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August 15

Past edit summaries starting to appear when you start typing

Say I wanted to add the edit summary- Needs a WP:RS. If I start typing N..e.. etc etc past edit summaries of mine starting the same way would appear beneath the ES box.

This used to happen whenever I edited WP but some time back it stopped. Now I have to type the whole edit summary. Was there a cause for this change and is there a fix?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:31, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

This is I believe just the browser's autocomplete. Did you recently change browsers? It should remember the ones you're writing now. – Thjarkur (talk) 00:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Also, I think having to do a system backup on the device you're using would clear that log, It's happened to me in the past. - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 00:48, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

My browser has been firefox for a long time. I fixed the the problem. Thank you for the help....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:02, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Yep, :P - FlightTime Phone (open channel) 01:07, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

adding a citation

I added a sentence to Grand Army of the Republic. To add the citation for this I wrote Camp-Fire Chats [20] because there were already 19 citations. My format wasn't right but someone corrected it and changed it to [7] because of its location I guess. I wonder how to format it correctly. Also, the book I referred to is a copy I have from 1888. However, I noticed that the other references all had internet links, so I found one online, although it is a different edition from the one I have. The editor also changed the publisher to the one I retrieved, not the one I referred to in my sentence. Joe Vignos — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nimishillen (talk • contribs) 03:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Nimishillen: A guide to adding references is at WP:REFB. Sources do not have to be online. A list of templates to use when adding sources can be found at WP:CITET. Refs should be placed inline at the point in the text to which they refer. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 04:15, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

To check about reliability of a website

Is 'Forbes' website independent and reliable ? I read the article about reliability of any website on "Wikipedia:Reliability of Reference" but I couldn't understand anything. So, I need help from you all. Please! give your comments. Thank you. (223.230.143.123 (talk) 11:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC))

See WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Forbes. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• I couldn't find name of a news website "The Economic Times" and name of one e-magazine called "The International Indian" at WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources.Are these website not independent and reliable? Please! anyone comment on this.

Thank you. (223.230.143.123 (talk) 12:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC))

I would say The Economic Times is probably generally reliable (whether or not any source is reliable always depends on the specific context). I'm not sure about The International Indian. Perhaps Sitush can help? Sitush is very aquainted with sources in and about India. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 13:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I have never heard of The International Indian but The Economic Times can be ok, although you do have to be aware that there is a lot of paid-for editorial in Indian newspapers and also a phenomenal amount of plagiarism. It would probably be best to ask on the talk page of the specific article for which you want to use these sources. - Sitush (talk) 15:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

That page is (as it says at the top of the page) "a list of sources whose reliability and use on Wikipedia are frequently discussed". - David Biddulph (talk) 13:33, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

submitting a suggested article

Hello, I've done a search and can't find a subject I think would be notable to include on Wikipedia. They are a client of mine. I have written up some copy and sourced references but i'll admit I'm a bit confused what do next. I haven't edited on Wikipedia before, but conscious this will probably involve a conflict of interest. Is there a way of submitting the article for review if another editor would like to include?

thanks Vicky — Preceding unsigned comment added by VickyBevic (talk • contribs) 12:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

VickyBevic You may use Articles for Creation to submit a draft, but you will first need to formally comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policy(the latter is a Terms of Use requirement). You should also review the notability criteria written at WP:BIO. 331dot (talk) 12:23, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Vicky. Thank you for asking, rather than just plunging into it. Creating a new article and getting it accepted is one of the hardest tasks on Wikipedia, and I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months improving existing articles (heaven knows we have enough articles that need it!) before they try it. If the subject is a client of yours, that makes it much harder, because it is likely to be hard for you to write in the required neutral way. Nevertheless, you are not forbidden to try, and I would strongly advise you in any to use the articles for creation process, which involves a review before the draft is moved into article space. If you are going to proceed with this, you must read about conflict of interest, and make the declarations that are required for a Paid editor; then you would do well to read your first article. One thing to bear in mind is that Wikipedia articles are for the benefit of Wikipedia (and hence for all readers in the world) and not for anybody or anything else. If there is even a hint in your mind that you are writing an article for the benefit of or on behalf of somebody or something other than Wikipedia itself, you are doing it wrong - and if you are paid by a client, there probably is such a hint in your mind. That is why we speak of Conflict of Interest, and advise great caution. --ColinFine (talk) 12:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback ColinFine and 331dot ! I appreciate the neutrality and value for the community. I'll read the articles suggested, and get my head around the codes/formats of edits, and hopefully submit something that can be reviewed :)

