Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/30 Rock season 1/archive1
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- Notified: Jamie jca, WikiProject Television
Unfortunately I feel that several older 30 Rock items are failing modern standards. I am beginning here as I feel it is a clear cut example. I am nominating this for featured list removal because I feel that it fails criterias 3 and 5. It lacks a development section as detailed in MOS:TVPRODUCTION. The awards section features no prose and points to a separate list which covers other content in addition to season one. Adtionally neither a caption nor alt text is provided when needed. Lastly a possible style problem with the relevent episodes not being linked in the cast section. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Remove I've said a time or two that most season articles should actually be a process for WP:FAC and not FLC. I do understand that a large majority of these are were promoted quite a while ago, and that in recent times, they gone through the proper channels, but I also wouldn't be against a mass exodus of these articles as FL's. They tend to follow the format of a standard article more that of a list. Anyhow, within this "list" specifically: as the initial commenter stated, I'm largely noticing a lack of compliance with MOS:TV in the case of article layout, listing the number of episodes characters appeared in, and poorly written episode summaries that feel more like promotional taglines than they do summaries. There's also just a few general MOS failures, such as WP:BLUESEA violations and the use of {{Quote box}}. I'd be more inclined to leave a full review if I see progress being made here. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... potential hot take but I don't see any major issues. Sourcing seems fine, so I'm assuming the nomination is discussing FLCR #3(a) more than 3(b), and 3(a) is focused on including all key items in the set the list covers (which this does – it lists all of the episodes). A production section would be nice, but I don't interpret MOS:TVPRODUCTION as requiring one and I suspect a large portion of the information would just reiterate the cast and crew sections. An awards section that would just duplicate information from the show's full list of awards may not be necessary, either – just a few sentences added to cover its major awards (Emmys, Golden Globes, major guilds...). As to FLCR #5, I think the only issue mentioned is the images per 5(b) and 5(c), which can be easily addressed. Basically, I think the page does its job as a list. Whether season articles should be considered as lists or articles is a bit out of scope for this, at least to me. Please correct me if I've misunderstood the issues raised in the nomination. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant: Would you mind clarifying a bit? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, a few sentences would be preferable over nothing for the awards. If you look at it as List of episodes it fits the requirements, but its more than a list of episodes. Future devolopement have raised the bar for what a season article should be and this list no longer meets those standereds. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just pinging you because it was a while between your reply and the above and I wanted to make sure you saw it @RunningTiger123. Hey man im josh (talk) 09:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, thanks for the ping. I think a lot of the issues stem from the issue of seasons being split between GA/FA and FL, and while I'm fine with removing this FL if the consensus is that standards have increased, I think we're going to need a wider discussion about what season articles should include (i.e., are they primarily lists or articles?). RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- @RunningTiger123: I agree that it's something that may need to be more ironed out, as there's also a similar issue with seasons of The Office. Perhaps this is a discussion that should be held at a wider location to determine whether season articles are better classified as lists or articles. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- For anyone interested, I started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Featured lists#FLs for television seasons on this topic. RunningTiger123 (talk) 19:47, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- @RunningTiger123: I agree that it's something that may need to be more ironed out, as there's also a similar issue with seasons of The Office. Perhaps this is a discussion that should be held at a wider location to determine whether season articles are better classified as lists or articles. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, thanks for the ping. I think a lot of the issues stem from the issue of seasons being split between GA/FA and FL, and while I'm fine with removing this FL if the consensus is that standards have increased, I think we're going to need a wider discussion about what season articles should include (i.e., are they primarily lists or articles?). RunningTiger123 (talk) 20:32, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just pinging you because it was a while between your reply and the above and I wanted to make sure you saw it @RunningTiger123. Hey man im josh (talk) 09:02, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, a few sentences would be preferable over nothing for the awards. If you look at it as List of episodes it fits the requirements, but its more than a list of episodes. Future devolopement have raised the bar for what a season article should be and this list no longer meets those standereds. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 15:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant: Would you mind clarifying a bit? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:12, 3 September 2024 (UTC)