Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Vivian Malone
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- Reason
- While one might ask for better composition, as a document of a unique historical event, methinks this image passes the requirements.
- Articles in which this image appears
- In no particular order: Foster Auditorium, History of the University of Alabama, Racism, Stand in the Schoolhouse Door, Vivian Malone Jones
- FP category for this image
- Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History/USA History
- Creator
- Warren K. Leffler, restored by Adam Cuerden
- Support as nominator – Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Support important piece of Black history. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Comment – A historic moment, certainly, but I'd rather see a shot showing at least some of Ms. Malone's face. And contrast issues here lessen EV. Sca (talk) 15:04, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Sca: Even if that was free-licensed, it wouldn't illustrate the Stand in the Schoolhouse Door. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Copyright issue is understood, of course. I'm not saying the pic shouldn't be used at all, just that it doesn't seem quite up to FP/Main Page standards of clarity and EV.
- Re "the stand," I don't see George Corley Wallace here. Sca (talk)
- PS: I didn't know that Ms. Malone (Mrs. Jones) was Eric Holder's sister-in-law. Sca (talk) 15:21, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- PPS: – Look at the size of the tape recorder used by the (radio?) guy, far right! Sca (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Looks like a Swiss Nagra, the best tape recorder in the world at that time... --Janke | Talk 18:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Wallace is just left of Katzenbach, I believe, partially hidden by Katzenbach's left shoulder. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know absolutely, of course, but I don't think so. I remember Wallace quite well from the Civil Rights era (and the 1968 election), and back then he always wore his hair drenched in Vitalis or some such and slicked back, 1950s U.S. style. This guy's hair is shorter, combed differently and not greasy. Sca (talk) 17:51, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Sca, issue with the suggested image (aside from copyright) is the fact that she's clearly leaving the building. The image would have much lower EV at Stand in the Schoolhouse Door (which is where this image has the most EV). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:14, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Chris, agreed. I wasn't proposing the referenced image even as a type of alternative, just linking it as an example of a photo showing her face. Sca (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- I agree it's not a perfect photo, but we generally make reasonable exceptions in the face of historically important photographs, and I think this one has reasonable cause for consideration under those exceptions. It gives a feel of the event very well, even the flaws arguably highlight the chaotic nature of it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- To my mind that's a fine argument for using it at Stand in the Schoolhouse Door. But to each his own – let the chips fall.... Sca (talk) 18:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- I agree it's not a perfect photo, but we generally make reasonable exceptions in the face of historically important photographs, and I think this one has reasonable cause for consideration under those exceptions. It gives a feel of the event very well, even the flaws arguably highlight the chaotic nature of it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Chris, agreed. I wasn't proposing the referenced image even as a type of alternative, just linking it as an example of a photo showing her face. Sca (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Wallace is just left of Katzenbach, I believe, partially hidden by Katzenbach's left shoulder. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:57, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Looks like a Swiss Nagra, the best tape recorder in the world at that time... --Janke | Talk 18:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- PPS: – Look at the size of the tape recorder used by the (radio?) guy, far right! Sca (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- PS: I didn't know that Ms. Malone (Mrs. Jones) was Eric Holder's sister-in-law. Sca (talk) 15:21, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose Awkward composition, main persons either not in picture or shown almost from the back. With all those photographers there, there surely are better photos of this incident? --Janke | Talk 18:39, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
- Support – It shows a historic moment well. This has all the elements: the door she was forbidden to enter, law officer, deputy attorney general, the escort, the media. The significance of the moment is in the story, not the individuals or her face, this image tells the story well. (Wallace had left and wasn't around for this shot [1]) Bammesk (talk) 02:32, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- Support – I hear the objections, but think the array of press is rather interesting in contrast to Malone's obscured face. A civil rights pioneer, yes, but she was also a symbol. The photograph both returns her to anonymity while instructing us that the historic struggle was bigger than hers alone. Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 03:33, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- Support – I agree with Bammesk that "it shows a historic moment well". I think it's a good photo in general, too. I don't understand why there is no image of Vivian Malone (showing her face) in the article Vivian Malone Jones. Corinne (talk) 23:50, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Corinne: Going to guess that no-one's tried to fair use one yet. Mind you, they seem relatively rare (at least at any reasonable size). Adam Cuerden (talk) 08:48, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- I did notice that. Sca (talk) 17:37, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Support – Jobas (talk) 14:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Promoted File:Vivian Malone registering.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 12:30, 24 January 2016 (UTC)