A biography page for my father

Hi, I want to create a Wikipedia page for my father who was an important political figure in Angola, Africa. How do I start and what are the requirements? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joaniha5 (talk • contribs) 12:25, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Notability (people), WP:Your first article, and WP:conflict of interest. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Help missed

Nobody help me on my previous request? --5.169.191.12 (talk) 13:08, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Please identify your earlier post... this is the only edit showing in the contributions from the IP address used. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:13, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

ThisThis. --5.169.191.12 (talk) 13:17, 15 August 2019 (UTC) Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:09, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for the lack of response, probably no one who saw the request was knowledgable about N'Ko character input. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:21, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Tom Brown (end)

What does "end" mean in this context? And is it something the general reader should be expected to understand? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Nvrmnd, I see it now. Still, not obvious to a non-fan. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I have added another sentence to the body of the article in the hope of making the link to End (gridiron football) easier to spot. TSventon (talk) 15:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Relist?

I know we haven’t reached one week yet (the usual amount of time before an RfD is relisted) But I wanted to ask ahead of time, when the time comes, can this redirect be relisted? [1] James-the-Charizard (talk) 16:47, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Please response

I have posted request on talk page of Dr. Shamsheer to add some important information in the article. Two days passed, yet no any response given. Please! anyone tell me how long will it take to get answered. Thank you. (223.230.143.123 (talk) 16:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC))

The article does not need to contain details of every donation that Vayalil makes. This could be considered WP:UNDUE. Only the most significant might be considered worthy of inclusion.

On another note, you have been editing now for 3 or 4 months from at least 20 different IP addresses and all of your edits are to, or about, Shamsheer Viyalil. Please clarify your interest in the subject; do you have a connection? If so you should read WP:COI and make the necessary declarations. Do you work for him or one of his business interest? If so, even if 'unpaid' you *must* read WP:PAID (this is not optional). In any event Wikipedia can have doubts about single purpose accounts or editors and in view of the amount of demands you have made upon other editors, I think an explanation would be welcome. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:14, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• About seven months ago I read about Dr. Shamsheer Vayalil's philanthropy and his success in a famous newspaper. From that day only I got very inspired from him. Then I searched about him on google and read about him on wikipedia, there I found that many important informations about him were not indicated in the article. So, I decided that I will collect important informations related to him from different sources and get it added in the article. I don't work for him nor I am paid for this work. It's all about my dedication towards him. I don't know that my dedication towards improving his article is wrong or right.Hope you will guide me towards right path"Eagleash".

Thank you. (223.230.143.123 (talk) 18:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC))

You have made a duplicate request at the Teahouse, which has been answered. Please only ask the same question in ONE venue.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:00, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• No! I didn't make any request at Teahouse. I only make request on talk page of the article or on the help desk.

Thank you. (223.230.143.123 (talk) 01:48, 16 August 2019 (UTC))

Reason explained

• The request which I posted on Dr. Shamsheer' talk page is very important.

