Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Packers Heritage Trail/archive1

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Packers Heritage Trail

Featured list candidates/Packers Heritage Trail/archive1

Nominator(s): « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I got to walk some of this trail and get some photos, it was awesome as a Packers fan and history buff. Hope you enjoy! As always, happy to address any concerns or issues promtly. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:31, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Packers are linked in both of the first two sentences - no need for the second
- The first link is to History of the Green Bay Packers and the second link is to Green Bay Packers. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nowhere does the lead state who/what the Green Bay Packers are i.e. an American football team
- Added. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"All of the 25 sites have bronze commemorative plaques that connect the history of the site" - not sure what you mean by "connect the history of the site". Do you mean something like "relate to the history of the site".....?
- Reworded. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"the plaque for Lombardi's home and the plaque for Lambeau's gravesite is located" - two plaques are mentioned so the verb should be plural
- Reworded. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the table, some of the entries in the "site" column are randomly centre-aligned
- Fixed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's it, I think -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:30, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review ChrisTheDude! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:04, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- ChrisTheDude, was there anything else I can address? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not based on the above, but I thought I'd just hang fire and see how the discussion below about including rationales (for want of a better term) went..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:49, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

The table needs to tell me why these sites are relevant. What is special about this church? What happened at the ballroom? Etc. Reywas92^Talk 14:25, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Reywas92, the sources don't provide this information. The only place I could get this information is my physically visiting each plaque or by purchasing Christl's book, which unfortunately isn't available on Amazon.com. You could maybe make the case that I could just do some standalone research and infer why each one is significant to the Packers, but imho that pushes OR a bit too much (I would be inferring why each site was placed on the trail). I am just providing what is currently available via sources. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:28, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[2] and [3] have images of the plaques. Citing these or the plaques directly would not be OR. Reywas92^Talk 16:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm struggling with the size of the table. Would a new section of text explaining the sites be agreeable to you? Maybe expand the last paragraph of the lead? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think all the sites should have a blurb even if only a few words, so that's better in the table than a paragraph. It's not that big a table – or perhaps the coordinates could be moved under the addresses. Reywas92^Talk 13:49, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will get to this in the next few days Reywas92. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reywas92, I have completed the above. Please let me know if you have any other comments or concerns. Appreciate the recommendation. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding the descriptions. I made a couple small edits. The plaque location and significance columns don't need to be sortable. I'd also suggest either merging the plaque location into the address column or the coordinates into either of those, but it's not a must-do. Otherwise support. Reywas92^Talk 14:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Reywas92, thank you for your support. I made the columns unsortable. I'll keep looking at the possibility of merging columns. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh

Source review: Passed

Reliable enough for the information being cited
Consistent date formatting
Consistent and proper reference formatting
Appropriate wikilinks where applicable
Spot checks on 15 sources match what they are being cited for

Feedback:

Consider adding the {{Use mdy dates|August 2024}} template to the top of the article under the short description in case anybody else adds references later on and they are not as careful as you've been
- Done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why is the first item in the list not numbered? It also does not have a row scope
- It is not numbered in the source. The Plaza is not a heritage site, rather it is the commemorative "summary" of the Trail.
Quite a few sites are not actually proper names and should not be capitalized in the "site" column, please work to convert some of these to sentence case. "Vince Lombardi's Home" for example should be lowercase.
- I am matching the source here. Seeing as they are formal titles of heritage sites along the trail, I am not sure what takes precedence. Thoughts? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Current item #18, Packers Practice Fields doesn't have an address, just a street, in the table, but the source shows an address
- Fixed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same as the above, but for item #21 (Indian and Acme Packing Plants)
- Fixed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Using your regular reference formatting, shouldn't "GoPressTimes.com", a newspaper, be formatted as "The Press Times" instead? I recognize they don't have an article, at least that I could find, but this would match your typical formatting
- Fixed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please ping me when the above issues have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Responded above Hey man im josh. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 18:37, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gonzo fan2007:

Perhaps we can consider a footnote or something for the number column? Or rename it to site number or something similar?
I am matching the source here. Seeing as they are formal titles of heritage sites along the trail, I am not sure what takes precedence. – My understanding, and I'd love to be corrected if I am wrong, is that we would try to lowercase where appropriate when promoting to FA or FL.

I think those are the last two things to iron out :) Hey man im josh (talk) 18:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I changed it to "Site #" and lower cased the ones that were more descriptive titles. Let me know if that works Hey man im josh. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:12, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:01, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh, I just wanted to let you know that I have added a few sources since you completed the source review. Not sure if you want to reconfirm the source review or not. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me still, no issues. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:11, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EN-Jungwon

"relating to the history of the Green Bay Packers, an American football in the National Football League (NFL)". Is this meant to say an American football team
There is a stray curly bracket in the table "17}"

-- EN-Jungwon 11:18, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- EN-Jungwon, fixed both. Thanks! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 16:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Support -- EN-Jungwon 00:51, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:17, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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