he participated in some events, was one of either 700 people, 20 people or a handful of people in some flotilla event. It didn't explain how that person is individually notable. This is why I moved it to draft so that can be cleaned up. But now you undid the redirect and there are now two articles, one in mainspace Tauqir Sharif and Draft:Tauqir Sharif.
- I recommend the draft be cultivated to rewrite and explain the bio in better detail and then with the abundance of references it should be able to be go back. But as it stands, the one in mainspace is a mess and is nowhere in any shape to be usable. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 18:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- There is no reason why the draft should not be published as it stands now as a stub. Amirah talk 18:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- What you have said is untrue. Just because he participated in the flotilla event and that is in his background that doesn't detract from the fact that he is individually notable due to his aid work in Syria, his citizenship deprivation, his arrest, detention and torture by HTS, any one of these three sections would show notability even on it's own. These are things which you have conveniently ignored, in preferences for saying that in the flotilla events in his background he was part of a group of people. Amirah talk 19:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- As I have said above, notability is not about which sources are cited in the article. A subject if notable if sources exist, whether or not they are currently cited. Amirah talk 18:47, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- If you want three sources which are currently in the article I would say these three
- https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/british-aid-worker-tauqir-sharif-released-hts
- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47420105
- https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/british-aid-worker-tauqir-sharif-released-hts
- but it is not about these three sources, it is the fact that the subject of this article is without doubt already notable and there should be no reason why the article couldn't be published in it's present state as a stub. Amirah talk 18:56, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- It needs to be explained better how he was involved in these events. I don't see him listed in List of participants of the Gaza flotilla, so which flotilla was he on? Road to Hope? You need to rewrite his biography and be more clear as to how he was involved. He was one of ~700 folks on the flotilla? He was on another flotilla? Same story with the imprisonments / kidnappings. What was he doing, how and for what reasons was he kidnapped, what was the negotiations that the groups did, and how was he released (voluntarily by group, or through some kind of deal, or escaped) What kind of aid work does he do? Move supplies? Provide medicine? Social work? Lead particular organisation branches or overall organisations? Again, this is why I suggest fleshing it out in draft. The references can support it afterwards. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- This article is a stub. I see no reason why it should not be published as a stub. Yes, those things can be expanded upon either before or after the article is published. Please tell me why this article cannot be published now as a stub? Amirah talk 19:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @Theroadislong: who is also scrubbing the draft. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:12, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Our edits to improve the layout per WP:MOS were all reverted. Theroadislong (talk) 19:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Please explain your edits on the draft talk page. How and why are they per WP:MOS. If it is true that they are then you cannot expect any editor to improve simply by running roughshod over their work. Amirah talk 19:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- We are all volunteers here. The objective of Theroadislong and others is to improve the draft enough to make it acceptable as an article; they have no duty to explain in detail why each edit is an improvement. If you want to improve your editing skills, read WP:MOS and WP:N. As for the three sources you list above as best establishing the subject's notability: the first is based on statements by members of his family, and so not independent; the second establishes that the UK government has revoked his UK citizenship, but such revocation is, sadly, not unusual and does not make the victim notable; the third is a duplicate of the first. If you want to establish that he's notable, you'll need to find better sources than those. Simply writing "the subject of this article is without doubt already notable" won't convince anyone; we need evidence. Maproom (talk) 08:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- However this reference http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/british-tauqir-sharif-idlib-aid-worker-rearrested-hts does, in my opinion, count towards establishing notability. Maproom (talk) 14:26, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- We are all volunteers here. The objective of Theroadislong and others is to improve the draft enough to make it acceptable as an article; they have no duty to explain in detail why each edit is an improvement. If you want to improve your editing skills, read WP:MOS and WP:N. As for the three sources you list above as best establishing the subject's notability: the first is based on statements by members of his family, and so not independent; the second establishes that the UK government has revoked his UK citizenship, but such revocation is, sadly, not unusual and does not make the victim notable; the third is a duplicate of the first. If you want to establish that he's notable, you'll need to find better sources than those. Simply writing "the subject of this article is without doubt already notable" won't convince anyone; we need evidence. Maproom (talk) 08:34, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- Please explain your edits on the draft talk page. How and why are they per WP:MOS. If it is true that they are then you cannot expect any editor to improve simply by running roughshod over their work. Amirah talk 19:57, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Our edits to improve the layout per WP:MOS were all reverted. Theroadislong (talk) 19:51, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- It needs to be explained better how he was involved in these events. I don't see him listed in List of participants of the Gaza flotilla, so which flotilla was he on? Road to Hope? You need to rewrite his biography and be more clear as to how he was involved. He was one of ~700 folks on the flotilla? He was on another flotilla? Same story with the imprisonments / kidnappings. What was he doing, how and for what reasons was he kidnapped, what was the negotiations that the groups did, and how was he released (voluntarily by group, or through some kind of deal, or escaped) What kind of aid work does he do? Move supplies? Provide medicine? Social work? Lead particular organisation branches or overall organisations? Again, this is why I suggest fleshing it out in draft. The references can support it afterwards. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 19:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Which three of the sources cited, in your opinion, do most to establish the subject as notable? Those based on interviews with the subject, his colleagues, and his family members, won't count, as they are not independent. Nor will those that mention his name and who he is, but lack in-depth discussion of him. Maproom (talk) 18:44, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- There is no question of notability. There is more than enough reliable independent news coverage of his aid work, of his citizenship deprivation and also of his arrest, detention and torture by HTS for notability on all these. Amirah talk 18:37, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Blocking or muting a user
[edit]How do I mute/block a user on Wikipedia? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 21:55, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a social media site. We don't have any provisions for "blocking" or "muting" other editors. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:59, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- @TheAlienMan2002: You can mute mentions (also called pings) from certain users in the notification tab of your user preferences or disable mentions entirely (see mw:Help:Notifications for details). However, there's no way to prevent a particular user from leaving messages on your talk page or to block them from interacting with you elsewhere on the site. clpo13(talk) 22:03, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not a technical way to. You can demand a given user no longer post on your talk page, and if they refuse to heed it an admin can block them for it. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 22:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think an admin would block someone for violating an unofficial interaction ban laid out by a brand new editor for no reason at all, especially since the only person to have contacted TheAlienMan2002 was warning them about their article edits, all three of which appear to be vandalism. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 22:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Not a technical way to. You can demand a given user no longer post on your talk page, and if they refuse to heed it an admin can block them for it. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 22:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
It would really help with the vandalism on talk pages, but thanks. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:32, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
wiki
[edit]https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Electromagnetic_radiation https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Duopoly https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.74.237 (talk) 22:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Hi. What is your question? RudolfRed (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)