1) The request for philanthropy part is important because at present in India 🇮🇳 "Swaach Bharat Abhiyan" is going on and Dr. Shamsheer's donation(10 million) for this initiative is very appreciable. So, this should be indicated in the article. 2) The request for business part is important because he had spent 1000 crore for acquisition of various projects in India. 3) Dr. Shamsheer has entered in race to buy a part of "Fortis" Healthcare. I think this is quite enough to explain about the request which I posted on talk page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.230.143.123 (talk) 06:45, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Impossible to add URL as "External Link

Hello,

I tried to add an external link on this page: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Financial_inclusion

The link is totally legit (www.cgap dot org) as he provides relevant content for the page in question but it is refused with this message: The text you want to save has been blocked by the spam filter . This is probably due to a link to an external blacklisted site. The following is what triggered our spam filter: cgap.org

Can anyone help me to solve this problem?

Thanks for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noel92140 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Noel92140, this site is on the blacklist as the group had tried to promote themselves here for years, see MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/November_2012#CGAP.org. You should be able to find other sources to cite. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Using a dagger for a footnote or external link

Is it ever appropriate to do this, as this page does? (Edit: Sorry that I forgot to say please.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:06, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Thylacine24: Can you please clarify what you mean by using a dagger? I'm not seeing it. RudolfRed (talk) 19:09, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I linked to the wrong page, and was in the process of editing it when you replied. I meant this page. Sorry. (Edit: Also sorry that I was accusatory about mentioning that I was editing it when you replied.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:10, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I’ve never seen one of those cross symbols. I don’t think it should be there. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 19:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I've changed it to a footnote labelled "JPL". (Sorry to have this in a separate comment from the one where I thanked you.)--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

The guidance on Template:JPL used in Samara River has examples of how to use the template which are clearer than using †, so I think you could change † in this case. I am not aware of any general policy on †. TSventon (talk) 19:38, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.--Thylacine24 (talk) 21:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I've changed the dagger to a numbered footnote. (Sorry to not do this earlier and bring it up in the comment where I said "Thanks.")--Thylacine24 (talk) 22:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

How to update the seal of York County Maine

the seal of york county Maine has changed in color from blue to green but i cannot figue out how to change the logo the links are New seal https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8284f2_d2256e9052084abfb12404ecece8df23.png_srz_124_124_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_png_srz

Old seal that is currantly on the article https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/File:York_County_me_seal.jpg how to fix it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.217.188 (talk) 19:49, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

I've uploaded the new seal as a newer version of the old image at Commons, and it is now showing in the article. I reduced the resolution considerably, but the green seal is still a bit higher resolution than the old blue seal which was very low-res. Should I reduce it further? Also, I've forgotten how to make the background transparent, but I made it white so that it doesn't show in the article. Dbfirs 09:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Caption Clarification/Correction - Knesses_Yisrael_Yeshiva_Hebron.jpg

Yesterday I left a note at File talk:Knesses Yisrael Yeshiva Hebron.jpg saying "Since the yeshiva was founded 1924, to what does the 1911 in this photo's description refer?"

There was some kind of Wiki feedback about what if the uploader isn't watching

(which I'd like to return to, but there is no obvious way to get back to the Wiki advisory). Rather than just leave it at that, what else can I do? I'm aware of the Be-Bold concept, but . . . I've never yet changed a caption. Pi314m (talk) 20:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Maybe the 1911 refers to the building and 1924 refers to the group. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

The website listed as the source for the photo states that the photograph dates from 1911. Wikipedia is based on its sources. It might not be worth your while to take up the issue with the website's owner, even though the photo date seems illogical. Wikpedia is not always right; neither are its sources. If the date appears in an article's photo caption, feel free to remove it. Changing a caption is not difficult; it lies in the text of the relevant article section. Be careful not to change the filename when changing the caption.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

/* Progress */ Project to reinstate the Cathedral

proposed content belongs on the article's talk page

Hello I would like to update this section of the page. I would like to say: "There is a project underway [insert link to project page] to reinstate the Cathedral. On 22 August 2018, an agreement was signed that established a new entity, Christ Church Cathedral Reinstatement Limited, a charitable company, to reinstate Christ Church Cathedral." [1] However, I cannot find a place other than the actual reinstatement project page [2] that explains what is involved in the project. It is the only source of truth. I tried to add this two days ago but it was deleted on the basis it might not have been factual and might have been biased. How can I get around that, given there is no other place the information is available? Thanks.Berrygirl1972 (talk) 22:22, 15 August 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berrygirl1972 (talk • contribs) (This is regarding the ChristChurch Cathedral). Berrygirl1972, has this matter not been discussed in local newspapers? – Thjarkur (talk) 22:37, 15 August 2019 (UTC) ~Hi Pjarkur, Yes it has, but not the details. The media provides very limited information. If the best I can do is refer to media then that's what I'll do, but it seems very unreasonable that the website that provides the factual, detailed information is not able to be included and only very basic media information is considered ok. To my mind media is not unbiased at all, but that's another conversation. Berrygirl1972 (talk) 22:52, 15 August 2019 (UTC) Berrygirl1972, I believe it can still be helpful in order to summarize and to show that the matter has gotten some local attention. (Newspapers do of course get many details wrong). The section you added is a bit too detailed. Could you maybe post some newspaper articles on the article's talk page? I'll see if I can help. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:27, 15 August 2019 (UTC) Ok, so how about this proposed content? FYI, User:Schwede66 has also been helping me, thank you to you both. Project to reinstate the Cathedral On 22 August 2018, an agreement was signed that established a new entity, Christ Church Cathedral Reinstatement Limited, a charitable company, to reinstate Christ Church Cathedral. Reinstatement is a combination of repair, restoration, reconstruction and seismic strengthening. The reinstated Cathedral will be similar in appearance to the original, Gothic revival building with a commitment to retain much of the original design and many of the heritage features. It will also be much safer, built with a high level of seismic strength, with an upgraded, base isolated foundation to help protect against future earthquakes. Berrygirl1972 (talk) 23:35, 15 August 2019 (UTC) References

@Berrygirl1972: It's much better to discuss these issues on the subject article's talk page. Schwede66 00:29, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Finding an article's title history

The move log only shows me when an article was moved from a given title, however I don't seem to be able to see all the previous titles a given article ID has had. Take for example Voßstraße which has lived under at least 6 different titles (3 of which are shown in that log). How can I see the move history for this article, not just moves from this title? The only "solution" I've found is to search for "Moved" in the edit history. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:03, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

There's really no other way except the solution you're using. I think you can also search the move logs of all the old titles. Phab:T10731 sought to provide solution to that, but no progress for years. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

In the further reading section at the bottom of the page - I added a 2018 published book by S. de Vries called "Royal Marriages: Diana, Camilla, Kate & Meghan and princesses who did not live happily ever after".

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=pZlxDwAAQBAJ&dq=princess+baroness+duchess+cambridge+airedale&source=gbs_navlinks_s

But it is all wrong. Please fix and I am sorry. 2001:8003:D9A2:5502:25C4:94F5:3027:DFCD (talk) 23:29, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

In the further reading section there is another work (Kelly's) which shows how to format these sort of links in an effective manner. Use that as an example and format yours in the same way. It may be pertinent to show the relevance to the Wikipedia article. Eagleash (talk) 03:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

please help I cannot do it on this phone thanks175.33.248.139 (talk) 03:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

•  Fixed (by the OP) Eagleash (talk) 10:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

SOLVED: Is anyone up to the job of helping me update our page on downtime?

Wikipedia:Downtime is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference. I think it would be worthwhile to revive it. Does anyone know where I can find the information I would need to do that? My impression is that in recent years we have only had brief planned downtime while various upgrades are made, but I would like to see a page documenting the great job the server wranglers are doing. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:30, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Some metrics are available on Grafana although I don't know how to parse this data. I guess we could ask the developers to share some of their logs and post-mortems, or at least encourage them to start blogging about them again. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:30, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. That link was helpful. I also found this: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incident_documentation

I think I have enough to update the page, but it will tale some time to tease out the outages from the other stuff. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)